Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)

Subject: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello
From: Reinhard
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 04:35 PM

My website on English folk music, Mainly Norfolk, has moved from the place where it resided for the last 17 years to http://mainlynorfolk.info/.

All links to the old place will be forwarded to the new one and I hope this forwarding will continue for some time. But please update your bookmarks and links.

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Mar 13 - 11:58 PM

This looks lovely. I think I'll be visiting it a lot.

I imagine the Kippers (who I am glad are in there) would describe it as Norfolk and good...

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 12:04 AM

And I was delighted to see you've got a clip of one of the wonderful Commando Trad street events in Canada - not just Norfolk and not just Britain.

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 12:22 AM

Gr8 site, I've used some of the info on my site, TY

Richie

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello
From: GUEST,Tim Oxton
Date: 29 Mar 14 - 07:59 PM

Reinhard, your site is magnificent, but I offer you a correction to one verse of one song: I'd rathere be tending my sheep.

http://mainlynorfolk.info/folk/songs/idratherbethentingmysheep.html

A shepherd I've been all the days that I've seen,
When the fields they're white and the fields they are green.
And I do meet my foe when the cold wind does blow,
When the fox is so cunning, hide down in the snow.

But the fourth line should read:

When the foxes so cunning hide down in the snow.

This wording makes sense, while that on your website doesn't.

Recently I heard this, sung by the Furrow Collective (I think specifically by Lucy Farrell), several times, and I am sure I heard the words correctly.

Sorry to be pedantic, but i want to be helpful. I don't know of you will ever rerad this comment, but i do not see on youre own website how a reader is meant to communicate with you.

best wishes

Tim
Colchester, UK

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello
From: Reinhard
Date: 30 Mar 14 - 02:28 AM

Thank you very much, Tim, your correction is very much appreciated.
I ordered Ruth Tongue's book Chime Child a few weeks ago, but haven't got it yet, so I had no chance to check my feeble attempt at translating this song.

My name in the bottom line of any Mainly Norfolk page is an e-mail link.

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello
From: GUEST,Rob B
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 07:22 AM

I have been completely unable to open any pages of Mainly Norfolk. I get nothing but a "Failed to open page", window. Can anyone advise or help please?

Thanks Rob
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 07:28 AM

Worked just now for me (crappy old Windows XP machine using Internet Explorer).

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello
From: GUEST,Rob B
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 09:24 AM

Hmm, thanks for that, Jack - maybe I've been blocked by my employer!!! Strange for a music department. I'll try later from home.
Ta
Rob

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: DaveRo
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 10:40 AM

GUEST,Rob B wrote: I have been completely unable to open any pages of Mainly Norfolk. I get nothing but a "Failed to open page", window.

Are you using an old version of Safari? If so what version?

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 12:44 PM

Hi DaveRo & Jack,
At work I'm using an old version of Safari on a mac and a current version of Internet Explorer on a PC, neither of which get me to Mainly Norfolk. However, the good news is - at home on a mac I can get there with no problem using Firefox.
Thanks for the tips folks.
Regards
Rob

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: Reinhard
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 01:51 PM

Rob, I'm sorry that you have problems accessing my website.

Mainly Norfolk works fine with the (current) Safari 10 on my Mac, and with my iPad and iPhone. It also works fine with Internet Explorer 11 on our department's Windows 7 terminal server.

Does the "Failed to open page" give any more hints as to what goes wrong?

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: Reinhard
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 02:04 PM

And Rob, to see if it's a connectivity problem or a browser problem:
Can you please open a terminal window on your work Mac and enter the command

curl https://mainlynorfolk.info

Do you get an error message or a few lines of HTML code?

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: DaveRo
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 02:25 PM

Reinhard: I thought maybe it didn't support TLS 1.2. I'm suprised Jack's XP/IE does. Or maybe no matching cipher.

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 09:04 PM

Works on Safari under iOS 6 on an iPhone 3GS, which is getting fairly primitive.

