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Subject: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: GUEST,Dr Sam Willis, Navy Records Society
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 08:18 AM

Hi Guys,

One of the Navy Records Society's early publications, NRS Vol.33 (1908) was 'Naval Songs and Ballads'

It would be fantastic if we could find recordings of those songs that we could post on our dedicated online publication site www.navyrecordsonline.co.uk

Any volunteers/ideas about how we would find them?


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: GUEST,Sam [again]
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 08:19 AM

aha! and you can contact me editor@navyrecordsonline.co.uk

Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: MartinRyan
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 08:28 AM

Hmmmm... I think I actually had a bound copy of that book in my hand in a nautical bookshop in Greenwich (England) last autumn - or else something with a very similar title and date, defintitely American. Couldn't afford it, of course!

Is there a copy online (haven't looked) or even a Table of Contents?

Regards


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 08:57 AM

Martin

Thats's Firth's Naval Songs and Ballads, 1908. There used to be an online copy at google books, but it looks like there was a reissue in 2012 and the online copy has gone.

You can see the list in the Roud index by searching for (precisely) Naval Songs and Ballads in the Source field: Naval Songs and Ballads entries. (222 entries).

Otherwise, I'll try and post a list from my copy in a little while.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 09:02 AM

In fact here's the list from my copy. There are probably typos in the text because it's the ocr output in a djvu copy, but it should be enough to work on (the numbers are the page numbers). There are 188 here I think, so I don't quite know how that compares to the entries in the Roud index.

Many of the songs are from broadsides and there may not be tunes for them. However it is possible to get those with Roud numbers and find other collected/recorded sources for those. I'll see if I can do that on my copy of the Roud index.

Mick




The Battle of Sluys 1
Les Espagnols Sur Mer 3
The Pilgrims Sea Voyage ... 4
Sir Andrew Barton 6
John Dory 16
The Mariner's Song 17
A Joyful New Ballad, declaring the Happie Obtaining of the Great Galleazzo 18
An Excellent Song on the Winning of Cales by the English 21
The Sailor's Onely Delight 23
The Seaman's Song of Captain Ward 25
The Song of Dansekar the Dutchman 27
The Famous Sea-Fight between Captain Ward and the Rainbow 30
The Lamentable Cries of at least 1,500 Christians (now Prisoners in Argiers under the Turkcs) 31
The Honour of Bristol 34
Neptune to England 36
On His Majesties Fleet 36
Upon the Great Ship 37
Saylors for my Money 40
The Jovial Marriner ; or, the Sea-man's Renown . . . 42
Neptune's Raging Fury ; or, the Gallant Seaman's Sufferings . 45
The Famous Fight at Malago 47
An Elegie on the Death of the Right Honourable Robert Blake, Esq 48
The Valiant Seaman's Congratulation to his Sacred Majesty King Charles 1 1 53
England's Valour, and Holland's Terrour 54
Song Written at Sea (* To all you Ladies now at Land ') . . 36
The Royal Victory 58
The English Seaman's Resolution ; or, the Loyall Subjects Undaunted Valour 61
England's Tryumph, and Hollands Downfall ; or, the Second Royal Victory 63
Englands Royall Conquest 66
Holland Turn'd to Tinder ; or, England's Third Great Royal Victory 69
A New Ballad of a Famous German Prince and a Renowned English Duke 72
The Second Part of the Late and Terrible Fight on St. James's Day, 1666 76
The Dutch Damnified ; or, the Butter- Boxes Bob'd • • 79
A Song on the Duke's Late Glorious Success over the Dutch . 82
News from the Coast of Spain 83
Captain Mansfield's Fight with the Turkes at Sea 86
The Algiers Slave's Releasement ; or, the Unchangeable Boat-swain 88
The Benjamin's Lamentation for their Sad Loss at Sea by Storms and Tempests 89
The Treachery of the Spaniards of Porto Rico to the Dartmouth Frigot and her Company . w 92
The Golden Voyage ; or, the Prosperous Arrival of the James and Mary 95
The Boatswain's Call ; or, the Couragious Marriner's Invitation 97
The Undaunted Seaman 99
The Sea-Man's Adieu to his Dear 10 1
The Maidens' Frolick ; or, a Brief Relation how Six Lusty Lasses has Prest full Fourteen Taylors .... 104
The Couragious Commander ; or, a Brief Relation of that Most Noble Adventure of Sir Cloudesly Shovel 1,in the Bay of Dublin 106
The Seamen's Victory ; or, Admiral Killegrew's Glorious Conquest over the French Fleet 108
Torringtonia ; or, a New Copy of Verses on the Late Sea Engagement no England's Triumph at Sea (169 1 ) 112
England's Great Loss by a Storm of Wind 113
Naval Warfare of 1692 114
The Royal Triumph ; or, the Unspeakable Joy of the Three Kingdoms 117
Admiral Russell's Scowering the French Fleet . 119
A Merry New Ballad on the Great Victory over the French Fleet 120
The Valiant Seamen's Courage 125
England's Glory in the Behaviour of Brave Killeygrove . . . 126
An Excellent Song, Call'd The Frighted French ; or, Russel Scouring the Seas 128
The Caesar's Victory 1 29
A Copy of Verses, composed by Captain Henry Every 131
Villany Rewarded ; or, The Pirate's Last Farewel to the World 133
Captain Kid's Farewel to the Seas ; or, The Famous Pirate's Lament 134
A Satyr on the Sea- Officers 137
The Sea- Martyrs ; or, The Seamen's Sad Lamentation for their Faithful Service, Bad Pay, and Cruel Usage .140
Advice to Young Maidens in Chusing of Husbands 143
The Seamen's Wives' Vindication 145
Billy the Midshipman's Welcome Home 146
Admiral Benbow 148
The Death of Admiral Benbow 149
The Sailors Account of the Action at Vigo 151
On the Sea Fight between Sir G. R. and Toulouse, 1704 153
A Song on the same 1 54
The Sailor's Tragedy ; or, The Last Farewel of Captain Smith 1 54
The Valliant Admiral ; or, The Wonderful Success of Sir John Leake 156
The Sea-Fight ; or, The French Prize Taken . . 158
The Loss of the Edgar 160
The Sailor's Complaint 162
Fair Sally Lov*d a Bonny Sailor 163
• How Pleasant a Sailor's Life Passes' 164
The Boatswain's Whistle 165
The Downfall of Piracy 166
Admiral Cavendish's Distress on Board the Canterbury .168
The Pacifick Fleet 170
The English Sailor's Resolution to Fight the Spaniards .172
England's Glory in the Declaration of War 174
The Taking of the Princissa 175
English Courage Displayed ; or, Brave News from Admiral Vernon 177
Hosier's Ghost 179
Vernon's Glory ; or, The Spaniards' Defeat 181
The Saphirah (sic) in Triumph ; or, British Valor Displayed 184
Admiral Matthews' Engagement against the Combined Fleets of France and Spain 186
A New Song in Praise of Brave Captain Hornsby .187
Captain Cobb's Bravery 189
The Princess Royal's Escape from the Goodwin Sands 190
The Loss of the Victory Man-of War 192
Disconsolate Judy's Lamentation for the Absence of her True Love ... on Board the Victory . . . now Missing . 193
England's Glory ; or, The French King Stripped . 194
The Lucky Sailor ; or The Sailor's Invitation to go with Admiral Anson 195
Tit for Tat : A Sea Kick for a Land Cuff 197
A New Song on Admiral Knowls taking Port Louis 199
A New Song sung by Hannah Snell, alias James Gray . . . 200
The Lightermans Prentice Prest and Sent to Sea 201
Britain's Resolution to Fight the French 203
The Terrible Privateer 204
Captain Death 205
A New Song (on Blakeney and Byng) 206
The Letter of a Certain Admiral 207
A Rueful Story : Admiral B— g's Glory ; or, Who Run Away First 209
Admiral Byng and Brave West 210
A New Song Written on the Isle of Aix .211
Bold Sawyer 212
Captain Bartons Distress on Board the Lichfield 214
Gilchrist and Hotham's Bravery .216
Hawke's Engagement 217
Neptune's Resignation . . 218
Hearts of Oak 220
Thurot's Dream 220
A New Song on the Gallant Behaviour of Captain O'Brian and Captain Taylor 222
A New Song on the Taking of Havannah 223
Lord Anson and Hawke 225
A New Song on the Blandford Privateer 226
The Sailors' Dialogue 227
Distressed Men of War 228
The Sailor's Complaint 230
The Sailor's Garland ; or, The Ticket Buyer's Lamentation . 231
The Sayloi^s Complaint ; or, The True Character of the Purser of a Ship 233
The Sailor's Resolution to Fight the Spaniards .... 234
Jack Tar 235
The Jolly Sailor's True Description of a Man-of-War . 236
New Sea Song (' Our boatswain calls out for his bold British heroes') 239
The Humours of the Royal Billy 240
The Dolphin's Return 243
The Brags of Washington 244
On the Late Engagement in Charles Town River . . . 245
Sullivan's Island 246
The Cruisers 247
On Board of the Arethusa 248
An Excellent New Song Composed by Eighteen Greenlandmen 249
Admiral Keppel Triumphant ; or, Monsieurs in the Suds . . 252
A New Song (' Come, all ye valiant seamen that plough the raging main') 253
A New Song in Praise of Admiral Keppel's Fleet . . . 255
Admiral Keppel Triumphant 255
Keppel for Ever ! 257
A New Song on Admiral Barrington 258
Paul Jones 259
Captain Farmer 260
The Bold Blades of Old England 261
The Royal Sailor 262
Hood's Conquest over the Count de Grasse 263
The Loss of the Centaur 265
A New Sea Song called The Robin Hood . . 266
A New Song on the Battle Fought between the La Nyraphe and the Cleopatra 267
The Downfall of the French Fleet 268
A New Song on the Sea Engagement Fought the First of June Last 270
A New Sea Song written by a Lieutenant of the Bellerophon 271
The Blanche Frigate 274
The Amazon Frigate 276
A New Song (The Seventeen Bright Stars) 277
The Genius of Britain 279
British Tars Rewarded 280
A New Song on Parker the Delegate 281
The Death of Parker 282
A New Song in Praise of Admiral Duncan .... 283
The Engagement between the Mars and La Hercule . . 285
Verses written on board H.M.S. Astraea 286
The Battle of the Nile 287
The Arrow Sloop of War 289
Copenhagen 290
Action off Copenhagen 295
A New Song on Lord Nelson's Victory at Copenhagen . . . 296
The Wounded Tars at the Siege of Boulogne .... 297
' France CoverM with Glory 298
La Loire Frigate, or Yeo ! Yeo ! 300
Nelson's Glorious Victory at Trafalgar 301
The Death of Lord Nelson 302
Admiral Strachan's Victory 304
The Engagement between the Amethyst and Thetis . 305
The Attempt of Destroying the French Fleet in Basque Roads 306
A Copy of verses on Jefferys the Seaman 307
Ye Parliament of England 308
The Constitution and Guerriere 309
Shannon and Chesapeake 311
Battle of the Shannon and Chesapeake 312
The Endym ion's Triumph 313
The British Tars 316
The Fancy Frigate 316
The Saucy Scvlla 319
The Vanguard 320
The Port Admiral 322
Oh ! Cruel 324
The Answer to Oh I Cruel 325
The Female Lieutenant 326
Billy Taylor 327
Cawsand Bay 328
General Campbell 330
The Bold Adventures of Captain Ross 331
The Capture of St. Jean d'Acre 333
The Borneo Heroes 334
The Slave Chase 33$
The Russians Wont Come Out 336
Dont Forget Your Old Shipmate 337


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 09:51 AM

I've just done a quick search on Roud for Source:Naval Songs and Ballads and Roud No:Not empty and there are 64 results in that list. These are the ones with non-broadside sources and are therefore most likely to have tunes available. I haven't checked the Roud numbers for which might have tunes.

