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Tech: ABCexplorer for songs

Les in Chorlton 06 Apr 13 - 12:26 PM
GUEST,Grishka 07 Apr 13 - 05:39 AM
Les in Chorlton 07 Apr 13 - 08:20 AM
GUEST,Grishka 07 Apr 13 - 09:34 AM
Les in Chorlton 08 Apr 13 - 05:02 AM
GUEST,Grishka 08 Apr 13 - 11:29 AM
Les in Chorlton 08 Apr 13 - 12:36 PM
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Les in Chorlton 09 Apr 13 - 03:12 AM
Les in Chorlton 10 Apr 13 - 02:46 AM
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Subject: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 12:26 PM

I have found quite a few sites for ABCexplorer Notation for tunes - The Session and JC's Tunefinder.

Can anybody recommend sites that are good for ABC Notation for songs?


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 05:39 AM

If you are talking about folk songs in English, the homepage http://abcnotation.com/ lists many sources, and also software. "ABC explorer" (presumably by French programmers) is just one of many software products.

If you specify a genre, the specialists may tell you more.


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 08:20 AM

Thanks Grishka, I have used that one - not as comprehensive as the tunes sites - I wonder why that is?


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:34 AM

I have no idea, Les. I am sure that we have many experts here whom you might lure by being more specific about your wishes.

Tune collections do not only differ by their comprehensiveness, but also by the quality of edition. Scholarly exactness sometimes conflicts with practicality for a particular purpose. Do you want new material for your instrumental "play-alongs"? The more details you give about your intentions, the more likely you will be helped by a specialist.


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 05:02 AM

Thanks again Grishka. i feel I will find the answer here if their is one.

I am not looking for tunes as such- ABCexplorer for tunes is in great shape and I use it a lot - I have almost never failed to find ABC for jigs, reels, polkas and so on but songs are a different matter.

I have been searching for ABC or just sheet music for:

The Lancashire Lads, The Light Dragoon, The Glendalough Saint, The Workers Beer and a number of other quite well known folk songs with out any success.


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 11:29 AM

I see, Les. Those of us who know where to find those songs might not have guessed from your thread title that you are looking for them. You can create a new thread "Where to find sheet music for some songs?", and list the titles. I bet you will get many answers. The songs may be in databases by different titles. If you only find (reasonably well-behaved) MIDI files, ABCexplorer (the software) can "import" them, i.e. convert them to ABC notation. If you have problems with that, Mudcatters can probably help you easily.


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 12:36 PM

Thanks again Grishka,

I am looking for 'ABCexplorer for songs' but will settle for the dots ie the sheet music - which I can put into ABCexplorer.

Songs I am currently looking for include:

The Light Dragoon, The Glendalough Saint, The Workers Beer, The Rout of the Blues, Hanging on the old barbed wire, The Black Seam (By Sting), The Star of the County Down, and Stormy Old weather Boys.


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:57 PM

If it's the dots you're looking for I know a great site with the dots for "The Star of County Down". It's Here


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 03:12 AM

Thanks Nigel,

I have sinced found The Star of the County Down, and Stormy Old weather Boys on that rather wonderful site but am still searching for:

The Light Dragoon, The Glendalough Saint, The Workers Beer, The Rout of the Blues, Hanging on the old barbed wire, The Black Seam (By Sting)

Cheers


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 02:46 AM

So, Mudcat is obviously a great source - although only Nigel mentioned it and This one from Grishka.

Anything other sites good for songs in ABC?


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 08:35 AM

Mudcat's "Digital Tradition" seems to collect ABC versions of all folk songs in English or Irish language. If the lyrics are present but the tune is missing, it would certainly be welcome to be added (if sufficiently "original").

"The Glendalough Saint" can be found twice on YouTube. Most of us could easily transcribe either version to ABC, but a more scholarly approach would be preferable, using old sources. Copyrighted songs are a different topic.

To attract those in the know, you should ask for the thread title to be changed, particularly to drop "Tech" and "explorer". "Songs in ABC notation?" might do the trick.


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: pavane
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 01:27 PM

Star of the County Down is known by several names, e.g. King of the Fairies, Dives & Lazarus. Maybe some of the others you need have alternative titles?

Rout of the Blues is also Success to the Blues. The worker's beer - if this refers to the watering of, then it is modern, surely copyright. Hanging on the old barbed wire is WWII or later.


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: pavane
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 01:29 PM

My program can convert MIDI to abc, but only if the MIDI was created by a sequencer, otherwise the variable timing will give unusable results


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 05:41 PM

Isn't this the answer Les

http://www.lesession.co.uk/abc/abc_notation_part2.htm#words

http://www.lesession.co.uk/abc/abc_extensions.htm#words


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: Brakn
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 05:49 PM

That was me Les - I've just sent you the Dorset with lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Tech: ABCexplorer for songs
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 03:27 AM

Hi Mike,

you missed an excellent session last night ................ but never mind that now............

Their is a Site called the Session:

Here

It has thousands of tunes in ABCexplorer - we can simply copy the notation and paste it into our own copy of ABC and play the tune then export it as a pdf - a sheet of music - hence The Beech Tune Book and all that stuff on our website:


Our Tune Book in pdf and ABCexplorer

As Grishka pointed out above this site is quite good for songs:

Here

and the Search at the top of the Mudcat home page is also quite good for songs.

but none re anywhere near as comprehensive as The Session is for tunes - ie country dance tunes that we play in sessions -

But perhaps other people know otherwise

Thanks again to all

Les


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