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BS: Counselors on same sex marriage

GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 13 - 01:00 PM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 30 Mar 13 - 12:02 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 13 - 08:53 AM
akenaton 30 Mar 13 - 08:49 AM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 30 Mar 13 - 04:51 AM
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Don Firth 29 Mar 13 - 02:30 PM
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Musket 29 Mar 13 - 12:38 PM
Amos 29 Mar 13 - 12:09 PM
frogprince 29 Mar 13 - 11:41 AM
akenaton 29 Mar 13 - 09:12 AM
Musket 29 Mar 13 - 06:26 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Mar 13 - 03:09 AM
GUEST,TIA 29 Mar 13 - 01:10 AM
Don Firth 29 Mar 13 - 01:00 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Mar 13 - 12:17 AM
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Don(Wyziwyg)T 28 Mar 13 - 02:26 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 01:00 PM

Your reputation proceeds you.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 12:02 PM

When I want lessons on offensive posts I shall use yours as the gold standard.

In the meantime my dog is far better than me at discussing these matters with you because he doesn't need to shower afterwards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 08:53 AM

Maybe 'recreational sex(?)' should be reconsidered....maybe too many people are controlled by the 'allure' of it.......
Maybe there isn't really such a thing, and perhaps it's just an illusion.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 08:49 AM

I think GFS, like most folks here, would think it highly unlikely that you have a "dick" to hold in your hand.

You would be better to leave the fine dog out of your offensive posts, lest he mistake Dr Dolittle for the Pushmi-pullyu.

You know...the beast with his arse where his head should be?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 30 Mar 13 - 04:51 AM

Mmmmm. Goofus seems slightly weird even by his own low standards today.

He assumes I think more of my dog than others, that I have kids and that taxpayers look after my kids. What any of that has to do with this thread is beyond me but as I have said before, his mental state is such that encouraging him does you no favours.

Why stop at those random thoughts Goofus? Surely you would do better saying I was a closet gay or that I hang around schools with sweets in one hand and my dick in the other?

My dog on the other hand thinks, well, I'll let him say it.

Woof! Grrrrrrr Grrrrrrr. Woof!

Really? I didn't think they had computers in padded cells? Well, you've analysed the sick twat I suppose. ..


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 11:21 PM

Maybe because their kids are sons of bitches!..Bow wow!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 04:45 PM

Dr Dolittle I presume?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 03:13 PM

That's ironic....you seemed to be more concerned with the welfare of your dogs than of your children!!...I guess that's the job of the taxpayers and government, huh?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 03:09 PM

Here in civilisation, we don't live in kennels. We live in huge fuck off mansions. Mind you, the good professor can choose between his bean bag at the side of the aga, his basket in the lounge or the rug in front of the fire in my study.

Same sex marriage is a sore point for him. Very sore indeed since having his nuts nipped. However, he did tell me say to you the following.

Woof! Woof! Grrrr Woof!

Which translates as "Whilst ever we have a situation where gay footballers such as Fashanu commit suicide due to how Gay people are demonised, football is the poorer for it. Whilst ever you have to "admit" rather than state you are gay and hope for acceptance, society is the poorer for it.   Whilst ever the HPA figures suggest the HIV fight is far from over, society acceptance and encouragement of monogamous relationships such as marriage on the same footing as any other person is a positive step in the right direction.

And that would preclude your poison and hate being repeated and repeated in order to stigmatise people.

What's that boy? No, no bark, he just farted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 02:30 PM

Thanks, Froggy.

The level of Goofballupagus's alleged mind is that his interpretation of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet is:

"It's all about two teen-agers fucking."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 02:29 PM

Hmmm....28.87 Lifford.......101 form rating.

A useful animal indeed ........much more so than his owner I presume, who seems a complete waste of kennel space.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 12:38 PM

The good professor, who raced under the name Friday's Touch, won 6 and showed 2nd 7 times in only 26 races till he had to be retired through pulling up. My win, as we then adopted him from the local greyhound sanctuary.

In he meantime, he has been invaluable in conversing with Goofus, and presumably from your last post, you as well from now on.

