Subject: This parrots dead! From: Eric the Viking Date: 04 Nov 99 - 04:23 PM You asked for a Monty Python thread- Well here it is. I am sure that many of us need to get it off our chests. To do this I have one weapon! My undying sense of humour and my love of python- Sorry my 2 weapons are my love of python, my undying sense of humour and my recall of favourite python moments-Sorry- my 3 weapons are................ And surely "I'm a lumberjack" must rank high in folk songs performed all over the world. In fact at the Fylde folk festival it was performed with Gusto!! and some onther folk singers-Now where di I put that that man? Oh yes on the television.............. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Bert Date: 04 Nov 99 - 04:27 PM Monty Python - A cheap vulgar imitation of "The Goon Show" |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Steve Latimer Date: 04 Nov 99 - 04:31 PM Oh, a Python detractor, I expected that about as much as I expected the Spanish Inquistion. Cheddar? We don't get much call for that around here.
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Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Bert Date: 04 Nov 99 - 04:32 PM "No one expects The Spanish Inquisition" |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: MMario Date: 04 Nov 99 - 04:36 PM Try growing up in guilt ridden New England....you don't expect the spanish inquisition because you live with it day in and day out |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Nov 99 - 04:45 PM How dare you! - there is nothing at all that could come close to the Sainted Goons! You dirty rotted swine you, you can't do that to me, I am an East Finchley type boy scout!!! The only record (of about 300) that my husband and I had in common when we married, was the Ying Tong Song..... Does that say anything about us? Monty Python is very nearly equal to the Goons, there is nothing cheap or vulgar about it, well, OK maybe rude, but you have to put it into perspective, the Goons were still dealing with a very post war audience, still rationed and with very obvious wounds of war, either visible, invisible, physical, mental or material. They opened up a half an hour when you could totally disregard what had happened that day, when nonsense was allowed free reign, and the strict regime of scrimp and save could be abandoned for a while. I grew up with things like the Not the 9 'o' clock News, and The Young Ones, now they were cheap and vulgar! Something like that 25/45 years ago would have been totally incomprehensible. The Goons never used obscene language, the Pythons used only what would be termed the mildest of swear words now, until the films extended their vocabulary. And don't forget, the Goons themselves are fans of Monty Python, even to the extent of Spike appearing in Life of Brian. OK, getting off high horse now, don't forget, we are all individuals! LTS |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Bert Date: 04 Nov 99 - 04:53 PM I think it's vulgar when someone brings in a sack which is supposed to contain his mother's body and they decide to eat it. Extremely tasteless and very distressing for viewers who were newly bereaved. Bert. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Metchosin Date: 04 Nov 99 - 04:55 PM Gee guys, I was just going to add an "Oscar Myer Weiner" to the "what do you want to be when you grow up" thread. Should I botch up a submission to the DT again and submit "all things dull and ugly, all creatures short and squat" or is it already there |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Nov 99 - 05:06 PM Don't know about that, but I'm rather fond of the Noel Coward parody (!) from Meaning of Life - after all, it is awfully nice to have a penis..... so I'm told! LTS |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Steve Latimer Date: 04 Nov 99 - 05:08 PM Bert, I agree that Python had some tasteless moments, especially in their latter years, but I think that they were brilliant most of the time and gave us a new way to look at comedy. I've heard some of the Goon stuff and really enjoyed it, but I think although influenced by the Goons were fresh and innovative. I'm not here for an argument though. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Eric the Viking Date: 04 Nov 99 - 05:15 PM Steve-Yes you are, is that the full half hour? |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Bert Date: 04 Nov 99 - 05:20 PM A colleage at work had just lost his wife when that episode aired. I never did watch the show much after that. The introduction was so infantile that it was always a signal to switch channels. They could be amusing at times but I didn't see anything brilliant. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Eric the Viking Date: 04 Nov 99 - 05:41 PM But! Python were no more cheap and vulgar than many other things in History. The brothers Grimm or Hans Christen Anderson told the story of Big Claus and Little Claus who pretended to sell a dead granny and then the other killed his to sell. Many of our folk songs are based on tradgedies, murder, rape and other things that really happened and at the time for individuals things such as this must be painful. Having had both parents and many friends die over the years I have never put a taboo on anything and can usually find something of humour. Humour often comes from looking at the absurd, or tragic and learning to laugh and live with it. Let's not get this too serious and allow ouselves to disagree because of the way personal circumstances have affected our lives. Next please! |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: lamarca Date: 04 Nov 99 - 05:47 PM Good evening, it's 5:47 and time for the penguin on top of your television set to explode... |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Nov 99 - 05:47 PM Good