Many of the tunes in Firth from broadside sources specify tunes and I can check for those in Simpson to see which tunes are known (this obviously excludes the like of To a pleasant tune).

The list below removes duplicates from the Roud search, and are the most likely ones to find sung. There may well be others from a text only source that people have put tunes to.

Perhaps Sam can tell us what material he is looking for. Does he want commercial recordings? Does he want the exact version as it appears in Firth? If he doesn't mind non-commercial recordings, it's quite likely that people here could do that using existing tunes from other versions, or the broadside tunes where they exists. (I haven't time to check broadside tunes at the moment, but I can do it tomorrow probably).

Mick




ADMIRAL BENBOW Roud number        3141
BATTLE OF THE SHANNON AND CHESAPEAKE Roud number        963
BILLY TAYLOR (A BURLESQUE BALLAD) Roud number        158        
BLANCHE FRIGATE, THE Roud number        4583
BORNEO HEROES, THE Roud number        V1666
BRAGS OF WASHINGTON, THE Roud number        22795        
CAPTAIN BARTON'S DISTRESS ON BOARD THE LICHFIELD Roud number        V1856
CAPTAIN COBB'S BRAVERY Roud number        7005        
CAPTAIN KID'S FAREWEL TO THE SEAS; or, THE FAMOUS PIRATE'S LAMENT Roud number        1900        
CAPTAIN MANSFIELD'S FIGHT WITH THE TURKES AT SEA Roud number        951
CAWSAND BAY Roud number        22827        
CONSTITUTION AND GUERRIERE, THE Roud number        626        
DEATH OF ADMIRAL BENBOW, THE Roud number        227        
DEATH OF PARKER, THE Roud number        1032        
DOWNFALL OF PIRACY, THE Roud number        8115        
ENGLAND'S TRIUMPH AND HOLLAND'S DOWNFALL; or, THE SECOND ROYAL VICTORY Roud number        V1307        
FAIR SALLY LOV'D A BONNY SAILOR Roud number        V2837
FAMOUS SEA-FIGHT BETWEEN CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW Roud number        224        
FANCY FRIGATE, THE Roud number        2563        
FEMALE LIEUTENANT, THE; or, FAITHLESS LOVER REWARDED Roud number        158        
HAWKE'S ENGAGEMENT Roud number        18256        
HEARTS OF OAK Roud number        V391        
HOSIER'S GHOST Roud number        22377        
HUMOURS OF THE ROYAL BILLY, THE Roud number        V3972        
JOHN DORY Roud number        249        
LOSS OF THE CENTAUR, THE Roud number        V851
MAIDEN'S FROLICK, THE; or, A BRIEF RELATION HOW SIX LUSTY LASSES HAS PREST FULL FOURTEEN TAYLORS... Roud number        V5616
NEWS FROM THE COAST OF SPAIN; or, A TRUE RELATION OF A BRISK AND BLOODY ENCOUNTER... Roud number        V1994        
NEW SONG COMPOSED BY THE WOUNDED TARS AT THE SIEGE OF BOULOGNE, A Roud number        3175
OH CRUEL (ANSWER TO) Roud number        V1837        
OH CRUEL Roud number        V1836
PAUL JONES Roud number        967        
ROYAL TRIUMPH, THE; or, THE UNSPEAKABLE JOY OF THE THREE KINGDOMS Roud number        V1306        
RUSSIANS WON'T COME OUT, THE Roud number        V5353        
SAILOR'S ONELY DELIGHT, THE Roud number        134        
SAUCY SCYLLA, THE Roud number        V4653
SHANNON AND CHESAPEAKE, THE Roud number        1583
SIR ANDREW BARTON Roud number        104        
SLAVE CHASE, THE Roud number        22376        
TERRIBLE PRIVATEER, THE Roud number        9381        
YE PARLIAMENT OF ENGLAND Roud number        2078


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: MartinRyan
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 09:56 AM

Firth still available at archive.org HERE

Regards


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 10:48 AM

I checked archive earlier! I must have typed something wrong in my search field.

Here's the list of entries in Firth that specify a tune. This is from my copy of the Roud index (it was easier to get the results. You can do the search online at VWML but if you want to see most of the fields - including tune - in the results you have to go one song at a time and copy them out. Derek if you're reading and have any sway at VWML it would be nice to be able to specify which fields you'd like in the List option for results!). My copy is old, but I should think fairly accurate for this book.

The list has Title(upper case) Roud-No: Specified-Tune(lower case). (No Roud appears as -1). This list with the list above (there is some overlap) should be the most likely to find versions for. When I've time I'll check the tunes against Simpson to see which are known.

Mick




CAPTAIN KID'S FAREWEL TO THE SEAS; or, THE FAMOUS PIRATE'S LAMENT    1900:   Coming Down
CONSTITUTION AND GUERRIERE, THE    626:   Landlady of France, The
FAMOUS SEA-FIGHT BETWEEN CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW    224:   Captain Ward etc.
DISMAL LAMENTATION OF THE WUIDOWS AND FATHERLESS CHILDREN..., THE    -1:   Aim Not Too High
DOLPHIN'S RETURN, THE    -1:   Lillies of France, The
ENGLAND'S ROYALL CONQUEST    -1:   Fig For France and Holland Too, A, or Round About the Hollow Tree
ENGLAND'S TRIUMPH AND HOLLAND'S DOWNFALL; or, THE SECOND ROYAL VICTORY    -1:   Fig for France and Holland Too, A
ENGLAND'S VALOUR AND HOLLAND'S TERROUR    -1:   Stormy Winds Do Blow, The
ENGLISH COURAGE DISPLAY'D; or, BRAVE NEWS FROM ADMIRAL VERNON    -1:   Glorious Charles of Sweden
ENGLISH SEAMAN'S RESOLUTION, THE; or, THE LOYAL SUBJECTS UNDAUNTED VALOUR    -1:   I Prithee Love Turn to Me, or, When This Old Cap Was New
ADMIRAL STRACHAN'S VICTORY    -1:   Hearts of Oak
ADVICE YO YOUNG MAIDENS IN CHUSING OF HUSBANDS    -1:   In the Merry Month of June
ALGIERS SLAVE'S RELEASEMENT, THE; or, THE UNCHANGEABLE BOAT-SWAIN    -1:   Awake Oh My Cloris
BENJAMIN'S LAMENTATION FOR THE SAD LOSS AT SEA BY STORMS AND TEMPESTS, THE    -1:   Poor Benjamin, The
BILLY THE MIDSHIPMAN'S WELCOME HOME    -1:   Ianthe
BOATSWAIN'S CALL, THE; or, THE COURAGEOUS MARRINER'S INVITATION TO ALL HIS BROTHER SAILORS...    -1:   Ring of Gold, The
BOLD ADVENTURES OF CAPTAIN ROSS, THE    -1:   Tars of the Blanche
CAESAR'S VICTORY, THE    -1:   Cannons Rore
CAPTAIN KID'S FAREWEL TO THE SEAS; or, THE FAMOUS PIRATE'S LAMENT    1900:   Coming Down
CONSTITUTION AND GUERRIERE, THE    626:   Landlady of France, The
COPY OF VERSES COMPOSED BY CAPTAIN HENRY EVERY..., A    -1:   Two English Travellers, The
COURAGEOUS COMMANDER, THE; or, A BRIEF RELATION OF THAT MOST NOBLE ADVENTURE OF SIR CLOUDESLY SHOVELL    -1:   Let Caesar Live Long
CRUISERS, THE (A NEW SONG ADAPTED TO THE TIMES)    -1:   A-Hunting We Will Go; The Dusky Night
DISCONSOLATE JUDY'S LAMENTATION FOR THE ABSENCE OF HER TRUE LOVE JOHNNY...    -1:   Down By a Crystal River Side
DUTCH DAMNIFIED, THE; or, THE BUTTER-BOXES BOB'D    -1:   Fig for France and Holland Too, A
ENGLAND'S GLORY; or, THE FRENCH KING STRIPPED    -1:   Avast Honest Mess-Mate
FAMOUS FIGHT AT MALAGO, THE; or, THE ENGLISHMEN'S VICTORY OVER THE SPANIARDS    -1:   Five Sail of Frigats Bound for Malago
FAMOUS GERMAN PRINCE AND A RENOWNED ENGLISH DUKE, A (A NEW BALLAD OF)    -1:   Monsieur Ragou, or The Dancing Hobby-Horses
FAMOUS SEA-FIGHT BETWEEN CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW    224:   Captain Ward etc.
GOLDEN VOYAGE, THE; or, THE PROSPEROUS ARRIVAL OF THE JAMES AND MARY    -1:   Ladies of London
GREENLAND MEN, THE    -1:   We'll Go No More to Greenland in a Ship that has no Guns
HOSIER'S GHOST    -1:   Come and Listen to my Ditty
HONOUR OF BRISTOL, THE    -1:   Our Noble King in His Progress
JOYFULL NEW BALLAD DECLARING THE HAPPIE OBTAINING OF THE GREAT GALLEAZZO, A    -1:   Monseurs Almaigne
MAIDEN'S FROLICK, THE; or, A BRIEF RELATION HOW SIX LUSTY LASSES HAS PREST FULL FOURTEEN TAYLORS...    -1:   Orange, An
MERRY NEW BALLAD ON THE GREAT VICTORY OVER THE FRENCH FLEET MAY THE 19TH 1692, A    -1:   Hey for the Honour of Old England
NAVAL WARFARE OF 1692    -1:   Aim Not Too High
NEW SEA SONG, A    -1:   I Was, D'Ye See? A Waterman
NEW SONG IN PRAISE OF ADMIRAL DUNCAN, A    -1:   Arethusa
NEW SONG ON ADMIRAL KNOWLS TAKING PORT LOUIS, A    -1:   Duke of Lorain and the Princess Royal
NEW SONG ON PARKER THE DELEGATE HEAD OF THE MUTINY AT SHEERNESS, A    -1:   Vicar of Bray, The
NEW SONG WRITTEN ON THE ISLE OF AIX, A    -1:   Every Man Keep His Own Room
NEW SONG, A    -1:   Come and Listen to My Ditty
NEWS FROM THE COAST OF SPAIN; or, A TRUE RELATION OF A BRISK AND BLOODY ENCOUNTER...    -1:   Digby's Farewell
ROYAL VICTORY, THE    -1:   Packington's Pound
RUEFUL STORY ADMIRAL B---G'S GLORY, A; or, WHO RUN AWAY FIRST    -1:   John, Duke of Marlborough
ROYAL TRIUMPH, THE; or, THE UNSPEAKABLE JOY OF THE THREE KINGDOMS    -1:   Let the Soldiers Rejoyce
SAILOR'S GARLAND, THE; or, THE TICKET BUYER'S LAMENTATION    -1:   Chevy Chase
SAILOR'S TRAGEDY, THE; or, THE LAST FAREWEL OF CAPTAIN SMITH    -1:   Sail Before the Mast
SAILORS' DIALOGUE, THE    -1:   Gossip Joan
SAYLOR'S COMPLAINT, THE; or, THE TRUE CHARACTER OF THE PURSER OF A SHIP    -1:   Iantha
SAYLORS FOR MY MONEY    -1:   Ioviall Cobbler, The
SEA-MAN'S ADIEU TO HIS DEAR, THE    -1:   I'le go to Sir Richard
SEA-MARTYRS, THE; or, THE SEAMEN'S SAD LAMENTATION FOR THEIR FAITHFUL SERVICE BADY PAY AND CRUEL USAGE    -1:   Banstead Downs
SEAMAN'S SONG OF CAPTAIN WARD THE FAMOUS PIRATE..., THE    -1:   King's Going to Bulloign, The
SEAMAN'S VICTORY, THE; or, ADMIRAL KILLEGREW'S GLRIOUS CONQUEST OVER THE FRENCH FLEET...    -1:   Spinning Wheel, The
SEAMEN'S WIVES' VINDICATION, THE; or, AN ANSWER TO THE PRETENDED FROLICK...    -1:   O So Ungrateful a Creature
TORRINGTONIA; or, A NEW COPY OF VERSES ON THE LATE SEA ENGAGEMENT    -1:   Which Nobody Can Deny
UNDAUNTED SEAMAN, THE    -1:   I often for my Jenny strove
VALIANT SEAMAN'S CONGRATULATION TO HIS SACRED MAJESTY KING CHARLES II, THE    -1:   Let Us Drink and Sing, or Stormy Winds Do Blow, or Hey Ho My Hony
VALIANT SEAMEN'S COURAGE, THE    -1:   Fond Boy
VALLIANT ADMIRAL, THE; or, THE WOMDERFUL SUCCESS OF SIR JOHN LEAKE    -1:   Thursday in the Morn
VERNON'S GLORY; or, THE SPANIARDS' DEFEAT    -1:   Brave Vernon's Triumph
VILLAINY REWARDED; or, THE PIRATE'S LAST FAREWELL TO THE WORLD    -1:   Russel's Farewel