At least it will prevent me from having to talk with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 12:09 PM

I don't care much who marries whom, as long as they are kind to their dog.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 11:41 AM

"NOTHING would keep a GOOD man away from raising his child"

gfs, I've asked before, with no response: what would you in fact do if the mother chooses to move away with the child? Would you chain her up in some hidden place? Would you kill her and bury her in the yard? Do you think you could forcibly take custody of the child and get away with it? Do you believe you could, and should, coerce her into at least staying in the immediate area? Do you believe that if Don had actually been a "GOOD man", she would have percieved that and married him? What is the practical, realistic alternative that would have satisfied your standards?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 09:12 AM

Thats the most sensible thing you've said on this thread Ian.

Well done, My new star pup,who has just won four from nine races at Shawfield must be feeling quite depressed at your eloquence?

Try not to get over excited, carpet cleaning bills are horrendous I believe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 06:26 AM

Woof! Woof! Grrrr Woof! Woof!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 03:09 AM

I'm not making up anything..and you know it!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 01:10 AM

Do not engage.
It feeds the beast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 01:00 AM

Goofy, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know the situation, so you're making things up--and LYING!

Frankly, I don't give a damn what you think.

You really need to spend a bit of time contemplating your own genetic heritage. Or is that too frightening for you?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 12:17 AM

...but you're not doing so good with my ballpoint sword.

...and you posted a while back what the circumstances were...or at least in part...you left out the stuff that made you look like how you really were/are.

But one thing for sure...a guy gets a woman pregnant, and NOTHING would keep a GOOD man away from raising his child....now before you think that is an indictment of you.....you are the one who ripped yourself off!....and really Don, no excuse justifies it...matter of fact I delivered all my children at home, alone...and you know what??....that was among the top two experiences in my life!!!!!!!!!!! Rather than swat them on the ass, to get air into them, I breathed their first breath into them....
......you probably just don't get it.

GfS

P.S. True story...
...and as far as the Ten Commandment thingy, nobody is lying to you...but I do say, 'Only the corrupt and weak accuse others of their ways!'


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 06:51 PM

I don't really think of you as a fencing opponent, Goofy. I've fenced with some of the top swordsmen in the country, and even though I certainly wasn't one of them, I managed to do a fair job of holding my own with them. I wasn't a pushover by any means. Even now, after all these years, I could shish kabob you in seconds, and that's no sport at all

You, on the other hand (as I note do most of the more intelligent folk on this thread—or on this web site in general), I regard as a joke.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 06:38 PM

"........'But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.'"

No sweat, Goofballupagus. I did provide.

That's one of your many problems, grasshopper. Without knowing the whole situation and what really happened, you make stuff up.

By the way, how is your knowledge of the Ten Commandments? specially the one that begins, "Thou shalt not bear false witness...."

Translation:   False witness = LYING.

As long as you're into quoting Scripture, think about it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 05:32 PM

Methinks you spun yourself out of control, this time...NOW you're talking about fencing you did years ago...way back then, before they had gunpowder. I'm talking about your posts about the game you likened OUR exchanges to...or don't you remember?

..and I got a goodie for you......remember that link that threw you off the edge?...the one from the Bible that...wait, I'll pull it up........"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

Well, being as you think of us as fencing...here's why that one blew your shit away.....(wait..gotta' get it....) got it...

Hebrews 4:12 says "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

Touche!

GfS

P.S. YOU say I'm a 'hate monger' but you are either intolerantly wrong, or just generally full of shit.
(Actually, I'm beginning to think you're a glutton for punishment!).


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 03:46 PM

Since this thread has passed it's "sell by" date (the Supreme Court is currently deliberating the same-sex marriage issue, I'm sure they are aware that some 81% of Americans favor same-sex marriage, and it's only a matter of time—a fairly short time—before Goofballupagus, Akenaton, and those of similar ilk will go the way of Piltdown Man), I have no qualms about digressing a bit.

For those hardy souls still reading this thread, if there are any who are interested in the sport of fencing, I highly recommend getting a copy of Aldo Nadi's On Fencing, published in 1943, but paperback reprints can be purchased from Amazon. The book is excellent throughout, but in a short chapter toward the back of the book, entitled "Free Will in Defense," I found the secret to my success at standing in one spot supported by a crutch and simply slugging it out with my opponent. How to develop a nearly impenetrable defense! Read and heed!

