BS: Obama Hate Thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 May 13 - 11:43 AM

Whose "truth", PeeDee? Yours?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 May 13 - 11:50 AM

Nietzsche was quite correct. But there seems to be a little disagreement as to what IS the truth.

Nietzsche advocated thinking with your "blood and bowels." Far be it from me to disagree with Nietzsche, but I really think one does quite a bit better by using one's eyes, ears, and brain.

Pdq, your mileage may vary.

Don Firth

Subject: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 May 13 - 10:26 PM

Pelosi: GOP 'Makes So Much' of Scandals Because Obama Is 'Such a Great President'

May 16, 2013

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that Republicans are using scandals coming out of the White House to undermine President Barack Obama out of "fear," because he is "such a great president."

"They make so much of these issues, because this president is such a great president," Pelosi said during a press conference on Capitol Hill, ending a week filled with new revelations about scandals involving the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) targeting conservative groups, and the Justice Department seizing phone records of reporters at the Associated Press.

"He's a visionary—you've heard me say this so many times," Pelosi said of Obama. "This is a great president. He's a visionary. He has a knowledge of our country, concerns of the American people that give him judgment as to what plan we should have to go forward to strengthen the middle class.

"And he has an eloquence to convey that message," she said. "They fear that, and so any issue that comes up, they will try to exploit."

Pelosi acknowledged that while some of the scandals are "legitimate issues," they should not be the primary focus of Congress.

"And some of them are legitimate issues, but they should not dominate everything," she said. "And so what I think is that they have used talking points on Benghazi. They will use the IRS. They will use the AP. They will use these as, again, subterfuges, evasions of what the American people want us to do here."

Republicans are also investigating the controversies to distract away from jobs, Pelosi said.

"They want us to create jobs," she said. "Now if you're a party in Congress, and you have no intention of creating jobs, you want to change the subject.

"So I think this is as much about enforcing their anti-government ideology, of not a public role in the creation of jobs, as well as undermining the president of the United States," Pelosi said.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pelosi-gop-makes-so-much-scandals-because-obama-such-great-president

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 May 13 - 10:43 PM

Songwronger, you are being too hard on him.....He IS honest,, you know...
Any Sane person can see that!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Bill D
Date: 19 May 13 - 10:44 PM

Pelosi has it right.. but she left out noting that the Repubs are busy condemning everything Obama does because they can't seem to find a candidate in their party who is competent and charismatic. They are so busy with petty projects they don't bother to study, learn & field a candidate LIKE Obama who did bother.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 13 - 10:55 PM

Bill D: "Pelosi has it right.. but she left out ........"

this part....amoung others....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 May 13 - 11:16 PM

But people are comparing Obama to Nixon. That's just MEAN. Nixon was a criminal, right? And Obama didn't do any of those bad things. The Republicans are making it all up. Right?

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 13 - 11:31 PM

The media have already come forward that the the republicans in the house lied about what was in the Benghazi email train. So that is essentially a made up scandal. As for the IRS, when you stake your claim as being anti-tax and anti-IRS (until your guy gets in the White House and they're OK), you should expect the IRS to scrutinize you. I mean if you drive around with pro-marijuana stickers all over your car, you're going to get stopped by the cops a lot. May not be fair if you haven't violated any traffic rules but you should also KNOW you are making yourself a target.

Is Obama honest? Fuck no, he isn't honest. He's the president. Name one that was honest. That's like complaining Saddam Hussein was a dictator. Of course, he was, how else do you think he maintained his power?

The media love it, though, and play up on it like it's this huge scandal when really most people don't care. The public is largely apathetic unless it has something do with job creation, which, of course, it doesn't. We're talking the republicans, after all.

From a Yahoo article:

"According to two polls — the Gallup daily tracking poll, and a CNN/ORC International poll released Sunday — Obama's approval rating has more or less remained steady as potential scandal upon potential scandal blew up the news cycle."

