BS: Militant atheism has become a religion

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 13 - 05:53 PM

Unfortunately just browsed the freedom of sp thread.Anyway Poster little hawk re "death before knowing".Like the Christian how can a man be born again.Something to consider and remember a multitude of people do and have exp this and seen it through.Forget any notions he has or dreams etc look at the PHYSICAL process i think all religions try to deliver this process.No need to reply as it might be a while before i browse again, just something i thought i would throw in the mix for you to consider.Peace n dat       http://www.realitysandwich.com/introduction_u_g_krishnamurti

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 11 Sep 13 - 03:11 AM

Whilst you were swanning in Italy I thought I would get lots of work done for us but keeping to your Italian theme thought I'd do it domani.

Jack never collected the cassock and I have come to realise that if you try to debate with him seriously you get the same defensive bollocks thrown at you as when you called him Seaman Stains or Spunky or Jerk the Sea Cadet or Whacko or any of the other names I promised him I would never use again.

There again he thinks I don't mind lying to Christians so I may have found a legal loophole somewhere. ..

Pop off for my own two weeks of contemplation at the end of the month. Thailand. I will be grateful for the Bible when I get there and especially Genesis. Always look to see if she has an Adams Apple. .....

Interestingly I zoomed over to Jack's asylum choice, The USA for two days last week. Not a holiday though I can tell you. .... luckily I was in the North East bit which is different to our North East. No Geordies but everyone claiming Irish blood in them. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office advise against travel in the deep south. Snakes apparently.

They keep escaping from the churches.



Ithankyouverymuch

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 13 - 07:23 PM

Hellooo? Cannot I, as the Messiah, go away for a week on an idyllic holiday with the missus to a fabulous hotel on the Amalfi coast, spending time in Pompei, Herculaneum, Capri, Ravello and Positano, not to speak of right up Vesuvio, consuming the most amazing seafood, pizza and pasta, washed down with Lacrima Christi grown and fermented on the very slopes of the aforementioned brooding volcano, without the thread languishing in the mire? Wherefore art thou all, pretenders?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 13 - 04:17 PM

A religion is only of value if it delivers spiritual/energetic enlightenment, a process that physically happens to the human body when it is in the right state."dont knows" have it happen to them too btw.
    The enlightenment i am referring to is when you have navigated what other cultures call the kundalini.Whilst certain corners of our society understand this,for some reason it is not common knowledge.Happened to me naturally no practices.My key to this happening was learning to breathe and eating clean..period (selfless attitude at the time was a necessity too when i think about it.Anybody elses notion of Source/God you have heard will still not of prepared you for the vast awesomeness of it. peace n dat

research the kundalini understand it and you will see it is where all religion comes from.Then if you have a year or two have a go.I never had a choice but highly recommend it for those that are ready and have the space to consider this.It has happened to many all through our history.Oh and while it is obviously a human experience because it is a human being having it,it is more of an energetic realisation than a human one..so Gods not humanly personal and all this verbage is irrelevant so..best i finish...you may deride at your leisure but for the few that it resonates with go looky i no lie.
C'mon if Mr Russel Brand can suss this i'm sure some here can.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Sep 13 - 02:35 PM

Here are some questions offered to elevate the discussion on this thread.

Let's say for the sake of discussion that militant atheism is a religion.

To what god does this militant religion obey or pray to?

If it is a militant religion, does this mean it is a "bad" religion and should be censured?

Does this mean that any militant religion should be censured and attacked?

Should there be militant Protestant/Catholic, Judaic/Islamic, wars as well as Non-belief/Belief ones?

Is religion something that should never be criticized and held as somehow sacrosanct because it is a religion? How about the Crusades or beheadings in Islamic countries?

Atheists (militant or not) are attacked all the time. Does this mean that those religious adherents who do so are intolerant? (Rhetorical question, of course they are).

Are all "militant" atheists necessarily "anti-theist"?

Why are some militant atheists self-proclaimed agnostics and others not?