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: MartinRyan
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 11:12 AM

Hi Mick

I reckon what I saw in Greenwich was This one . Firth looks more interesting!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Gutcher
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 12:41 PM

PAUL JONES

An American frigate Bonhomme Richard by name
Mounted forty four guns and from New York she came
To sail in the channel of old England"s fame
Wi a noble commander Paul Jones was his name.

Ere we had lang cruised twa sail we espied
A large forty four and a twenty beside-
Fifty fine shipping weel loaded wi stores
And the convoy stood in for the old Yorkshire shores.

About the hour of twelve we cam alangside
Wi a lang speakin trumpet whence cam ye he cried
Come answer me quickly I"ll hail ye no more
Or else a broadside into you I will pour.

We fought them four glasses four glasses sae hot
Till forty brave seamen lay dead on the spot
And fifty five more they lay bleeding in gore
While Paul Jones"s thunderous cannon did roar.

Our carpenter frightened to Paul Jones did say
Our ship leaks in watter since fighting today
Paul Jones he made answer in the height o his pride
If we can do no better we"ll sink alangside

Paul Jones he then smiled and to his men he did say
Let every man stand to the best of his play
Sae broadside for broadside they fought on the main
And like true buckskin heroes we returned it again

The Serapis wore round our ship for to take
Which made the proud heart of the English to quake
The shot flew so hot they could not stand it long
And the bold British colours from English came down.

Oh now my brave boys we have taken a fine prize
A large forty four and a twenty likewise
God pity the poor mothers that have reason to weep
For the loss of their sons in the fathomless deep.

As sung in Galloway in my grandfathers day.
We were still dancing a dance called the "Paul Jones" in my dancing days.


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 02:48 PM

From memory - Come Brave Honest Jack Tar and the Sea Martyrs were both included on the Critics Group sea albums, the last one on 'Ye Mariners All' (John Faulkner, Terry Yarnell and Dick Snell) I think Ewan MacColl sang Martyrs on 'As We Were A'Sailing
Let me know if you can't get a copy of them
Jim Carroll
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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 02:49 PM

Hi guys, this is fantastic. What I am going to do is look at the original book tomorow when I have a mo and will get back to you then. I really just want something to complement the original -- which I ASSUME is just a list of words, like poems. I want to bring them alive. I all of them is too much trouble then some of them would be excellent.

Perhaps we could get someone to perform them...


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 03:36 PM

Critics Group again - Frankie Armstrong (lovely lady) makes a good job of 'Death of Parker' on the album 'Waterloo, Peterloo'
Just checked - Come Brave Honest Jack Tar' is listed as 'Jack Tar' in N S and B
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 03:46 PM

I would love to see words of Captain Kidd's Farewell to the Sea if ever possible. mg


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Anglogeezer
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 04:03 PM

GUEST, mg; said -

"I would love to see words of Captain Kidd's Farewell to the Sea if ever possible. mg "

try here Captain Kidd's Farewell

Jake


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Subject: Lyr Add: CAPTAIN KID'S FAREWEL TO THE SEAS
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 04:09 PM

Sorry for the continuous text - late and any mis-scanning
Jim Carroll


CAPTAIN KID'S FAREWEL TO THE SEAS; OR,
THE FAMOUS PIRATE'S LAMENT.
To the Tune of Coming down.

My name is Captain Kid, who has sail' [who has sail'd],
My name is Captain Kid, who has sail'd ;
My name is Captain Kid.
What the laws did still forbid
Unluckily I did while I sail'd [while I sailed, etc.].

Upon the ocean wide, when I sail'd, etc.,
Upon the ocean wide, when I sail'd,
Upon the ocean wide
I robbed on every side,
With most ambitious pride, when I sail'd.

My faults I will display while I sail'd, etc.,
My faults I will display while I sail'd ;
My faults I will display,
Committed day by day
[A line lost.]

Many' long leagues from shore when I sail'd, etc.,
Many long leagues from shore when I sail'd,
Many long leagues from shore
I murdered William More,
And laid him in his gore, when I sail'd,

Because a word he spoke when I sail'd, etc.,
Because a word he spoke when I sail'd,
Because a word he spoke :
I with a bucket broke
His scull at one sad stroke, while I sail'd.

I struck with a good will when I sail'd, etc.,
I struck with a good will when I sail'd ;
I struck with a good will,
And did a gunner kill
As being cruel still when I sail'd.

A Quida merchant then while I sail'd, etc.,
A Quida merchant then while I sail'd,
A Quida merchant then
I robbed of hundreds ten,
Assisted by my men, while I sailed.

A banker's ship of France, while I sailed, etc.,
A banker's ship of France, while I sailed,
A banker's ship of France
Before us did advance :
I seized her by chance, while I sailed.

Full fourteen ships I see when I sailed, etc.,
Full fourteen ships I see when I sailed ;
Full fourteen ships I see,
Merchants of high degree ;
They were too hard for me when I sailed.

We steered from sound to sound while we sailed,
We steered from sound to sound while we sailed;
We steered from sound to sound,
A Moorish ship we found;
Her men we stript and bound while we sailed.

Upon the ocean seas while we sailed, etc.,
Upon the ocean seas while we sailed,
Upon the ocean seas
A warlike Portuguese
In sport did us displease, while we sailed.

At famous Malabar when we sailed, etc.,
At famous Malabar when we sailed,
At famous Malabar
AVe went ashore, each tar,
And robbed the natives there, when we sailed.

Then after this we chased, while we sailed,
Then after this we chased, while we sailed,
Then after this we chased
A rich Armenian, graced
With wealth, which we embraced, while we sailed.

Many Moorish ships we took while we sailed,
Many . Moorish ships we took while we sailed,
Many Moorish ships we took ;
We did still for plunder look ;
All conscience we forsook while we sailed.

I, Captain Cullifoord, while I sailed, etc.,
I, Captain Cullifoord, while I sailed,
I, Captain Cullifoord,
Did many merchants board,
Which did much wealth afford, while we sailed.

Two hundred bars of gold, while we sail'd, etc..
Two hundred bars of gold, while we sailed,
Two hundred bars of gold
And rix dollars manifold
We seized uncontrolled, while we sailed.

St. John, a ship of fame, when we sailed, etc.,
St. John, a ship of fame, when we sailed,
St. John, a ship of fame,
We plundered when she came,
With more that I could name, when we sailed.

We taken was at last, and must die, etc.,
We taken was at last, and must die ;
We taken were at last,
And into prison cast:
Now, sentence being past, we must die.

Tho' we have reigned awhile we must die, etc.,
Tho' we have reigned awhile we must die;
Tho' we have reigned awhile,
While fortune seemed to smile,
Now on the British Isle we must die.

Farewel the ocean main, we must die, etc.,
Farewel the ocean main, we must die ;
Farewel the ocean main :
The coast of France or Spain
We ne'er shall see again ; we must die.

From Newgate now in carts we must go, etc.,
[From Newgate now in carts we must goe ;]
From Newgate now in carts,
With sad and heavy hearts,
To have our due deserts we must go.

Some thousands they will flock when we die,
Some thousands they will flock when we die,
Some thousands they will flock
To Execution Dock,
Where we must stand the shock and must die.

We taken was at last, and must die, etc.,
We taken was at last, and must die ;
We taken were at last,
And into prison cast:
Now, sentence being past, we must die.