point Eric- my brother was killed in a drink driving incident (he was sober and walking), if I let that influence my life, I wouldn't a) drive a car, b) drink anything stronger than flavoured milk or c) dare walk along a street again. He introduced me to Python, mainly because our parents would tell him to turn it off, and that parental taboo is what made it the cult programme it is today, I mean, how many others out there watched it in secret whilst parents were out, or round a friend's house, or fumed in ignorance when they were discovered and forbidden to watch? LTS |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Metchosin Date: 04 Nov 99 - 05:48 PM Well I could have posted "All things Dull and Ugly", but " I didn't have the Latin for it.........." |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: sophocleese Date: 04 Nov 99 - 05:53 PM My parents once decided to take a Monty Python video out of the local library. Some, probably rushed and overworked, librarian had accidentally placed a video of ballet instruction into the case. Result? Mom and Dad spent 15 minutes watching a ballet lesson waiting for John Cleese to show up in a tutu. I enjoyed watching what Monty Python I could as I was growing up but I got tired of hearing the same lines repeated over and over and over and over by my brother and his friends. But then again where else would I get my name? I couldn't call myself Bruce. Sophocleese |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Peter T. Date: 04 Nov 99 - 05:59 PM Wensleydale? Double Gloucester? Edam? yours, Peter T. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Nov 99 - 06:16 PM Ha you think that it was an accident!! I may well have been that over worked, rushed librarian, and I can say now without fear of reprisals (I've already been sacked for being off sick too much with asthma, I have nothing to lose), that I have done that DELIBERATLEY!!! Not with Python, but with some slash and gash films we stocked. I slipped in the British Pathe Collection 'A Year to Remember', 1954 was one of my favourite years, along with 1977 (I had to suffer the Bay City Rollers, why shouldn't everyone else!) and 1948. Hee hee hee, manic type laughter and cries of 'a shrubbery, a shrubbery!' I think that I need a lie down now, the thought of John Cleese in a tutu is more than is good for me. Do you think perhaps he has the suspendies and a bra - although I understand this did not translate well across the pond - suspenders being what the British call braces, big thick bits of elastic that go over the shoulders and keep the trousers that essential 3 inches below the nipples. I'm going, before some moistened bint lobs a scimitar at me..... LTS |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: kendall Date: 04 Nov 99 - 06:43 PM There is no way I can compare the Goons to Python, never having seen the Goons, but, Monty Phython and the Holy Grail is still one of the funniest movies I have ever seen. And, if you dont like it...NEE. Of course that bit about a dead mother could be traumatic for one who just lost his mother, but, time equals comedy. As the saying goes..Well, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? Enough time has passed for that to be funny. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Magpie Date: 04 Nov 99 - 07:10 PM In my first band, we had ritual of practicing during weekends. We'd practice and drink on Friday, 'till it was no more point in practicing, and we'd end up watching Python 'till we fell asleep. The same would happen on Saturdays, and on Sundays, we'd need a good, long walk before we could even think about practicing. So we'd swap clothes (one of us was unbelievably tall and skinny, one was just skinny, one rather short and plump, and one just about average) and the we'd go "silly walking" for about three hours up in the woods. Returning, we'd try to practice, but our legs would be so sore from the silly walks, and our jaws so stiff from all the laughing, we couldn't be bothered. Needless to say, we never amounted tomuch! Magpie |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Lonesome EJ Date: 04 Nov 99 - 07:27 PM Monty Python in a Nutshell "does this bus go to Luton?"said the Minister of Running upstairs two-at-a-time and shouting out HaHa Mabel I Caught you."Let me answer that in two ways,"replied the driver,"firstly in my normal voice,and secondly in this sort of high-pitched screechy wail..this bus certainly does not go to Luton!..ahemm..this bus certainly does not go..."At the next stop Winkle and his Flying Cats got on the bus."tell me, Winkle,"I asked,"does the pussy actually fly?""No," replied Winkle,"I fling her." We paused for fifteen minutes while a road crew removed several exploding Scotsmen who had been placed in the roadway, apparently by that nice Mr Hilter,who was so interested in renting bombers by the hour. We were hungry and someone had some cheese. It started innocently enough, but soon we were all dressing up as mice a bit nudge-nudge,wink-winkyour wife?does she go?I mean, is she a goer? Here have some spam and eggs, or spam, scones,eggs and spam, or some chips,spam,sausage,spam,spam..Spam-Spam-Spam-Spam..." |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: alison Date: 04 Nov 99 - 08:07 PM NO, NO, Not the comfy cushions!!!! |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Bill D Date: 04 Nov 99 - 08:25 PM I still think that fellow who tried to jump the English Channel just wasn't training hard enough! (and I have been using "Ni!" as my 'you tried something illegal' sound on my computer for 3 years now..) my wife threatens me when it starts going.."Ni.Ni..Ni...Ni.." I am looking for a .wav of "Bring me a shrubbery!" |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Lonesome EJ Date: 04 Nov 99 - 08:32 PM What was the National Poet of Scotland's name?
