Bob Brozman legal issues

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Nathaniel
Date: 10 May 13 - 08:57 PM

Just a simple question for all you: If I was a Bob Brozman fan, having a young daughter, and decided to let Brozman stay at my place the last time he giged in my country (I'm european), what would I think now about mr.Atkinson who knew all these but never said anything?
Another question comes in mind: If I found out that someone did something like that to my kid, would I let him go away like a gentleman? Noone of the victims' fathers attacked once to Brozman after he found it out. You seem very civilised in the US.

I don't know the truth behind this story and I don't defend Brozman with that. If there are victims my sincerely thoughts are with them.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 May 13 - 10:06 PM

People keep saying that Gary never did anything for 20 years. We don't know that to be true. There was a witness he said but she didn't want to testify. Maybe he tried to bring criminal charges in the UK. Maybe he told every US promoter & friend of Bob's he could find. Maybe Bob sued him for slander. We don't know. I was surprised to see Suzy Thompson mention on another forum that she had been aware of this stuff. How did Gary find Mary? And now this latest victim? He may have done a lot over the past 20 years. Just because Gary didn't murder Bob doesn't mean Bob didn't do these things.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 10 May 13 - 11:28 PM

Where were Suzy Thompson's comments posted?

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 May 13 - 11:30 PM

If you knew child abuse happened, wouldn't your first inclination, at that very moment, be to call the police, to call child protective services? To assault or murder the guy on the spot? Why, all of these years later, would you report it in a folk and blues site? It's absurd.

I don't know what happened, if anything happened, but all of these after-the-fact testimonials are too much to be believed. And my eyes cross any time I see another of Gene-Adelphi's posts. I have no idea what he's going on about, but I don't think he does either. And his enabler's have let him run free - someone should have taken away his computer, turned off the router. Mrs. Adelphi, perhaps? There is real vitriol running through this thread - the fact that so many guests who spewed this stuff didn't assign themselves a name and who chose to stay anonymous. There is no moral high ground in nasty anonymity. NONE. IP addresses show these folks are from California, Nevada, Ontario, Illinois, Louisiana, Philadephia, New York, etc.; welcome to Mudcat. I hope you visit under musical circumstances and contribute more meaningful material to the site.

I think people have every reason to be skeptical about all aspects of this story. If there are pending cases that were truncated by Mr. Brozman's death, then something will still probably turn up in the news. Especially if they make claims against his estate.

SRS

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 13 - 12:41 AM

Maybe he told every US promoter & friend of Bob's he could find.
>>>>>


nope. because then everyone would know about "the rumors",and Bob's twenty years of denials.    But no, it blindsided everyone. Ergo, Gary Atkinson didn't say boo until now.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest--Wading in
Date: 11 May 13 - 12:57 AM

Silly River Sage: Go back to the very first post in this thread. There you'll see that the original posts from Brozman's ex-agent and ex-wife were copied over to Mudcat from the Santa Cruz News forum by a Mr. or Ms Potato Fingers. So, it's not absurd after all. It was initially reported to a news site not a folk and blues site. Since you split the thread, I'm surprised you didn't catch this.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest- WAY back in the day
Date: 11 May 13 - 01:14 AM

I'm not sure at all that it blindsided everyone... It blindsided most, certainly....but not everyone.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 May 13 - 02:28 AM

I'm sure that SRS saw the OP. It remains rumor, innuendo and he-said-she-said, and will probably be nothing else forever.

Mods, I suggest you kill this thread.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 11 May 13 - 04:51 AM

I'm sure you all get spam from Homespun.
I replied to mine.
I told them to remove Mr. Brozman's DVDs from their catalog. Or remove me from their spamming list.
I suggest everyone else do the same.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 13 - 07:25 AM

I never heard this Brozman dude in my life - couldn't care less about modern white guitar nerds. But I do care about the safety of kids and I remember Sandusky and the church and hundreds of years of rich white folks having their way with our children and not being called to account.

SRS is right to be skeptical but everyone else is righter to look hard and long to find out the truth and protect any other kids.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 13 - 07:39 AM

At the Weenie Campbell site Suzy Thompson (username Cleoma) wrote:

"Cleoma:
RIP Bob, I don't believe he experienced very much peace while alive. A great player and I want to remember that part, although I've known about the other stuff for some time. My sympathies to those who experienced the bad stuff, it is terrible, but I'm glad that the good stuff (i.e. the music) will live on."

Maybe I'm misreading that, though I don't see how.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 13 - 09:54 AM

Guest, 11 May 13, - 07:39 AM posted

Suzy Thompson (username Cleoma) wrote:

"Cleoma:
RIP Bob, I don't believe he experienced very much peace while alive. A great player and I want to remember that part, although I've known about the other stuff for some time. My sympathies to those who experienced the bad stuff, it is terrible, but I'm glad that the good stuff (i.e. the music) will live on."

