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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 04:05 PM

I don't think they'll go for two from Argentina in a row


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 04:57 PM

After weeks of heavy thinking, I figure whoever it is will be from Argentina.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 08:59 PM

And now we know!


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 12:48 AM

BS: who will be next pope????

Pope Ah-hah the 39th

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: mg
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 11:45 PM

Interesting headlines about Scola and Mafia friend and police raid in his diocese..hard to figure out what the story is but it happened i guess before they were locked in. it at least brings up questions, which are obvious with at least one very major cardinal but not necessarily with scola. He was number 1 contender. Also about number 7 or so..Schonborn, my favorite...his mother has spoken up and said her son is too kind hearted to be pope and does not like dishonest people and would not be able to handle all the bitchiness in the vatican. would love to see the entire interview. Ratings fluctuate but seem to be approximately scola, sherer, being pushed by vatican hcuria, possibly because he is docile to them but he looks very severe..turkson, bertone, going down thank heavens, oullet. Next a cluster of pretty nice seeming ones who fluctuate..tagle, shonborn, o'malley, ravasi, erdo.

I do not want a peter because of the prophecies, so leaves out turkson and erdo and one or two have pedro or similar as middle names. if someone takes the name peter after all these prophecies he is just thumbing his nose at us all i believe. bertone is too damaged.

Interesting face analyses ..asked people who they wanted for pope based on facial features..perhaps honesty?? O'Malley was first of the group, I think followed by Erdo and Tagle. O'Malley wildly popular with Italianhs and his own parish people have good things to say about him. But I think Shonborn is the best..very kind looking man, has taken on Sodano who is not a nice person it seems, was scolded by the pope, has spoken out about priests marrying I think or was it celibacy..is Austrian so probably can figure out mess left behind and still attended to by Ratzinger and Gaswein...it would probably baffle a Filipino or Argentinian..too much to sort out between the Curia and the German legacy..I think another German or close cousin is needed.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Songwronger
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 10:20 PM

I've read some articles that claim the resignation and all is due to banking issues. The Vatican bank is insolvent or close to it, and in order to secure a loan from the Anglo-American banking cartel, pope Ratzinger had to go. If the next pope is from a former English colonial country, then the City of London will have succeeded in putting their CEO in the Vatican. Or so some people think.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 13 - 04:19 PM

THANK GOODNESS Canucks can now rest easy! I have just heard on CBC that Peter Mansbridge and whatshername will be in Rome soon to keep us up to date with live coverage. WHEW! That was close. Sorry I couldn't simulate the dramatic accompanying music.

I can just feel the tension...

Pete : No white smoke yet. Stay tuned.

Fookin rivitin, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 02:22 PM

If it weren't built on such tragic crimes, horrors, depravity..it would be fascinating from just a human interest point of view. The long awaited fresh breeze that was supposed to waft through the church has turned into a big f'in hurricane and not a minute too soon. I am gleeful about what Cardinals Mahoney and DiNardo and Sr. Walsh and perhaps others did to just go on camera and start dropping hints. It is important to watch what Sodano and Bertone (who still is listed as about #3 in gambling sites) are up to..no good it seems. SNAP is doing wonders getting people talking..the third person they have named (good guys) is Tagle..I had a hunch..should have said so and then I would have named all three...Schonborn and Martin being the others. Others will speak up...the dam has essentially been broken. Are they all going to excommunicate each other? Ha ha..no pope and it is the best time to clean things up and make things right by our ancestors, who would be turning over in their graves...

I also want to hear from Keith O'Brien..he started to talk, perhaps as he knew his days were numbered. He has a lot to say about the torment of gay closeted priests and clergy and the type of acts it can lead them too (not pedophilia in this case but abuse of his power over young seminarians apparently).


