BS: Role model my 'arris!

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Apr 13 - 06:00 AM

"Suarez was was banned for seven games in November 2010 while playing for Dutch side Ajax for a similar incident in which he bit PSV Eindhoven midfielder Otman Bakkal's shoulder during a match.

During his time at Liverpool, the Uruguayan has received bans of eight matches for racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra and one match for making an an abusive gesture at Fulham fans."

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: GUEST,Lavengro
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 03:36 PM

If I got a bit upset in work and sank my teeth into someone (not for the first time either) I could expect two things. The sack, and a court appearance possibly leading to a custodial term.

If he was in the real world and not surrounded by team lawyers and semi-professional apologists he clearly wouldn't cope or keep his employment or freedom. In fact if he did that in his local local pub he might find himself beaten to a pulp without the intervention of a referee.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 03:07 PM

What a fuss about nothing. Football (soccer) is played by overpaid, immature non UK nationals, in the main. How can anyone get excited about, or support a team that has a British name, and up to 100% non British players. It beggars belief, that they're not done, under the trades descriptions act, for deception.
They are overpaid, over excitable, and underwhelming!
I should expect anyone who is paid that amount of money, to behave themselves, as a quid pro quo for the staggeringly large pay packet.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: gnu
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 02:18 PM

I got as far as the first line of the second post and thought "Only a ten match ban? Not a this and next season ban with NO pay?" for a START? NO jail time for assault? WTF?

Role models apparently are not found in the the league's executives or team's owners or in police uniform.

Rather appalling.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 02:12 PM

"cynical "professional" fouls to stop direct scoring chances, elbows thrust into faces and double-footed studs-up tackles that are absolutely not accidental. "

I said that they could claim that the INJURIES were accidental.

"I hit him to keep him from scoring but I didn't mean to injure him."

Teeth marks are proof of the intent to injure.

You can't credibly say "I grabbed his arm and bit him to keep him from scoring."

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 02:07 PM

Heheh. Just found this on wiki about Norman Hunter.

His nickname "Bites yer legs" stemmed from his strength in the tackle. When Hunter himself suffered a broken leg, club trainer Les Cocker was informed that "Hunter had broken a leg" and responded with "whose is it?"

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 02:00 PM

Did Norman ever actually bite anyone's leg? I could always write to Notes & Queries in the Grauniad...

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 01:50 PM

Often wonder how long Norman Hunter would last with today's referees. Of course, it was on our hallowed turf that Di Canio, wearing a Wednesday shirt pushed the referee to the ground. I supported him and made excuses so not easy being judgemental in this case.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 01:45 PM

Dunno how much footie you watch, Jack, but you'll see players deliberately stamping on other players when they're down, cynical "professional" fouls to stop direct scoring chances, elbows thrust into faces and double-footed studs-up tackles that are absolutely not accidental. In the old days and in lower leagues you get away with it. With 25 video cameras all the field in a big game you're going to get seen, even if the ref misses it.

Ah, did someone just mention the sublime Tom Finney, still going strong in his 90s...the Preston Plumber... Was he the greatest of all time, or was that my boyhood hero Jimmy McIlroy of Burnley? Now there's a man who could have been a role model, had there been such a thing!

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 11:13 AM

I think you can aggressively tackle and credibly claim that the injury was an accident.

Teethmarks are clear evidence of intent and immaturity IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 11:06 AM

Oh how times have changed!
The limelight has been replaced by the media Spotlight , they make players and break players as their "concience" or bank balance goes up or down.

Willie Woodburn Glasgow Rangers 1938 - 1954
"In 1947 he received a 14-day ban for a "violent exchange" with Motherwell's Dave Mathie, then in 1953 he punched the Clyde striker Billy McPhail, which earned a 21-day ban. Later that year, Woodburn was sent off for retaliation in a match with Stirling Albion. The clubs met again, the following season, in a League Cup tie at Ibrox on 28 August 1954. Playing with a knee injury, Woodburn took exception to a bad foul and retaliated by headbutting a Stirling player.

The SFA convened a disciplinary hearing the following month, which lasted just four minutes, and Woodburn was suspended sine die. The England international Tom Finney, one of many well-known forwards Woodburn had encountered in his international career, described the ban as "a grave injustice". The SFA revoked their punishment three years later, but by then Woodburn was 37 and his playing career was over.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 10:50 AM

who he is

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 10:47 AM

I make no excuses for the man. He has a sublime talent, one of the few world-class players in England, but he does idiotic things quite frequently. Basically, do not go around biting people, yeah? But the ban is out of all proportion. Others footballers have ended other players' careers with terrible fouls and suffered far lesser consequences. Biting someone, no matter how gently, is egregiously awful. But the bloke is, it seems, being given an overly severe punishment, not so much for what he did but for who is and because a couple of brainless politicians have waded in quite improperly. The FA is stupid enough with their help.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 10:31 AM

I have to say Steve, I thought that you were being over the top before I looked it up on the BBC. Your point about Cameron was well ranted and proportional.