Bottom line: the public don't give a fuck. Start creating jobs or shut up.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 May 13 - 02:11 AM

Guest: "Is Obama honest? Fuck no, he isn't honest. He's the president. Name one that was honest."

My exact sentiment....some just lie so much, that they fool those supporting him.

BTW, sign in with more than just 'Guest'....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 May 13 - 07:56 AM

More useless horseshit from the usual suspects.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 May 13 - 11:11 AM

Songwronger, the capitalist system is broken. Dylan had a sage comment in one of his songs. "They're only pawns in the game". You can expect the same patterns no matter who is in office until we fix the system. Regulations won't work because they will be evaded or changed by corporate power.

You can blame whomever you want but it doesn't do any good.

We need to bring democracy back to the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 May 13 - 11:37 AM

Stringsinger, THAT is one of your most 'right on' posts ever!

Broken! Both parties! Corruption!...and Dylan had it exactly correct.
We have the best broken system money can buy!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Bill D
Date: 20 May 13 - 12:25 PM

You see what you expect to see. If you simplify it all to sweeping generalizations about "Broken! Both parties! Corruption!" that's how you will define ANY action or policy. If we want the situation to improve, we have to LOOK for and support candidates who are trying to make positive changes in the system.
I get so frustrated at people who "don't vote, because it's all rigged anyway.." and assume that if 'it' isn't going to suit them, 'it' is hopelessly bogged in money and special interests! Why not spend some time trying to actually FIND the decent folks who want a better system and **support their candidacy**? I know of many in my area ... and nationally...who are struggling within the system to better the system.
I guess it must feel better to smugly proclaim your erudite understanding of everything that isn't to your liking.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 May 13 - 12:40 PM

Let's be merciful and let this thread have the quick death it deserves.   That's all I'll ever say on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 May 13 - 01:09 PM

Bill D. has the right of it.

But all the yahoos on this thread, like Songwronger and Guest from Dipshitery want to do--or seem to have the brains to do--is bitch about the system and do nothing.

And Ron is also right. I'm not going to waste my time trying to talk sense to these trolls. I'll be acting in the real world.

I'm outta here!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 13 - 07:53 PM

None who post--regardless what you say--are helping a fucking thing. This is the last post of mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 20 May 13 - 08:14 PM

I can't believe what this monster Kuhner wrote:

Beyond the IRS, AP and Benghazi lies a deeper scandal: Obamagate. Ultimately, Mr. Obama is the root cause of the White House's woes. The problem is not the president's men (and women). It is the president himself. He has no respect for the Constitution or for legal constraints on his power. He has presided over a scandal-ridden administration — Fast and Furious, Solyndra, the open bribery and abuse of parliamentary procedures to pass Obamacare, suing states seeking to uphold our immigration laws, enabling the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens simply if they're accused of being "terrorists," and now the use of government power to suppress dissent, persecute opponents, spy on the press and cover up the jihadist slaughter of Americans. Mr. Obama is a political thug masquerading as a progressive reformer. He is worse than Nixon: No one died as a result of Watergate.

Republicans should insist that several special prosecutors be appointed to investigate the administration's purported crimes. In the end, Nixon was unable to run from the truth. Mr. Obama is now running as fast as he can. It is our responsibility to catch and expose him.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/17/lawless-in-office/

Can you believe we tolerate speech like that in America? Amazing. Obama needs to get these people under control FAST.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 21 May 13 - 04:39 AM

If he has nothing to hide he has nothing to fear.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 13 - 12:58 PM

That's a REAL BIG "IF", NB!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 21 May 13 - 01:03 PM

Thank you Moe, Larry and Curly. Nice to see you back together again.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 13 - 01:14 PM

More of the same....you guys just have run out of common sense...or maybe you just never had any, and this administration has counted on that!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 21 May 13 - 06:57 PM

Okay, so what do the Republicans think they have with "Obamagate"? 1-the Benghazi scandal, 2-the I.R.S. scandal, 3-the Associated Press scandal.

