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BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion

GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Apr 13 - 10:48 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Apr 13 - 10:46 AM
Little Hawk 27 Apr 13 - 01:36 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Apr 13 - 12:45 AM
GUEST,concerened 26 Apr 13 - 08:14 AM
GUEST,concerened 26 Apr 13 - 03:19 AM
Steve Shaw 25 Apr 13 - 07:40 PM
Jack the Sailor 25 Apr 13 - 01:14 PM
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Steve Shaw 25 Apr 13 - 11:13 AM
GUEST,concerened 25 Apr 13 - 10:32 AM
Jack the Sailor 25 Apr 13 - 10:00 AM
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Steve Shaw 25 Apr 13 - 09:49 AM
Steve Shaw 25 Apr 13 - 09:47 AM
Jack the Sailor 25 Apr 13 - 08:29 AM
Steve Shaw 25 Apr 13 - 07:33 AM
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GUEST,Musket sans reality check 25 Apr 13 - 03:32 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Apr 13 - 07:11 PM
Jack the Sailor 24 Apr 13 - 04:14 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Apr 13 - 10:48 AM

typo correction.....'last' in the lsat sentence....

Guilty as charged....forty days in the electric chair!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Apr 13 - 10:46 AM

.....yeah, and I can't even enter a plea 'not guilty' by reason of insanity.....
..but there are a few who certainly have shown contempt of the court of public opinion!......
...and there are those who have made willful confessions of being ignorant of the law!....
..and there are those who are still trying to be represented by a pubic defender!...but he's been a little late, in showing up!....oh wait, that's public defender?????...well, it doesn't matter, neither one looks like they're going to make it!

Good point, Little Hawk......ya' ever wonder how long THAT will lsat, the way things are goin'?

Regards, as Usual!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Apr 13 - 01:36 AM

Non-agreement with any of the persons on this thread is not a crime or a misdemeanour. ;-)

And that goes for all the other threads around here too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Apr 13 - 12:45 AM

concerened: "Hey Guys check out the other religion threads and see jerk the sailors latest offerings.
Has he lost it or what?..as if there was any doubt!!!"


Oh, NOW you expect 'faith'!!!???!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 08:14 AM

Hey Guys check out the other religion threads and see jerk the sailors latest offerings.

Has he lost it or what?..as if there was any doubt!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 03:19 AM

Well said Steve!! About time some one else called the smug chowderhead and self opiniated nautical fraud to account.

Hows it feel Seaman Stayns?


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 07:40 PM

Never feels should have been never fails. Too much Kernow sunshine (not).


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 01:14 PM

Are you talking to me?


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 12:55 PM

Do you mean that his atheism has left you speechless???
In a good way or bad way??...or the apple way??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 12:47 PM

I am so sorry Mr. Shaw. But I have no idea what you are talking about. What do you say that you and I put an end to this conversation with each other?


I respectfully cede the last word to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 12:43 PM

Dainty feelings???...well of course you have 'dainty feelings'..just think, if you were hip to 'God', you'd be used to watching mankind fuck up...even say you don't exist....but you'd still shine the sun on them, and let it rain...and still love them!....maybe even inspire one of them-those musician-kind to compose a beautiful piece, just to let the 'hard of hearing' types get a clue.
.....but then, there's those ol' harmonica players, who always gotta keep slamming the spit out of their instruments!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 11:13 AM

That wasn't my dainty feelings, Wacko, wot I have not got. It was good advice to a fellow who castigates others for their negativity and rudeness yet who never feels to partake in such traits himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 10:32 AM

Gosh!! you are really losing it Cap'n Bilge..resorting to asshole creeping and brown nosing now are we?


