BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 09 Mar 13 - 05:31 AM

Time for one memmber, one vote - and the way they count in, I've got a vote. Even though I'm well collapsed as far as any organised religion is concerned.

Just read:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21657407

and the Austrian count or whatever he is looks lively (never heard of him before).

As for the Archbishop of - is it Brasilia - "born in 1949 of German - Brasilian parents" - I wonder who his German parent was and when s/he immigrated?????????

Paws

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Mar 13 - 04:44 AM

I think the Catholic Church has to get out of the business of compelling people to do stuff or not to do stuff. We've reached a point where a significant percentage of the laity are educated and sophisticated enough to make their own decisions. Some have a conservative perspective, some liberal, and many in the middle. If the Catholic Church is to survive, it has to open its doors to all of these perspectives and not force homogenization on Catholics. There's no reason why there can't be some breadth in things so that all can be accommodated. If the next Pope is conservative but is willing to respect and tolerate liberals, that would be a big step forward. I think Benedict almost made that step, but not quite.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 09 Mar 13 - 02:18 AM

The Catholic church will do the same as cigarette manufacturers. Concentrate on evolving countries with less educated and more vulnerable populations.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: JennieG
Date: 09 Mar 13 - 12:34 AM

According to the 'Today in History' page in my local paper this morning (Saturday March 9) -

On this day in 1074 Pope Gregory VII declares all married Roman Catholic priests to be excommunicated.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: mg
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 11:48 PM

http://www.churchauthority.org/blog/?p=128

interesting Italian writeup.

Here are some questions..it is odd that the pope has decided, or others have decided for him, that he will be entombed in a convent for life. Obviously, it protects him from lawsuits and arrest somewhat. But how could he just commandeer a whole building for himself and a few nuns and the ever present now Archbishop Ganswein..who somehow does not seem to have been a bishop after being a monsignor. Is that usual?

You can say, well he is near the library and concerts etc..but you would think he might want to spend part of the year in Bavaria...Is he protecting anyone, perhaps the Archbishop? Many questions.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 11:14 PM

Yup. They frequently have to replace the lamb.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 10:44 PM

One day the lion will lay down with the lamb.

One of them will not have a good night's sleep.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: mg
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 10:31 PM

I think the forced decision is here. We can only hope they make the right one. Most of the top candidates except for Bertone and the one from New York heaven help us and Turkson, who is appealing except for the agreement with seriously bad legislation, are OK it seems..a couple could be very very good. Some are probably nice enough, but don't have what it takes to get the job of reformation done. I wish Erdo's name was not Peter because he might be good..I don't know enough about him but he is in the top 8 or 10 at the moment. If you are just a humble shepherd of sheep, the wolf is going to eat you and then eat the sheep.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 10:13 PM

The late Archbishop of Milan said that the Catholic Church is at least 200 years behind the times.

Evolve or die. It's that simple.

The Church as understood by the Vatican has been irrelevant to a very large percentage of American and European Catholics for quite a few years now. The hypocrisy is massive -- for example, the claim that human life is sacred does not prevent a Catholic from serving in the Armed Forces where he or she might have to take life...but contraception is wrong from the git-go. Then there's the pedophilia issue, the money involved, the power involved, and with all this comes corruption.

And so the laity (and many parish priests) see the problems and ignore the Vatican as much as they can.

Someday soon I think a choice will be forced on the Vatican -- and a forced decision is rarely a good decision. But then, I'm not part of the Vatican Rag-gle-Taggle Bunch.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 09:01 PM

When religions become involved with money or politics, they ain't religions anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 08:59 PM

We will have a new Pope soon. How old will he be? My age? Can't see it.

Jeez, and here's me taking you for at least 93.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 08:18 PM

Huge challenge...intertwined with Mafia. Another huge challenge..they are selected for their at least nominal adherence to their own rules. Most are sincere..but others are sincere who won't ever be made bishop or cardinal. If you say you believe in birth control, you probably won't be made cardinal, unless you keep it to yourself until you are made cardinal.

A number are speaking up...O'Malley has been brilliant..that innocent looking smile and behind it lies a very cagy skilled way of gaming. Shonborn has spoken up and was up against Sodano (M????) and pope smacked him down. Sodano is not a good fellow from what I can tell. There are some good ones..Archbishop Martin, Tagle and Shonborn got clean bill of health from abuse victims..they want Martin for pope. O'Brien has spoken out saying celibacy would wither away and priests should be allowed to be married although he did not see it for himself..of course he has recently been cast out for making advances on seminarians and abusing his power over them. That is not tolerable of course, but I want to hear more from him. A couple of Africans have made sensible statements regarding AIDS etc. One I could possibly vote for in some capacity...international rover or something...he does not seem to care about administration and is more interested in spreading the gospel..which is great but someone needs to administer..otherwise people like Sodano fill in the gap with cronyism, probably money laundering etc.

Many many people, including myself, really do not want the one from New York. He does not seem to be an inately good person and has lied straightfaced. I get creepy vibes from him. Perhaps that is why they keep bringing up Oullett, who seems nice enough but doesn't seem to have the whatever it takes to fight the Mafia. The one the Mafia is said to hate is Shonborn, who is from a royal? family in Austria, and probably does not have to worry about pensions, old age arrangements etc. I think having much truck with a band of killers (and how did Pope John Paul I die by the way and how was Mafia involved?) is not a good arrangement for a church that is supposed to be at least well-behaved, if not holy.

So you have a big mess. Someone with guts and courage has to step up to the plate. They can outsource the theology, the pastoral stuff, the PR etc. They can not outsource taking a big, perhaps fatal, step and cleaning lup the Mafia, the child abuse situation, the money laundering etc.

Subject: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: gnu
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 07:38 PM

PLEASE! Someone suggest a better thread title if this thread becomes a reasonable discussion. We'll see about that one??? >;-)

I have read a number of threads here about the Cat'lic religion and it's failings. The deal with the Pope is ongoing... Who? What are his challenges? And many others.

The question that seems to pervade all threads, discussions, whatever is why isn't the Cat'lic religion keeping up with "the times" regarding a number of issues? Be it priests being able to marry or gay marriage or whatever.

Allow me some space to ask something of you by way of... oh, I'll just say it and see what you think...

We will have a new Pope soon. How old will he be? My age? Can't see it. Even if he was, would he share my views or knowledge? Can't see it. So, if I am allowed to assume the new guy is gonna be at least 70 years old, he grew up in an age with far less access to, and the influences of, the same worldly education as I. He also was educated under a much older "system" of education beginning when he was 16 to 18 years old at the oldest... more like when he stopped weening which would be three to five years old if his old man had a stern hand (my old man used to give me a "I'll give you somethin ta cry about" when I weened).

I'll leave it there for brevity and try to bring home the crux of the biscuit.

Why does anyone get pissy about the fact that the Cat'lic church is at least 70 years behind "the times" with regard to SOME issues? Isn't it NOT rocket science?

If anyone can easily shoot down my postulates and questions, please do. If the thread goes south, and I can just imagine it will, I will ask for it to be deleted. But, to me, it's a valid question and worthy of the asking.

I have further questions. Let's see what takes place first.