What rituals, rites, ceremonies, oblations or other church events do militant
atheists practice that make them militant atheists a religion?

Does saying that one is a Protestant mean that they automatically deride
Catholics? Does saying that one is a passionate (read militant) non-believer mean that they deride believers?

Can militant atheists be considered holy? If they are a militant religion
then why not? Can there be a Saint Dawkins, Saint Hitchens or can they be popes
or monsignors or priests? Is that acceptable to those who attack atheists?

What bible do the militant atheists follow? The gospel according to Hitchens or
Dawkins or Harris? (They all differ if you bother to read them).

Do militant atheists believe in "just wars" like some Catholics do?

Anyone care to recite a militant "atheist prayer"?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 05 Sep 13 - 09:03 AM

shaw you are getting incredibly boring..BTW my bottom is like a perfumed little peach..not that you would ever get near it.

I agree Crayons are getting passe....a few lego bricks on there way to you..snugger fit.

Talking about repetitive, don't gnomey ever get fed up of his "bollocks" scenario..I am afraid I am

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 08:11 PM

Trouble with you, concerened old dear (or are you an actual girl, I can't decide), is that you're tending to be a tad repetitive. Now you accuse us of not having a sense of humour, yet you prattle on interminably with your crayon "joke". You appear to think that this is witty/funny/sarky, but, truth is, you're just like a little kiddie who thinks he's found summat funny then bores everyone around him to death with it until his mum finally snaps and gives him a bloody good clip. Yes, the anal crayon-chewing concept is potentially hilarious, but, owd lad, you don't know when to stop! So stick that up your unwashed, smelly, chocolate-covered bottom and chew it! Preferably a purple one. I always hated purple ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 10:47 AM

Nah, I didn't have a pen't'cost it out and felt he was not spirited enough :-)

Hey! It must be rubbing off. Though what I will find underneath I'm not sure...

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket struttin'
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 10:04 AM

Yo! Love me love my dog!

Notice that fellow Messiah and associated gnome? You've either got it or you ain't. This here concerned chap, he recognises talent, I'll give him that much.

Whether I'd give him a pint or one of my pork scratchings, well that's another story.

Here Dave! Did you get him to sign a contract for the scriptures? If he has had his advance, we may have to get a Holy Ghost writer to finish it.



Ithankyouverymuch

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 08:30 AM

See, there he goes again! Just when you think he is right for the job he goes and says something half sensible.

Conc, you really need to get a grip if you want the scripture job back. No good applying for the medallion man position again, you've blown that, but if you consistently talk gibberish you may be in with a chance as editor in chief of the Yebbut.

assorted yeggs, psudo intellectuals, ginger fakes, pussy liberals, prancing prudes, right wing cake eaters and biscuit chomping Mail readers.

is perfect. Just the right amount of seemingly real but in truth nonsense words.

What you need to do, is get a sense of humour.. something sadly lacking here.

Is sadly lacking your usual delusory element and will not do at all. Although, I must admit, it does hold a certain amount of irony coming from someone who does not know the difference between laughing with him and laughing at him.

Just who did mention crayons first BTW and what have you got against Aardvarks?

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 07:26 AM

Stringsinger dont come on here breaking our balls about what we can do or not do..we do not need your type of thread policing.

What you need to do, is get a sense of humour.. something sadly lacking here.

I completely disagree with you barnacle balls , this thread keeps active because of people like me exposing frauds like yourself and the buffoon shaw, the smug prig gnomey and all the assorted yeggs, psudo intellectuals, ginger fakes, pussy liberals, prancing prudes, right wing cake eaters and biscuit chomping Mail readers.

I must admit there is some basis of an argument with strange people around like musket and all his secret friends...although weird he is v amusing in another planet sort of way.. but so I guess is his dog.

BTW shaw I dont think you have seen me off, your inane comments prove that.

How are the crayons working out. or up with your little chums.. got loads more waiting..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sanctimonious as a sailor
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 02:29 AM

Rock on my nautical brother!

Thought you had gone off for a period of reflection, like the last Pope or that Scottish Bishop.

