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BS: Militant atheism has become a religion

GUEST,Musket evolving slowly 29 Jul 13 - 02:51 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 Jul 13 - 10:15 AM
GUEST 29 Jul 13 - 10:52 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 29 Jul 13 - 11:16 AM
Steve Shaw 29 Jul 13 - 12:37 PM
GUEST,Musket the co Messiah 29 Jul 13 - 02:38 PM
Dave the Gnome 29 Jul 13 - 03:20 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Jul 13 - 06:25 PM
Dave the Gnome 30 Jul 13 - 08:48 AM
Dave the Gnome 30 Jul 13 - 09:56 AM
Steve Shaw 30 Jul 13 - 06:19 PM
Steve Shaw 31 Jul 13 - 08:55 PM
GUEST,Musket confused 01 Aug 13 - 03:16 PM
Steve Shaw 01 Aug 13 - 06:54 PM
Musket 02 Aug 13 - 03:56 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Aug 13 - 04:41 AM
Ron Davies 02 Aug 13 - 10:19 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Aug 13 - 03:38 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Aug 13 - 07:12 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Aug 13 - 12:09 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 Aug 13 - 02:21 PM
Ron Davies 03 Aug 13 - 04:01 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Aug 13 - 06:39 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Aug 13 - 09:15 PM
GUEST,Musket evolving slowly 04 Aug 13 - 03:28 AM
robomatic 04 Aug 13 - 02:19 PM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 13 - 02:45 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 13 - 07:03 PM
GUEST,Musket sans bingo calling 05 Aug 13 - 01:17 AM
Dave the Gnome 05 Aug 13 - 03:45 AM
GUEST,Musket 05 Aug 13 - 01:05 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 05 Aug 13 - 04:54 PM
Steve Shaw 05 Aug 13 - 08:02 PM
GUEST,Musket curious 06 Aug 13 - 04:59 AM
GUEST,Concerened 06 Aug 13 - 08:58 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 13 - 10:07 AM
GUEST,Concerened 06 Aug 13 - 10:25 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 06 Aug 13 - 10:35 AM
GUEST,Musket wondering 06 Aug 13 - 10:41 AM
GUEST,Concerened 06 Aug 13 - 11:19 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 13 - 01:08 PM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 13 - 01:33 PM
Ron Davies 07 Aug 13 - 08:32 AM
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Dave the Gnome 07 Aug 13 - 09:56 AM
Dave the Gnome 07 Aug 13 - 02:22 PM
Ron Davies 08 Aug 13 - 09:06 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 02:51 AM

Seeing Ron Davis posting something he presumably understands, although perhaps I'mnnot thick after all, he could just be talking in tongues. .. makes me wonder, considering we are a religion too.   I wonder if The Archbishop of Canterbury thinks as I am thinking when the Pope nips round for tea and tiffin?

Hey concerned! Wrong again. What hair? I'm a slap head just like them there Harry Krishna dudes. This is a religiosity thread so please check facts and only post truth, just as we do.

Ok.. The GBS reference. Is this a breach of the ceasefire? Mr Shaw was of the Oirish persuasion and lived amongst but not with the Brits. Are you sure you don't mean yourself? Having been sent into exile to live amongst those you nationally look down on? Me? Not even sure I would call myself British. Sure, in the final analysis I am but certainly not one of those odious buggers who fly flags and get misty eyed about tying colonial natives to the mouths of cannons. ..

You did mean George Bernard Shaw didn't you? The only other Shaw should be addressed by you as Messiah Steve and keep your eyes averted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 10:15 AM

I know you are aware of everything, omniscient ones, but I do know that occasionally you like to test your disciples. Have you see the thear about the "Dozens". I opened it to see WTF it was about and was amazed to find the one who whinges about being called Wacko some out with -

Bobert was so ugly his momma had to rub him up with her lard sweat to get the dog to lick him

Have I passed the test, oh Great Ones, and am I being unctuous enough?

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

ever so 'umble...