If that is so, then the obscenity here isn't that Brozman MAY have been a pedophile, it is that individuals like your cited friend knew and did nothing. It's one thing to stay silent if your friend is cheating on his wife with another adult or has a drug habit, it's another thing to suggest that you know beyond a doubt that children are being assaulted AND SAY NOTHING.

What is it about maintaining a connection with this man would let anyone else shrug off such toxic behavior? Did knowing him give all of these people higher stature?

The problem all of those "in the know" present here is not only 1.) the object of the discussion - alleged criminality by Brozman, but 2.) the absolute moral bankruptcy of each of you who suggest that you knew and yet you said nothing. I'm glad to not be in that hot seat, folks. You want to show some kind of special access to this famous/infamous individual by suggesting you were insiders, that you knew of this? If attorneys for the alleged victims read this, does any of you want to get up in court and swear that you knew this and said nothing? You need to examine your motives for making these claims, and be prepared to answer for them or recant them.

And if you don't know any truth of Mr. Brozman's behavior, if you're just beating your chests to join in at lynching a corpse, you're letting mob mentality carry you forward.

SRS

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest -- Wading in
Date: 11 May 13 - 10:58 AM

"If that is so, then the obscenity here isn't that Brozman MAY have been a pedophile, it is that individuals like your cited "Suzy Thompson" knew and did nothing. It's one thing to stay silent if your friend is cheating on his wife with another adult or has a drug habit, it's another thing to suggest that you know beyond a doubt that children are being assaulted AND SAY NOTHING."

SRG: You are jumping to conclusions here and inflaming the situation.
Recall that victims' families have been trying to seek redress for quite some time. I suggest to you that "Cleoma" (aka Suzy Thompson) did not know about the abuse when it was actually happening so was not in a position to SAY ANYTHING. Rather, as a well-connected CA folk musician, she has had "inside" information from either the victims, their families or their friends and has known about THE EFFORTS TO SEEK JUSTICE FOR SOME TIME.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 13 - 11:52 AM

Suzy is not only connected in CA, but in Scotland, so she may have heard this from Gary or his friends.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 May 13 - 12:27 PM

Can one of you who are speculating, bitching, and otherwise jaw-jacking, about this crap help me out here?

What is it that you are trying to do here and how does this discussion meet that need? What is it you're trying to accomplish with these threads?

Seriously. I don't get it.



Spaw

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Midchuck
Date: 11 May 13 - 01:03 PM

What Spaw said.

Peter

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 11 May 13 - 02:36 PM

Actually,Spaw, at a certain point, editors, journalists, TV producers, and such likes will start following this up, with a view toward creating news stories, articles, and those lurid cable crime shows that everyone claims to hate but watches anyway. There is enough here for somebody to pitch a story.

The non-folkie world doesn't know about this yet...but when they do, they'll likely go bat... crazy, and this thread, crap and all, is where they'll come first. If you don't believe me, Google "Bob Brozman, pedophile". And so it goes....

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 13 - 02:47 PM

victims' families have been trying to seek redress for quite some time.

Sorry, it doesn't hold water. Call 911. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to get redress. I can't imagine any normal parent not being livid at learning of this, and calling in authorities, so this "trying" business suggests blackmail. "We'll tell the cops if you don't pay. . . " kind of stuff.

Enough already.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Mr. Potato Fingers
Date: 11 May 13 - 02:53 PM

When I read the Bob Brozman obit here I chose to submit the Santa Cruz news information. As I have watched the madness evolve here I have questioned if I did the right thing.

I studied with Broz and jammed with him a year and a half ago. I learned a lot from him.
I was pissed that he chose to kill himself because of his over inflated ego. When I discovered the allegations, I felt that this was the one forum that was most widely read.

The fact that Brozman's wife, daughter, and close associates have not denied any of the accusations is confusing.

I respect Duck Baker for his contributions to this wild discussion.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 11 May 13 - 02:54 PM

just like some victims are afraid or ashamed to come forward, so are people who suspected or knew...there are many reasons...pedophiles do not like being outed..they could retaliate. there could be physical violence..there could be financial entanglement..pedophile could have something to blackmail them with..there could be family or cultural pressure...Canadians could not possibly do something like that..you are making it up...they might not want to be the first to report something but will chime in after others have made it public...they worry about harming the victims further..they worry about being dragged into the criminal system themselves, especially if they have a record..they are threatened...I don't know...we are all weak in various areas. there is great public pressure towards maintaining silence. there is institutional corruption...there is just plain laziness...