In the Associated Press Scandal, they say that the Obama people spied on reporters in 2012. Tapped their phones and all that. Well boo hoo hoo. There's no freedom of speech when we're at war, reporters, so get over it.

In the I.R.S. Scandal, the Intenal Revenue Service harassed political groups that opposed Obama. Groups with "patriot" and things like that in their names. Well boo hoo hoo, you patriots. You can't oppose Obama. You were stupid to ever try. And now the Republicans are acting like it's a big deal that one of the I.R.S. people is going to invoke the Fifth Amendment rather than testify. So get over it, Republicans. Obama's government can harass you all it wants and then not have to say dick about it. That's the way democracy works now.

And Benghazi. What is the major malfunction with Republicans on this? Obama had to get his sleep the night our ambassador was killed. And now people are acting all excited because some new whistleblowers are going to come out with something. I thought Obama settled all that whistleblower nonsense. It's against his law. 'Nuff said.

Tempest in a teapot. But the Republicans are saying that half of America wants Obama impeached. Ain't gonna happen, Republicans. You just hate Obama because he won the election. Get over it. Ha ha ha.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 21 May 13 - 08:34 PM

Does anyone else hear the sound of a braying jackass? Or two?

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 13 - 10:29 PM

gillymor: "Does anyone else hear the sound of a braying jackass? Or two?"

Two??...No, just you and Greg....maybe there's a third one, but....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 21 May 13 - 11:29 PM

They're going to slam Hillary Clinton, the bastards. They're saying the new information about Benghazi will describe how she sold missiles to al Qeada to overthrow Kadaffi. Our ambassador was then killed as Clinton attempted to get the missiles back. Or so the bullshit "eyewitnesses" will claim. I bet they're Republicans. The bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 May 13 - 01:14 AM

Songwronger: "I bet they're Republicans. The bastards."

Really???..You think that the eyewitnesses were Republicans??
I'd think they were Democrats, if they were appointed by this administration.

Now this:

Lois Lerner, the IRS official who first disclosed the agency's improper targeting of conservative groups two weeks ago, will invoke her right not to testify Wednesday for fear of self-incrimination, her lawyer has told the House Oversight Committee.

Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg

"The committee has been contacted by Ms. Lerner's lawyer who stated that his client intended to invoke her Fifth Amendment right and refuse to answer questions," said oversight spokesman Ali Ahmad.

Ahmad said Lerner, the head of the IRS's tax-exempt organizations division, would still be required to appear before the committee, which means she will have to plead the Fifth in person and on camera.

"Ms. Lerner remains under subpoena from Chairman Issa to appear at tomorrow's hearing — the committee has a Constitutional obligation to conduct oversight," Ahmad said. "Chairman Issa remains hopeful that she will ultimately decide to testify tomorrow about her knowledge of outrageous IRS targeting of Americans for their political beliefs."

The TRULY amazing thing is that there still is an amendment, that hasn't been gutted....I guess the administration had to leave this one alone...it's a 'right' that THEY didn't want to abolish yet....and for 'good' reason.

The rest of the amendments, aww, the hell with them...they're a nuisance....those 'commoners', who think the Constitution is still valid, should be rounded up!...but leave the Fifth amendment alone for now...the administration isn't 'done' yet!...then they'll get rid of it, as well.

...and now for your entertainment...written for a similar situation.....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 May 13 - 08:32 AM

Boy, you two do sarcasm even worse than you do sincerity. Who woulda thunk it?
If you want to be taken seriously sit up straight, wipe the foam from your mouth and clearly state your argument without vitriol. Otherwise, you'll never convince anyone of anything. But, maybe that's not why you're here.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 22 May 13 - 07:05 PM

No, GfS, you don't understand, but then you probably haven't been receiving educative PMs from one of the moderators like I have. She's opened my eyes. Her intelligence is off the charts. It's stupefying, you know? So between her and Pelosi (see original post), I now know that Obama does no wrong. The eyewitnesses are lying. They must be. And why would they lie? First reason because they're Republican, second because they're racist. This Obamagate is a racist witch hunt carried out by lying Republicans. It couldn't be anything else. It makes perfect, logical sense. I've been told so.