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 10:52 AM

"The Three Fishes at Mitton"

Now you're talking...


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 11:16 AM

""I know I am younger than you cos I am like you a Messiah so know bloody everything. Everything do you hear?""

'Ee's NOT a Messiah! 'Ee's a very NAUGHTY boy!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 12:37 PM

And he supports Sheffield Wednesday, don't forget.

Who art thou, o Guest, so that we can eulogise together about the finest haddock, chips and mushy peas to be had this side of the ol' panhandle?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket the co Messiah
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 02:38 PM

Talking of getting a panhandle, how did the pictures of Steve Gerrard go? If only a partial success, I think I have some hardcore Keegan and Souness. Let me know, but spare me the details eh?

The David Ford and David Hirst "2 x Dave" set does it for half of Sheffield....


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 03:20 PM

If he supports Sheffield Wednesday, who does he support the other days of the week?

I'll get my cassock...

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 06:25 PM

We 'ad that joke weeks ago, Dave, but, far from castigating you for repeating it, I will congratulate you instead for thinking like a Messiah! Has anyone got no cigar?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 08:48 AM

Phew! I didn't fancy being castigated by a Messiah. We had a cat castigated by a vet and he couldn't walk for 3 days.

'ere. Dropping off Gnomedotters at Burnley Bus Station yesterday and part way there found the road to Colne closed off so we had to divert up some very dodgy roads along the side of the Colne valley. Now, you know I said the other day that we had a spectaular view of Pendle? Well, that was from t'other side of the valley. The view from here was pretty grand as well. Are you giving us some sort of sign, Messiahs? Is Pendle the new Mount Sinai? Have you ever come down it in your Triumph? Is the road to Colne actually the road to Domestos?

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 09:56 AM

I think we should employ this Catholic sign-writer.

Dogs bollocks

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 06:19 PM

Pendle is where one side of my family come from. It is indeed Lancashire's best-kept secret, a worthy outlier of the Dales I think. I can't see myself abandoning Knott End, but perhaps that fine place could be a sort of Walsingham for us. A place of pilgrimage from our Pendle HQ (no sweat: get Ribble Bus via Preston and catch tram from Blackpool. I can always lend you my bus pass). The Three Fishes could be our place of worship, but let's have none of that communion host and gone-off wine full of priest-spit shit: we shall instead feast on the haddock, chips done in dripping and mushy peas (large portion) washed down with a pint or six of Hen Harrier. Naturally, we'll need money, but the church next door has some stuff that'll fetch a bob or two on eBay... How much does lead fetch these days?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 13 - 08:55 PM

Had a phone call from Betty Swollox this affie. She was pretending to be grovellingly apologetic about the bingo fiasco and she offered to wash my messianic feet, Mary Magdalen fashion. Didn't know where to put meself except for keeping my legs crossed. She offered to raise money for our haddock 'n' chips binges at The Three Fishes by selling her body down at Fleetwood docks in full view of Knott End. The poor woman does get confused. However, she rang me at midnight to tell me she'd raised four and sevenpence, less chip money, from just one bloke. It's a start.

Has anyone got the phone number of Fleetwood Royal Infirmary?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket confused
Date: 01 Aug 13 - 03:16 PM

What was she doing over there? I had arranged to meet her in The Bourne Arms and then to have a shag sat on the dustbin of my ex girlfriend in Preesel.

Did I tell you Knott End WMC is the only gig where I actually had some poor old bugger die during my set?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Aug 13 - 06:54 PM

Do you mean Preesall, that place that is almost literally up shit creek sans paddle? Gosh, what an honour to have someone actually die during your gig! I've died a good few times during my own gigs but that one of yours takes the bloody biscuit does that! In order to catch up I'm inviting the inhabitants of every old people's home in Bude to come to our bash at The Tree tomorrow night. One must live in hope.

