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GUEST,Fred McCormick 21 Mar 13 - 07:21 AM
Vic Smith 21 Mar 13 - 09:08 AM
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Subject: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 07:21 AM

Footstomping are advertising a "new" Jeannie Robertson, well actually a reissue of Scottish Ballads and Folk Songs (Prestige LP INT 13006) Scottish Ballads and Folk Songs. The really good news being that you can obtain it from them for £4.99 plus p/p for one week only. Check it @ .

Here's the track list.

A Aul' Man Cam' Coortin' Me
Son David (Child No. 13)
Wi' My Rovin' Eye
The Deadly Wars
Tak' the Buckles Frae Your Sheen
The Laird O' Dainty Doon-by
Ten O'clock is Ringing
Twa Bonnie Black Een
Johnny the Brine (Child No. 114)
The Laird O' Windywa's
Soo Sewin' Silk
I'm a Man Youse Don't Meet Every Day
A Maiden Come from London Town
Aberdeen Street Games and Songs


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: Vic Smith
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 09:08 AM

Tempting, even though I don't really need it as my vinyl version is still in very good condition.
The last track has Jeannie joined by her daughter Lizzie Higgins - her first appearance on a released record, though the fact that she was only allowed to sing bairns' sangs was always something of a bone of contention to Lizzie as though she thought that her mother thought that was all she was fit for.
Incidently, can anyone give a definite date of release of the original Prestige International disc? The album notes and label do not give a date and I've seen it dates of the internet as 195? and circa 1960. I'm wondering if the album is now out of copyright and that is the reason for this re-issue.


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 10:34 AM

1960, according to this .

The expiry date of UK coypright recordings has been altered from 50 to 75 years, so that won't be the reason.


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: Vic Smith
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 11:07 AM

Fred wrote:-
"The expiry date of UK coypright recordings has been altered from 50 to 75 years, so that won't be the reason."


However, Prestige is an American company - the album was recorded by an American, Alexander Folkarde, and the album was produced by a Scot - Hamish Henderson- and an American - Ken Goldstein - and all the songs are registered as "Traditional".

Furthermore, at the US government help page on length of copyright it says:-


For works first published prior to 1978, the term will vary depending on several factors.

so the copyright position on this album is likely to be confusing, to put it mildly.


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: Vic Smith
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 11:14 AM

The Footstompin' site that Fred refers to in his OP does not make it clear which label the CD re-issue is on.


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 11:52 AM

Vic Smith. "The Footstompin' site that Fred refers to in his OP does not make it clear which label the CD re-issue is on."

True. I dug that information out via a good old surf of the Internet, as Andrew Neil insists on calling it.

Regarding US coypright, I just can't comment. It is however published by a company called Quality Classics, which seems to be a subsidiary of Footstomping. At any rate, they're now claiming the copyright, and I've have thought that meant it came under UK law. In which case the seventy year rule would apply. But WTH. If they've found some way round US copyright law, then more power to their elbow.


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 11:55 AM

Sorry, that comment about Andrew Neil should have read Interweb, not Internet. It's a whimsical joke which he parades every time he appears on tv. And anyway, I should have said Neal, not Neil.


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 02:29 PM

Footstompin also reissued the RIVERSIDE Jeannie Robertson LP
(RLP 12-633) in 2011. It was a CD-R, and had attrocious sound - obviously copied from a well worn copy of the disk, with no annotations.
It would honor Jeannie if some enterprising organization would undertake to gather the major Robertson LP's on a couple of CD's - actually pressed CD's with significant annotations.
Best wishes, Thomas.


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 09:46 AM

The disc arrived this morning and I'm extremely disappointed. Like the earlier reissue, which I hadn't previously known about, this is a CDR, not a CD. The sound quality is atrocious. There's not much surface noise, but it sounds like it's been recorded using a old tin bucket for an echo chamber.

On top of that there are no sleeve notes and the package doesn't even include an inlay card.

Ok., Fair enough. One could argue that Musical Traditions releases are home produced on CDRs' but Rod Stradling's work is priceless compared to this.

Ah well. Once shit on, twice pass by.

I agree with Thomas. There's a large stack of recordings of traditional singers in the old Riverside and Prestige catalogues. They deserve to be re-released to a standard which at least compares with, or better still, surpasses, the qaulity of the originals.

If anyone wants to know what can be done with LPs of that age, take a look at Fellside's Bramble Briars & Beams of the Sun by A.L. Lloyd, or Topic's Ballads by Ewan MacColl.

Both come from the 9 LP set of Child Ballads which MacColl and Lloyd recorded for Riverside in the mid 1950s. I can't speak for Fellside, except to say that it's a marvellous production. However, I was responsible for producing the MacColl Topic release, and I can vouch for the atrocious condition the LPs were in before Topic's engineer got to work on them.

Is Jeannie Robertson worthy of any lesser consideration?


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 11:22 AM

Oh bugger ... I've just bought it!
You are right Fred - Jeannie Robertson (and others) deserves better than this and certainly the sort of CD treatment you mention ..... except that it's got to be financially viable to the producer. And .. apparently, the CD is dead.... no high street shops, Amazon's cut price deals at the expense of the producer, young people downloading everything they want to listen to... I say apparently because (as a magazine editor) I still get lots of CDs for review, including lots from young artists (who are not always singing folk songs, even with a fairly wide definition). Topic of course are doing downloads of the back catalogue with free downloadable sleeve notes. Rounder stopped their lomax series (fortunately, I'd already bought most of the UK recordings they put out). And there are lots of recordings of Jeannie on the Kist of Riches website. What will the future bring? Who knows!


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: Vic Smith
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 05:02 PM

So it sounds like my fears about copyright expressed earlier were well founded.

Fred wrote:-
"It is however published by a company called Quality Classics"


In view of the comments above from respected figures like Derek, Fred and Thomas, would it be pertinent to ask what sort of "Quality" they had in mind?


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 12:23 PM

Vic. The worst kind imaginable.

Derek. Sorry. I should have contained my enthusiasm until I'd had a chance to look at the finished product.


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 06:04 PM

Fred ... not your fault.... I shouldn't have been so hasty! ... Derek


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 07:06 PM

Might be an idea to post a review of it to the Footstompin site (at Fred's first link).


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Subject: RE: New Jeannie Robertson CD
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 11:56 AM

Derek. Quite so, but you'd think in these days of consumer protection, that nasty little rip offs like this were a thing of the past.


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