And look at some of the headlines running right now:

ISSA TO HAUL LERNER BACK BEFORE COMMITTEE...

'Waived her fifth amendment rights' by giving opening statement...

IRS internal investigation ended 6 months before '12 election, was hidden from Congress...

Dem warns of special prosecutor...

SPECIAL PROSECUTOR 'INEVITABLE'...

REPORT: DOJ Seized Records of Five FOXNEWS Phone Numbers...

... INCLUDING PARENTS OF TARGETED REPORTER

REPORT: US ATTY INVESTIGATING FOX DONATED TO OBAMA...

Judge Apologizes For Lack of Transparency...

CBSNEWS reporter: My computers hacked, too...

'Began in Feb. 2011 during reporting on 'Fast and Furious''...

CBSNEWS President and WH Official Tied to Benghazi Scandal -- Are Brothers...

I don't know how Obama puts up with this impairment of his Vision. He has his precedent to deal with Americans who are interferring with his Mission, so what's he waiting for?

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 May 13 - 09:40 PM

Gosh..I guess I was fooled...for a minute I thought that this was reminiscent of the McCarthy hearings...and both sides were trying to out do the other!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 May 13 - 04:38 PM

By the way.....Is there anyone in here, who can give an explanation, on other possible reasons, as to why the events are unfolding as they are, with such a trail of lies and cover-ups?? Can anyone justify their own perceived position as to WHY this should not be investigated further??? ....without the childish attempts at trying to smear those who have brought you the posts, that are taken right from the 'news' media???

Give it a shot....if there is another part of the TRUTH that people need to know...what is it??
Fair enough??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Bill D
Date: 23 May 13 - 09:00 PM

"Fair enough???"

No... not fair enough, because you and Songwronger have, embedded in your posts, the premise that there IS "...a trail of lies and cover-ups..." that forever NEEDS further investigation. It is very much a "have you stopped beating your wife, yet, and if not, when will you?"

I can type endless explanations of 'why' most of these things are over-blown, hyped by the press who thinks hypothetical questions about a good scandal is more fun... and easier... than serious research.

Did you GfS, or SW, happen to watch Lawrence O'Donnell's expose of the IRS 'targeting of the Tea Party'? HE went and read the original law, and now faces are red and squirming is rampant because 501-c4 groups have been getting tax relief in illegal ways since 1959!! THAT is the scandal... not a few awkward attempts by amateur IRS flunkies in Cincinnati to take some silly shortcuts. But that isn't nearly so scandalous, hmmm? It sells more papers to take quotes out of context and use buzzwords in headlines.

Then, the ultimate response to those like me is to reply with MORE demands to 'defend' and 'explain' MORE innuendoes and ambiguous assertions about those scandals which may actually not BE very scandalous.

I'll quit beating my wife when you start asking her if she has ever BEEN beaten!

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Bill D
Date: 23 May 13 - 09:02 PM

No, I will not satisfy your desire to lead me into 47 more useless tries.... I have a craft show in a week.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 May 13 - 10:09 PM

Yes, we should thank Obama for using thug tax collectors to harass people he doesn't agree with. Bad patriot groups MUST be targeted. Makes perfect sense to me.

And bad reporters MUST be spied upon so they can't report lies about Obama. The first amendment protection of freedom of the press doesn't apply now. We're at war. With someone or other. I'll trust Obama to tell me when we can have our free speech back.

The five congressional committees looking into Obama's administration need to stop messing around. We can't have him distracted from his Vision right now. Look at the disgusting headlines the Republicans are currently running:

HOLDER OK'D SEIZURE OF FOX REPORTER EMAILS

Holder to Investigate -- Holder...

VIDEO: Schumer, Franken scurry from questions about IRS scandal...