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 11:20 AM

Go see the film Joe and let me know what you think of it - please.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 05:08 AM

Joe
Nobody does doubt these facts any more, what they do doubt is the extent of them and the complicity of the Vatican in covering them up and allowing them to continue.
The Pope lied - and no discussion on the papacy should ever cover up that fact
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 04:49 AM

You know, Jim, I don't know anybody who "doubts the facts of these crimes." The disagreement is about how or whether such crimes can be prevented, and about the extent of culpability of church leaders who employed molesting priests. In many ways, it seemed that many dioceses, including Milwaukee, took extensive efforts beginning in the 1960s to root out seminarians who were potential molesters, and to provide long-term, inpatient psychiatric treatment to priests who had been accused of molestation. The trouble is, the screening and the treatment didn't work. Treatment programs were abandoned in the US in the 1990s, and most dioceses set up zero-tolerance policies. Priests who were accused, were suspended immediately and reported to the police. You will notice that there was a dramatic drop in priest molestation cases beginning in the 1990s. The zero-tolerance policies became uniform and nationwide in the U.S. in 2002.

You mentioned the Milwaukee priest, Fr. Lawrence Murphy, director of St. John's School for the Deaf. I didn't hear anything about occurrences there until a year or two ago. However, in 1962-63, I attended school in the seminary building next door to the school for the deaf. I never, ever saw anybody outside on the grounds of that school, and I sometimes wondered why that was. I mean, you'd think they would go outside to play or something. There was always activity on the seminary campus, and it did seem a bit spooky that there was no human activity at all on the grounds of the school for the deaf.

I knew a girl from Montana who moved to Milwaukee when her brother went to the school for the deaf, but she didn't say anything about any problems there.

There were several Fr. Murphys among the 600-some priests in the Archdiocese of Milwaukee. I knew a few Murphys among the many dozens of priests I knew, but don't think I ever met Fr. Lawrence Murphy. I think child molesters can try to make themselves invisible. I knew the priests in the parish church across the street - why didn't I know the priest who ran the school right next door? Why didn't I ever see a living soul on the grounds of that school?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 02:54 AM

Have just got back from Dublin after seeing 'Mea Maxima Culpa' - Silence in the House of God, a documentary on the emerging of the earliest revelations of the clerical abuse scandal that (hopefully) will remove any temporal influence the church may have on the lives of any human being anywhere on this planet.
The film begins with the systematic abuse of deaf children by Milwaukee priest, Father Lawrence Murphy. It goes on to describe the lengths three of the abused children went to to bring these crimes to the attention of the public, and the lengths the church went to to cover up the abuses and to keep Father Murphy in office so he could continue to work with deaf children and continue to abuse them.
The last section of the film shows how the Vatican reacted to the revelations of world-wide clerical abuse, from refusing to co-operate with the investigation of these crimes, to denying access to relevant documents and information, even to declaring The Vatican a separate State and therefore immune to prosecution for or implication in any of these crimes.
The retiring pope, who denied any knowledge of these crimes until the abuses became public knowledge, in fact lied. As an archbishop he was put in charge of dealing with all reported child abuses by clerics - every single reported case of clerical child abuse that became known to the church, or even suspected, passed through his hands.
Up to the present day The Vatican holds these and many other such documents in its archives and refuses access to them in order to protect the abusers and the reputation, wealth and (remaining) influence of church.
One interesting fact (to me at least) revealed by the film was that the earliest recorded case of child abuse by a cleric took place 1,700 years ago - it's been going on a long, long, long time.
I don't know who the next pope will be but I hope it is somebody honest, decent and brave enough to deal with these massive number of serial crimes, acknowledge the church establishment's role in them and bring some sort of closure to the surviving victims - but somehow, I doubt it.
I would make MEA MAXIMA CULPA - Silence in the House of God obligatory viewing to anybody who doubts the facts of these crimes; in fact, it wouldn't be any harm for anybody working with and having influence over children to treat themselves to a couple of hours worth of unremitting horror.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: mg
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 02:21 AM

i think the new york transplant..don't blame new york on him..has pathology and it terrifies me he could be pope..and he seemed to be running for it..he is a bully it seems and a liar for sure..but fortunately people seem to be wise to him and he probably has been told to tone it down because he won't be elected due to the law on his tail. i hope to never have to lizten to one of his letters he makes the priests read from the pulpit. o'malley seems to have lots of great qualities..one of which i discovered when i had insomnia..just put on a youtube of him speaking and it is like a high dose of melatonin...