Tho' we have reigned awhile we must die, etc.,
Tho' we have reigned awhile we must die;
Tho' we have reigned awhile,
While fortune seemed to smile,
Now on the British Isle we must die.

Farewel the ocean main, we must die, etc.,
Farewel the ocean main, we must die;
Farewel the ocean main :
The coast of France or Spain
We ne'er shall see again ; we must die.

From Newgate now in carts we must go, etc.,
[From Newgate now in carts we must goe ;]
From Newgate now in carts,
With sad and heavy hearts,
To have our due deserts we must go.

Some thousands they will flock when we die,
Some thousands they will flock when we die,
Some thousands they will flock
To Execution Dock,
Where we must stand the shock and must die.


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Lighter
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 04:13 PM

Few of Firth's songs have ever been recorded.

A great many look like poems that may never have had tunes to begin with.


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 07:04 PM

Sam,
If you only want a selection, why not make your own selection and we'll do our best to accommodate you? I have a copy of Firth myself and on a quick glance I'd say all of them are from stall copies, but as already attested a good number made it as songs in oral tradition.


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Gutcher
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 07:26 PM

I am surprised that "Thurot"s Defeat" does not get a mention in any of the lists quoted. Again this was a favourite in Galloway and if I had the equipment/expertise I could give the tune.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THUROT'S DEFEAT
From: Gutcher
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 08:45 PM

THUROT"S DEFEAT.

On the fourteenth day of February as I heard the people say
Three French ships of war boys they anchored in our bay
They anchored in our bay and they landed at Culrout
And marched to Carrickfergus without any more dispute.

They thought to take the castle without any more ado
Till brave Colonel Jennings of them he got full view
And gave them such a store boys of his powder and his ball
Till four hundred and eleven of those French dogs they did fall.

Thurot takes his spyglass and views the shore all round
Where the people they came flocking from country and from town
Boys we cannot stay long here boys this place is getting warm
See those bold heroes in clusters how they swarm

We"ll demand great provisions boys we will take more or less
Because we cannot safely boys stay long into this place
If the English by some chance boys do come in by the sea
We"re so guarded by the land boys they will give us warm play.

On the twenty first of February the wind it blew northwest
And we poor British sailors were very sore opprest
For we could not beat up to them the wind it blew so high
And for proud monsuire Thurot we were forced to lie by.

Early the next morning as daylight did appear
Elliot he spied Thurot which put him in good cheer
Elliot he spied Thurot which put him in good cheer
Saying shakeout your reefs boys and after him we"ll steer.

The first came on was the Brilliant boys and gave him a broadside
The next came up was the Police and she fired as she flyed
The third came up was Elliots ship and gave him fire around
Aha my boys says Thurot this is not Carrick town.

Elliot walked the deck with visage clear and calm
Give them another broadside boys and we"ll slay them every wan
Give them another broadside boys and sink them in the sea
Don"t let them get their hooks aboard or we will lose the day.

Thurot walks the deck with visage pale and wan
Saying strike your colours brave boys they will sink us every man
For their heavy shot it comes so fast it comes both weather and lee
Come strike your colours brave boys or they"ll sink us in the sea.

Before they got their colours struck great slaughter there was made
Of many a clever Frenchman on Thurot"s deck lay dead
They came tumbling down in swarms on Thurot"s deck they lay
While the bold British heroes cut her boom and yards away.

And as for Thurot"s body as I hear the people say
It was carried out by Elliot"s men and buried in Ramsay bay
Here"s a health to Captain Elliot I have got no more to say
Though the French they be kings on land we"re British boys by sea.

A wheen verses missing as the memory is not what it was.


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 27 Mar 13 - 08:49 PM

Here's a list of recordings from the Roud index for the songs in Firth with a Roud Number. (This may omit some more recent additions to the index; it was done from my old copy for convenience). These are field recordings or (AFAIK) traditional singers (as opposed to revival singers). Not all of these may be accessible of course (I'm thinking of some of the archive collections).

Mick






1 BATTLE OF THE SHANNON AND CHESAPEAKE (Roud:963)
    SHANNON FRIGATE, THE (Id:138223) Topic 12TS 285 (`Green Grow the Laurels') by Goodban, Jack
    SHANNON FRIGATE, THE (Id:244201) Musical Traditions MT CD 311-2 ('Up in the North and Down in the South') by Goodban, Jack


2 FANCY FRIGATE, THE (Roud:2563)
    --- No Recordings


3 SHANNON AND CHESAPEAKE (Roud:1583)
    --- No Recordings


4 TERRIBLE PRIVATEER, THE (Roud:9381)
    --- No Recordings


5 ADMIRAL BENBOW (Roud:3141)
    --- No Recordings


6 BILLY TAYLOR (A BURLESQUE BALLAD) (Roud:158)
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:116228) Leader LEA 4050 (`Unto Brigg Fair') by Taylor, Joseph
    WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:173503) BBC recording 18483 by O'Neill, Jim & Harry Wolsey
    WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:143351) Caedmon TC 1164 / Topic 12T 196 (`A Soldier's Life For Me') by Covill, Harold
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:143430) Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 38) by Simms, Albert
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:143431) Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 63) by Heffernan, John
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:147476) Topic TSCD 656 (`Tonight I'll Make You My Bride') by Taylor, Joseph
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:247648) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 3814 A3 by Graham, George Vinton
    WILLY TAYLOR (Id:247666) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 3355 A2 by McCready, Pat
    BILLY TAYLOR (Id:267388) Topic 12T 180 ('Back o' Benachie') by Watt, Rob
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:268143) Folktracks FSA 135 (`Brigg Fair') by Taylor, Joseph
    YOUNG BILLY TAYLOR (Id:295507) Veteran VT 119 ('Catch Me if You Can') by Legg, Sophie


7 CAPTAIN COBB'S BRAVERY (Roud:7005)
    --- No Recordings


8 CAPTAIN KID'S FAREWEL TO THE SEAS; or, THE FAMOUS PIRATE'S LAMENT (Roud:1900)
    CAPTAIN KIDD (Id:117743) Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 64) by Thatcher, Bill
    CAPTAIN KIDD (Id:269723) Folktracks 922-90 (`Whisky in the Jar') by Fish, Lena Bourne


9 CAPTAIN MANSFIELD'S FIGHT WITH THE TURKES AT SEA (Roud:951)
    GOOD LUCK SHIP, THE (Id:123945) Folktracks FSA 033 (`Jack on the Rocks') by Cox, Harry
    GOOD LUCK SHIP, THE (Id:154567) BBC recording 17231 by Cox, Harry
    GOOD LUCK SHIP, THE (Id:233065) Topic TSCD 512D ('The Bonny Labouring Boy') by Cox, Harry


10 CONSTITUTION AND GUERRIERE, THE (Roud:626)
    CONSTITUTION AND GUERRIERE BALLAD (Id:150056) Library of Congress AAFS recording 423 A3 by Rolle, Alexander
    CAPTAIN HULL AND PROUD DACUS (Id:228712) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 4202 A4 by Ford, Warde


11 DEATH OF ADMIRAL BENBOW, THE (Roud:227)
    ADMIRAL BENBOW (Id:144528) BBC recording 9467 by Lucas, Walter `Charlie'
    ADMIRAL BENBOW (Id:144529) BBC recording 17987 by Copper, Bob
    ADMIRAL BENBOW (Id:265232) Folktracks FSA 098 (`The Greenwood Side-I-O') by Bennett, Sam
    ADMIRAL BENBOW (Id:265235) Folktracks 90-238 (`Come All You Bold Britons') by Copper, Bob


12 DEATH OF PARKER, THE (Roud:1032)
    --- No Recordings


13 DOWNFALL OF PIRACY, THE (Roud:8115)
    TEACH AND MAYNARD (Id:291775) Veteran VT 115 ('In Horsham Town') by Hall, Gordon


144 FAMOUS SEA-FIGHT BETWEEN CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW (Roud:224)
    CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW (Id:149118) Musical Traditions MT CD 303 ('Plenty of Thyme') by Poacher, Cyril
    CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW (Id:269740) Veteran VT 108 ('Horkey Load 1') by Poacher, Cyril


15 FEMALE LIEUTENANT, THE; or, FAITHLESS LOVER REWARDED (Roud:158)
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:116228) Leader LEA 4050 (`Unto Brigg Fair') by Taylor, Joseph
    WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:173503) BBC recording 18483 by O'Neill, Jim & Harry Wolsey
    WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:143351) Caedmon TC 1164 / Topic 12T 196 (`A Soldier's Life For Me') by Covill, Harold
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:143430) Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 38) by Simms, Albert
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:143431) Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 63) by Heffernan, John
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:147476) Topic TSCD 656 (`Tonight I'll Make You My Bride') by Taylor, Joseph
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:247648) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 3814 A3 by Graham, George Vinton
    WILLY TAYLOR (Id:247666) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 3355 A2 by McCready, Pat
    BILLY TAYLOR (Id:267388) Topic 12T 180 ('Back o' Benachie') by Watt, Rob
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:268143) Folktracks FSA 135 (`Brigg Fair') by Taylor, Joseph
    YOUNG BILLY TAYLOR (Id:295507) Veteran VT 119 ('Catch Me if You Can') by Legg, Sophie


16 JOHN DORY (Roud:249)
    --- No Recordings


17 NEW SONG COMPOSED BY THE WOUNDED TARS AT THE SIEGE OF BOULOGNE, A (Roud:3175)
    --- No Recordings


18 PAUL JONES (Roud:967)
    PAUL JONES (Id:287083) Folktrax 926-90 ('Songs from the Outer Banks') by Tillett, Tink
    PAUL JONES (Id:242296) Musical Traditions MT CD 313 ('The Broom Blooms Bonny') by Rae, Joe


19 SAILOR'S ONELY DELIGHT, THE (Roud:134)
    HIGH BARBAREE (Id:125244) Folktracks FSA 047 (`Stormy Weather Boys') by Roberts, Bob
    HIGH BARBAREE (Id:125246) Saydisc CD-SDL 405 (`Sea Songs & Shanties') by Roberts, Bob
    COASTS OF HIGH BARBAREE (Id:149704) BBC recording 19885 by Roberts, Bob
    HI BARBAREE (Id:156046) Library of Congress AAFS recording 3401 A2 by Osborne, Alfred
    HI BARBAREE (Id:156047) Library of Congress AAFS recording 3401 A2 by Osborne, Alfred
    DOWN AROUND THE COAST OF LA BARBAREE (Id:230692) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 3812 B1 by Graham, George Vinton
    HIGH BARBAREE (Id:234206) HMV DLP 1143 ('Folk Song Today') by Roberts, Bob
    HIGH BARBAREE (Id:234210) Folktracks 90-503 ('Andrew Lammie') by Roberts, Bob
    HIGH BARBARY (Id:234212) John Donald Robb Coll. (Center for Southwest Research, Univ New Mexico, Albuquerque) MU7 CD24 (text 686) by Schallenburg, Anna Maria / Don Eklund
    BARBAREE (Id:266668) Folktrax 926-90 ('Songs from the Outer Banks') by Tillett, Tink