Heard from Swollox again this morning. She had a somewhat sterile night at Fleetwood docks, raising two and tuppence after deduction for a pint of breakfast shrimps. She was apologising for missing the shag but promised me she would bend over forwards to put things right with you. I suppose you think we still need this woman?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Musket
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 03:56 AM

That's what I typed. F*&king iPad auto corrected it seems. Must be some shit kicking place in the States spelt that way....

Yeah, the ex girlfriend arranged a charity 'do there and I did a turn, sharing with the ubiquitous bingo and a disco. Singing away, oblivious to the world, a bit of a commotion in the corner. Two songs, later, (show must go on...) paramedics could be seen in the corner carrying a stretcher out. (Show must go on.) She was very old, but all the same, to think the last thing the poor old bugger heard was my dulcet tones.... Enough to consider a vow of silence.

You say that one must live in hope. Well, I'm a Derbyshire lad originally, and we have a saying, tha' knows. "I'd rather live in Hope than die in Clay Cross."

We always needs the Betty Swollox of this world. When all around you is misfiring......


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 04:41 AM

My gran once lived in Every Street in Nelson. She dined out for years on that one!


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 10:19 PM

Interestlingly enough, I've just run across a useful contribution to this scintillating debate.   It's in the Washington Post, today or yesterday.   The National Cathedral in DC has a new leader, the Right Rev. Hall (can't remember first name).

Turns out he was sitting at dinner with none other than Richard Dawkins.   Listened to what Mr. Dawkins had to say.   His response:   "I don't believe in the God you don't believe in either".

That's what it boils down to.   The new breed of atheist, several of whom grace Mudcat with their presence, specializes in setting up a straw man, calling it belief in God, then attacking it.

They do not admit that the religious are at least as all over the block as non-believers.    Saying as they do that anybody who is religious believes a string of assertions only held by fundamentalists is precisely as accurate as saying that all atheists have the same beliefs as Hitler, Stalin and Mao, all rabidly hostile to religion.

That is to say:    our beloved atheists, in addition to their other charms, are intellectually dishonest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 03:38 AM

our beloved atheists, in addition to their other charms, are intellectually dishonest. <./I>

What, Ron? All of them?

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 07:12 AM

Saying as they do that anybody who is religious believes a string of assertions only held by fundamentalists...

We don't say that. Also, see boundaries thread, subsection misrepresentation. Anyway, this isn't a debate. Think of it as a massive planning cyber-meeting chaired by two co-Messiahs. And, Ron old boy, we're not even going to let you be an altar boy, so you'll have to put your cassock on eBay won't you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 12:09 PM

BS: Militant atheism has become a religion...only to those who political beliefs think that the state can replace God...as it is now, with help from the NSA, the God/State knows your very private thoughts, and everything you do!
Here's you your Utopia!
BS: Militant atheism has become a religion

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 02:21 PM

""Saying as they do that anybody who is religious believes a string of assertions only held by fundamentalists""

So there you have it folks. Ron thinks that only fundamentalists believe in God!

Don T.

P.S. Sorry to disappoint Ron, but I am moderately certain that that anybody who doesn't believe in God is by definition not religious.

Buddhists and Taoists excepted of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 04:01 PM

"Interestingly enough,...."


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 06:39 PM

Hey, nice to see ya in this thread, guffers! I'm glad you showed up. We'd decided in advance to make you a junior altar boy. Unfortunately, you don't get to wear a cassock (or underwear) until you're a senior, and there's an awful lot of forward-bending involved in shaking that incense jobbie. You OK with that? We do prefer our juniors to shave their pubes though. We're bloody fussy you know. Have you got a pack or two of wet wipes?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 09:15 PM

Hmmm..I see you have issues with altar boys, adolescence, pubes and sex.
What happened?..You were an altar boy, and the priest you wanted to hit on you passed you up??..Now you're blaming God????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 03:28 AM

Hi Goofus!

(Must get a better latch for the play pen....)

Ron Davis reckons anybody who doesn't fall for organised doctrine has a label he recognises as atheist.   Then has the nerve to accuse us, the co Messiahs and associated gnome of fitting his label! Hasn't he been reading? This is an organised religion you prat! It exists! There are noughts and ones in cyberspace relating to it now, so ergo we exist.