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From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 01:08 AM

Kevin, SNAP is Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, not the easiest acronym to tie to the actual name of the group. Click here for SNAP's "dirty Dozen" list. I agree with some of the organization's choices, but their charges against O'Malley are pretty flimsy. My top choice is still O'Malley, although I don't think he has a chance against the Europeans. I've never been impressed by Dolan. Dolan seems to fit the European stereotype of Americans - loud and lacking insight.

The other major US organization dealing with the child molestation crisis is http://www.bishop-accountability.org/, which maintains a database naming all U.S. priests, nuns, and church officials accused of sexual misconduct.

I tend to think of SNAP as more than a little bit brash. They seem bent on attack, rather than on resolving the problem of child molestation and healing the victims. bishopaccountability.org seems to be more an information provider, and it seems to seek a balanced, factual approach (which is still damning).

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: mg
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 10:34 PM

snap has been very active in this papal election and good for them. they have a suite in a hotel in rome..or the vatican..probably rome...they are releasing the names tomorrow of 3 people who have better records in this area..i am guessing shonborn of austria, martin of ireland..darned if i can think of a third..there was a retired australian and retired american who were considered good. we are electing a pope of one billion or so people..and can't come up with more than 3 names?????????? I am sure many are either quite capable or innocent or their work does not demand action in this area..but they have not spoken out for the most part. they have not complied with law enforcement in many many cases...not my only issue in electing a pope but certainly one of the top ones..along with Mafia involvement and money laundering etc. You should c basicallyompare the cardinals from new york and boston when asked what top issues were..new york went on and on and basically said nothing..boston said fix the sex abuse and reform the curia.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: mg
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 10:10 PM

survivors of child abuse....and i am not against a spay/neuter program for some offenders.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 08:21 PM

Once again I ask - what is SNAP? I googled this, and it just came up with stuff like Spay Neutral All Pets and Supplementary National Assistance Program, which I suspect aren't too likely to be relevant...

No point worrying about who's going to get elected. Pick your favourite and pray... Being picked as a likely winner tends to mean not much chance of getting the white smoke.

Personally I'm hoping it'll be a black pope ths time. My wife was talking to a couple of black fellow parishioners the other day, qand she was taken aback to learn that they've run into some people who make a point of not shaking their hands at the Sign of Peace. Which is a bit strange since about one in three of the people at Mass are black or brown.   A black pope would really piss off those kind of people.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 07:53 PM

Oh this O'Malley thing is getting more interesting..they have essentially shut him down..along iwth others who are commenting to the press but I think he is the main target...he is hitting close to the bone in a skillful way..he is an artist at this..like a chess player...saying to the entire world, oh I am sure we'll get lots of information on the top secret locked in a safe 300 page document that allegedly caused Pope Benedict to resign sooner than planned...and while official word was they wanted to hurry the election through he is saying..oh we'll take whatever time we need..he is coming as close as I have seen in my life to a higherup in the church telling the truth..mirable..mg


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: mg
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 03:34 AM