20 SIR ANDREW BARTON (Roud:104)
    ANDREW BATANN (Id:113330) Library of Congress AAFS L58 (`Child Ballads Traditional in the United States 2') by Ford, Warde H.
    BOLD HENRY MARTIN (Id:116033) Folktracks FSA 047 (`Stormy Weather Boys') by Roberts, Bob
    LOFTY TALL SHIP, THE (Id:130053) Topic 12T 244 (`A Garland for Sam') by Larner, Sam
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:125103) Folkways FG 3507 / Topic TSCD 511 (`Now is the Time for Fishing') by Larner, Sam
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:125116) Caedmon TC 1146 / Topic 12T 161 (`Child Ballads 2') by Tanner, Phil
    YOUNG HENRY MARTIN (Id:144090) EFDSS LP 1005 (`Phil Tanner') by Tanner, Phil
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:155915) BBC recording 19886 by Roberts, Bob
    LOFTY TALL SHIP, THE (Id:160386) BBC recording 26075 by Larner, Sam
    LOFTY TALL SHIP, THE (Id:160387) Topic TSCD 662 (`We've received Orders to Sail') by Larner, Sam
    YOUNG HENRY MARTIN (Id:174249) Topic TSCD 652 (`My Ship Shall Sail the Ocean') by Tanner, Phil
    ANDREW BATAN (Id:226171) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 4194 B1 by Ford, Warde
    ANDREW BATAN (Id:226172) Max Hunter Collection (Springfield-Greene County Library, Missouri) 0273 (MFH 6) by Lay, George
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:234076) Jim Carroll & Pat Mackenzie Coll. Nflk tape 4:1 by Green, Bob
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:234077) Helions Bumpstead NLCD 6 ('East Coast Fishermen') by Green, Bob
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:234078) Folktracks 90-502 ('The Baffled Knight') by Roberts, Bob
    LOFTY TALL SHIP (Id:238639) Topic TSCD 706 ('English Originals') by Larner, Sam
    ANDREW BATAN (Id:265497) Folkways P 1001 / FE 4001 ('Wolf River Songs') by Ford, Warde
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:276748) Folktracks FSA 139 (`Over the Dogger Bank') by Larner, Sam
    YOUNG HENRY MARTIN (Id:295604) Folktracks 60-057 (`The Great Man of Gower') by Tanner, Phil


21 YE PARLIAMENT OF ENGLAND (Roud:2078)
    --- No Recordings


22 FANCY FRIGATE, THE (Roud:2563)
    --- No Recordings


23 ADMIRAL BENBOW (Roud:3141)
    --- No Recordings


24 BATTLE OF THE SHANNON AND CHESAPEAKE (Roud:963)
    SHANNON FRIGATE, THE (Id:138223) Topic 12TS 285 (`Green Grow the Laurels') by Goodban, Jack
    SHANNON FRIGATE, THE (Id:244201) Musical Traditions MT CD 311-2 ('Up in the North and Down in the South') by Goodban, Jack


25 BILLY TAYLOR (A BURLESQUE BALLAD) (Roud:158)
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:116228) Leader LEA 4050 (`Unto Brigg Fair') by Taylor, Joseph
    WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:173503) BBC recording 18483 by O'Neill, Jim & Harry Wolsey
    WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:143351) Caedmon TC 1164 / Topic 12T 196 (`A Soldier's Life For Me') by Covill, Harold
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:143430) Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 38) by Simms, Albert
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:143431) Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 63) by Heffernan, John
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:147476) Topic TSCD 656 (`Tonight I'll Make You My Bride') by Taylor, Joseph
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:247648) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 3814 A3 by Graham, George Vinton
    WILLY TAYLOR (Id:247666) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 3355 A2 by McCready, Pat
    BILLY TAYLOR (Id:267388) Topic 12T 180 ('Back o' Benachie') by Watt, Rob
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:268143) Folktracks FSA 135 (`Brigg Fair') by Taylor, Joseph
    YOUNG BILLY TAYLOR (Id:295507) Veteran VT 119 ('Catch Me if You Can') by Legg, Sophie


26 CAPTAIN COBB'S BRAVERY (Roud:7005)
    --- No Recordings


27 CAPTAIN KID'S FAREWEL TO THE SEAS; or, THE FAMOUS PIRATE'S LAMENT (Roud:1900)
    CAPTAIN KIDD (Id:117743) Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 64) by Thatcher, Bill
    CAPTAIN KIDD (Id:269723) Folktracks 922-90 (`Whisky in the Jar') by Fish, Lena Bourne


28 CONSTITUTION AND GUERRIERE, THE (Roud:626)
    CONSTITUTION AND GUERRIERE BALLAD (Id:150056) Library of Congress AAFS recording 423 A3 by Rolle, Alexander
    CAPTAIN HULL AND PROUD DACUS (Id:228712) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 4202 A4 by Ford, Warde


29 DEATH OF ADMIRAL BENBOW, THE (Roud:227)
    ADMIRAL BENBOW (Id:144528) BBC recording 9467 by Lucas, Walter `Charlie'
    ADMIRAL BENBOW (Id:144529) BBC recording 17987 by Copper, Bob
    ADMIRAL BENBOW (Id:265232) Folktracks FSA 098 (`The Greenwood Side-I-O') by Bennett, Sam
    ADMIRAL BENBOW (Id:265235) Folktracks 90-238 (`Come All You Bold Britons') by Copper, Bob


30 DEATH OF PARKER, THE (Roud:1032)
    --- No Recordings


31 DOWNFALL OF PIRACY, THE (Roud:8115)
    TEACH AND MAYNARD (Id:291775) Veteran VT 115 ('In Horsham Town') by Hall, Gordon


32 FEMALE LIEUTENANT, THE; or, FAITHLESS LOVER REWARDED (Roud:158)
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:116228) Leader LEA 4050 (`Unto Brigg Fair') by Taylor, Joseph
    WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:173503) BBC recording 18483 by O'Neill, Jim & Harry Wolsey
    WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:143351) Caedmon TC 1164 / Topic 12T 196 (`A Soldier's Life For Me') by Covill, Harold
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:143430) Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 38) by Simms, Albert
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:143431) Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 63) by Heffernan, John
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:147476) Topic TSCD 656 (`Tonight I'll Make You My Bride') by Taylor, Joseph
    WILLIE TAYLOR (Id:247648) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 3814 A3 by Graham, George Vinton
    WILLY TAYLOR (Id:247666) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 3355 A2 by McCready, Pat
    BILLY TAYLOR (Id:267388) Topic 12T 180 ('Back o' Benachie') by Watt, Rob
    BOLD WILLIAM TAYLOR (Id:268143) Folktracks FSA 135 (`Brigg Fair') by Taylor, Joseph
    YOUNG BILLY TAYLOR (Id:295507) Veteran VT 119 ('Catch Me if You Can') by Legg, Sophie


33 FAMOUS SEA-FIGHT BETWEEN CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW (Roud:224)
    CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW (Id:149118) Musical Traditions MT CD 303 ('Plenty of Thyme') by Poacher, Cyril
    CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW (Id:269740) Veteran VT 108 ('Horkey Load 1') by Poacher, Cyril


34 JOHN DORY (Roud:249)
    --- No Recordings


35 PAUL JONES (Roud:967)
    PAUL JONES (Id:287083) Folktrax 926-90 ('Songs from the Outer Banks') by Tillett, Tink
    PAUL JONES (Id:242296) Musical Traditions MT CD 313 ('The Broom Blooms Bonny') by Rae, Joe


36 SAILOR'S ONELY DELIGHT, THE (Roud:134)
    HIGH BARBAREE (Id:125244) Folktracks FSA 047 (`Stormy Weather Boys') by Roberts, Bob
    HIGH BARBAREE (Id:125246) Saydisc CD-SDL 405 (`Sea Songs & Shanties') by Roberts, Bob
    COASTS OF HIGH BARBAREE (Id:149704) BBC recording 19885 by Roberts, Bob
    HI BARBAREE (Id:156046) Library of Congress AAFS recording 3401 A2 by Osborne, Alfred
    HI BARBAREE (Id:156047) Library of Congress AAFS recording 3401 A2 by Osborne, Alfred
    DOWN AROUND THE COAST OF LA BARBAREE (Id:230692) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 3812 B1 by Graham, George Vinton
    HIGH BARBAREE (Id:234206) HMV DLP 1143 ('Folk Song Today') by Roberts, Bob
    HIGH BARBAREE (Id:234210) Folktracks 90-503 ('Andrew Lammie') by Roberts, Bob
    HIGH BARBARY (Id:234212) John Donald Robb Coll. (Center for Southwest Research, Univ New Mexico, Albuquerque) MU7 CD24 (text 686) by Schallenburg, Anna Maria / Don Eklund
    BARBAREE (Id:266668) Folktrax 926-90 ('Songs from the Outer Banks') by Tillett, Tink


37 SHANNON AND CHESAPEAKE, THE (Roud:1583)
    --- No Recordings


38 SIR ANDREW BARTON (Roud:104)
    ANDREW BATANN (Id:113330) Library of Congress AAFS L58 (`Child Ballads Traditional in the United States 2') by Ford, Warde H.
    BOLD HENRY MARTIN (Id:116033) Folktracks FSA 047 (`Stormy Weather Boys') by Roberts, Bob
    LOFTY TALL SHIP, THE (Id:130053) Topic 12T 244 (`A Garland for Sam') by Larner, Sam
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:125103) Folkways FG 3507 / Topic TSCD 511 (`Now is the Time for Fishing') by Larner, Sam
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:125116) Caedmon TC 1146 / Topic 12T 161 (`Child Ballads 2') by Tanner, Phil
    YOUNG HENRY MARTIN (Id:144090) EFDSS LP 1005 (`Phil Tanner') by Tanner, Phil
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:155915) BBC recording 19886 by Roberts, Bob
    LOFTY TALL SHIP, THE (Id:160386) BBC recording 26075 by Larner, Sam
    LOFTY TALL SHIP, THE (Id:160387) Topic TSCD 662 (`We've received Orders to Sail') by Larner, Sam
    YOUNG HENRY MARTIN (Id:174249) Topic TSCD 652 (`My Ship Shall Sail the Ocean') by Tanner, Phil
    ANDREW BATAN (Id:226171) Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 4194 B1 by Ford, Warde
    ANDREW BATAN (Id:226172) Max Hunter Collection (Springfield-Greene County Library, Missouri) 0273 (MFH 6) by Lay, George
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:234076) Jim Carroll & Pat Mackenzie Coll. Nflk tape 4:1 by Green, Bob
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:234077) Helions Bumpstead NLCD 6 ('East Coast Fishermen') by Green, Bob
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:234078) Folktracks 90-502 ('The Baffled Knight') by Roberts, Bob
    LOFTY TALL SHIP (Id:238639) Topic TSCD 706 ('English Originals') by Larner, Sam
    ANDREW BATAN (Id:265497) Folkways P 1001 / FE 4001 ('Wolf River Songs') by Ford, Warde
    HENRY MARTIN (Id:276748) Folktracks FSA 139 (`Over the Dogger Bank') by Larner, Sam
    YOUNG HENRY MARTIN (Id:295604) Folktracks 60-057 (`The Great Man of Gower') by Tanner, Phil


39 TERRIBLE PRIVATEER, THE (Roud:9381)
    --- No Recordings


40 YE PARLIAMENT OF ENGLAND (Roud:2078)
    --- No Recordings


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 04:11 AM

This is fantastic guys, thanks.