We've kept your cassock waiting. Hope it still fits, we had to boil wash it after the bingo incident and Steve's inability to see the goodness in Betty Swollox.

You will be pleased to know our religion now has acknowledged respectability through the many clever people here on Mudcat.org. We also have our heaven and unlike some, ours exists. It is called Knott End and from where you are, you can gaze East over the ocean towards it.   Ok there are a few peat bogs and leprechauns in the way but at least you can take a bearing on heaven, which is more than some religions offer.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:14 PM

Jeez, we have our numero uno altar boy back!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 04:25 PM

Stringsinger please don't take this as twisting your words but this thread does not stay current because Joe allows it. That belief of yours is certainly not evidence based.

This thread remains current because Steve and Musket perpetuate it.

I am sure that you can start a thread on the topic of "non= belief" whenever you want and it will last as long as people are willing to post to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket in canine mode
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 04:07 PM

Don't diss my dog, that's all.

He is deeply superstitious and can prove it. He, as I have pointed out, licks balls he doesn't have, won't go in the house in front of me, but will assert his authority and barge in in front of Mrs Musket, he only accepts gravy bones from me after performing a shit on his walk but will happily accept them any time from the owner of his friend Cracker.

Trust me, the dog and I have conversations that far exceed some of the Pillocks on Mudcat. I can even concede a point to the dog whilst some of the more weird people posting fail to impress. Luckily, most of them have left this thread or never found it.

Non belief is not based on evidence. Ask a young lass in a pub what her evidence for non belief is and get the answer you deserve.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 03:25 PM

Stringsinger, this thread was long ago hijacked (for its own good, I'd claim) by a bunch of blokes who have found another way of taking the piss out of organised religion. We're seeing off po-faced gits like Ron, Wacko and concerened left, right and centre. That's all!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 01:28 PM

I believe that anyone who isn't superstitious has a conviction that guides their reasoning.

Nope, sorry. I am not superstitious as in religious but I am superstitious about some things. No conviction, not even reasoning. Just something that I do or don't do. Pretty much like which shirt I put on in the morning. If I wear the pink one is it because I have reasoned out that pink may get me promoted? Using Muskets earlier reasoning, if I order a curry from the Indian is it because I don't like Chinese food? What deep seated religious conviction makes me put my left shoe on before my right?

Sorry there are some things that I really don't give a shit about. Whether there is or is not a god is one of them.

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 12:56 PM

"Problem is Stringsinger, you work on the basis that anybody who isn't superstitious makes a stance on superstition by default. That is not the case."

I don't agree with this statement. I believe that anyone who isn't superstitious has a conviction that guides their reasoning. A dog is not a reliable source for an intelligent conversation about this issue.

The reason I keep contributing to this thread is my vain hope that something intelligent or enlightening might be revealed here. Since this is the only thread that Joe will allow, I feel that I can at least circumvent some of the crude and stupid statements being made as accusatory and present a sane point of view.

I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. One of the most important aspects of a discussion is a legitimate attempt at an honest communication. Twisting my words and trying to do a oneupsmanship attempt in ridiculous sarcastic argumentation is a futile endeavor.

I believe that non-belief is a conviction based on evidence. I am not as implied here trying to proselytize for a new religion. That's simply not true.

I think that this topic is important and this thread is the only one allowed on Mudcat
to address it.

"Militant atheism" as a generalization is misunderstood by some and is a misleading concept that is not attributable to every non-believer. What is militant to some is benign to others. Dawkins appears aggressive to those who he has critically challenged but in fact if you follow his lectures and bother to read his books you will find someone who is quite understanding in his humanity and has an open mind as befitting a true scientist.

He does react to injustice by fundamentalist religious groups who commit violence in the service of their "faith". He has been known to sit through prayers by his friends of the
Anglican faith withholding any criticism he might have.

An avoidance of this issue portends the further meanness and vituperative "war" that results in a lack of understanding. I choose to meet it head on here in hopes that there will be some genuine exchange of information.