Cameron seems like a tool of W. Bush proportions.

Though I do somewhat disagree on your other point. I can't complain about the suspension. I think that there is no place for biting the opponent in any sport.

What was Luis thinking? Was he bit by a rage-infested monkey?

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 10:20 AM

Musket, what shall I do? I am in extremely severe danger of agreeing with Jack on a point...

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 09:34 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22304322

LOL LOL

Doesn't Cameron have something better to do than abusing his influence by speaking "as a dad watching the game? If he were a good role model wouldn't he at least speak officially as Prime Minister or better yet, DO HIS OWN JOB and keep his nose out of regulating football?

"I made my own views clear, just as a dad watching the game,"

LOL LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Les from Hull
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 08:56 AM

A ten match ban is over the top, but we have seen these extended bans increase to no real effect. Perhaps it should be a standard clause in a footballer's contract that the club don't pay him for the period of the ban.

Cameron has no right sounding off though. He's no role model. Greed and selfishness are just plain evil.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 08:50 AM

Suarez is a jerk, but ten matches is a knee-jerk.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 08:48 AM

I don't find it surprising that many of us disagree in principle with a highly paid professional biting another man on the arm.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Musket
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 08:41 AM

In terms of my street credibility and my ability to look myself in the mirror, don't keep publicising the fact Bridge....

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 08:34 AM

Don't fight it Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 08:09 AM

I am getting very worried. I ahve recently agreed with MtheGM and Mither, and here I am agreeing with Keith!

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 07:54 AM

Rolf 'arris. Now that is funny.


Put a ball in 'is mouth mate
He'll be a role model then
Just like Willis in Pulp (fiction)
Put a gag in his mouth.



Ball Gag

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 07:50 AM

Thanks to the man with a degree in Plain As The Nose On Your Face obtained at the University Of The Bleedin' Obvious in Hertford.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 07:49 AM

I agree, Steve. It's all part of the 'blame culture'.

"Oh look - Our lovely little Chardonnay has bitten Billy's ear off. Must have got that from watching Liverpool. Nothing to do with my perfect parenting skills..."

Maybe when parents accept that their little darlings occasionally do things wrong and need to be chastised they may not need to place the responsibility with someone else.

Fat chance, sadly.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: GUEST,Expert Fiddler
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 07:44 AM

Oh..... I thought you were going to talk about Rolf.

Subject: RE: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 07:35 AM

He grabbed someone's arm and bit it!
Normal people do not do that.
Ok, so it did little damage, but he bit someone!

Subject: BS: Role model my 'arris!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 07:20 AM

As an utterly biased Liverpool supporter I am naturally disgusted by the extremely harsh treatment of the sublime Luis Suarez. A ten-match ban? Why, players who have broken other players' legs with cynical high tackles have got away with much less. Players who have head-butted other players have got away with less. Yeah, he's an immature twat for biting Ivanovic (I support Chelsea as well as it happens - an extended family thang), but Ivanovic is virtually unmarked and was back in training the next day. And, of course, we had the much bigger twat Cameron wading in with his two and bloody fourpence!

Now that I have the tirade of intemperate contumely out of the way, down to the serious business. What the hell is all this "role model" stuff? The phrase is brainlessly trotted out all the time without so much as a single neurone applied to its usage. Everyone's a bloody "role model". Your teacher's a role model. Your dad's a role model. The boy scout bloke's a role model. Pop singers are role models. Footballers are role models. The vicar's a role model. Jesus was a role model. I'll tell you what, with all these role models it's hardly surprising that kids get all confused. We don't need role models. We need to tell children how to sort out good from bad, that's what we need. We need the lad watching the Liverpool-Chelsea game to admire Suarez for his stunning goal yet condemn him for the bite. You can do both. I think it's a very bad idea for your kids to go around being influenced by "role models" instead of thinking for themselves. The world is not black and white. A well brought up kid can judge actions for him or herself, not rely on the influence of "role models". Suarez is a footballer. The only thing about him that should influence your lad is his technical and tactical skills, and you should be telling your lad that. Suarez's life skills are not what puts him in the public eye. Putting people on pedestals as role models is one more pressure for those people that they don't need (in any case, like Suarez, they're far too immature to live up to it). John Terry didn't get banned for shagging his best mate's wife, and what kind of role model is that? Cameron left his eight-year-old kid in a pub by accident. Great role model there, bollocking a footballer for being a bad role model! Next time you find yourself tempted to declare that so-and-so is a great role model, stop first to ask yourself whether you're actually using your brain. Sheesh and discuss!