NOONAN: IRS ON THE BRINK...

Pelosi Blames 'Bush Appointee'...

ISSA Seeks Interviews Of 13 Officials Involved In Benghazi...

Issa's panel inching closer to asking for Hillary Clinton's testimony on Benghazi

Disgusting. And how dare they suggest Hillary Clinton has anything to answer for. She is beyond reproach. This is turning into a circus. Completely unacceptable. Obama needs to shut down the government and give those clowns a month or two to think about things. I don't see how our democracy can survive if he doesn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 May 13 - 10:18 PM

...But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the story of Catherine Engelbrecht—a nice woman, a citizen, an American. She and her husband live in Richmond, Texas. They have a small manufacturing business. In the past few years she became interested in public policy and founded two groups, King Street Patriots, and True the Vote.

In July 2010 she sent applications to the IRS for tax-exempt status. What followed was not the harassment, intrusiveness and delay we're now used to hearing of. The US government came down on her with full force.

In December 2010 the FBI came to ask about a person who'd attended a King Street Patriots function. In January 2011 the FBI had more questions. The same month the IRS audited her business tax returns. In May 2011 the FBI called again for a general inquiry about King Street Patriots. In June 2011 Engelbrecht's personal tax returns were audited and the FBI called again. In October 2011 a round of questions on True the Vote. In November 2011 another call from the FBI. The next month, more questions from the FBI. In February 2012 a third round of IRS questions on True the Vote. In February 2012 a first round of questions on King Street Patriots. The same month the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms did an unscheduled audit of her business. (It had a license to make firearms but didn't make them.) In July 2012 the Occupational Safety and Health Administration did an unscheduled audit. In November 2012 more IRS questions on True the Vote. In March 2013, more questions. In April 2013 a second ATF audit.

All this because she requested tax-exempt status for a local conservative group and for one that registers voters and tries to get dead people off the rolls. Her attorney, Cleta Mitchell, who provided the timeline above, told me: "These people, they are just regular Americans. They try to get dead people off the voter rolls, you would think that they are serial killers."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion

Can you believe the GALL of these people, trying to purge the names of dead people from voting rolls? Lunatics like that HAVE to be harassed.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 May 13 - 11:12 PM

Well, at least 'Bill D' did come up with something..and that I give him credit for. Here is a very interesting link, that gets into the 'Non-profits'...This covers both parties..and you may fins it informative:
Non-profits & the IRS.....from another perspective.
...as I've REPEATEDLY posted, the corruption is on BOTH sides!

When will we ever get a government who is on the side of representing what we people want...instead of being given a couple of lame choices, that we are TOLD, we must want???!!!???....and then have to pay for it??...

I remember someone telling me once, "A bagain is something you get a discount on, that you didn't want in the first place".
'Politics' makes it happen!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: pdq
Date: 24 May 13 - 11:41 AM

GfS...

Sorry to tell you this, but ProPublica is another Left-leaning activist organization. Their biggest financial supporter is George Soros.

They are right in to middle of the Obama IRS scandal:


"In May 2013, the IRS was heavily criticized for admitting to targeting conservative tax exempt groups for added scrutiny. In December 2012 and January 2013, ProPublica published and reported on confidential pending applications for groups requesting tax exempt status. After the scandal broke, ProPublica clarified how it obtained the documents, writing, 'In response to a request for the applications for 67 different nonprofits last November, the Cincinnati office of the IRS sent ProPublica applications or documentation for 31 groups. Nine of those applications had not yet been approved—meaning they were not supposed to be made public.'"

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 May 13 - 09:44 PM

Oh Goodie!...Even Soros and crew seem to know more than the president about how it works!
God help us!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 May 13 - 08:04 AM

Well, PeeDee, REALITY is "left-leaning", by your definition of the political spectrum.

Then, there's the Koch Brothers propaganda machine........