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 10:00 AM

Oh! Sorry Steve. I thought you were bantering. I should have accounted for your dainty feelings. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 09:56 AM

Apple??? What apple??....part of the 'religion' thing??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 09:49 AM

Rogue apostrophes? Probably Eve's fault too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 09:47 AM

You don't half rattle on about other' people's rudeness, Jacko. Ever considered refraining from it yourself for a minute so as to, er, occupy the moral high ground yourself? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 08:29 AM

It is apparent from this thread that self-infantilization (autoinfantilization?) is an easy task for some non-believers. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 07:33 AM

Come off it, Blandiver. You know full well that all that horror you describe would never have happened had some woman not bitten into someone else's apple... ;-)

To put it another way, isn't religion the ultimate infantilisation of the human species?


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 06:36 AM

GUEST below woz me.

Check this out for perfect joy.

Michael Hurley, Slurf Song 2011


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 06:32 AM

I also wrote our werewolf song - Winter Werewolf (aka Fevered Prayer) for a CD project on Werewolf Lore in Sweden. That's still on-line c/o The Wire - listen to it here:

http://thewire.co.uk/audio/tracks/stream-tracks-from-werewolf-songs_music-inspired-by-swedish-folklore

What's that got to with anything? Well...

Beyond the realm of human perception and culture, the universe is an incomprehensible hellish wasteland, and what life there is exists solely to devour its prey in horrible ways. I had to switch of BBC4's Rock Pool documentary the other night as the alien-tooth maw of a Dog Whelk drilled through the Mussel shell to suck out the living creature within - and the scene of the cold-eyed Cuttle Fish demolishing the Crab was as disturbingly horrific as anything I've seen in Horror or Sci-Fi. Such grim & agonising realities largely confirm my life-long Gnostic leanings, though not being of a supernatural cast of mind I don't harbour ideas about a Demiurge Creator, but recognise that, as far as we Humans are concerned, the Natural World is very much Other / Evil.

Nature infects us, freezes us, starves us, terrifies us, violates our cultural / cognitive sanctity, and will, at last, destroy us utterly & horribly by means of stroke, cancer, heart failure or any number of ingeniously rancid means of terminating our all-too brief miserable tenures that would put even the most sadistic murderer to shame. Hardly the wonder we came up with the idea of Religion & God as a mythic salve to our various woes & wonderings, personifying our barely understood universe in terms of light & dark, benevolence & malevolence - the good, the bad, and the very ugly indeed. But it was all made-up by we Humans trying to make sense of the senseless as soon as we found ourselves different from the rest of it. Some say 50,000 years; others say there's evidence of Human funeral rights going back 180,000; still a mere blink in the cosmic scheme; even the biological one which rages over Planet Earth in a Godless determination to survive at any price; to kill or else be killed.


Enchanted by the moon, the Werewolf loses their humanity and goes out on the hellish spree regardless of the cost. There are, of course, no Werewolves. They are metaphors for the human condition in which a tiny minority of people are inclined to do that sort of thing anyway, often exceptionally, living only to repent at having acted in natural haste in their leisurely incarceration. Meanwhile, in nature, all is red in tooth and claw with murder and rape being pretty much the order of the day. Again, hardly the wonder the Gnostics perceived that as hell; hell as the natural here & now presided over by the Devil inspired by the God of the Old Testament into which darkness sparks Logos, or The Word, or Jesus Christ, a single point of light in an unremitting realm of utter & total darkness. Metaphorically speaking, of course...


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 06:10 AM

"Oh. Salty Jack says atheism is an organisation because Dawkins says so.

Jack is religious therefore supports suicide bombing, genital mutilation and allowing priests to abuse children.

Zzzzzzzz "


Sorry to bore you old bean. You can stop talking to me whenever you want you know. And you have to realize that I am generally talking about you rather than to you. And you have to realize that is because you keep saying that you are taking the piss and that you think it is OK to lie about this topic.

But I really didn't realize you had set me a goal of amusing you. I also didn't realize that we were using the Mather Blather Dictionary of Unique to Blather Idiosyncratic Definitions.