Also, at Halberstadt's school in San Francisco, both Sal Giambra and Gerry Biagini (two of the country's best fencers and also two of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet) were very generous to me in the salle d'armes and gave me a lot of tips gleaned from their experience in international fencing tournaments (both of the guys were on the U. S. Olympic Team at the time).

For example, Gerry told me to have a parry or parry combination pre-planned, then hold it until my opponent lunged (similar to what Nadi said in the recommended chapter), but keep my eyes fixed on his shoulder and the right side of his chest (assuming he's right-handed). I will also be able to see his right foot in my peripheral vision. When he lunges, I will see him pick up his right foot, his arm will straighted, and he will move forward—very quickly! That's when I go into my parry-combination, deflect his point, and fire a swift riposte back.

He also said to notice any little mannerisms my opponent had and take advantage of them if possible.

All of this things proved very helpful in future fencing bouts.

That latter—noting my opponent's mannerisms or habits—allowed me to start beating a Seattle fencer who, until that point, had always beaten me. His mouth got dry when he fenced (he was a bit of a mouth-breather), so to alleviate that, he chewed gum. I notice that this made his mask bob a little bit. But a split second before he lunged, he would stop chewing. This was a tip-off. And suddenly he began losing bouts to me! He couldn't figure out how I got so good so fast!

Nasty me! I never told him either!

If you fence, try putting these little tips into practice.

Don (step aside, d'Artagnan!) Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 02:31 PM

Goofballupagus, I don't bother trying to discuss things with my neighbor's dog. But his unsolicited utterances are generally more intelligent and cohesive than yours are.

And regarding my comments about my first fencing competition, once again that demonstrates that you either can't read or you deliberately distort what people say. It was my first competition, I hadn't intended to enter, but I intended to merely watch (some of the best fencers in the country were entered), but Maestro Halberstad persuaded me to enter. I did, reluctantly. I expected to lose every match. Maestro Halberstadt said, "I think you might surprise yourself."

Keep in mind that I was nineteen years old at the time, and I fenced in a stiff-legged guard position, leaning on a crutch, and could not lunge. So I had to first defend myself from my opponent's attack and hit him with either a riposte or well-timed counter-attack. Simple illustration thereof.

I thought I would lose every bout. But I wound up in fourth place!! I--and several of the other fencers there at the time--regard that as a victory!

Other fencers received the medals. But that evening, I received the congratulations.

And you ARE a hate-monger.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 02:26 PM

Mister guest far from sanity, that's Mr Thompson, or Sir, to you.

I'm rather fussy about what kind of slime uses my given name, and I prefer that they have the guts to lose the anonymity.

You are merely an irritant here.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 02:18 PM

My god!....how much trawling did you do before you dredged up that little gem froggie?
Sometimes, some of the people here surprise me with their viciousness.

How do you sleep at night?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 01:38 PM

firth: "He's gone really crackers, hasn't he?"

Whadya' mean??..YOU'RE the one who liked our exchange to fencing....now you're whining due to the 'agony of defeat'!!

firth: "Why are we responding to this hate-monger?"

Not a hate monger...that's just another one of your sophistry spins. I think YOU are the 'hate monger'..you just hate making an ass of yourself, and I just gave you a nudge to reveal yourself!

Firth: "I get more intelligent conversation out of the yapping of my neighbor's Yorkshire terrier."

..and arguing with him!!


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 10:47 AM

I think we generally misunderstand gfs. I think he's often just having an innocent little chuckle with us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 10:08 AM

Has Martin Gibson been reincarnated?


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 03:17 PM

He's gone really crackers, hasn't he?

Why are we responding to this hate-monger? I get more intelligent conversation out of the yapping of my neighbor's Yorkshire terrier.

By the way, as to my fencing skills:   in San Francisco in 1950, in my first competition, in which there was a former National Epee Champion (Fred Linkmeyer) and two members of the U. S. Olympic Team (Salvatore Giambra and Gerry Biagini). I wound up in a tie for third place. Linkmeyer had placed first, which was not a great surprise. Second place went to Sal Giambra. There was a fence-off to settle the third place medal. I lost to Gerry Biagini, ending up in fourth place.

It's a matter of record. Official agency, the Amateur Fencer's League of America. The competition was the De Caprilis Open Invitational Epee Competition. Look it up.

Not bad for a nineteen-year-old kid leaning on a crutch.

