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BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort

GUEST,999 06 Mar 13 - 12:45 PM
Steve Shaw 06 Mar 13 - 12:33 PM
GUEST,999 06 Mar 13 - 12:17 PM
Steve Shaw 06 Mar 13 - 12:14 PM
Ebbie 06 Mar 13 - 11:55 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Mar 13 - 11:10 AM
GUEST,999 06 Mar 13 - 10:48 AM
Bobert 06 Mar 13 - 08:48 AM
gnu 06 Mar 13 - 06:58 AM
JohnInKansas 06 Mar 13 - 03:00 AM
Richard Bridge 06 Mar 13 - 02:48 AM
Ebbie 06 Mar 13 - 02:02 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 12:45 PM

"So let's see if I have this right."

You don't.

As for the rest, I agree, Steve. With all of it. I think abortion should be a last resort to save a child or a mother. I strongly disagree with abortion on demand while at the same time recognizing the view you have which I think is correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 12:33 PM

So let's see if I have this right. You think it would be fruitful for us to discuss (again) exactly when human life begins. Great. Don't forget to tell me where you think that will get us.

If we're going to discuss abortion again let's try to figure out a way towards some solutions. Let's begin by saying that ignorance, lack of sex education, denial of contraception, moralising, preaching and the belittling of women's place in the world are the very opposite of the right answers. By those criteria, the Catholic church is one of the major champions of abortion. I just said in another thread here (with a man talking red alert thrown in) that I want all women to have the unfettered right to have abortions. Unfettered means no charge, no delays, no "counselling" and no conditions. None. But I'm far more "against" abortion than any pope or Mother Teresa. I want to live in a world in which abortions are rare. Abortions are not individual failures of women or couples. They are one hundred percent always all our fault, all of us. Society's fault. So let's address all that ignorance, lack of sex education, denial of contraception, moralising, preaching and belittling. There is no other way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 12:17 PM

Maybe so, Steve, but that is your view. Not everyone's view. And that is precisely what Ebbie is saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 12:14 PM

I see the threat all right. The point I was trying to make was that what we don't need is that awful, useless, sterile, futile, inflammatory stuff about "when exactly does life begin" here in this thread. Of all conversations on any forum I've ever been on, that one is the most depressing, soul-destroying and pointless of all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 11:55 AM

Look it up, Steve S. It's not pointless. There have been several efforts in the recent past to make aborting a pregnancy at any point a crime on behalf of the baby-to-be. If this one succeeds, it will be on the basis of a ruling that the baby is to be protected as early as the tiny blob. Roe vs Wade would be superfluous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 11:10 AM

Life began in some slimy puddle of ooze three and a half billion years ago and has never had to begin again ever since. Now let that be the last sterile, pointless assertion of this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 10:48 AM

Life does begin at conception; however, viable life doesn't occur until pregnancy. The problem with that type of legislation passing would be the next logical step: declare sperm and eggs to be state property. There's the rub (as it were).


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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 08:48 AM

The angry white man party is going to go out screaming and kicking every inch of the way but they will go out... America has passed them by...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: gnu
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 06:58 AM

Sick B*******!


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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 03:00 AM

Several states already have anti-abortion laws prohibiting abortions after much shorter gestation periods than specified as acceptable by Roe vs Wade (legal generally considered about 20 to 24 weeks, but can depend on fetal development which does vary).

Arkansas just passed a law prohibiting any abortion after 12 weeks. The law was vetoed by the governor, who pointed out that it was unconstitutional, but the Arkansas State Senate voted to override the veto the next day. The State House still has to vote on an override.

The ACLU is preparing the lawsuit to contest constitutionality.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 02:48 AM

Arseholes.


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Subject: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 13 - 02:02 AM

As I've mentioned before, I am on the online mailing list for a couple of right-wing publications so that I can see what they are saying.

Today, Townhall.com presents a new tack: Rand Paul is seeking signatures in the 'pro-life' debate by attempting to get a bill passed that "Life begins at conception", thereby "in effect, bypassing Roe vs. Wade." Direct quote.

I think they realize they can't over-turn R vs W- but this tactic could work.


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