I think that Pete, Joe and Steve have attempted to do this by offering a sincere history of the background that attends their ideas. I have found that useful information.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:36 AM

I'm all for it Messiahs. I have the big chopper ready and poised to remove peoples bodies from just above the knees. If you need me to aim higher I shall await your gift of a winged Pegasus, a tallish donkey or an Irish Wolfhound with a saddle.


Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:28 AM

As I hinted before, it sounds like a conflation of suet pud. Or, in concerened's case, a conflatulence.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:18 AM

""This thread just gets more and more bowel wrenchingly embarrassing.

The amazing thing is you psueds think you are being so smart with your half digested crap that you smugly think passes for humour!!""

The thread isn't going away, so the answer would seem to be obvious to the meanest intellect (you would be in there somewhere).

If you find this or any other thread so offensive, why not go and jerk off somewhere else.

Staying here tends to the conclusion that you aren't as smart as you think.

And psued is spelt pseud!

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:39 AM

Let's bring it in at least before those on my shit list die of old age?

I have myself a little list. ..

Where's the fun in being a Messiah if you can't befall your dire prognostications on God botherers, bigots, Sheff Utd fans and banjo players?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:23 AM

Surely a few hundred years is quite soon for a deity such as yourself, Messiah S? But let me know if it is sooner and I shall ride out to smite unbelievers with righteous indignation and a bloody big axe...

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:17 AM

Don't want to join ours? Simple - Don't. We won't try to force you. Well, not for a few hundred years yet...

Er, I was thinking of bringing in coercion quite soon, actually...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 03:42 AM

Stringsinger. If you believe this thread should be retired why contribute to it? Far from it becoming a shouting match or having no intelligent ideas it has become a call to join a new religion. Idiocy? Yes, but no more idiotic than most other religions. Do you post on any other religious thread to say theirs are idiotic? Don't want to join ours? Simple - Don't. We won't try to force you. Well, not for a few hundred years yet...

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 01:13 AM

Well welcome to our crazy world then.

In our crazy world, atheism is not a conviction, and is a term used by people with faith to single out those who don't have faith.

My dog actually has reasoned his position on faith, otherwise he wouldn't keep trying to lick the balls he doesn't have.

This thread could last as long as any other religion, seeing how it passes the test of hosting one. Granted we haven't got around to starting any wars yet, but take my advice and don't try spilling the gnome's pint.

Problem is Stringsinger, you work on the basis that anybody who isn't superstitious makes a stance on superstition by default. That is not the case. Our village, not that small, has about 1500 people. I have been informed that the church gets a congregation of about 20. By your definition, the rest have thought about it and came up with reasons to dismiss it? By that standard, the owners of the Chinese takeaway should be able to survey those who don't buy from them to find out why they thought about chicken chow mein before rejecting the idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 07:28 PM

Whenever you take a position on anything, this is a conviction. Dogs don't reason abstractly.

If you take a position that atheism has become a religion, that is a conviction.
If you take the opposite position, that is a conviction although in my opinion a more useful one.

The problem with threads like this is they trade on generalizations. The reason for
this thread is manifestly a diatribe against atheists who are outspoken.

There are no intelligent ideas now coming out of this thread and it should be retired.

I see no point of agreement or anyone changing their minds on this issue. It has turned into a battle for which there is no point. It's this kind of animosity that create wars.

This idiocy has turned into a shouting match.

Steve, you are wasting your breath. No one here will be swayed by your defense.

The religious advocates here are also wasting their breath. Nothing has been said by
any one of them that has changed my mind.

I think this thread was dead in the water when it was introduced. Sensible people have abandoned the field and left it to the crazies.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 04:45 PM

Gone a bit quiet haven't you?

Heheh. he waited precisely 50 minutes after his last post to post this. This guy (or is it a girl?) clearly thinks we all sit around waiting for his next inane pronouncement so we can immediately comment on it. Get over it, concerened. You don't count! And next time you pronounce yourself to be out of someone's league, do yerself a favour and say something sensible first!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 08:09 AM

you are all way, way, way out of my league.