Ok. The bingo was a bad call. Getting co Messiah Steve in the same room as Betty Swollox set our seven day creation aims back a bit. Though I suppose having a gnome running round shouting "bollocks" has a spiritual dimension.

All we need to do is work out where Heaven is, (S6 is the postcode clue) and who we intend to crucify, (still reading Goofus? ) and whether we actually need a god in order to behave as pathetic misogynists, and you will find that our religion is every bit as plausible as yours. And it is fresh. 2000 years and you still allow QPR to play Joey Barton. Sodding Jesus. ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 02:19 PM

This is one of the best short reads on the subject of how to define one's unbelief in 'The Deity'

Penn Jillette: This I Believe

As for I, the p.ower of the Lord is evident in various of His Works.

Nothing Personal!


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 02:45 PM

I wouldn't bother, Messiah M. It's too difficult for some.

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 07:03 PM

Now Musket, you know I wasn't in the same room as Betty - the janitor merely showed me the cutlery drawer into which she'd thrown up. Apart from the feet-washing episode (Jeez, her washing water stank a bit...), my only contact with her was the phone call just before her body-selling evening at Fleetwood. Oh, and the phone call next morning in which she declared she was taking half our bloody profits for that shrimp breakfast.

The bingo hall court case is on Tuesday morning by the way. Does anyone know how the bail system works?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans bingo calling
Date: 05 Aug 13 - 01:17 AM

Betty Swollox has signed an affidavit to the effect that you were there. I wouldn't worry though, the local bench all say they know her. Which is better in tense terms than the biblical they knew her. (Do you think our truth book can have euphemisms like that? )

Had a phone call from Back Entry Bertha offering her services if anyone is interested? She comes from Crumpsall which is close to Old Trafford, where I sat watching umpires playing with light monitors yesterday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Aug 13 - 03:45 AM

Is that 'back entry' Bertha Duffy? She used to run onto the pitch at Old Trafford when she was not happy with the umpires decisions and spray a big 'X' on the back of their white coats. She became known as...





Wait for it...




You'll like this, Messiahs...






Duffy the umpire sprayer

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 05 Aug 13 - 01:05 PM

The son of the co messiah was back there again today, lazy sod. He saw them force the draw. I was under the impression he was busy lecturing and writing his PhD. Going to have a word.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Aug 13 - 04:54 PM

""Betty Swollox has signed an affidavit to the effect that you were there. I wouldn't worry though, the local bench all say they know her. Which is better in tense terms than the biblical they knew her. (Do you think our truth book can have euphemisms like that? )""

Of course it can! It isn't called the "Yebbut" for nothing.

It would handle the BS Affidavit by stating ""Yebbut: everybody knows she's a bloody liar""

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 13 - 08:02 PM

"Affidavit"? Now you know Betty and her delusions. She told me in that phone call that she'd "signed an affidavit". Turned out she meant she'd communicated with a friendly deaf bloke called David. Mind you, I might have misheard her as she was using a bitten-off strip of big toe nail to pick bits of shrimp shell out of her dentures at the time.

This Bertha - will she want paying? The magistrate cleaned me out over the bingo hall damages claim this morning. Christian bastard. I have some lead from off of the church near The Three Fishes still if anyone knows a fence. The vicar got my registration, unfortunately, so does anyone urgently want to buy a J-reg Astra?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 04:59 AM

Take it out of the collection plate. That seems to be the traditional way of dealing with the local law.

Don't worry about the Astra. Plenty just like that up there. Just turn the c into an o with a felt tip. No probs. A fiver folded behind your driving licence is the going rate up there should you be asked to produce it.

If all else fails say you are impotent and all seeing. Frighten the buggers into either prostration or giving you a blanket and a hot cup of tea.