This is getting interesting. Supposedly two feuding cardinals of curia, Bertone and Sodona, are scheming to get in the German from Brazil..Sherer?? Bertone is number 3 in gambling sites, which horrifies me, as does number two, Turkson. I am hopeful that Shonborn seems to be stable around the top ten. I don't know about Tagle but he seems OK. O'Malley is up to something. He seems like a decent sort but he is going to appear on a SNAP list tomorrow of dirty dozen..is accused mostly of delaying abuse things but also gets credit for doing aan lot of cleanup. But he is pontificating all over the place now..and I don't get the impression he is running for pope, like the one from New York seemed to be a few months ago..thank heavens that has recided..I think someone told him to shut up...anyway, the "vatican" issues statemennts about things and O'Malley just casually disregards them..which I thhink is wonderful...he is sending some sort of message to the curia..hopefully that their days are numbered..anyway, it is very interesting to watch. I think he has many qualitries a pope needs b ut would be better running a retreat center somewhere but I am OK with him for pope.he seems amiable but also sly like a fox...also PROB Tagle and definitely Shonb orn is probably my favorite.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Feb 13 - 09:03 PM

"I read somewhere the actual rules are ANY Catholic man can become pope. How about a write in campaign for Joe?"

All ya gotta do is convince 78 Cardinals to go along with the idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 28 Feb 13 - 07:39 PM

I read somewhere the actual rules are ANY Catholic man can become pope. How about a write in campaign for Joe?


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Feb 13 - 05:36 PM

i was hoping for informed opinion so i could win some money.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Feb 13 - 02:26 PM

,"who cares"?" By definition, to some degree, anyone who takes the trouble to post on this thread, including Wilfried and Roger, I would suggest.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Feb 13 - 11:11 AM

arrrggghhh ..Yes, Joe... "conclave". Old brain picked that other word from some vague list. Coulda been brave, rave or Burma Shave

Anyway, I read that the general 'practice' is that cardinals don't directly campaign or ask for support about specific choices, but rather just 'discuss' obliquely in ways that suggest good ideas. No doubt that results of first ballots will focus the general mood.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,Roger Knowles
Date: 28 Feb 13 - 10:57 AM

I'm with Wilfried Schaum - who cares? I don't


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 28 Feb 13 - 07:27 AM

who cares? W (lutheran)


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Feb 13 - 03:42 AM

So, what's this enclave thing? I suppose it's correct to say that the Vatican is an enclave (a territory entirely surrounded by another territory), but what's that got to do with electing a Pope?
I think the word you want is conclave.
-Joe Pedant-


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 10:01 PM

If I'm nominated I will not run, and if I'm elected I will not serve.

Pat Paulsen


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 07:36 PM

Betting on the name rather than the person might be a change.

I'd make a guess at Leo - which would be a nod in the direction of the last Leo, who wrote the encyclical Rerum Novarum, a title best translated as Revolution.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 07:34 PM

Well, I thought that seein' as all the bishops are checkin' in here at Mudcat to see who they should be voting for that I'd go on record of sayin' that if elected, I will not serve so...

...don't waste yer votes... I ain't even Catholic...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 07:17 PM

Ha ha...I bet there is some going on in the enclave.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 06:34 PM

All of this betting, speculation and analysis is from those who will not be in the enclave and doing the voting. I'm sure many can be eliminated, and some of those odds reflect that, but I'd sure not risk any money on even a group of 5-10.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 06:27 PM

Big disputed prediction by St. Malachy or his followers or faked on his behalf that last pope will be Peter and he only listed 112 popes and this is the one...so 3 out of top ten have peter in their name..hope he meant papal name and hope no one takes it. I am a good Catholic actually when it comes to believing scary supersticious things.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 05:46 PM

SNAP is the lead singer in Crackle and Pop.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 05:03 PM

" I am supersticious enough to not want anyone called Peter."

That's a very strange superstition on your part... Do you apply it generally, or is it just for popes?

What's SNAP?


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 03:28 PM

I vote for background check. Also a poll from the people he or she now leads...is he/she respected amongst locals? Of course that would not work for the curia. I am befuddled by why Bertone is listed. I think he is considered part of the mess in the vatican. I am supersticious enough to not want anyone called Peter..leaves out Turkson, Erdo and Bertone..middle name. Turkson has problems. Bertone has problems. Oulette has impending huge scandals in Quebec he must face. SNAP has listed 3 to not elect and I will go with their call..New York, one from Mexico and one from Honduras.