My fencing master, Hans Halberstadt, was very proud of me. I was ecstatic. I expected to get my ass whupped--and surprised myself!!

Care to go for a few touches, Goofballupagus?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 11:33 AM

Donald, that's MISTER Guest far from Sanity, to you.....

Musket-Butt,: "Poor Goofus. The only village idiot who encourages him is Akenaton."

Quite untrue....usually idiots making false assertions about things they don't know shit about, or trying to make lame excuses MAY foment a response from me...but then again, they are also too block-headed to get it!

That being said, I know there are some people who read this stuff for the sheer entertainment value of it...¿Comprende?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 07:09 AM

Poor Akenaton. The only village idiot who encourages him is Goofus.

Poor Goofus. The only village idiot who encourages him is Akenaton.

Poor human race. Mediaeval dark age views are spouted and sometimes listened to, because every pillock has the right to be heard under equality. Even those who abuse it for their own ends...


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 06:03 AM

GUESTGuest far from Sanity,

You may not have noticed, wrapped up in your little cocoon of imagined superiority, but it is you who has only one supporter here.

The vast majority consider your posts utterly incomprehensible nonsense.

Far from ""whipping the snot"" out of anybody, you are simply pissing against the wind and proving that you really haven't a clue.

So, to cover your signal lack of reason and intelligence, you twist a commonplace comment from way back and construct around it a totally false edifice which you use to attack the man with whom you are unable to compete.

In order to appear to have more supprt you invent an alter ego and hold conversations with yourself. Pathetic and desperate exactly describes your output.

If you think that's winning I pity you, as I would any delusional adolescent Walter Mitty clone.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 04:56 AM

Well, for someone who likened our exchanges to dueling with foils, may I suggest, that if you look down, your fencing jacket very much resembles a colander!...with confetti flapping out of every hole!!! You've lost handily in EVERY category!!...and to boot, you're a sore LOSER!! Now, quite a while ago, I posted that our exchanges would be VERY informative, because the dialogue would bring out both sides of the debate (for our readers who actually followed this sordid ordeal)...and you've gotta admit, it's been very entertaining for you..something you must have enjoyed, because it gave you something to look forward to, EVERY day!...but, the only glitch was/is you just kept losing....even after I warned you, to knock it off...but NOOOOOO...you just kept comin' calling me names, that not only were inappropriate, but false, misleading...oh, and did I mention both libelous and slanderous?
I told you REPEATEDLY that I was NOT homophobic, but I understood what they were and what they were not..remember?
Whenever Akenaton posted really good and accurate data on the numbers of AIDS cases, you went 'nasty on him' as well....but, (thanks to me) you got hammered, maybe with that same 'jawbone' you set out to use on me...but the fact is, you got the snot whipped out of you....SOOO, may I make a simple suggestion?.....Stop spinning what other posters post, and then attacking us, based on your spin, that were NOT things we posted...Stick to the facts, and be a little bit more polite...show some etiquette, and fuck off with grace and dignity!!

It's been fun, beating the shit out a bullshitter!
YOU LOSE!

Now, if you don't want to get REALLY hammered again, then stop trying to get people to obey propaganda!!

Have a pleasant time posting!!

GfS

P.S....and please DO expound more on your musical history knowledge...and really, fuck politics...(you lose half your audience's favor).


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:59 AM

Keep it up, wise guy!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:34 AM

Oh, shut up!
You make wild, off the wall statements that you can't back up, and then freak out when you're called on your bullshit! You just aren't getting away with it like you have been accustomed to in the past...(sorry yo' widdle feewings got hoort)...
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!
Stick to music....as I've told you more than a few times before!!

GfS

P.S. Now you can call the Wahhh-mbulance....

P.P.S. And Akenaton is correct..he has posted factual figures, given links to the CDC and their figures and you either ignore him, or call him a bigot and homophobic..what gives?...(not that we don't know already)!


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 04:54 PM

Goofballupagus, since you chose not to become a member and hide behind a made-up name, I can't PM you with this, so I'll have to post it in open forum.

Just for the fun of it, I talked to an attorney friend of mine. This friend happens to be in a same-sex relationship with another attorney. They've been together for some twenty years that I know of, and they were married in the same church that my wife and I attend.