Using MacOS X 10.4.11 and Firefox 3.6.28, I get

The connection to mainlynorfolk.info was interrupted while the page was loading.

On MacOS X 10.4.11 and Safari 4.1.3, I get

Safari can't open the page "https://mainlynorfolk.info/" because Safari can't establish a secure connection to the server "mainlynorfolk.info".

and there seems to be no way to use a non-secure alternative - why should the site need a secure connection anyway?

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: DaveRo
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 02:37 AM

why should the site need a secure connection anyway?

Well Reinhard can answer for his site, but Mozilla and others believe that encryption should be normal on the web to protect privacy and counter routine surveillance.

Today, the Internet is one of our most important global public resources. It's open, free and essential to our daily lives. It's where we chat, play, bank and shop. It's also where we create, learn and organize.

All of this is made possible by a set of core principles. Like the belief that individual security and privacy on the Internet is fundamental.

From: Help Us Spread the Word: Encryption Matters

(Perhaps BS is the place to disagree with that.)

If your browser can't access this site because it doesn't support these protocols, it's insecure.

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: Anglo
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 08:09 AM

Firing up an old Mac G3, set up the same as Jack Campin (MacOS X10.4.11 and Safari 4.1.3) , I get the same result. Can't establish a secure connection.

But no problem with Safari 10 on my iMac running OS X 10.10.5.

I get the identical result with my own website, www.johnroberts.name. That's hosted by Karelia, which is a simple link from Sandvox where I created the page. (A simple web design program for simple minds).

Could it be old technology in Safari (e.g. I run an old version of Adobe Acrobat that tries to check for updates every week, and tells me I have no internet connection).

Safari was the only browser loaded on my G3. I tried to download Firefox, but got the message that my system didn't meet its requirements. I did manage to download Chrome, but got a similar message when I tried to open it.

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: DaveRo
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 10:07 AM

Safari was the only browser loaded on my G3. I tried to download Firefox, but got the message that my system didn't meet its requirements.

You could try TenFourFox - the Mozilla browser for Power Macs - which was built and is supported by Cameron Kaiser.

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: Anglo
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 11:11 AM

Thanks DaveRo, but I was mainly trying to duplicate Jack's experience with the early version of Safari. That's a computer I keep around for the occasional times I need to run a legacy OS9 app - OS 10.4 is the last one to run Classic.

But isn't it likely the problem is not the encryption, but how older browsers deal with current web technology. I would imagine that since Mainly Norfolk runs fine on later versions of Safari, something has changed, and the extra steps to make the website (or more likely the hosting site) accessible to older browsers haven't been taken. But that doesn't necessarily mean there's a problem with the encryption itself, or in security.

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 11:28 AM

Yep. My old browsers can make https connections to a lot of websites - in particular, those where security does matter, like EBay and airline booking services. It seems to be sites which only serve public data where security should be irrelevant that make a fuss. (Imgur, Tumblr and Flickr are other examples).

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: DaveRo
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 11:37 AM

Anglo wrote: But isn't it likely the problem is not the encryption, but how older browsers deal with current web technology...

mainlynorfolk requires a browser/operating system that supports TLS 1.2 There's a list here

There may be other reasons why a browser cannot access it. For example it does a redirect (from mainlynorfolk.info to mainlynorfolk.info/folk) which might cause some browsers to choke. But, from a security point of view mainly norfolk is excellent. (I've known for years that it's excellent from the content point of view!)

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: Speedwell
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 12:30 PM

Thanks for the update Reinhard and your continuing good work on this site. Mainly Norfolk is brilliant and well worth a visit.

Subject: RE: Mainly Norfolk: Goodbye and Hello (new URL, 2013)
From: GUEST,Lucky LCS
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 06:22 PM

FYI: Mainly Norfolk lists the great American singer/banjo player and daughter of Don West as "Heady [sic] West." The correct spelling of her name is "Hedy West."