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 May 13 - 04:46 PM

Good, now we have Soros and the Kochs...and both are funding to subvert our governmental system, and steer it towards their agendas....and they are both dickheads for doing so......unless you like one's form of corruption over the other, in which case that makes you, or anybody, a self ascribed dickhead, right along with them!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 May 13 - 06:03 PM

The Koch boys, plus Bob Perry, Harold Simmons, Sheldon Adelson, John Ricketts and William S. Rose outspend Soros 1,000 to 1, DickheadInSanity.

There's that "liberal" reality again.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 May 13 - 07:38 PM

So, Seven wrongs make it 'right'??

BTW, Those mean Republicans MADE AG Holder sign the warrants, and perjure himself, didn't they??
It's on the 'news'.

Well, as I've been saying ALL ALONG, there is just too much corruption in Washington...both sides...except YOUR side doesn't count, 'right'??


Here, check it out yourself....

Don't you just LOVE that transparency???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 May 13 - 06:11 PM

Those Republicans won't let Obama alone. He had tornado business to take care of, plus a four day weekend and they STILL harass him. Look at the headlines:

Washington launches four different investigations into IRS mess...

Issa subpoenas State Dept. documents on Benghazi...

REPORT: HOLDER WENT JUDGE SHOPPING TO OBTAIN FOXNEWS SUBPOENA...

House Judiciary investigating whether Attorney General lied under oath...

REPORT: Holder 'beginning to feel creeping sense of personal remorse'...

And then there's this lunatic woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkSkQgnEV-Q&feature=share

This nutcase thinks there should be LIMITS to Obama's power. She should be wearing a tin foil hat in this video.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 13 - 09:52 AM

They're hiding their faces...but then, the Republicans would be, too!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 13 - 02:09 PM

It happens in China routinely. It frequently happened in the old Soviet Union. Undoubtedly in North Korea, although generally there's no one around to witness it. But in the United States? It happens here, too, apparently.

A lawsuit has been filed by officials with the Rutherford Institute on behalf of a Marine who was jailed and held for the comments he made on Facebook – comments that expressed a dissatisfaction with the present direction of the U.S. government.

According to officials at Rutherford, the civil rights action names as defendants members of law enforcement and the government who were involved in last year's episode where Marine veteran Brandon Raub, 27, was arrested by a swarm of FBI and Secret Service and forcibly detained in a psychiatric ward for a week.

His crime was posting controversial song lyrics and political views on Facebook, the institute reported.

In one of his postings, he cited the evil in the world.

"The United States was meant to lead the charge against injustice, but through our example not our force. People do not respond to having liberty and freedom forced on them," he wrote.

He was released later when a judge stepped in and concluded the prosecution's case against Raub was "so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy."

The lawsuit asks for damages for Raub for the attack he endured. It was filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond, Va., and claims Raub's seizure and detention were part of a plan executed by the Obama administration called "Operation Vigilant Eagle."

That, the institute explains, was a federal program to do surveillance on military veterans who express views critical of the government.

Institute attorneys claim the attempt to label Raub as "mentally ill" and authorities' efforts to involuntarily commit him into custody was intended to silence his criticism of the government. However, they explain the strategy also violated Raub's First and Fourth Amendment rights.

"Since coming to Raub's defense, The Rutherford Institute has been contacted by military veterans across the country recounting similar incidents. In filing a civil suit against government officials, Rutherford Institute attorneys plan to take issue with the manner in which Virginia's civil commitment statutes are being used to silence individuals engaged in lawfully exercising their free speech rights," the organization said.

"Brandon Raub's case exposed the seedy underbelly of a governmental system that is targeting military veterans for expressing their discontent over America's rapid transition to a police state," said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute.

"Brandon Raub is not the first veteran to be targeted for speaking out against the government. Hopefully, by holding officials accountable, we can ensure that Brandon is the last to suffer in this way."

It was last Aug, 16 when Chesterfield police, Secret Service and FBI agents arrived at Raub's home and asked to talk with him about his Facebook posts.