I told him about your posts, harassing me and telling lies about me. I gave him the Mudcat URL and told him some of the threads to look at. So he spent some time browsing through them.

He concluded that I have a pretty solid case for libel. He explained to me that "slander" applies to what is spoken about someone, whereas what is published—and posting something on an internet forum falls under the classification of publishing—is libel.

And, GfS, things you have said about me in your posts are definitely libelous!

Tracking you down would be no problem. Using an internet "handle" does not mean you are anonymous. You can be tracked down. Your IP (internet protocol) address is like "caller ID" and can be traced, the same way that Joe traced the post that you claimed I had written under your name on the Prop 8 thread, and established that it came from your computer, not mine.

Dave said that if I wanted to sue you for libel, you had already posted enough lies about me to hang your ass from the highest flag pole—and he said he would be happy to take the case pro bono, then suggested that in lieu of a legal fee, when I collect damages from you, we could split the settlement. He'd enjoy nailing you, and told me, "If you want to do it, just say the word!"

Ain't no big thing, he said. Lots of law firms are handling internet defamation cases. It's a relatively new field in legal practice and there's a lot of it going on, sparked by people who think they can hide behind a pseudonym and say anything about anybody, and no one can touch them.

Not so! He referred me to this web site:   Ve-e-ery interesting!!

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It might be a good idea if others who inhabit this web site and are given to attacking others take note of the above item.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 03:18 PM

Goofballupagus, in your post of once March 26th, 2013, at 3:27 a.m., again you are making up stories--LIES--about me. You know absolutely nothing about the situation.

You are a mean-spirit LIAR--as is obvious to all here.

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As to Ake's continued rant, he can cobble the figures any way he wants and it signifies nothing of significance. Encouraging those of same-sex orientation to form stable, monogamous relationships is the best way to minimize the spread of HIV/AIDs, as well he knows.

By saying this, I'm giving him credit for some intelligence. Whether he chooses to use that intelligence and recognize the truth of what I, and many other people, are saying is more a test of his character and personal integrity.

Interesting statistic reported in today's news in relation to the fact that Prop 8 and DOMA are now before the Supreme Court:

81%
of the American population now favor the national approval of same-sex marriage.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 02:06 PM

I think I have supplied plenty of facts....which have been largely ignored.
There are many things in our society much more unfair than refusing the use of the word "marriage" to people of the same gender, when one considers that all "rights" are available through civil union.
Reason seems to to play little part in the stance of those who are pro homosexual "marriage"....."Equality" appears to trump reason on every issue.
What they ignore of course, is the fact that this system is conbstructed on the principle of inequality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 01:39 PM

""The reason I've gone after Firth the way I have, is because he lies, twists and spins the truth,""

Nope! He makes a factual comment, and you lie, twist and spin the truth, before using your concocted mixture of spite and bile to attack him.

You are a disgrace, and the most compelling argument I've seen to date against allowing anonymous "guests" to post here,

Guests don't crap all over the family the way that you do.

And members of the family don't establish multiple personas to back up their spite.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: saulgoldie
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 09:31 AM

Arguing facts to the fact-o-phobic; fairness to the homophobic; logic to the reason-o-phobic. Totally pointless. Unless you get a kick out of winding them up and watching them run around in sideways figure 8s. (That's infinity, by the way.)