Alternatively, ring an anonymous tip off describing pete or Goofus. I think someone's ship is out of port so can't pin it on him. He's been quiet lately and has a truce with me for that matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Concerened
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 08:58 AM

I cannott believe that you load of no marks havent exhausted this subject with your purile smug crap.your are all to cool for school..if any of you actually went.Even the nautical fraud jerk the ssilor ie catching on to you..wake up at the back there!! anf do domething with your itsy, ginger, self satisfied lives..please?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 10:07 AM

"Ginger"? Now, my man, we'll have none of that kind of gingerist discrimination here! Carrot-tops are welcome in The New Truth as long as they're not Scots! The only discrimination here is against women and sailors and you know it! Sheesh! Yebbut! By the way, where's that next batch of medallions, you lazy git?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Concerened
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 10:25 AM

Sad sad and sadder..when are you saddos gonna fess up and admit that you in severe need of mental councilling..also a lesson in manners you prissy vulgerian..dont you call me a lazy git Shaw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 10:35 AM

""do domething with your itsy, ginger, self satisfied lives..please?""

After you Concerened!

Then you should download a spell checker.

Much more to the point than usless attempts at pissing on other peoples parties.

What's your surname, GRINCH?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket wondering
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 10:41 AM

Eyup concerned. Have you just bought an iPad too? Your spelling and grammar is as bad as mine using autocorrect before I edit it.

Mind you, you may just be illiterate. We have to consider that.

If you insist on plugging into this thread, at least buy a copy of our parish magazine. Co messiah Steve has a few copies available. He keeps them under a sack in his potting shed where they can't be found. On the basis that religious text has lots in common with porn. Gives you a taster of what rapturous feelings may be like by showing you others but you need to use your imagination, and feel deflated soon after.

Ginger.... Now that's something you slipped in. Our lack of god loves all, including ginger kids. But how did you work that out? The only copy of our good book (draft) is kept in a pigeon loft somewhere oop North and guarded by an oiled up gnome in a leotard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Concerened
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 11:19 AM

I can still wind you up dt..just throw out the line now and again and in they com
e..this is really to easy ..as for you, you smart arse musket..your crap is really beyond the realms of belief..this is not a spelling site. ..rearange this sentence..glasshouse people throw in shouldnt stones..to hard right?

Nothing left then except get yer thumb worked well up your bum get your mind in neutral then repeat after me..I am a complete and utter bounder and should learn to be more tolerant......

peace and love


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 01:08 PM

Who is winding who up where, C? There is one American phrase that I never really understood until now. Something about shooting fish in a barrel? :-)

And what is this about an oiled up Gnome in a leotard - I said I was getting well oiled and buying a leopard to guard it...

Oh, sorry, forgot that you already knew that! Phew, nearly didn't pass the test there :-(

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 01:33 PM

Lighten up on concerened, guys! This man has qualities, I tell you! OK, OK, his first batch of medallions had us all sitting around for hours filing metal burrs off the edges, but didn't sailor boy look bloody good on the end of that plank! All concerened needs now is to bulk up the production a bit. Even I think we can sell more than three a month...

We need more people with attitood! Even the wrong bloody attitood! Except for Ron and Guffers, who I'm told are both ginger Scots women...


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 08:32 AM

So our illustrious atheists don't like the idea that they have tarred all religion and the religious with the abuses of some.   

I've already pointed out that not all non-believers are guilty of this. Bill D and Amos, for instance, are not.

But there is plenty of evidence on this thread.

I have no more time now, you'll be crushed to learn.

More later.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket getting blasé
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 09:44 AM

More later? Hopefully including an explanation of what the hell he is talking about.

Is Ron trying to join our religion or what? He has shown respect for delusion up till now so there is hope yet that our creed is better for him than the one he follows.

Concerned. Is that you Moo?


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 09:56 AM

So our illustrious atheists don't like the idea that they have tarred all religion and the religious with the abuses of some.   

I'll have you know I am very religious, Mr D, as my posts above illustrate. If anyone is going to tar me they will have to find me first and then be prepared to get some very nasty bites around the kneecap.