Probably the only true words you have ever posted, conc. How are things in the junior asylum cup?

I said before Messiahs and I will say it again. His ramblings could be directly from scripture. This level of delusion would be a huge asset to us. If only he would be a bit more inconsistent his ramblings as well as growing the huge beard and living in a cave. But I am not sure if he is old enough to grow a beard and living in a cave depends on whether the local health service can spare enough live-in minders.

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 07:34 AM

Is v average better than average?

I reckon he reached the vinegar stroke during that last post. ...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 07:15 AM

Gone a bit quiet haven't you? ..I told you before.. you are all way, way, way out of my league.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 06:35 AM

You lot really are a set of posing thickos!!!!!.Being so cool, anal, smug and self righteous, you have all missed the point.


So goddamn smart first you all identify me as a troll, then keep feeding me the lines..dead smart...I dont think.

DUUUUUhhh!! How would I know? shaw from your own lips and again in writingDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHH....more crayons on me way to you.
Now whos the bloody big kid?

You all started of pretty well but now....................v. average..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sanctimonious as a sailor
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 01:01 AM

Aw! I really wanted a new friend too.   I broke the last one.

I wonder if we are hearing voices in our heads? Or at least reading them?

He could be the true Messiah you know, and seriously pissed off at our craven imagery.

Hang on, I'm getting a revelation.   Here it is! He IS of the cloth! Just worked it out. He comes across as a kiddie fiddler.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 03:35 PM

He's just trying to get his job back. I am very tempted at the moment. He is certainly deranged enough to pen the holy scriptures but, unfortunately, keeps making a pigs ear of it by going too far. I don't think we would have any credibility at all if people did not believe his book could be grounded in science...

What do you call a Welsh farmer who keeps goats?

Bisexual :-)

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 12:52 PM

Tell you summat else about him, Dave. We must have really got his goat now cos he keeps coming back almost daily to do a bit of bluster. None of that once-a-week trollish drop-in stuff like before!

Speaking of goats, where are we on sacrificial stuff? Don't ask me to find virgin nanny-goats, though. Not here in Cornwall...drew a blank in Wales as well...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 12:52 PM

Tell you summat else about him, Dave. We must have really got his goat now cos he keeps coming back almost daily to do a bit of bluster. None of that once-a-week trollish drop-in stuff like before!

Speaking of goats, where are we on sacrificial stuff? Don't ask me to find virgin nanny-goats, though. Not here in Cornwall...drew a blank in Wales as well...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 08:32 AM

This guy really is wonderful. Shame about the cock-ups he makes which have lost him the writing and medallion jobs. Absolutely no idea of irony. Who else could say

ome of us don't feel the need to shout from the rooftops about what we have done

A mere 5 posts after stating

done all that and more...... but I also improved working conditions through our trade union movement, so people didn't have to use bare hands to do tasks.

Absolute genius. Should be writing for TV. Still hasn't mentioned the aardvarks though. The other thing is that he so obviously dislikes something (or someone) but keeps coming back so he must love the principles we stand for!

He would make a wonderful prophet and us a wonderful profit. Conc, Do you think you could grow a huge beard and live in cave for weeks on end? If the warders will let you out of course.

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 07:45 AM

Don't think you was very effective as a Rep, btw.

Blimey, what a bloody big kid. And how would you know?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 05:30 AM

No need to get snippy shaw, nothing vague about me.... some of us don't feel the need to shout from the rooftops about what we have done.

Don't think you was very effective as a Rep, btw. Especially If you lose your cool like you do....and in writing!!!I bet the gaffers just loved you!!!!

gnomey, I just knew you was a NALGO member,bloody gaffers organisation..class traitors all of you.Extra pointed crayons on the way to you.

musket, don't even think about sllthering round me, people may think we are friends.

Can you other buffoons pass the used crayons on to musket.Or maybe form a circle and.....well you get the picture?