Mick - How do I go about trying to find these recordings?

Sam


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: GUEST,Dr Sam Willis, Navy Records Society
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 04:25 AM

These recordings will be fantastic wif we can find them, but can we get any music for the ones without audio?


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 08:25 AM

Sam - I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I'll get back to this later today.

Briefly: some of the recordings are commercial releases and we can probably get audio for some or all of those from people here. As far as permissions to use them, many were released by specialist folk labels and I imagine they might be happy to let your respected institution used them. Some are research outfits and they may also be willing to let you used their recordings (or link to them) eg Max Hunter, LOC. Some (eg Hartness, Fowke, Warner) are held by universities and not (currently) publicly available, but again they may well be willing to supply you with copies. (There may be some that I didn't catch too; eg Death of Parker, I'm sure is available)

As for the ones without audio, the fall into two groups, as per my lists above. The first list (those with Roud number above) generally have other versions available and I'll see which have tunes (probably most, but some will have only text). The second list is those with only a tune specified and I need to check those tune names against the list of tunes in a standard reference (Simpson: The British Broadside Ballad and its Music) to see which are known with music. If you want some of the songs sung to any of these tunes, there are probably people on here happy to do them and you can take your pick!

I'll get back to you on both of these, probably later today.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 11:15 AM

Sam,
It might be worth thinking about what sort of recordings you want, straight unaccompanied, simple backing, elaborate backing, professional recording etc.


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 07:11 PM

I've been through the list with specified tunes, comparing them with Simpson and the results are below. About 30 of them have tunes that are known. The results are below. They are shown as TUNE LOST, meaning that Simpson says that this is so, NOT FOUND meaning that I didn't find it in Simpson; otherwise the main title in Simpson that the tune title is classified with is given.

I'll have a look at the other list - those with Roud numbers - tomorrow and see which have known tunes (probably most of them).

Mick




+++ TUNE LOST = given as lost in Simpson, +++ NOT FOUND = not listed in Simpson, +++ Main title in Simpson otherwise


CAPTAIN KID'S FAREWEL TO THE SEAS; or, THE FAMOUS PIRATE'S LAMENT    1900:   Coming Down
        +++ TUNE LOST
CONSTITUTION AND GUERRIERE, THE    626:   Landlady of France, The
        +++ NOT FOUND                        
FAMOUS SEA-FIGHT BETWEEN CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW    224:   Captain Ward etc.
        +++ Twas When The Seas Were Roaring
DISMAL LAMENTATION OF THE WUIDOWS AND FATHERLESS CHILDREN..., THE    -1:   Aim Not Too High
        +++ Fortune My Foe
DOLPHIN'S RETURN, THE    -1:   Lillies of France, The
        +++ NOT FOUND
ENGLAND'S ROYALL CONQUEST    -1:   Fig For France and Holland Too, A, or Round About the Hollow Tree
        +++ TUNE LOST
ENGLAND'S TRIUMPH AND HOLLAND'S DOWNFALL; or, THE SECOND ROYAL VICTORY    -1:   Fig for France and Holland Too, A
        +++ TUNE LOST
ENGLAND'S VALOUR AND HOLLAND'S TERROUR    -1:   Stormy Winds Do Blow, The
        +++ When The Stormy Winds Do Blow
ENGLISH COURAGE DISPLAY'D; or, BRAVE NEWS FROM ADMIRAL VERNON    -1:   Glorious Charles of Sweden
        +++ Charles of Sweden
ENGLISH SEAMAN'S RESOLUTION, THE; or, THE LOYAL SUBJECTS UNDAUNTED VALOUR    -1:   I Prithee Love Turn to Me, or, When This Old Cap Was New
        +++ My Lodging's On The Cold Ground
ADMIRAL STRACHAN'S VICTORY    -1:   Hearts of Oak
        +++ Heart of Oak
ADVICE YO YOUNG MAIDENS IN CHUSING OF HUSBANDS    -1:   In the Merry Month of June
        +++ NOT FOUND (In the gallant month of June=Dulcima)
ALGIERS SLAVE'S RELEASEMENT, THE; or, THE UNCHANGEABLE BOAT-SWAIN    -1:   Awake Oh My Cloris
        +++ Ah, Cloris, Awake
BENJAMIN'S LAMENTATION FOR THE SAD LOSS AT SEA BY STORMS AND TEMPESTS, THE    -1:   Poor Benjamin, The
        +++ NOT FOUND
BILLY THE MIDSHIPMAN'S WELCOME HOME    -1:   Ianthe
        +++ Ianthe the Lovely
BOATSWAIN'S CALL, THE; or, THE COURAGEOUS MARRINER'S INVITATION TO ALL HIS BROTHER SAILORS...    -1:   Ring of Gold, The
        +++ Cupid's Courtesy
BOLD ADVENTURES OF CAPTAIN ROSS, THE    -1:   Tars of the Blanche
        +++ NOT FOUND
CAESAR'S VICTORY, THE    -1:   Cannons Rore
        +++ Hear the Thundering Cannons Roar
COPY OF VERSES COMPOSED BY CAPTAIN HENRY EVERY..., A    -1:   Two English Travellers, The
        +++ TUNE LOST
COURAGEOUS COMMANDER, THE; or, A BRIEF RELATION OF THAT MOST NOBLE ADVENTURE OF SIR CLOUDESLY SHOVELL    -1:   Let Caesar Live Long
        +++ Let Caesar Live Long
CRUISERS, THE (A NEW SONG ADAPTED TO THE TIMES)    -1:   A-Hunting We Will Go; The Dusky Night
        +++ NOT FOUND (but A-Hunting We Will Go song?)
DISCONSOLATE JUDY'S LAMENTATION FOR THE ABSENCE OF HER TRUE LOVE JOHNNY...    -1:   Down By a Crystal River Side
        +++ NOT FOUND (?Down by the Side of a Fair Crystal Fountain?)
DUTCH DAMNIFIED, THE; or, THE BUTTER-BOXES BOB'D    -1:   Fig for France and Holland Too, A
        +++ TUNE LOST
ENGLAND'S GLORY; or, THE FRENCH KING STRIPPED    -1:   Avast Honest Mess-Mate
        +++ NOT FOUND
FAMOUS FIGHT AT MALAGO, THE; or, THE ENGLISHMEN'S VICTORY OVER THE SPANIARDS    -1:   Five Sail of Frigats Bound for Malago
        +++ NOT FOUND
FAMOUS GERMAN PRINCE AND A RENOWNED ENGLISH DUKE, A (A NEW BALLAD OF)    -1:   Monsieur Ragou, or The Dancing Hobby-Horses
        +++ The Hobby Horse
GOLDEN VOYAGE, THE; or, THE PROSPEROUS ARRIVAL OF THE JAMES AND MARY    -1:   Ladies of London
        +++ Ladies of London
GREENLAND MEN, THE    -1:   We'll Go No More to Greenland in a Ship that has no Guns
        +++ NOT FOUND
HOSIER'S GHOST    -1:   Come and Listen to my Ditty
        +++ NOT FOUND
HONOUR OF BRISTOL, THE    -1:   Our Noble King in His Progress
        +++ NOT FOUND
JOYFULL NEW BALLAD DECLARING THE HAPPIE OBTAINING OF THE GREAT GALLEAZZO, A    -1:   Monseurs Almaigne
        +++ Monsieurs Almain
MAIDEN'S FROLICK, THE; or, A BRIEF RELATION HOW SIX LUSTY LASSES HAS PREST FULL FOURTEEN TAYLORS...    -1:   Orange, An
        +++ With A Fading
MERRY NEW BALLAD ON THE GREAT VICTORY OVER THE FRENCH FLEET MAY THE 19TH 1692, A    -1:   Hey for the Honour of Old England
        +++ NOT FOUND
NAVAL WARFARE OF 1692    -1:   Aim Not Too High
        +++ Fortune My Foe
NEW SEA SONG, A    -1:   I Was, D'Ye See? A Waterman
        +++ NOT FOUND
NEW SONG IN PRAISE OF ADMIRAL DUNCAN, A    -1:   Arethusa
        +++ NOT FOUND
NEW SONG ON ADMIRAL KNOWLS TAKING PORT LOUIS, A    -1:   Duke of Lorain and the Princess Royal
        +++ NOT FOUND
NEW SONG ON PARKER THE DELEGATE HEAD OF THE MUTINY AT SHEERNESS, A    -1:   Vicar of Bray, The
        +++ Vicar of Bray
NEW SONG WRITTEN ON THE ISLE OF AIX, A    -1:   Every Man Keep His Own Room
        +++ NOT FOUND
NEW SONG, A    -1:   Come and Listen to My Ditty
        +++ NOT FOUND
NEWS FROM THE COAST OF SPAIN; or, A TRUE RELATION OF A BRISK AND BLOODY ENCOUNTER...    -1:   Digby's Farewell
        +++ Digby's Farewell
ROYAL VICTORY, THE    -1:   Packington's Pound
        +++ Packington's Pound
RUEFUL STORY ADMIRAL B---G'S GLORY, A; or, WHO RUN AWAY FIRST    -1:   John, Duke of Marlborough
        +++ NOT FOUND
ROYAL TRIUMPH, THE; or, THE UNSPEAKABLE JOY OF THE THREE KINGDOMS    -1:   Let the Soldiers Rejoyce
        +++ Let the Soldiers Rejoice
SAILOR'S GARLAND, THE; or, THE TICKET BUYER'S LAMENTATION    -1:   Chevy Chase
        +++ Chevy Chase
SAILOR'S TRAGEDY, THE; or, THE LAST FAREWEL OF CAPTAIN SMITH    -1:   Sail Before the Mast
        +++ NOT FOUND
SAILORS' DIALOGUE, THE    -1:   Gossip Joan
        +++ NOT FOUND (but Gossip Joan song?)
SAYLOR'S COMPLAINT, THE; or, THE TRUE CHARACTER OF THE PURSER OF A SHIP    -1:   Iantha
        +++ Princess Royal
SAYLORS FOR MY MONEY    -1:   Ioviall Cobbler, The
        +++ When The Stormy Winds Do Blow
SEA-MAN'S ADIEU TO HIS DEAR, THE    -1:   I'le go to Sir Richard
        +++ TUNE LOST
SEA-MARTYRS, THE; or, THE SEAMEN'S SAD LAMENTATION FOR THEIR FAITHFUL SERVICE BADY PAY AND CRUEL USAGE    -1:   Banstead Downs
        +++ NOT FOUND (Elsewhere given as alternative for Come Live With Me And Be My Love)
SEAMAN'S SONG OF CAPTAIN WARD THE FAMOUS PIRATE..., THE    -1:   King's Going to Bulloign, The
        +++ NOT FOUND
SEAMAN'S VICTORY, THE; or, ADMIRAL KILLEGREW'S GLRIOUS CONQUEST OVER THE FRENCH FLEET...    -1:   Spinning Wheel, The
        +++ Spinning Wheel
SEAMEN'S WIVES' VINDICATION, THE; or, AN ANSWER TO THE PRETENDED FROLICK...    -1:   O So Ungrateful a Creature
        +++ TUNE LOST (check Doubting Virgin)
TORRINGTONIA; or, A NEW COPY OF VERSES ON THE LATE SEA ENGAGEMENT    -1:   Which Nobody Can Deny
        +++ Greensleeves (short form)
UNDAUNTED SEAMAN, THE    -1:   I often for my Jenny strove
        +++ I Often for My Jenny Strove
VALIANT SEAMAN'S CONGRATULATION TO HIS SACRED MAJESTY KING CHARLES II, THE -1: Let Us Drink and Sing, or Stormy Winds Do Blow, or Hey Ho My Hony
        +++ When The Stormy Winds Do Blow
VALIANT SEAMEN'S COURAGE, THE    -1:   Fond Boy
        +++ Fond Boy
VALLIANT ADMIRAL, THE; or, THE WOMDERFUL SUCCESS OF SIR JOHN LEAKE    -1:   Thursday in the Morn
        +++ Thursday In The Morn
VERNON'S GLORY; or, THE SPANIARDS' DEFEAT    -1:   Brave Vernon's Triumph
        +++ NOT FOUND
VILLAINY REWARDED; or, THE PIRATE'S LAST FAREWELL TO THE WORLD    -1:   Russel's Farewel
        +++ Russell's Farewell