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 02:22 PM

I think you are indeed omnipotent, Messiah S (No more so than Messiah M of course...) Thy name will appear by divine guidance in all mudcat threads shortly.

It begins!

BTW, have you ever grown any lettuce or potatoes or any other such stuff. Just a thought. If you had we could be the Farmer, Gun (Musket, gerrit?) and wholly Gnome. If I could be party to such a thing that is.

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 09:06 AM

So now that our esteemed, if somewhat garrulous (about 1,400 entries) posters have rabbited on about any subject with a chance of a tangential connection to the issue, perhaps we can now start to approach the topic methodically.

First, it is clear to me, as I have indicated earlier, that skepticism on religion makes perfect sense;   atheism makes precisely as much sense as fundamentalism, and for the same reason:   both assert more certainty than is justified.    Fundamentalism of course is preferable to atheism, I'm sure you'll agree, since fundamentalism at least states that the believer is to take the idea of certainty on faith. Atheism is not honest enough to do this.
This is of course why atheists are intellectually dishonest.

At any rate, it would be greatly appreciated if all of our illustrious posters who are proud to claim the title, not of United States Marine, but of atheist, would provide a short statement on exactly why they call themselves atheists, not skeptics. And there is a difference.   For elucidation, you are cordially invited to consult your respective dictionaries.

Of course, in common with other Mudcat posters, most notably the honorable Mr. Slingshot, I freely admit I am not perfect.   It is possible that I have missed such a statement given earlier in this riveting thread.   If so, please quote the exact statement. No tome necessary, thank you


That at least should be a start. We can go on from there.


If by some chance you don't feel you want to comply, something about "heat" and "kitchen" comes to mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 10:32 AM

OED Definition

Atheist

noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods:


To disbelive or lack belief in something one has to know what that something is. I, for one, have no idea what it is I am supposed to believe or disbelive in. Is it the god of Christians? Muslems? Jews? Is it the gods that existed before those? Or the ones that may exist after? Give me a definition of god that EVERYONE agrees on and I will tell you whether I believe in it or not.


As to

fundamentalism at least states that the believer is to take the idea of certainty on faith. Atheism is not honest enough to do this.

Nonsense. I have faith in my own reasoning and base my conclusions on that. I am sure everyone has faith in themselves or otherwise they would never believe a thing they said :-)

Besides, there are no Atheists on here. We are all adherants of Ball Lightning and trust in the mercy of Messiahs S&M. Just because you have missed the bus to endless joy and riches you are jelous...

bollocks!!

DtG,C,LBandSPS


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket happy to oblige
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 12:40 PM

Ron. I don't believe that Allah had a magic carpet because I have yet to see magic performed. I don't believe that Mary was a virgin because IVF is a recent advancement in science. I don't believe Noah put all the animals in an ark because he would have forgotten marsupials due to Australia not being on his radar. The RAF who weren't around hadn't developed radar either.

I could go on.

I don't worry over imaginary friends. For Clapton's sake, I imagine my late father is the only listener when I perform, and every song is for him. Whatever floats your boat.

No. My beef is organisations called religions that traditionally try to control society and use some God concept to scare people into submission.

Fuck em. This is the 21st century. Most of us don't need it, have no place for it and as they can't all be right, it follows they can however all be wrong. Not a statistic that allows them to take your money, fuck with your head and give you a sense of guilt.

The masses have soap operas, Simon Cowell and sporting events. The thinkers have the freedom to laugh as they always have but with less retribution shovelled their way.

I'm not an atheist. I have no idea what the score is. My point is that neither does the pope, Archbishop of Canterbury or any other superstition wielding teacher wishing to tell us what to think.

I taught my sons how to think instead. That allows me to sleep soundly at night.



That any good for you?

Don't confuse rejecting out of hand with offering an alternative stance. I respect faith, I don't respect it pushing its nose where it isn't wanted nor needed.

Our faith on this thread may have teething problems but we have a guitar, a harmonica and a musical gnome. More than most religions start with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 01:00 PM

1400!

bollocks!!

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