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BS: Israel condemned by UN

Stringsinger 01 Feb 13 - 03:48 PM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Feb 13 - 03:58 PM
Ed T 01 Feb 13 - 04:09 PM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Feb 13 - 04:15 PM
GUEST,999 01 Feb 13 - 04:17 PM
pdq 01 Feb 13 - 05:12 PM
Jim McLean 01 Feb 13 - 05:13 PM
Little Hawk 01 Feb 13 - 07:57 PM
Peter K (Fionn) 01 Feb 13 - 08:03 PM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Feb 13 - 03:02 AM
GUEST,999 02 Feb 13 - 03:20 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Feb 13 - 04:19 AM
Jim McLean 02 Feb 13 - 10:42 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Feb 13 - 11:50 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Feb 13 - 07:01 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 Feb 13 - 07:14 AM
bobad 03 Feb 13 - 09:50 AM
GUEST 03 Feb 13 - 01:43 PM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Feb 13 - 02:57 AM
GUEST,kendall 04 Feb 13 - 03:44 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 04 Feb 13 - 08:04 AM
kendall 04 Feb 13 - 08:26 AM
beardedbruce 04 Feb 13 - 08:29 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Feb 13 - 09:17 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Feb 13 - 01:57 PM
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Subject: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Stringsinger
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 03:48 PM

Both the United Nations and Russia have condemned Israel for the bombing of Syria and Lebanon, hoping that Israel will be forced to appear at the International World Court.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 03:58 PM

UN has NOT condemned Israel
Russia has said it condemns it if Syria's version is true, which nobody believes.
This is what Hilary Clinton said,
In her final press interview as US Secretary of State, Mrs Clinton said one of Iran's "highest priorities" was keeping Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in power.

"We believe they have acted on that by sending in more personnel, not only to help Assad, but to support and advise military security forces," she told reporters.

Mrs Clinton added that Iran had increased the quality of its arms sent to Syria because "Assad is using up his weaponry".

She expressed similar concerns with regards to Russia's involvement in the conflict.

"We have reason to believe that the Russians continue to supply financial and military assistance in the form of equipment," she said


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 04:09 PM

Report from BBC a couple of days ago


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 04:15 PM

What is the " International World Court" Stringsinger?
Is Israel so evil that you just have to make things up?
Do you actually know anything about Israel?


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 04:17 PM

The Syrian Foreign Ministry, Walid al Muallem, has appealed to the United Nations to condemn the air strike by the Israeli Air Force.

Get your facts right for once, Frank.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: pdq
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 05:12 PM

"We have reason to believe that the Russians continue to supply financial and military assistance in the form of equipment," she said ~ The Hillary

"We have reason to believe?" That is so lame as to be pathetic.

Hillary is at the top of an inteligence pyramid that is the greatset the world has ever known. It includes information from the Isaeli intelligence and all of our allies, not just our people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim McLean
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 05:13 PM

The Israeli government is facing international condemnation for a proposal for 3,000 new settlements in the occupied West Bank and east Jerusalem.
Any criticism of Israel's Anschluss is immediately converted into accusations of antisemitism and nothing is done. Bullies eventually meet their nemesis so God, Allah or whatever help the Middle East because no one else will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 07:57 PM

Mussolini was once condemned by the League of Nations too...for attacking Ethiopia. The condemnation had no effect whatsoever on Italian policy, any moreso than present condemnations will have any effect on Israeli policy...which is indeed the Israeli Anschluss.

Fascists are simply not intimidated by international disapproval. When God is on your side and you are therefore a *very special and important* people with a very special destiny apart from all others, no form of outside disapproval causes intimidation...rather it causes a heady sense of offended righteousness, and a bold determination to pursue the established course of action, yea, harder than before, in order to achieve the Final Victory!


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 08:03 PM

Do you know anything about Syria, Keith?

Do you have a problem with Iran, or anyone else, trying to keep Bashar al-Asad in power? Do you support Israel's latest flouting of international law which, as you know perfectly well, is what the latest bombing adventure was, whether or not the UN condemns it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 03:02 AM

Do you ever look at the Syria thread?