You post above kind of ties this thread into a neat bow. Doesn't it? Also the one about needing to be right. I guess when you are only "taking the piss" and you "don't have to think before you post" and you can change the definitions of key terms at will, you can always be right. In you own mind you are right anyway. I guess luckily for you at least have Ian to agree with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 05:00 AM

Very interesting concept song blandiver.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 04:41 AM

Do you write songs? If so, I'll bet they are a joy to sing.

Very rarely as I'm a committed Traddy, though I came up with this a while back in tribute to Edward Gorey:

Seven Years Old


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 03:32 AM

Oh. Salty Jack says atheism is an organisation because Dawkins says so.

Jack is religious therefore supports suicide bombing, genital mutilation and allowing priests to abuse children.

Zzzzzzzz


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 07:11 PM

My opinion of religion is that it is a fine and noble thing when the dark side of human nature doesn't exploit and tarnish it.

You appear to have missed the point (why, there's a first!). Religion is the dark side of human nature, exploiting and perverting our natural curiosity for the mysterious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 04:14 PM

Blandiver I do enjoy and admire the poetic phrasing in your posts. Do you write songs? If so, I'll bet they are a joy to sing.


My opinion of religion is that it is a fine and noble thing when the dark side of human nature doesn't exploit and tarnish it.

I feel the same way about nude pictures of women, alcohol, music, politics.. just about everything in this world actually.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 04:13 PM

Good thing you enjoy fire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 04:06 PM

Atheism's about getting back to the fundamentals of life before Religion came along and fecked it up for everyone. The myth was good crack, but it quickly soured when people started believing in it.

(I know I'm on Jack the Sailor's rude list, but I'm saying this nicely with a big warm avuncular smile as I sit on my rocking chair in front of a crackling log fire randomly frailing the melody of Michael Hurley's Slurf Song on my wife's old 5-string as the corn pops in the pan. Does it get any nicer? A lot nicer without religion getting in the way...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 03:00 PM

Yes. Yes. Yes. Mr. Ian Mathers AKA. Musket. Very nice tap dancing around definitions in an attempt to irritate me and bait me.


Atheism is a cause here http://www.richarddawkins.net/.

If you don't like that, take it up with Richard Dawkins.
They even have a "get involved" section. Here's an idea. Why don't you stop wasting your time here and go "get involved?"

And yes, I make typos every not and then and yes, I am inclined to use the spell checker on my P.C. rather than trying to please you.

Go find someone else to pester.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 02:31 PM

I can't even say something nice about Sheffield Wednesday without him having a go. Jaysus, doesn't he realise how bloody hard that is for me???


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Musket
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 02:25 PM

This from Sailor Jack;

"proselytize

pros·e·ly·tize
verb \ˈprä-s(ə-)lə-ˌtīz\
intransitive verb
1
: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2
: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause"

Which definition are you using when you speak of atheism? If you use 1. there is no faith. if you use 2. there is no party, institution or cause.

Atheism means not believing. So.. I must be an atheist. My dog must be, the brick wall that is like conversing with you etc etc.

Do you seriously see atheism as a cult? Is it a movement in your eyes? Do you see lack of faith as a threat to faith?

For Clapton's sake, get out of your hang up box and do some thinking, you have proved you can on non religion threads.



Ok.. That's pushing it a bit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 01:57 PM

who has. Sheesh. :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 01:55 PM

Well I cherish it. I enjoy a cordial relationship with almost everyone on this forum who have ever engaged me in discussion. It's true. I have a mailbox full of lovely exchanges to prove it, often with people who have vehemently disagreed with me in public. If you really want someone other than a saint to be nice, Jack, you have to stop being abrasive every time they pop up, stop misrepresenting what they say, get those bees out of your bonnet and try to engage properly with what they're saying. And stop sounding so bitter. You fall down on every one of those points time and time again. Otherwise it's best to keep quiet. If you don't enjoy a cordial relationship with me, you have some questions to ask yourself. I'm all right, Jack. But this is about you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 11:03 AM

GfS

You said.

"So, what is it???....All one has to do on one of these 'atheist' threads, is say something 'nice', and it sinks like a stone??