"Like many Facebook users, Raub, a Marine who has served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, uses his Facebook page to post song lyrics and air his political opinions. Without providing any explanation, levying any charges against Raub or reading him his rights, law enforcement officials handcuffed Raub and transported him to police headquarters, then to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will," the Institute reported.

"In a hearing on Aug. 20, government officials pointed to Raub's Facebook posts as the reason for his incarceration. While Raub stated that the Facebook posts were being read out of context, a Special Justice ordered Raub be held up to 30 more days for psychological evaluation and treatment."

When Circuit Court Judge Allan Sharrett, however, found out about the case, he ordered it dismissed and Raub released, because there was no evidence of a case.

In asking the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia to acknowledge the harm done to Raub and to rectify the violation of his First, Fourth, Fifth and 14th Amendment rights, Institute attorneys are requesting that Raub be awarded damages.

The 14-page complaint describes Raub's "baseless incarceration" and said it violated his free speech, due process and other rights.

The complaint claims the arrest was a "pretext" that was orchestrated to "silence Raub's speech critical of the government by subjecting him to involuntary commitment."


My, How 'liberal' can you get????

GfS

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/jailed-for-facebook-comments-marine-sues/#VEII13Ii17TkQ4hf.99

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 13 - 05:09 PM

Well, there it is, sports fans. I KNEW Goofball got his so-called information from web sites and e-mail newsletters like World News Daily.

Fox News looks like a bunch of Left-Wingers compared to that "let's get Obama impeached" bunch of bigots. They much prefer a real American, like Paul Ryan or Rick Perry.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 29 May 13 - 06:11 PM

Well, we know it's all about racism, Mr. Firth. That's obvious. The people who point out that Obama wants to cut Social Security and Medicare with his 2014 budget are really saying "He's black." That's a no brainer.

And now the damned Republicans are making a big deal out of Operation Fast and Furious again. USA Today says Attorney General Holder should resign because of it:

http://12160.info/page/obama-s-fast-and-furious-gun-running-scandal-grows

It looks like Holder is going to be sacrificed, like Attorney General John Mitchell was during Watergate. But in Holder's case it will be because he's black. That's a no brainer.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/05/28/fire-eric-holder-column/2367713/

Obama has asked the Pentagon to draw up a plan to create a no-fly zone over Syria, so I think we're safe for now. Obama will be "too busy" ;-) with a new war pretty soon, and people who question him will be unamerican. Like that U.S. Marine GfS posted about. What an unamerican piece of trash. How dare he question Obama's government. It looks like Obama will be busting some drones on unamerican racist trash here in the homeland pretty soon. It's a good thing he's at the controls instead of that crazy man George Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 13 - 06:27 PM

So you liked Bush, then?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 29 May 13 - 07:02 PM

It looks like my guardian moderator is censoring my posts. Kissy kissy, may little Magpie.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 May 13 - 08:17 PM

"Censoring", ShitWringer? You're lucky you aren't barred entirely. Think Martin Gibson.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 13 - 11:26 PM

Songwronger: "USA Today says Attorney General Holder should resign because of it:"

Damn Republicans might even go as far as filing criminal charges, for perjury....now that's going to far!....Only Congress should be able to lie...that's unfair!!!

...and Don...Really???.....attacking 'World News Daily'???....Better call the IRS!!...We'll have to wait until 'Media Matters' has their say!!
MSNBC should tell us when!!...then they'll check it out with Holder, to make sure of the 'accuracy'...and then leave it up to Jay Carney to explain it all, and after a month or two of evolving statements, he'll cover every possibility, but the truth, and by process of elimination, we'll get to the bottom of it....and once you know THAT formula, how can anyone say that this administration was 'anything less than transparent'????.......and you know what???...if there is anything less than a Republican, it must be your regular run of the mill American citizen.....PESTS!

GfS

...hmmm, wait a minute...I got it all wrong...and so does the rest of the dummy Americans......TRANSPARENCY???....isn't that like being able to see right through them????