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Gutcher
Date: 28 Mar 13 - 07:44 PM

Sam--A French ballad with it"s English translation is given in A.W. Moore"s "Manx Ballads and Music" 1896, describing Thurots exploits at sea. As far as I can make out with my limited music reading ability the tune given for this ballad bears no resemblance to that to which the words given above are sung.
A long article on Thurot and Elliot is given in Manx Notes & Queries for the year 1904.


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 04:00 AM

Thanks for the captain kidd...but why does it say the tune is lost? we know the standard tune for captain kid and it looks like the longer ersion would go to the same tune...


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 04:28 AM

"but why does it say the tune is lost?"
I wondered that; maybe the OP knows.
I scanned it in from our copy of 'Naval Songs and Ballads' which was published in 1907; maybe the song wasn't as universally popular then.
The same tune is used for the goodnight ballads, Tedburn Hill and Jack Hall, and I seem to remember it being attached to one called 'I'll Be No Submissive Wife' - quite a popular tune.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 05:07 AM

It could be that Simpson was merely being precise in that we have no guarantee that the current 'Jack Hall' tune was the original tune.
However the death of Kidd, Benbow and Hall all occurred within a few years of each other in the early years of the 18thc.


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 07:41 AM

The situation is that the ballad tune specified, namely Coming Down has been lost.

Simpson treats the tune Coming Down (specified for the Captain Kid... song) under the heading song Sound a Charge and here is most of the text for that tune:

I have not found a ballad from which the tune name "Sound a Charge" could be derived. About 1660, however, a ballad was published that calls for the tune. It is T.R.'s "The Royall Subjects Joy" (Euing, Roxburghe; reprinted in RB VII 678), which has the following distinctive stanza form:

  You Loyall Subjects all
    sing for joy, sing for joy
  Good news here's at White-Hall,
    sing for joy,
  A second Charles is come,
  Though heavy news to some,
  Let them say no more but mum,
    sing for joy, sing for joy.

Another is "Touch and go; or, The French Taylor finely Trapann'd", c1670, beginning " A Tayler in the Strand,/Touch and go, touch and go," to the tune "Sound a Charge, Sound a Charge" (Rawlinson, reprinted in RB VII, 486). Its stanza contains four rather than three lines upon the b rhyme.

I have found no music entitled "Sound a Charge". The Dancing Master, 1701 et seq., contains a tune "Touch and Go", whose rhythms are unsatisfactory for singing either ballad. Several other pieces cast in the mold of "The Royall Subjects Joy" give us names of still other tunes which do not seem to have survived: "Captain Kid's Farewell to the Seas," c.1701, is to the tune of "Coming Down" (Lord Crawford 843, reprinted in C.H.Firth's Naval Songs and Ballads, 1908, p134); and a D'Urfey poem "The Moderator's Dream" is to "Chimney Sweep" (Pills, 1719-1720, II, 182, without music). There is however in Pills, 1714, V, 117, VI 251, an amorous song beginning "A Young Man and a Maid, put in all, put in all" which contains music (Fig 438) suitable to all these ballads save the hpermetrical "Touch and Go". The same air is found in The Dancing Master, II, 2d ed, 1714, 121, entitled "Put in All". Although we cannot be sure that this tune was used for the seventeenth century pieces, a strange bit of evidence strengthens the possibility. "Londons Farewell to ye parliament," a manuscript ballad of c.1642 in the hands of Henry Lawes and attributed to him, is coupled with an unnamed air (Fig 439) clearly related to the eighteenth-century "Put in all". The first stanza, a variant form interlining the music, shows the close metrical similarity to the ballads just cited:

  farewell to ye parlyament
    with a Hey with a Hey
  far well to ye parliament
    with a Hoe,
  your dear delight ye Cittye,
  whose wants have made us witty
  & a figg for ye close Comittee
    with a Hey tronony nony noe

Except for the length of the closing line here (in the text of the ballad the line contains an additional "nony") the structure is congruent with that of the other pieces under discussion. The difference is reflected in the final phrases of the two tune ....

The stanza pattern of "The Royall Subjects Joy" is also found in the more recent ballad "Sam Hall," with a fine traditional tune. It lies, however, outside the scope of our discussion. (Footnote: For an illuminating study of the roots of this ballad and associated texts and tunes, see Bertrand H. Bronson "Samuel Hall's Family Tree," California Folklore, I (1942), 47-64)


(I'll put up the two tunes later, but my dog is currently demanding the great outdoors!)

So Coming Down is lost, though the tune given by Simpson from Pills could be used (parts are similar to the Captain Kidd tune you know, though minor) or you could use something from the Sam Hall family.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 11:26 AM

I've been through my second list now - songs with Roud numbers - looking for other versions which have music specified. The search was for music or audio and both are included in the list. For songs with many versions with music I have only included 6 of them. Unless it says that only some are shown, all the other sources with tunes (in the Roud index) are listed. I think 25 of them have other versions with tunes.

The lists should show all the songs with tunes of some sort available.

Mick





ADMIRAL BENBOW Roud number       3141
Chappell, Popular Music of the Olden Time (1859) 2 pp.641-643
Whall, Sea Songs & Shanties (6th edn., 1927) pp.79-81
Whall, Ships, Sea Songs & Shanties (2nd edn., 1912) pp.104-106
Palmer, Oxford Book of Sea Songs (1986) pp.82-84
Palmer, Boxing the Compass (2001) pp.95-97

BATTLE OF THE SHANNON AND CHESAPEAKE Roud number       963
audio: Topic 12TS 285 (`Green Grow the Laurels')
audio: Musical Traditions MT CD 311-2 ('Up in the North and Down in the South')
audio: Mike Yates Collection: British Library National Sound Archive C 796/89 (VWML 27 CDA Yates)

BILLY TAYLOR (A BURLESQUE BALLAD) Roud number       158
    -- 150 entries with audio or music - these are just a few of them
Journal of the Folk-Song Society 5 (1915) pp.164-165 (18C sheet music)
Greig-Duncan Collection 1 pp.438-441 (version a)
audio: Leader LEA 4050 (`Unto Brigg Fair')
Sharp, Folk Songs from Somerset 5 pp.46-47 (Version a)
O'Shaughnessey, Yellowbelly Ballads 1 pp.13-14, 66-67
Karpeles, Cecil Sharp Collection 2 pp.63-64 (version a)

BLANCHE FRIGATE, THE Roud number       4583
+++ NO TUNES

BORNEO HEROES, THE Roud number       V1666
+++ NO TUNES

BRAGS OF WASHINGTON, THE Roud number       22795
+++ NO TUNES

CAPTAIN BARTON'S DISTRESS ON BOARD THE LICHFIELD Roud number       V1856
+++ NO TUNES

CAPTAIN COBB'S BRAVERY Roud number       7005
Tocher 6 (1972) pp.180-181
Stewart, Up Yon Wide and Lonely Glen (2012) p.218
audio: Folktrax 365 (1978) / School of Scottish StudiesSA 1955

CAPTAIN KID'S FAREWEL TO THE SEAS; or, THE FAMOUS PIRATE'S LAMENT Roud number       1900
    -- 28 entries - these are some of them
Francis Collinson MSS Collection (VWML) Vol.6 No.83 (music only)
audio: Talking Book 2/1501/26 ('Windy Old Weather') (Bob Roberts)
    (above are only 2 collected in England)
Peacock, Songs of the Newfoundland Outports 3 (1965) pp.837-839
audio: Edith Fowke Coll. (FO 64)
Colcord, Songs of American Sailormen (Oak Pubns edn) pp.136-140
Lomax, Folk Songs of North America (1960) pp.15-16

CAPTAIN MANSFIELD'S FIGHT WITH THE TURKES AT SEA Roud number       951
    -- 14 entries - these are some
audio: Folktracks FSA 033 (`Jack on the Rocks')
Journal of the Folk-Song Society 5 (1915) pp.167-169
Vaughan Williams & Lloyd, Penguin Book of English Folk Songs p.91
Baring-Gould, Songs of the West (1905 edn.) pp.226-227
audio: Topic TSCD 512D ('The Bonny Labouring Boy')
Vaughan Williams & Lloyd, Classic English Folk Songs (2003) p.59