No sensible person wants to see Syria's arsenal handed out to militant Islamists, as happened in Libya.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 03:20 AM

Nothing to say about Mali, but as soon as Israel is mentioned here they are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 04:19 AM

Syria is the greatest humanitarian catastrophe in the world today, and ordinary people and children killed in tens of thousands, but no interest here until the word "Israel" is mentioned.
Then straight in with disgusting Nazi comparisons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim McLean
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 10:42 AM

Mali isn't mentioned in the thread title; the discussion is about Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 11:50 AM

The comment was as true of Mali as it is about Syria.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Feb 13 - 07:01 AM

No further word from the OP to acknowledge that everything stated as fact in the OP is, in fact, made up, or to explain why 60 000 killings in Syria not committed by Israel passed him by unnoticed, but one targeted strike resulting in almost no loss of life provokes a dedicated thread.

Peter.
Israel's latest flouting of international law which, as you know perfectly well, is what the latest bombing adventure was

No, it was not.
A state of war exists between Israel and Syria, and a strike against a military convoy delivering advanced weaponry to terrorists is both legal and justified.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Feb 13 - 07:14 AM

""The comment was as true of Mali as it is about Syria.""

My, how your attitudes change!

YOU were the one who refused to discuss the illegal West Bank settlements in a thread about Gaza.

Now you bring Mali into a thread about Israel.

MAKE UP YOUR MIND! But do so even handedly, not according to your fanatical pro Israel bias.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 03 Feb 13 - 09:50 AM

Yep, here they come.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 13 - 01:43 PM

Israel stopped Assad, who has murdered tens of thousands of his own people, from transferring sophisticated weaponry, very possibly chemical and biological weapons, into the hands of terrorists.

I know that rankles the Strngsinger but I say THANK YOU ISRAEL for making the world just a little bit safer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 02:57 AM

Don, I did not discuss Mali, and neither did anyone else.
999 just made an observation that people (like you) were rushing to post on this thread but had no interest in the Mali thread (or the Syria thread).

Now that is cleared up, what is your opinion of the OP?


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 03:44 AM

If it is obvious that a man is going to punch me in the mouth, you can bet your ass I'm going to land one first.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 08:04 AM

I agree with that Kendall!

But you wouldn't shoot him and half a dozen of his neighbours, which is the level of "proportional" response normally to be expected from Israel. And you would make certain his intent was to do you violence, not some other person.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: kendall
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 08:26 AM

Don't over analyze my point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 08:29 AM

The transfer of weapons to Hezboallah is prohibited BY THE UN, in the ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon of some years back. Thus, ISRAEL is enforcing the UN treaty, and SYRIA is in violation of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 09:17 AM

Excellent point BB.
Don, there were very few casualties, so you are supporting Israel's action?


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 01:57 PM

One wonders how 'boy wonder' will explain this away!!
Jim Carroll

UN panel concludes Israeli settlement policy illegal under international law, should stop now
Published January 31, 2013
Associated Press
GENEVA – The United Nations' first report on the broad policy of Israeli settlements concluded Thursday that the government's practice of "creeping annexation" clearly violates the human rights of Palestinians, and called for the country to immediately stop the practice.
In its report to the 47-nation Human Rights Council, a panel of investigators said Israel is violating international humanitarian law under the Fourth Geneva Convention, one of the treaties that establish the ground rules for what is considered humane during wartime.
The Israeli government has persisted in settling Palestinian-occupied territorities, including East Jerusalem and the West Bank, "despite all the pertinent United Nations resolutions declaring that the existence of the settlements is illegal and calling for their cessation," the report said.
The settlements are "a mesh of construction and infrastructure leading to a creeping annexation that prevents the establishment of a contiguous and viable Palestinian State and undermines the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination," it concludes.
French judge Christine Chanet, who led the panel, said Israel never cooperated with the probe, which the council ordered last March. At a news conference, she called the report "a kind of weapon for the Palestinians" if they want to take up their grievances before The Hague-based International Criminal Court.
Another panel member, Pakistani lawyer Asma Janangir, said the settlements "seriously impinge on the self-determination of the Palestinian people," an offense under international humanitarian law.
The panel's report to the U.N.'s top human rights body immediately drew the condemnation of Israel, whose foreign ministry accused the council of taking a systematically one-sided and biased approach towards Israel, with the report being merely "another unfortunate reminder" of that bias.
"The only way to resolve all pending issues between Israel and the Palestinians, including the settlements issue, is through direct negotiations without pre-conditions," the ministry said. "Counterproductive measures — such as the report before us — will only hamper efforts to find a sustainable solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/31/un-panel-concludes-israeli-settlement-policy-illegal-under-international-law/#ixzz2JxSAeUMd