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 05:13 AM

Actually, Ake, I agree with you. The reason I've gone after Firth the way I have, is because he lies, twists and spins the truth, to further corrosion of the nuclear family, both in his personal life, and whatever influence he thinks he's peddling on here...and I find that destructive not only to, first the family, but also ennobling horrible standards and behavior, as if personal responsibility should be replaced with political diaper changing....the political agendas will NEVER replace, nor should ever be expected to replace family, nor family structure.
When counseling a couple, or a family, the counselor can usually spot which party is the source of discontent. They, no matter how slick they may avoid being found out, ALWAYS give themselves away. Men have different 'methods' than women, and this guy is a classic! Always 'justifying' bad behavior, and excuses for neglect...NEVER admitting to a screw up...it's usually always 'the other person made me do it' or I had no choice'..By the way, when counseling, homosexuals have their 'tip-off' as well, and very ofter, it has NOTHING to do with an expressed desire, for sex with a same gendered person!!...and here it is, and I've posted it before...THE tip-off, that a male(usually), is a homosexual, or has homosexual tendencies(and you can see it in some of the posts), is emotional immaturity....and their is a reason for that...and it RARELY comes from birth....HOWEVER, those that DO have 'inclinations' from birth, has to do more with the relationship with the mother's emotional state, in regards to the father, or even men, in general. This, in turn, sets up the receptors in the fetus's nervous system, as well as 'feeding' the emotions, frustrations, hostility, resentments and so on, being as they are sharing the same bodily systems.
It has NOTHING to do with genetics, and only the homosexual community claims that it does. Scientists, though influenced to look there, still have NOT found it...only 'markers' that seems to intersect on one particular gene....and even that, is on a miniscule percentage of homosexuals who claim it was from birth. The rest of them enthusiastically jump onto that bandwagon, as if it even remotely applies to them....and then the politicos scream bloody murder, claiming that it applies to all of them. It really is much ado about nothing, trying to cover their real emotions....but then, emotionally mature people CAN admit to their real emotions...can't they?

Regards Ake!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 04:40 AM

I hear what you say Sanity, but I prefer not to make this discussion a personal one.

That being said,I have seen the childish abuse which has been thrown about on this and other threads.
This issue, like "abortion on demand" strikes right at the heart of "liberalism" and engenders strong feelings on both sides.

If folks would stop viewing these topics as "political issues", we might start to get somewhere.
Meanwhile the beat goes on......"78% does not amount to very many people"???????


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 04:08 AM

Well said, Akenaton....but our resident 'political activist' doesn't fathom what you are saying, because he's never been in that situation. He impregnated this woman, and left them to pursue some other self absorbed agenda..something he still tries to 'justify' with a bunch of lame excuses. Had he actually raised his family, and been a responsible parent, he'd have a clue...as it is now, he's just laundering out the biggest FAILURE in responsibility, that a man or woman can do..and that is abandoning your children/family to chase after money and his idea of status!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 03:59 AM

..and TIA....right now, with Obamacare looming, many physicians are leaving the practice...so, what do you expect the Medical Association's bureaucrats are going to say, in their 'recommendations'??..They really don't have a choice, based on sound, well established FACTS...the genetic theory is only a theory...and if any physician still wants to practice, and get paid,they'll just have to fall in line.
Actually, in your case that you stated, what I've been saying about receptors during pregnancy, SHOULD have caused you interest..the rest is just political nonsense, and is being exacerbated by political rhetoric.
True story.

That being said, if the Supreme court rules in favor of homosexuals 'marrying' then it won't be the first time they fucked up under this administration..Obamacare for one, and 'Citizens United' for the other! Who knows how politically motivated, their 'decisions' are? Things in this country are all out of whack, and going through changes..and not for the better!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 03:51 AM

Don, these figures would suggest that there is something intrinsically wrong with male to male sex.

The "marriage" legislation suggests otherwise and attempts to legilimise the practice. Take up rates for civil union and homosexual marriage are so low and promiscuity rates amongst male homosexuals so high, that it can be taken as read that active male homosexuals have no interest in "marriage" or monogamy.

The reason that the vast majority of people marry, is to provide a secure environment in which to bring up their offspring and build a family structure......this does not apply in the case of homosexuals,
who will have no offspring.
Society is now in the invidious position of having to provide a family to support the practice.

I genuinely feel sorry for these people who will never find fulfillment in their personal lives, but the fault is not in anything I say here.   You must look elsewhere for that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 03:27 AM

To the 'Most Noble Bishop'

...and here's one for you, jerk-off!..in regards to your son and his mother

So don't tell me about it...I don't give a rat's fuck what school you went to...you missed out on the biggest lesson taught in this life!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 13 - 12:27 AM

In modern times, Biblical injunctions against same-sex relationships are irrelevant. In tribal times, when it was important to increase the size of the tribe, perhaps, for practical reasons.

But if anyone's paying attention, this planet is quickly becoming overpopulated.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 25 Mar 13 - 11:55 PM

Please re-read the OP link, and then try to dispute the arguments of the hundreds, no thousands, of scientists, medical professionals, and counselors that the linked statements represent.
This thread is not about the Bible.
If you need to cite the Bible here to win the argument, you have already lost.
(And I've got nothing against the Bible).


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