I started a thread meant to me nice Sunday and I thought it must have been totally invisible until I saw that someone commented about how it sank so fast. And that person was complaining about me not being nice on another thread. I don't think that "nice" is a cherished commodity on the Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 10:49 AM

So, what is it???....All one has to do on one of these 'atheist' threads, is say something 'nice', and it sinks like a stone??

If we piss, bitch, and moan with fear and loathing, that keeps the thread going???

How about constructive things to get from point 'A' to point 'B'????

But, then on the atheist's threads, what is constructive??...and what is a point 'A' or point 'B'?????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 06:17 PM

olddude, I have usually found your posts uplifting, and certainly not as sarcastic, nor satirical as mine(which some people just don't get). You've been refreshing and supportive of good stuff!
Be easy on yourself..you come across really cool!

Warmest Regards!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:19 PM

and me, no one can and should use me as an example. I am flawed, I know that and that is why I take nightly inventory


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:10 PM

and I am sorry Steve if you thought I was talking about you or any of the regular posters. The mud elves took off some visiting trolls that want to come in toss their poo and then leave. Like I said I don't own the site or police it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:00 PM

why would you think I was talking about you Steve, and yes I do write music, quite a lot of it with a strong following but that is besides the point. There are a lot of posters on mudcat that come to insult and move on as guests. One only has to look at any thread. If you play good for you .. that is great .. atheist have nothing to do with my comment. visiting trolls does unless you count yourself among them. I didn't


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:57 PM

Musket sans cookie: "That takes some thinking through. Be careful about my instinct."

That's true.....and I wouldn't mess with your instincts....that is a job for where you got them from!
Actually, when parts of the brain light up, as per aforementioned, your instincts get so mega-enhanced, that all sorts of stuff lights up! It's like you hear and see with different eyes and ears...music, and musical abilities take a quantum leap, as well....and my dear pubic brother, I wouldn't shit you about that!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:52 PM

dunno Jack
by the way there are atheists on mudcat that follow it even though they don't believe. They have that foundation. Hate to name names
but Will Fly is a brother to me and the kindest person one will meet. along with many others. Free will is a very important thing. None of my friend wish to change me or I them


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:47 PM

Is Jerry on Face book?


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:46 PM

Well, old dude, I'm a very good harmonica player who writes for a harmonica magazine, who's made a CD of traditional music that got great reviews and who plays in all the Irish sessions around here. I have no desire to rattle on about this, but on this occasion I think it's best you shut your big gob about other people's musical abilities until you are in possession of the facts. What do you do, by the way? Whatever it is, I wouldn't dream of knocking it until I knew. Find some other bloody way of knocking atheists, will you, preferably using your brain this time, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:44 PM

and Jerry never talked it, he walked it


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:42 PM

every person I know of faith knows this passage. If Dawkins is not saying the same thing then he too has missed the whole idea of this life. It ain't about preacher, popes, religion or leaders. It is about Christ and that is my path, you must find your own and not try to change others who follow this path

1 Corinthians 13

New International Version (NIV)

13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:14 PM

As a person of faith, every night I sit down and do an inventory and ask myself what have I done right today, who needed help and I didn't respond, who did I hurt.

that is me, however regardless of what you do or don't believe why are you not doing the same thing if you truly believe in your non belief, if only to be a better person. Does that include pissing on everyone else? If so you may want to think about it and see were you are in life, that is if you truly want to be a better human being


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:03 PM

Technically you are correct about evangelize.

From now on I'll use this word. Definition 2

proselytize

pros·e·ly·tize
verb \ˈprä-s(ə-)lə-ˌtīz\
intransitive verb
1
: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2
: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:01 PM

Well people can insult me anytime, I don't get upset anymore cause I don't care but insulting Chongo will get ya in deep around here. We love the little invisible chimp


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Subject: RE: BS: Non-belief in a god is not a religion
From: GUEST,Musket sans sin
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:58 PM

I'll say it again too. Evangelising atheists is an oxymoron.


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