Who does that leave? Erdo, although he is a Peter, Scola, a couple of other Italians, probably O'Malley, Tagle is rising, oh..Shonborn seems OK. I think from scant knowledge that SHonborn is the most amenable to necessary reforms.

I want to know more about O'Brien..timing is significant where he says priests should perhaps marry and celibacy wither away. Then come accusations and demotion. What is cause and effect? Some say he was demoted for calling for marriage. It could be coincidence..he was retiring anyway and probably wanted to get his truth out..but who knows. I think this is a very tragic situation..if allegations are true (involving seminarians, not children) he was probably a tormented man who was very outspoken on homosexual issues (not supporting them) but was said to be a nice man himself. This is very confusing to me...We have a lot to fix...


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: kendall
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 02:42 PM

I wonder if they will do a background check? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 03:04 PM

If I had to put money down right now I would say O'Malley..he has worked with the abuse situation..not perfectly according to victims' groups but not horrifyingly either. I could go for a pope that did not horrify me. He is in the top 10 or 15 or 20 depending on where you look.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 02:59 PM

I would not be surprised over either of them..or O'Malley or Erdo..know almost nothing about either but have not heard bad things. Shonborn seems the best to me so far..also one from Philippines seems OK but I don't know. I do not know why Bertone is even mentioned but he is in the top 4 now I think...isn't he a big part of the problem..the various multiple interacting problems? One who should never ever be is the one from New York. I get the heebie jeebies from him and he is mentioned as one of the top three by SNAP as do not elect hands are not clean.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 05:11 AM

The tie around his collar may also be the rope around his neck: Communion and Liberation and his past but not present association with it. Church and State often meet at the corner of Money and Influence. The Cardinals may opt for a benign Pope like Oulette, but given Italy's recent 'political instability', it's possible Scola will be seen as the Great White Hope and subsequently find himself the successor of St Peter. Beats me.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 03:33 AM

yes, could be , he is amongst the front runners in the betting, it would explain why paddy power has offered to refund any bets if a black pope is elected , because they know it will not happen


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 02:22 AM

I strongly suspect Cardinal Angelo Scola will be the next Bishop of Rome.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 08:33 PM

I will vote for Mahony and O'Brien before I vote for the one from New York. I think it is very good that all this stuff is coming out...and it is not pretty and there is undoubtedly more. This O'Brien stuff is very interesting..he just a few days ago said priests should be able to marry..perhaps he knew his days were numbered and wanted to get the truth out..I don't know. His seems to be a very tragic case...strongly anti-gay..I think he was sending out a very strong message that priests are asked to give up too much in many cases..either straight or gay. Shonborn has spoken up, as I believe the cardinal from the Philipines...

I think we have to keep pressure on the cardinals to at least get an honest, decent man or woman..one who can clean house without being mean or unmerciful or screechingly homophobic.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 05:21 PM

Any offers "Elton" 1 ?


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 05:06 PM

latest odds
Cardinal Peter Turkson (Ghana)         11/4
        
Cardinal Claudio Hummes (Brazil)         50/1
        
Cardinal Crescenzio Sepe (Italy)         100/1
Archbishop Angelo Scola (Italy)         3/1
        
CardinalGiovanni Battista Re (Italy)         66/1
        
Cardinal Philippe Barbarin (France)         100/1
Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)         6/1
        
Archbishop Vincent Nichols (England)         66/1
        
Cardinal Ivan Dias (India)         100/1
Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone (Italy)         6/1
        
Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera (Mexico)         66/1
        
Cardinal Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino (Cuba)         100/1
Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco (Italy)         8/1
        
Cardinal Joao Braz de Aviz (Brazil)         66/1
        
Archbishop Pietro Parolin (Italy)         100/1
Cardinal Leonardo Sandri (Argentina)         12/1
        