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/31/un-panel-concludes-israeli-settlement-policy-illegal-under-international-law/


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 02:13 PM

The anti Israel bias of the UN is well known and long standing, read about it here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 02:21 PM

From the Anti Defamation League:

"This resolution makes a mockery of human rights by focusing its efforts on bullying Israel while completely ignoring serious humanitarian violations across the world. It will only prove destructive by further exacerbating tensions between the Israelis and Palestinians."

"Of the 91 decisions made by the United Nations body since it was created three years ago, so far, 39 have singled out Israel for criticism, while only three votes have involved Syria, and one dealt with Iran."


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 02:23 PM

Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement:

The recent HRC report is another clear example of the body's institutionalized extreme anti-Israeli bias, and only serves to further discredit the council. The findings of the report, couched in terms of presumed Israeli guilt, confirm that its purpose was illegitimate in its conception. The so-called fact-finding commission chose its own facts and found precisely what the anti-Israel crowd on the HRC wanted them to find. The report, like a long list of others before it, further validates Israel's decision to distance itself from this biased U.N. body.

A number of accusations brought by the commission are outlandish and without merit, and many echo incendiary comments made by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas during his recent U.N. speeches. These include charges that Israel is actively seeking to erase the non-Jewish connection to religious sites in Jerusalem and Hebron, and that violence by settlers toward Palestinians is being carried out in collusion with the Israeli government.

The report's recommendations are even more problematic. Demanding that Israel immediately withdraw all settlers from the West Bank is unrealistic and outside the framework of the Quartet's Roadmap. Calling on private companies and governments to terminate all their business interests in the settlements – a position reflecting the views of the notoriously anti-Israel figure Richard Falk – is an inherently one-sided and counter-productive measure.

Instead of offering practical solutions to help bring the Israelis and Palestinians back to negotiations, the report's recommendations only further push away the prospects for peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 03:00 PM

From Wikipdedia:

Linguist and activist Noam Chomsky has characterized ADL as having lost entirely its focus on civil rights issues to become solely an advocate for Israeli policy; he holds that ADL casts all left-wing opposition to Israeli interests as antisemitism.

And:

In 2005, Norman G. Finkelstein published Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History which devotes Part 1 to "The Not-So-New 'New Anti-Semitism'." In a 2006 appearance on Amy Goodman's Democracy Now!, Finkelstein denied there was any evidence for a rise of a new anti-Semitism in either Europe or North America. He continued, "Every time Israel comes under international pressure, as it did recently because of the war crimes committed in Lebanon, it steps up the claim of anti-Semitism, and all of Israel's critics are anti-Semitic." According to Finkelstein, the ADL and Foxman, its president, have advanced this "preposterous" deception.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 03:10 PM

This video illustrates just how much of a joke is the UN "Human Rights" Council.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: kendall
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 03:19 PM

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.( T. Jefferson)
I stand behind Israel 100%.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 03:31 PM

Understanding UN Bias Against Israel


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 03:54 PM

"The anti Israel bias of the UN is well known and long standing, read about it here"
Sorry - read your link - can find no reference to illegal settlements and their human rights effects on Palestine.
Are you claiming that these settlements are not illegal?
or
That they have no effect on the Palestinian people?
or
That any reference to illegal settlements is an indication of anti-Antisemitism?
The UN (including the US) has condemned these settlements as being an abuse of human rights.
In the past the US has used its power of veto overwhelmingly more than any other member of the UN - mainly in support of Israeli atrocities and crimes against humanity, it is therefore reasonable to assume that in this case, Israel has overstepped the mark in its announcement of a huge increase in these illegal settlements; basically an act of spite in revenge for giving Palestine observer status at the UN (not forgetting, of course an attempt to gain the support of an ultra-right party in the recent elections).
Please stop hiding behind the old get-out of "anti-Semitism" and address the question in hand - illegal settlements as an act of open aggression against a Third-world people.
Israel is a terrorist nation - no less.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Feb 13 - 04:58 PM

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.( T. Jefferson)

That'as a common myth, Kendall, but no-one has ever been able to find it in Jefferson's writings or document he ever uttered it.