"If ye could but see yer way clear |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Caitrin Date: 04 Nov 99 - 08:45 PM I love Monty Python! My parents sat me down with Holy Grail when I was about 12, and I've loved it ever since. My friends and I periodically rent it again just to make sure we remember all the words. And the parrot's not dead, it's just pining for the fjords! |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: catspaw49 Date: 04 Nov 99 - 09:42 PM Well, I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK, but the guy who runs Carol Cleveland's Fan Club is a true psychotic. You need to join "Castle Cleveland" and pay homage to "Her Carolness" so you can get the most obsessive e-mail on the net! Spaw |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Bugsy Date: 04 Nov 99 - 09:44 PM The trouble with died in the wool Python/Goon fans, or any other fans for that matter, is that they seem to think that "ALL" of their material is classic. IMHO, you sometimes have to wade through quite a bit of mediocre stuff before encountering some sparks of brilliance. Having said that, I do think that the Goons were better - Min. Cheers Bugsy |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Tony Burns Date: 04 Nov 99 - 10:13 PM By the way, John Cleese turned 60 about 2 weeks ago. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: alison Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:03 AM ... and has recently had a hip replacement... more useless trivia *grin* |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:28 AM Comedians are hatched like chickens not made like soup. But there are a lot of plastic comics in every entertainment center I know, also and this makes me sick these eeejits copy any thing vaguely funny and repeat it over and over amd over gawd...yeuch. All time favorites, Marx Brothers :0) |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Ana Date: 05 Nov 99 - 02:16 AM Being neither British or US, (NZ actually) I'm in the blessed situation of having both "humour" cultures to compare via TV, whilst belonging to neither. There's a huge difference between the two but I'm at a loss to catagorise them. There seems to be something very bent and whacky about British humour that tickles me (ooh!) in a way that American hasn't yet. I grew up with great dour comedies like "Hancocks half hour" and "Step-toe and Son", and "I Love Lucy" ...waaaah...get my drift? Now I get depressed because I haven't got to see "Red Dwarf" for yonks...now that scene of virtual reality sex was something else!!!! So the Goon show & Monty Python huh? great stuff - I hear that a "Fish called Wanda" was a bomb in the States? Why was that? Ana |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 05 Nov 99 - 04:32 AM Kendall, the whole point is you don't SEE the Goons - how would this translate to the screen?: Seagoon: 'Right Eccles, stand on my shoulders.' Much fumbling and grunting from both Eccles and Seagoon. Seagoon: 'OK, now pull me up!' More fumbling and grunting. Eccles: (strained) 'I'd like to see them do this on TV!' As has been said for many years, listen to the radio, the pictures are better. And for Ana - A Fish called Wanda bombed because it was full of US actors so they expected a) a US slant, and b) US comedy, which is clearly not the same as UK or others. The US remake pilot of Red Dwarf, starring only Bob Llewellyn from the original, never got off the studio floor, because although production was 100 times better, with a bigger budget, there were so many script changes to bring it up/down to US humour levels, that it just flapped around like Rimmer's bottom jaw... And yes, the virtual reality sex scene was something else, but will it ever eclipse the Polymorph episode, where it turns into Listers trolleys and Kryten has to get 'em off....... I raved about this programme before anyone else in my area (deepest darkest rural Wainscotting type place) had even seen it, but then, I've always been a bit ...... strange. Lizthe Squeak |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: kendall Date: 05 Nov 99 - 07:54 AM Down to American standards? did you ever see Barney Miller? or M.A.S.H. ?? top quality humor. Now, I must admit that in the last few years, out tv humor has gone down hill because all the writers are under 30. Its pap for the masses. Thats why I watch Keeping up appearences for instance. (Thank God Benny Hill is no longer on.)He represented the worst of British humor. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Blackcat2 Date: 05 Nov 99 - 09:22 AM Anyone see the "John Cleese in Madagascar hangin' with lemeurs" show on PBS that aired recently? Interesting, relatively funny but I think the best line was when he mentioned that he'd finally been somewhere Michael Palin haden't! pax |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Steve Latimer Date: 05 Nov 99 - 11:22 AM Lets not argue about who killed who. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: John Wood Date: 05 Nov 99 - 11:30 AM After all the Parrot is dead(or should I say deceased)!! John |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Steve Latimer Date: 05 Nov 99 - 11:45 AM STOP THAT F#%KING BAZOOKI PLAYING!!!!!!!!! |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Lonesome EJ Date: 05 Nov 99 - 12:09 PM "A Fish Called Wanda" bombed in America? First I've heard- I thought it was a smash hit. The follow-up, Fierce Creatures, was a deserved bomb, showing that Cleese was quite capable of uninspired drivel just to make a buck. And I agree with Kendall- American sitcoms are often very good. Just a few- Seinfeld, Cheers, Taxi, Barney Miller,Drew Carey Show,Wings, Frazier,Raymond, Dick Van Dyke Show. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 05 Nov 99 - 12:55 PM But Kendall, Benny Hill is going through a huge revivial, purely due to the US market. I hated it then and I hate it now. Besides I did say up to US standards as well, as far as I'm concerned, our house stops on Friday evening, when Friends and Frasier are screened, although I'm afraid Taxi was gladly missed. And as for all those chat show things, like Oprah, Jerry Springer and co, I think they are hysterical, sad, but hysterical!!! And no, I've never seen Barney Miller. MASH was brilliant, but I was spoiled by reading the book first, then seeing the film. After that, there was no element of surprise. If you like reading, try the war memoirs of Spike Milligan. They begin with 'Hitler, my part in his Downfall' I was asked to leave a train carriage, I laughed so much.... Watch out for 'Plunger' Bailey, that's all I can say, no way could HE be invented..... Must go, Simpsons are on in a minute, and it might be one I haven't seen yet..... LTS |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Bert Date: 05 Nov 99 - 12:59 PM Another book that will get you laughing out loud is "Wilt" by Tom Sharpe. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Steve Latimer Date: 05 Nov 99 - 02:25 PM They Call me............................... Tim |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: roopoo Date: 05 Nov 99 - 05:37 PM Rolling in a bit late here, but did anybody just see that flying sheep....? Nah, it was merely plummeting! By the way, what exactly DID John Cleese say about the Lemurs? 'blah, blah blah.. but a bit dim' was the most I got out of it when I saw it last. mouldy |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Eric the Viking Date: 05 Nov 99 - 05:47 PM Burn the witch! |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Steve Latimer Date: 05 Nov 99 - 05:52 PM We did do the nose. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Eric the Viking Date: 05 Nov 99 - 05:56 PM True that not all great works by anybody are great just because. I always believe that Jimmi Hendrix was one of the greatest guitarists that ever lived, but quite a few of his tracks were rubbish. That however does not detract from overall greatness. Take the goons! Who could ever believe that Ireland floated away from England? It's obvious it drifted over and down from North America and Canada!! By the way. There are many good books by Tom Sharpe "Wilt being only one, try "The throwback" and two set in south Africa then names of which escape me. "Bring out your dead!" |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Bill D Date: 05 Nov 99 - 06:00 PM (Benny Hill was not supposed to be funny...*wink*...it was mostly an excuse for his preoccupation with half-dressed women...) |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: roopoo Date: 06 Nov 99 - 03:46 AM Eric: the two Tom Sharpes set in S.Africa are "Riotous Assemby" and "Indecent Exposure". My copy of the former has the novelty of a sticker on the front which reads "Now Unbanned". Unique,eh? Guess where I bought it? We couldn't dance Morris in the street out there for risk of being arrested for the same. If more than 4 people were gathered, they got a bit twitchy. I bought the second one in Botswana. mouldy |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Micca Date: 06 Nov 99 - 07:56 AM My Great-niece was thrown out of her Religous Education class and her mother written to, by the school for teaching her class " All things dull and Ugly" and they sang it in school assembly from the stage ,word perfect.I don't know where she got the text, He says, adopting an innocent expression and whistling tunelessly as he drifts away, well, every child is SUPPOSED to have an Uncle who buys/ supplies/ explains the things that parents don't. |
Subject: RE: This parrots dead! From: Amaranth Date: 06 Nov 99 - 10:20 AM Does inclusion of this discussion mean that Bonzo Dog Doo Dah band is folk music? |
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