Archbishop Piero Marini (Italy)         66/1
        
Cardinal Wilfrid Napier (South Africa)         100/1
Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi (Italy)         14/1
        
Cardinal Agnostino Vallini (Italy)         66/1
        
Cardinal Donald Wuerl (United States)         125/1
Cardinal Peter Erdo (Hungary)         16/1
        
Archbishop Pier Luiga Celata(Italy)         66/1
        
Cardinal Silvano Piovanelli (Italy)         125/1
Cardinal Christoph Schonborn (Austria)         18/1
        
Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera (Spain)         66/1
        
Cardinal Geraldo Majella Agnelo (Brazil)         125/1
Cardinal Odilo Scherer (Brazil)         20/1
        
Cardinal Dionigi Tettamanzi (Italy)         66/1
        
Cardinal Julian Herranz Casado (Spain)         125/1
Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga (Honduras)         20/1
        
Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois (France)         66/1
        
Cardinal Giacomo Biffi (Italy)         150/1
Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Argentina)         25/1
        
Archbishop Pier Luiga Celata (Italy)         66/1
        
Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor (UK)         150/1
Cardinal Francis Arinze (Nigeria)         25/1
        
Cardinal Angelo Amato (Italy)         80/1
        
Cardinal John Njue (Kenya)         150/1
Cardinal Timothy Dolan (United States)         33/1
        
Cardinal William Levada (United States)         80/1
        
Cardinal Walter Kasper (Germany)         150/1
Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines)         33/1
        
Cardinal Raymond Burke (United States)         80/1
        
Archbishop Nicolas de Jesus Lopez Rodriguez (Dominican Republic)         150/1
Patriarch Bechara Peter Rai (Lebanon)         40/1
        
Cardinal Attilio Nicora (Italy)         80/1
        
Cardinal Francis George (USA)         200/1
Cardinal Sean O'Malley (United States)         40/1
        
Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani Thorne (Peru)         80/1
        
Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller (Germany)         200/1
Cardinal Paolo Sardi(Italy)         50/1
        
Cardinal Antonio Maria Rouco Varela (Spain)         100/1
        
Cardinal Daniel DiNardo (USA)         200/1
Cardinal Albert Malcolm Ranjith (Sri Lanka)         50/1
        
Cardinal Karl Lehmann (Germany)         100/1
        
Cardinal Angelo Sodano (Italy)         200/1
Cardinal George Pell (Australia)         50/1
        
Archbishop Diarmuid Martin         100/1
        
Richard Dawkins (UK)         666/1
Cardinal Mauro Piacenza (Italy)         50/1
        
Cardinal Thomas Collins (Canada)         100/1
        
Father Dougal Maguire (Craggy Island)         1000/1
Cardinal Robert Sarah (French Guinea)         50/1
        
Cardinal Jose Da Cruz Policarpo (Portugal)         100/1
        
Bono (Ireland)         1000/1

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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 04:28 PM

""Britain's most senior Catholic cleric, Scotland's Cardinal Keith O'Brien, has resigned his position as archbishop of Edinburgh and St. Andrews amid allegations of "inappropriate behavior" just days before he would have taken part in the conclave to elect the next pontiff....O'Brien was had been taking advice from lawyers after British newspaper The Observer reported that three priests and a former priest had filed complaints to the Vatican alleging that the cardinal approached them in an inappropriate manner.""




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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 08:18 PM

I wasn't thinking so much about political differences. That kind of thing doesn't matter too much. I'd be worried it was perhaps a sign he was dangerously unhinged...


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 07:18 PM

I can only hope he's like Ebbie and only gets it for 'information about the other side'.


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 03:37 PM

I wouldn't feel too safe with a dentist like that..?


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Subject: RE: BS: who will be next pope
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 03:28 PM

"I get a right-wing publication online ..."

This one? http://www.thetrumpet.com/ They have stuff to say about the pope, and ummmm.... other things.
I saw a copy of their print edition in a dentist's office recently. Startled me.


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