Have a nice day, you hear,,,,and lets be careful out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 03:06 PM

Hey! He is a clever bloke after all. Divide and conc-er :-) Could be the start of a whole new religious war.

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket struttin'
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 12:23 PM

He DOES just mean you two! Ergo he thinks I am one cool dude.

I think you misunderstand this concerned character. He seems to like me. Respect!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 07:33 AM

That's more like it, conc! Back in the realms of fantasy again. Keep it up and you may get your job as creative writer back.

To belong to a trade union you need to have a number of people working in the same trade. I am pretty sure that whatever trade you work at is pretty unique and I doubt very much if you can start a union of one.

Me? Followed my Dad into UCATT and then went to NALGO before that became Unison and lost it's teeth. Was active until I was 40-odd and then joined the ranks of the paid loads to do bugger all with Computers :-)

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 07:04 AM

Yeah well I wasn't bleating about working conditions, I've been an active trade unionist for 40-odd years, put my bloody neck on the block organising both official and unofficial action, served on the union's regional committee for years trying to get right-wingers off their fat controlling self-serving arses and picketed schools at six in the morning, so you can sod off with your vague bloody bragging can't you!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,concere
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 06:52 AM

Yeh shaw, done all that and more...... but I also improved working conditions through our trade union movement, so people didn't have to use bare hands to do tasks.

What I didnt do was bleat about shit working conditions,and take your holier than thou attitude and do nothing.

We can all talk about how crap stuff is or was, some of us do something about it.We dont spend all day being so smug and self satisfied with our little in jokes and half arsed opinions that you and your psued friends seem to get huge satisfaction over

What I do not do EVER is snipe at peoples educational attributes as you and your other smug, head up arse chums do.

More crayons on the way.

Oh by the way shaw when you have chewed on em well, pass them on to the fraud gnomey will you.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 04:06 AM

Can't be professional, surely Messiah S? Would that not entail getting paid for it? I certainly would not pay for such a poor service.

Ahhhh - Gotcha. Just realised that you were, once again, being munificent. We do need to help the needy if we are to continue with this 'ere superstition lark. That we we could have collections for the terminally stupid and cream off some dosh, err, sorry, take our fair expenses.

Phew, nearly gave the game away there but I don't think anyone noticed.

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 02:03 AM

Didn't put him down as an Irish ex pat myself.

Here, this co Messiah stuff is getting spooky.   I jammed with a band last night and sang "Thousands are Sailing. "

Mind you, they had Theakstons Old Peculiar on draught and I wasn't driving. I think, and I could be wrong, we finished the set with Jerusalem. So if this new religion lark takes off, and it is in need of a good woman to do so, I seem to be getting the hang of superstition.

I note the concerned one said "you two." Can't work out whether he sees the wisdom of one of us after all or he is being openly gnomist?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 13 - 07:58 PM

As a matter of fact I've done shelf-stacking. Lots of it. And weeding with my bare hands. Mopping floors, scraping maggot-infested fat from mincing machines, burying the dead, scrubbing terracotta pots clean with me bare hands for days on end. Tell us what you've done, concerened.


Did you work upon the railroad
Did you rid the streets of crime
Were your dollars from the white house
Were they from the five and dime?

Or are you just a professional troll?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Aug 13 - 02:41 PM

How strange, someone mentions crayons. So does conc. Someone mentions creativity. So does conc. I wonder if there is an original idea in whatever passes for his brain? Let's see shall we. what are your views on aardvarks?

Bollocks!

DtG,C,LBandSPS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 25 Aug 13 - 08:33 AM

Thank'ee shaw and gnomey, but I have had me share of patronising today.

Have you both ever thought of shelf stacking as an occupation? ah shucks! that probably needs a little more creativity than you two possess....critisisng honest folk is about as far as you two nomarks go.

Here is a thought ..the crayon syndrome..try ramming 'em up sideways

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Aug 13 - 05:09 PM

This is getting to boring...now they cant understand basic english!

Don't y'all just lurve how the irony in this statement is totally lost on concerened?