CAWSAND BAY Roud number       22827
Baring-Gould, Garland of Country Song (1895) pp.48-49
Whall, Sea Songs & Shanties (6th edn., 1927) pp.129-132
Lucy Broadwood MSS (Vaughan Williams Memorial Library) LEB/5/130, 131
Sabine Baring-Gould MSS collection: Personal copy 1: SBG/1/2/170
Sabine Baring-Gould MSS collection: Personal copy 2: SBG/1/2/169

CONSTITUTION AND GUERRIERE, THE Roud number       626
Colcord, Songs of American Sailormen (Oak Pubns edn) pp.126-127
Wolfe, Folk Songs of Middle Tennessee (1997) pp.54-55
Lomax, American Ballads & Folk Songs pp.507-509
Shay, American Sea Songs & Chanteys (1948) pp.161-164
Harlow, Chanteying Aboard American Ships (1962) pp.184-186
audio: Library of Congress: Archive of American Folk Culture 4202 A4
audio: Library of Congress AAFS recording 423 A3
audio: Helen Hartness Flanders Collection (Middlebury College, Vermont) D31 A 06
audio: Helen Hartness Flanders Collection (Middlebury College, Vermont) D27 A 04
audio: Helen Hartness Flanders Collection (Middlebury College, Vermont) T8 A 03

DEATH OF ADMIRAL BENBOW, THE Roud number       227
    -- 24 entries - these are some of them
Copper, Song for Every Season (1971) pp.266-267
Journal of the Folk-Song Society 2 (1906) pp.236-238
Karpeles, Cecil Sharp Collection 2 pp.273-274
audio: BBC recording 9467
audio: Folktracks FSA 098 (`The Greenwood Side-I-O')
Anne Gilchrist MSS Collection (Vaughan Williams Memorial Library) AGG/7/269

DEATH OF PARKER, THE Roud number       1032
    -- 14 entries - these are some of them
Purslow, Wanton Seed (1968) p.36
Journal of the Folk-Song Society 8 (1930) pp.188-190
Hubbard, Ballads & Songs from Utah pp.254-255
Baring-Gould, Songs of the West (1905 edn.) pp.46-47
Palmer, Oxford Book of Sea Songs (1986) pp.166-168
Frank Kidson MSS (Mitchell Lib. Glasgow); 'Traditional Tunes' (m18058) p.55

DOWNFALL OF PIRACY, THE Roud number       8115
audio: Veteran VT 115 ('In Horsham Town')
Frank, The New Book of Pirate Songs (2011) pp.45-47

ENGLAND'S TRIUMPH AND HOLLAND'S DOWNFALL; or, THE SECOND ROYAL VICTORY Roud number       V1307
+++ NO TUNES

FAIR SALLY LOV'D A BONNY SAILOR Roud number       V2837
Baring-Gould, English Minstrelsie 4 (1896) pp.118-120

FAMOUS SEA-FIGHT BETWEEN CAPTAIN WARD AND THE RAINBOW Roud number       224
    -- 35 entries - these are some of them
O'Shaughnessey, Yellowbelly Ballads 1 pp.18-20, 68-70
Purslow, Wanton Seed (1968) p.24
Dawney, Ploughboy's Glory (1977) pp.38-39
Sharp, English County Folk Songs (1908-1912 / 1961) pp.72-75
Palmer, Folk Songs Collected by Ralph Vaughan Williams (1983) pp.86-88
Barrett, English Folk-Songs (1891) pp.62-63

FANCY FRIGATE, THE Roud number       2563      
Palmer, Oxford Book of Sea Songs pp.204-206
Hugill, Shanties from the Seven Seas (1961) pp.462-463
Seeger & MacColl, Singing Island (1960) p.68
Shay, American Sea Songs & Chanteys (1948) pp.178-180
Palmer, Boxing the Compass (2001) pp.210-213
audio: Robert W. Gordon Collection (American Folklife Center, LOC) Cylinder 30 item CAL 62
Hugill, Bosun's Locker (2006) pp.116-118

FEMALE LIEUTENANT, THE; or, FAITHLESS LOVER REWARDED Roud number       158
    -- 150 entries - these are some of them
Creighton, Songs & Ballads from Nova Scotia (1932) pp.64-65
Journal of the Folk-Song Society 5 (1915) pp.164-165
Greig-Duncan Collection 1 pp.438-441 (version a)
O'Shaughnessey, Yellowbelly Ballads 1 pp.13-14, 66-67
audio: Leader LEA 4050 (`Unto Brigg Fair')
Sharp, Folk Songs from Somerset 5 pp.46-47 (Version a)
      
HAWKE'S ENGAGEMENT Roud number       18256
+++ NO TUNES
   
HEARTS OF OAK Roud number       V391   
+++ NO TUNES   

HOSIER'S GHOST Roud number       22377   
Rimbault, Musical Illustrations of Bishop Percy's Reliques (1850) pp.30, 86
audio: JSP JSP 7768 ('When I Feel Froggie I'm Gonna Hop')


HUMOURS OF THE ROYAL BILLY, THE Roud number       V3972      
+++ NO TUNES

JOHN DORY Roud number       249      
Dunstan, Cornish Song Book 1 (1929) p.10
Chappell, Popular Music of the Olden Time (1859 edn.) 1 pp.67-68
Smith, Music of the Waters (1888) pp.74-75
Frank, The New Book of Pirate Songs (2011) p.5

LOSS OF THE CENTAUR, THE Roud number       V851
+++ NO TUNES

MAIDEN'S FROLICK, THE; or, A BRIEF RELATION HOW SIX LUSTY LASSES HAS PREST FULL FOURTEEN TAYLORS... Roud number       V5616
+++ NO TUNES

NEWS FROM THE COAST OF SPAIN; or, A TRUE RELATION OF A BRISK AND BLOODY ENCOUNTER... Roud number       V1994      
+++ NO TUNES

NEW SONG COMPOSED BY THE WOUNDED TARS AT THE SIEGE OF BOULOGNE, A Roud number       3175
Stokoe & Reay, Songs & Ballads of Northern England (1899) pp.178-179
Palmer, Valiant Sailor (1973) p.46
Palmer, Oxford Book of Sea Songs (1986) pp.171-172
Palmer, Boxing the Compass (2001) pp.180-181
Palmer, Oxford Book of Sea Songs (1986) pp.171-172


OH CRUEL (ANSWER TO) Roud number       V1837   
   +++ NO TUNES

OH CRUEL Roud number       V1836
Scott, English Song Book (1926) pp.74-75

PAUL JONES Roud number       967      
    -- 30 entries - these are some of them
Barrett, English Folk-Songs (1891) pp.56-57
Purslow, Constant Lovers (1972) p.66
Warner, Traditional American Folk Songs (1980) pp.349-352
Richards & Stubbs, English Folksinger (1979) pp.160-161
Baring-Gould, Songs of the West (1905 edn.) pp.220-221
audio: Musical Traditions MT CD 313 ('The Broom Blooms Bonny')

ROYAL TRIUMPH, THE; or, THE UNSPEAKABLE JOY OF THE THREE KINGDOMS Roud number       V1306      
+++ NO TUNES

RUSSIANS WON'T COME OUT, THE Roud number       V5353      
+++ NO TUNES

SAILOR'S ONELY DELIGHT, THE Roud number       134   
    -- 54 entries - these are some of them
Warner, Traditional American Folk Songs (1980) pp.329-331
Karpeles, Cecil Sharp Collection 1 pp.209-210 (Version a)
audio: Folktracks FSA 047 (`Stormy Weather Boys')
Baring-Gould & Sharp, English Folk-Songs for Schools (1906) pp.18-19
Hugill, Shanties from the Seven Seas (1961) pp.419-421 (version b)
Anne Gilchrist MSS Collection (Vaughan Williams Memorial Library) AGG/3/135a

SAUCY SCYLLA, THE Roud number       V4653
+++ NO TUNES

SHANNON AND CHESAPEAKE, THE Roud number       1583
    -- 15 entries - these are some of them
Karpeles, Cecil Sharp Collection 2 pp.281-282
Fowke & Johnston, Folk Songs of Canada 1 (1954) pp.24-25
Whall, Sea Songs & Shanties (6th edn., 1927) pp.43-45
Harlow, Chanteying Aboard American Ships (1962) pp.187-188
Lomax, Folk Songs of North America (1960) p.49
Palmer, Oxford Book of Sea Songs (1986) pp.181-183

SIR ANDREW BARTON Roud number       104   
    -- 169 entries - these are some of them
audio: Folktracks FSA 047 (`Stormy Weather Boys')
Broadwood, English Traditional Songs & Carols (1908) pp.30-31, 117
O'Shaughnessey, Yellowbelly Ballads 1 pp.43-44, 79-80
Kidson, Traditional Tunes (1891) pp.29-32 (Version a)
Karpeles, Cecil Sharp Collection 1 pp.184-185 (Version a)
audio: Folkways FG 3507 / Topic TSCD 511 (`Now is the Time for Fishing')
   
SLAVE CHASE, THE Roud number       22376      
Anne Gilchrist MSS Collection (Vaughan Williams Memorial Library) AGG/3/222d

TERRIBLE PRIVATEER, THE Roud number       9381      
+++ NO TUNES

YE PARLIAMENT OF ENGLAND Roud number       2078
Colcord, Songs of American Sailormen (Oak Pubns edn) pp.124-126
Shay, American Sea Songs & Chanteys (1948) pp.158-160
audio: Helen Hartness Flanders Collection (Middlebury College, Vermont) D13 B 18


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 05:44 PM

That's a lot of great info there, Mick.

Though no tune has survived for Blanche Frigate (as RoyP tells us in OBSS) it does go very well to the Earsdon Calling on Song and fits the spirit of the song well.

Isn't 'The Saucy Scylla' just another version of 'Fancy Frigate' and as such to the tune of 'Derry Down' which is well covered in Simpson?


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Subject: RE: Naval Songs and Ballads
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 29 Mar 13 - 08:37 PM

Steve

The Saucy Scylla in Firth has no named tune and no Derry-down chorus specified. I can see the similarities with the Fancy Frigate songs (there's one of those in Firth immediately before the Saucy Scylla) but they have separate Roud numbers (2 other SS in addition to Firth - Madden and a collection in the BL), which is why the search didn't find any other versions with tunes.


Re The Blanche Frigate, I can see that the Earsdon Calling on Song would do fine for it. I also see from RoyP's note that Tars of The Blanche was called for as the tune on a version of The Black Velvet Band (there was some discussion of this in a couple of threads here, particularly Lyr Req: Old versions of Black Velvet Band). It's not evident if it's the same tune as used now for BVB, but it would fit.

Mick


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