The person you're quoting is John Birch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 02:53 AM

Jim, you have made two posts without even mentioning the subject of the OP!
Your opinion on the air-strike please.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 03:40 AM

"Your opinion on the air-strike please."
Do not tell me what and what not to write about.
You have lied, twisted and distorted your way through the last four threads, producing no evidence for your disgusting arguments and ignoring all the evidence put by others while claiming there has been none - the end result being that you have filibusted them out of existence.
It ain't gonna happen here.
If you have anything (concrete) to say on what I have written, please feel free, otherwise take your attempts to manipulate threads while at the same time misrepresenting and distorting the opinions of others and shove them.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 03:59 AM

It is not me attempting to manipulate the subject.
You try to make every ME thread about settlements.
It is a complex issue requiring a dedicated thread, so start one or reopen one of the many existing threads about it.

Rights abuses in Israel are dwarfed by what goes on in surrounding countries, so why do you people always single out Israel for abuse?

Is it because surrounding countries are all Arabs and you have a low opinion and expectation of them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 05:06 AM

Last word on this (to you)
I can think of no worst cenario for world peace than a dogfight between three terrorist states bewtween which you could not insert a credit card.
Now butt out
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 05:07 AM

That should read "two" terrorist states.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 05:17 AM

The subject of this thread is the recent airstrike.
So, what is your view on it Jim?


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 05:38 AM

""Thus, ISRAEL is enforcing the UN treaty, and SYRIA is in violation of it.""

So tell me BB, who officially appointed Israel to the position of UN Enforcers?

And Keith, once again you try to put words in my mouth by lying.

I do not support the concept of any nation's military forces initiating aggressive action (Acts of War) on foreign territory, without either Declaration of Hostilities or formal authority of the UN.

That includes, but is not limited to, you favourite warmongers.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 05:48 AM

without either Declaration of Hostilities

A state of war does exist.
Any member can enforce for UN.
BB showed that formal authority of UN existed.
So Don, what other objection have you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 05:48 AM

""Of the 91 decisions made by the United Nations body since it was created three years ago, so far, 39 have singled out Israel for criticism, while only three votes have involved Syria, and one dealt with Iran."""

Could that be because the problems with Iran and Syria concern domestic matters within their own borders, which, however much one might deplore them, are not anybody else's business, while Israel's Imperial aggression is destabilising the whole Middle East region?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 05:49 AM

No.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 06:01 AM

""A state of war does exist.
Any member can enforce for UN.
BB showed that formal authority of UN existed.
So Don, what other objection have you?
""

I bow to your superior knowledge O wise one so tell me, your magnificence, exactly when did Israel formally declare war on Syria, whose territory they just violated?

As to your nonsensical claim that any member can invade any country if the UN has stated that something that country is doing is illegal, well it hardly deserves the effort of an answer.

The stupidity of your position on this is remarkable, even taking into account your well established Pro Israel bias.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 07:31 AM

exactly when did Israel formally declare war on Syria,
"Upon independence, Israel was invaded by the armies of six Arab nations: Egypt, Syria, Transjordan (later Jordan), Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. In addition, local Arab Palestinian forces also fought the Jewish Israelis. Israel held off the Arab forces and established itself as an independent nation. From the start of this war, Syria and Israel have been engaged in one continuous legal state of war. While technically at war this whole time, in reality, their conflict has been punctuated by several major (though short), wars and numerous cross-border attacks and air battles."

any member can invade any country if the UN has stated that something that country is doing is illegal
No-one has been invaded, they just stopped a serious violation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 07:49 AM

Gate man sees name, garage man sees name tag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: kendall
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 08:00 AM

"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance" has been attributed to Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and Andrew Jackson.


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: kendall
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 08:04 AM

Israel is surrounded by enemies who have vowed to wipe it off the map. Self preservation is job one in any species.

Thats not to say that the Palestinians don't deserve a homeland. Remember how Israel was formed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 08:25 AM

"Remember how Israel was formed?"
Yup - by throwing hand grenades into Palestinian homes to clear the way for a 'Promised land' - and that slaughter has never really stopped.
Wonder why the Palestinians don't trust the Israeli regime - funny lot!!
Jim Carroll


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