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Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: meself Date: 08 Apr 13 - 03:12 PM I learned the pronunciation 'ash-vault' as a child, from my Maritime-Canadian parents, and still use that pronunciation. I remember how bewildered I was when I first saw the word on the page. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:53 PM The mis-pronounciation "ash..." is not in the Oxford English Dictionary. I wonder when the mistake started. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: MartinRyan Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:02 PM Jim In effect, it's one of those words where the (mis)pronunciation is so pervasive that people usually misspell it - or look very dubiously at what they write down! At least in Ireland... Regards |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: Jim Dixon Date: 08 Apr 13 - 01:58 PM Yes, I understand it is sung that way in the song, but for all I knew, that could be intentional use of dialect. Lots of songs are written and sung in a regional dialect. What I wanted to know was: is it the standard or usual pronunciation in Britain and Ireland. Apparently it is. Since posting my question, I have also found "ash-pelt." |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: doc.tom Date: 08 Apr 13 - 01:42 PM It's "ash-felt" in Ireland and the UK , Jim . Check out the way the song rhymes : Belt , felt , melt , pelt. I doubt if many would consider themselves illiterate because they pronounce it that way. YUP! |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: MartinRyan Date: 08 Apr 13 - 01:42 PM Jim: Yes - you are so to understand! Regards |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: mayomick Date: 08 Apr 13 - 01:30 PM It's "ash-felt" in Ireland and the UK , Jim . Check out the way the song rhymes : Belt , felt , melt , pelt. I doubt if many would consider themselves illiterate because they pronounce it that way, |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: Jim Dixon Date: 08 Apr 13 - 01:17 PM Am I to understand that in Britain and Ireland "asphalt" is actually pronounced "ash-fault" or "ash-felt" and this is not considered an illiterate or dialectical pronunciation? In the US, it is always pronounced "ass-fault" and I have never heard it any other way. |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: MGM·Lion Date: 27 Mar 13 - 02:34 PM Ewan then used it as the basis of a song in his "Song Of A Road" Radio Ballad, about the building of the first Motorway; whence presumably the attribution to him mentioned above. I remember its being most admirably sung by Seamus Ennis. ~M~ |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: MartinRyan Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:51 PM Yes - the main thread is THIS ONE Not a McCall original, though he had a version from his father, alright. Regards p.s. Care needed with spelling of "asphalt" and variants! |
Subject: RE: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: MartinRyan Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:42 PM There's lots of detail on the origins of this song on Mudcat - hang on and I'll find the thread. Regards |
Subject: Origins: The Hot Ashphalt From: Bob the shantyman Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:39 PM I have been trying to find the original version of this song and it was creditted to Ewan McColl, which seems perfectly natural, but there is a version done by The Dubliners that is very different. Was that by McColl too, or was another writer at work? |
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