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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:07 PM Well, KB...you're opinions are not always wrong...and you've been cool about it...I'm waiting to hear from our illustrious Professor..being as he LOVES to twist and distort history and facts, to suit his own agenda. having an 'opinion' on homosexuality is one thing...lying about it, as Don does is another. Being deceived is not evil in itself..because people, in general, try to make the best possible decisions, based on the information that they have to work with..if one is deceived, he's just deceived.... and given more accurate information, they would more than likely adjust their decisions........the evil belongs to those, who being self willed, set out to deceive another. That is quite another thing. Being as a great many people, have some compassion in them, may empathize with various homosexuals that they may have an acquaintance with..I too, have had associations both professionally and artistically with people who were homosexual....but because I was truthful with them, they were honest to me in return....in in that honesty, they have admitted things to me, about their homosexuality, that they would never admit to another, generic placatory 'so-called' activist!! In the course of my associations with a certain homosexual, who was, in my opinion, a musical and sound engineering genius....I was able to convince him to return to his father, in Sacramento, reconcile with his dad....who ended up taking care of him.... He died of AIDS, in his father's care. From his own admissions to me, and my studies, and sensitivities in dealing with him, though his fears and perceived sexual 'inabilities' toward the opposite sex, I have NO DOUBT whatsoever, that our resident Professor Wannabe Activist, has worked overtime in trying to delude others, as he hides from his emotional callousness, both in his past, and failure to ever come to terms with it!! Now he is trying to serve up more nonsense....but is probable afraid at taking a stab at his perceptions of Greek history....that he is wanting to duplicate.....and Good Lordy, in sort time you will understand WHY the Greek model appeals to him, so much. Respectfully KB, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: KB in Iowa Date: 19 Mar 13 - 10:13 AM That last was me, lost my cookie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST Date: 19 Mar 13 - 10:11 AM I see the similarity of history repeating itself...but then, history teaches us that man never learns from history.....and what was rife just before the collapse of Greece??? Hint: You champion the cause. GfS Given the thread in which you wrote this it is fairly obvious what you wanted poeple to believe you meant. I suspect you either did mean it and then saw an opportunity to get a dig in at Don or you wrote it in an attempt to set him up. Just my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Mar 13 - 02:38 AM You flatter yourself, WAY too much! You actually think you know what I was thinking??? Go for it..what was I thinking?? Hint: Begins with an 'S'. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 19 Mar 13 - 01:18 AM Athens fell when then they were invaded from outside. What you're thinking about had nothing to do with it. Learn some real history. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Mar 13 - 12:33 AM I see the similarity of history repeating itself...but then, history teaches us that man never learns from history.....and what was rife just before the collapse of Greece??? Hint: You champion the cause. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 18 Mar 13 - 09:09 PM A Constitutional Democracy, much along the lines of Athenian democracy, wherein the Athenian citizens were well-educated in the democratic process (unlike modern Americans) and where, instead of elections, political leaders were chosen by lottery, served for a limited term, and were then judged on their performance in office by a jury of some 501 citizens (also selected by lottery, too big to bribe, and an odd number to eliminate the possibility of a hung jury). On the basis of that performance judgement, the outgoing political office holder was either rewarded or fined--and if they really did badly, banished from Athens. So it behooved them to keep their noses clean! Their equivalent of Congress was--6,000 citizens! Again, too many to bribe. Or "lobby," which is the same thing. Read First Democracy: The Challenge of an Ancient Idea, by Paul Woodruff. Excellent book. Easy read and very revealing. The major flaw in Athenian Democracy was that only men were citizens. Not women. But there were contemporary Athenian citizens who said that this was a major mistake, because Athens was wasting half of its intellectual power by excluding women from political deliberations. The title of the last chapter in the book is (if I remember correctly) "Is America Ready for Democracy?" Read it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Mar 13 - 08:14 PM What would you prefer?..a dictator??..a Pope...a King?...Theocracy???..YOU???? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 18 Mar 13 - 06:14 PM Wanting to cross the border. Now, THAT's obviously genetic. Goofup, the "real democracy" you seem to be advocating (simple majority rule) is best embodied by a lynch mob. Even the ancient Athenians knew better than that. A LOT better! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Mar 13 - 05:21 PM ..or, once again, the political machine will 'cover' people's irresponsible behaviors, instead of doing the things they were supposed to do, like protect our borders, and be accountable for the people's will....you know, like they used to do in real democracies. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 18 Mar 13 - 05:02 PM I'm not going to try to untangle your snarled mess of unreason, Goofup, but suffice it to say that the world is moving past homophobes like you and others who are obsessed with this issue because they are afraid of their own sexuality. More and more states all the time are passing laws legalizing same-sex marriage, and recent indications are that it's going to go national. You and others like you will be left behind, just like the Neanderthals. Or in your case, more like Piltdown Man. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Mar 13 - 02:48 PM nice try..but it falls short. When I posted the question about bisexuals, the usual gang of wannabe-activist-truth-benders, said it was different..but my post was clearly, if you read it, covering all of the deviants..including the BEHAVIOR of bisexuals...AND the Civil right's issue of the '60's was about race and color....Don has been unable to link those two together, as having to do with the behavior of homosexuals, and the like...so your response post, is NOT applicable...and neither is your stance! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 18 Mar 13 - 02:43 PM "…….while you were reciting fictional 'news' broadcasts. You should have, at least, researched your 'news' stories...but then, researching to find facts, isn't one of your hallmark achievements!" Several times now, Goofup, you have claimed that I made up or slanted the news during my career as a radio announcer. Since you never heard me during that period of my life, you have no way of knowing, so your allegations amount to, at best, fiction. Your allegations about me also qualify legally as slander and libel, so be careful. I have already warned you that I can have my attorney subpoena your IP address, which is like caller ID, have him find out who and where you really are, despite your internet pseudonym, haul your ass into court, and sue you for everything you've got! So I'd suggest that you be damned careful what you say! Don't piss me off!!! I have already, in several posts on several threads, tried to inform you of what my radio work actually encompassed, but you continue to make the same allegations. Here, for example is one of my posts setting the record straight: Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?In several other threads you have made the same accusation. It is a LIE, Goofup, and you KNOW it! I reiterate this, not to try to get you to tell the truth, because you haven't the intellectual capacity to recognize the truth. I restate this for the benefit and enlightenment of any benighted soul reading this thread who might not be aware that you have this "truth deficiency" in your character, and to set the record straight about my time as a broadcaster. And to warn you that you're playing with fire, and that my patience with your childishness is running out! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: frogprince Date: 18 Mar 13 - 01:50 PM Genetic, or Behavioural? . Could it just be, just maybe, that some folks have reason to do some things that they do because of who they are genetically, and how other folks repond to them? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,TIA Date: 18 Mar 13 - 01:24 PM Hahaha - what the hell kind of "evidence" is that? From the photos, it sure looks genetic to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Mar 13 - 12:02 PM OK....try this one for contradicting yourselves! Genetic of Behavioral???.......all of them??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 18 Mar 13 - 08:17 AM ""Now we get to listen to those who want to discriminate between who they think is homosexual ENOUGH!!"" That's a natural enough response to the terminally confused who can't tell the difference between a pantomime dame and a homosexual. No wonder you haven't a clue about any of this. Pantomime dame is not genetic. It is a workstyle choice, and most of them are a sight straighter than you Goofie. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Mar 13 - 01:45 AM Froth the Proff: "P. S. You claim to be a counselor and you don't know this!??" Not only was I a pretty good counselor, I was a parent, as well, while you were reciting fictional 'news' broadcasts. You should have, at least, researched your 'news' stories...but then, researching to find facts, isn't one of your hallmark achievements! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 17 Mar 13 - 09:13 PM Not something that can be answered succinctly in a post, Goofup, as you should know. How to be a good father would take a book to detail, but there are plenty of good books out there for you to read. The main thing is to be a good role model, and all that that entails., Don Firth P. S. You claim to be a counselor and you don't know this!?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,TIA Date: 17 Mar 13 - 07:28 PM For fuck's sake, the scientists, doctors, and true counselors have spoken. It is in the link in the opening post. Go read it again, and then close the pie hole to all further insulting* blather. *especially to THIS parent |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Mar 13 - 05:42 PM Sex between two people of the same sex. How do you describe being a father? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 17 Mar 13 - 03:37 PM GsS, serious question: How do YOU define "homosexuality?" Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Mar 13 - 06:11 AM Now we get to listen to those who want to discriminate between who they think is homosexual ENOUGH!! You guys are a riot! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 17 Mar 13 - 02:23 AM I'm reminded of the old joke about the man leading an elephant with a loaf of bread stuck in each ear. When asked why, he replied "What the f**k's it got to do with you, what I put in my sandwiches?" I feel pretty much the same about who marries whom. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 16 Mar 13 - 10:28 PM I'm with you on that one, Froggy! You've gotta draw the line somewhere! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: frogprince Date: 16 Mar 13 - 10:06 PM I'll tell ya what, tho: If they allow gay people to marry each other, that's one thing; But if they allow female impersonators to marry each other, that's the end of the world as we know it !!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 16 Mar 13 - 09:29 PM What was I thinking!? Wilma got the idea for her gig at "The Garden of Allah" long before the movie, "Victor Victoria," came out in 1982! They could have got the idea for the movie from her, although that's highly unlikely. I made a boo-boo! Watch Goofup pounce on that like a pit bull on a pork chop and go skipping around inside his Petri dish chanting, "Froth made a mista-ake, Froth made a mista-ake….." Oh, wotthehell! I've always tried to be kind to dumb animals. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 16 Mar 13 - 02:52 PM Some years back I ran into a woman I had gone to high school with. She was all grown up, of course. She was generally pretty attractive, tall, with a nice figure. She also had a nice singing voice, quite deep (probably contralto) and had sung in the school choir. Also early on, she wanted to be a ballerina and took some ballet lessons, but was eventually told that she was not really "petite" enough to be a ballerina. Tall, well-muscled, built like an amazon. We dropped into a restaurant, had several cups of coffee (as we used to do after school was out for the day) and spent some time catching each other up. It seems she was making some pretty good money at an unusual job. She got the idea when she saw a 1982 Julie Andrews movie called "Victor Victoria." The "McGuffin" of the movie was a woman impersonating a female impersonator. My friend was using her singing and dancing skills in a somewhat unconventional way. She worked up a song and dance act for "The Garden of Allah," a gay night club down on Seattle's First Avenue, where, at that time, all the pawn shops and porn theaters were located. Her act at The Garden of Allah was as a female impersonator! The manager of the club thought it would be one helluva snort for a female to impersonate a singing and dancing male female impersonator! Got that? It can get a little confusing. The fact that she had what might be called a "Junoesque" figure, and a fairly deep voice for a woman, helped the illusion a lot, and the customers in the place assumed that she was a male impersonating a female—and that she / he was damned good at it. Well, I guess you could say that. He / She had what you could call a certain natural talent! She was not confused about her sexuality. She eventually married and had a couple of kids. Also, she had gotten into computers early on, and last I heard, she had taken a job as a computer technician at a downtown business firm. Bright woman! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: frogprince Date: 16 Mar 13 - 09:25 AM Nah, I think he knows what he's doing; once more he knows he doesn't dare really reply, so he scoots off in another direction one more time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 16 Mar 13 - 07:50 AM Now he can't distinuish between heterosexual and homosexual males who make a living acting as women in comedy shows or pantomime, and those who don't. And we are the ones who are supposed to be relying on bad science. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Mar 13 - 02:41 AM Genetic or behavioral??? Enough said? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 16 Mar 13 - 01:52 AM Just to be clear: "....AND THE GENE IS..............??????" Goofup, it is no specific single gene, but a combination of genes—like many inheritable traits. It appears to be a recessive gene, and it also appears to be carried by some females of a particular line, and it is not believed to affect them as far as sexual orientation is concerned. It operates sporadically and has to do with the timing of hormones released to the fetus in utero. The actually physical organs of sex are established by the Y chromosome, which is carried by the father. Here is yet another example of your abysmal ignorance: "….and it falls under what race, creed or color?" The gene in question is independent of genes that determine race. Race is considered to be an anthropological category and often determines skin color and certain other physical characteristics. So "race" and "color" are actually redundant. Creed, on the other hand, is NOT genetic. That IS, indeed, a matter of choice. Are you really that ignorant? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 16 Mar 13 - 12:01 AM Goofup, I think you actually did read my whole post, but you don't want to acknowledge that I've got your number. But then, if you didn't, and don't read my whole post, you'll never know what I implied about you, and why those who did read it are nodding and saying, "Yeah, that's what Goofup's problem is all right!" But it's your choice. Don Firth P. S. By the way, that's $250.00 you owe me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 15 Mar 13 - 09:12 PM That's a part of your problem. You don't read. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Mar 13 - 09:06 PM Prof Froth: "My dedication to the facts and the truth is 100%." I didn't even read any further....AND THE GENE IS..............?????? and it falls under what race, creed or color............???? Gosh, ya' really got me 'spinning'.................dream on! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 15 Mar 13 - 03:26 PM "Because you will play to the audience. . . ." The only time I play to the audience is when I am performing, as in on stage, singing. ". . . regardless of the truth. . . ." My dedication to the facts and the truth is 100%. Any other course of action (such as yours) is potentially suicidal. I don't need to "launder" anything because I don't have an "ideology," I have a well-thought-out philosophy of life that works well in the real world because it is based on the wisdom of philosophers who have gone before—and is well vetted by me before accepting. There is nothing "disappointing" about it because it works I believe it was Plato who said, "The unexamined life is not worth living." I don't know what you're talking about when you mention "your musical history of the composers." What does that have to do with the present discussion? Silly opinions? (Non)utopian pipe dreams? Wishful thinking? I leave that sort of thing to you. Nothing wrong with my parenting skills and family structure. Reliable science? I've been a science buff since I was a kid, and although I majored in English and Music in college, I've had one helluvalot of science courses and am quite familiar with the applied scientific method. As to "bullshit blustering blather," once again I leave that sort of thing to experts—like you! Yes, I do have friends. LOTS of friends. And some of them happen to be homosexual, but since the law allowing gay marriage was passed in the recent state election, they have either gotten married or are about to. They have been together in civil unions, however, which was legalized in this state some years ago! Once again, there you are, making things up as you go along and twisting what others say to suit your own sick purposes. You regard me as some sort of "bleeding heart liberal" because I think what two people do in the privacy of their own home is none of my business—nor is it the business of perverts who, apparently, can't think of anything else!! You need some serious counseling, "counselor!" Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 15 Mar 13 - 02:12 PM ""...but we all like to sit stoned and watch violent 'action' movies for entertainment.....or play 'quasi-black ops' video games for endless hours..while ignoring our families...and somehow find that it's not 'depressing'...unless you're trying to pry them away from their screens to actually have a dialogue........"" Ah! that explains a lot. That's how you got to be the pig ignorant, half baked twerp that gives us all so much amusement. Speak for yourself laddie, you haven't a clue about how the rest of us get our jollies, and your feeble intellect makes your guesses miles wide of the mark. I hate to disillusion you but we have real lives to live, and the vast majority of us have long since grown out of "Walter Mitty" fantasies. The need to big yourself up just exposes your adolescent shortcomings. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 15 Mar 13 - 01:53 PM ""Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM Date: 14 Mar 13 - 04:51 PM Proff Froth: ".... that's pure speculation on my part..." ..and playing to the audience for self aggrandizement..... What else is new? GfS"" That doesn't even qualify as pot calling the kettle black. In this case the kettle is shiny chrome. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Mar 13 - 02:33 AM Because you will play to the audience, regardless of the truth...and try to launder your bitterly disappointing ideology to them, as if more numbers will all of a sudden make it true. It never was, and really, what you do have down, is your musical history of the composers...the rest is just silly opinions based on utopian pipe-dreams, and other forms of wishful thinking!..and that's all you got....parenting???...uh-uh....family structure??..uh-uh...reliable science?...uh-uh...just bullshit blustering blather....'dat's all you got. Later... GfS P.S...and a couple of homosexual friends...who still aren't 'married', despite their bleeding hearts, and you wanting to champion it...when they could have gotten 'married' for quite some time....but they're nice guys.....real sweethearts....who love each other so much, that even if they weren't dickin' each other, they'd still be sweethearts...or at least friends...right?...like you and Barbara...right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:46 PM By the way, since when is dealing in facts and telling the truth "playing to the audience for self aggrandizement?" Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:26 PM Still in denial, eh, Goofup? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 14 Mar 13 - 04:51 PM Proff Froth: ".... that's pure speculation on my part..." ..and playing to the audience for self aggrandizement..... What else is new? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: KB in Iowa Date: 14 Mar 13 - 02:49 PM I may have to rethink becoming gay. As with Saul I have no fashion sense or interest in design, but I have been known to watch House Hunters with my wife (and sort of enjoy it). That last brings up an issue. I am married with a couple of kids. Wouldn't be the first time a married man left his wife and kids to lead the homosexual lifestyle though, and I'm sure it wouldn't be the last. No, that is not the real problem. Fact is I don't like guys in 'that way' and I think that is kind of required to really do it up right. I will have to do a bit more thinking about this new direction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 14 Mar 13 - 01:56 PM Having been heterosexual all my life and happily married for the past thirty-six years, that's pure speculation on my part, Goofup. It appears, though, that you've decided that you would rather be bitter than gay. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: saulgoldie Date: 14 Mar 13 - 07:37 AM KB, Good luck with that. I switched too, as I mentioned in the other "homo" thread. But I found that the "gay lifestyle" just didn't fit. I discovered that I have no real taste in clothing or interior decorating. (However, I DO like musicals; go figure.) So I ended up changing back. Let us know how it goes for you. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Musket Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:31 AM Woof! Grrrr.. Woof Woof!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 14 Mar 13 - 03:47 AM The Froth Proff: "If one really has a choice, it's better to be gay than that bitter and sour." I'll take that as an observation from someone who's been there. gfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: Don Firth Date: 13 Mar 13 - 07:50 PM With that rate of rotation, Goofup's angular momentum must be on the verge of exceeding the speed of light. I don't know if that's possible, but apparently time will tell. If one really has a choice, it's better to be gay than that bitter and sour. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: KB in Iowa Date: 13 Mar 13 - 09:40 AM I have decided to become gay. I think the homosexual lifestyle sounds like fun. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage From: saulgoldie Date: 13 Mar 13 - 08:28 AM We have heard the same tired utterances ad nauseam from the resident homphobes. They will only change their minds when a) they are open to change and they wish to change or b) they are compelled to change by facing *real* consequences by some force bigger than themselves. So far, neither seems to be the case. And reminding them about their limited mental capabilities, the circumstances of their births, or what shoes their mothers wear will not accomplish much, other than self-satisfaction. I don't even see how I might enjoy a beer with these folks. Fortunately for the rest of us, the worldwide tide is moving, if slowly, towards more acceptance. Saul |