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Gene's left nut
Date: 11 May 13 - 02:57 PM

Gene writes: "you do not own ANY Adelphi CDs or LPs-----Folkies are absolutely the worst violaters of the copyright laws.....they swap whole ipods, they download from illegal sites, the burn CDR copies to swap in kind with their friends, etc AD Nauseum........"

Right, right. Which is enough of justification to pull a gun on said folkies, threatening their life because a summer party is playing music that includes Adelphi recordings. You know exactly what I'm talking about Gene (plus at least a dozen people on this site).

I have to agree with most of the respondents here: crawl back under your rock and stop hijacking threads just so you can show off your lunacy.

Sincerely,
Fang's cousin

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 11 May 13 - 03:16 PM

SRS-I had thought you were some sort of licensed mental health or social work professional--if that is true, you know very well that the "authorities" that have authority to act in these matters tend to move slowly or not at all. Also, the "authorities" in the UK have little power to investigate someone whose home is in Santa Cruz and who may actually be in, say, the Maldive Islands, or Thailand...

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 11 May 13 - 05:29 PM

I certainly do not believe in false accusations, and would throw the book at anyone who made them..there is a grey area of not really knowing, suspicion but not proof etc. But where there is certainty I am not for protecting anyone's reputation. I am not for preventing scandal for a church or a football team or a birdwatching society. There should be scandal. It acts as a preventative for future cases, it allows society to express outrage and where they stand, it allows other victims to speak up in safety, it allows people who have the curse of pedophilia to seek treatment rather than commit these crimes, it makes everyone more watchful and able to believe victims..it has to go hand in hand with doing all you can to prevent false accusations and setting up environments where abuse is less possible, such as never being alone with a child in most circumstances...the family of the abuser is going to be humiliated and confused if they knew her as an otherwise decent person, but that is part of the price we pay for being in a family or society...I fall on the side of exposure to sunlight, painful as it is. A bit more sunlight in Cleveland might have helped those poor young women...

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 13 - 05:48 PM

Stim, my grandfather was a psychiatrist, my mother an MSW who worked for Child Protective Services where I grew up. I was pretty well immersed in the accounts of the work Mom was doing, without knowing any client names. The vocabulary is in the family.

The common sense can be found anywhere. If you dial 911 and say "My child was molested" you ARE going to get response. Physical exams, psychological exams, rape kits if it was very recent. Reports are going to be filed, investigations are going to happen. If names are named, there are any number of ways jurisdictions may choose to approach it, is my guess. But the point is - the call to police or child protective services has to be made. I don't know what was in the heads of the alleged victims and their families, or what they tried to do that yielded so few results. Unless they did nothing. I'm not going to speculate.

SRS

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 13 - 06:25 PM

But it sounds like you haven't been reading the newspapers for the past 30 years SRS. It sounds like you have no idea what just happened in Cleveland either. Do you read the news?

There have been and continue to be massive pedo cover ups everywhere. Please read today's press about Jimmy Savile and the police.

Innocent people must not be wrongly accused and innocent children must be protected. The law has been useless for most abuse victims in both the US and the UK forever - especially when the victims are poor and non-white.

Sunshine is exactly what we need.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 13 - 06:39 PM

Let's not change the subject. It isn't about me, or Cleveland or about you. And it isn't about Savile, despite the old thread that seems to have taught us nothing about moderating difficult topics. This thread needs to wind down. Mary, others, let's let it fade.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 May 13 - 07:51 PM

Well Maggie, you could start by moving it to BS which it is.

Stim, you tried I admit but then I read all the posts that followed you and I don't see anything going the way of enlightening anyone. There are literally hundreds of these stories and nothing makes this one special. Perhaps if he had been a "Level One" or even two Pop/Rock star but a level 4 folkie type? TV people could care less. The fact is that all the reporting that should have happened didn't somehow. Next case.

Nothing left here but BS which this qualifies for as it has no real purpose musically........Whatever part may once have been musical is now beat to death. I rarely ask for any change in location but since you all want to keep the crap up.....Take it down below huh SRS? ain't nothin' musical left here.

Please?


Spaw

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 13 - 08:05 PM

It was there, moving up was requested. It needs to just die, it has been a pain in the ass for a lot of people. If mg and other regulars will restrain from commenting, and if the topic is kept from shifting all over the place, it will close. I think the wind has gone out of the sails of many of the most vocal arguers.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 11 May 13 - 08:58 PM

Spaw, you know perfectly well that regardless of what others have said, everybody has to have their say, even if it's stupid. That's the Mudcat way. As to the TV people, they regularly make posthumous celebs out of nobodies--lurid crimes make people famous, dead or alive.

Subject: Mea Maxima Culpa
From: GUEST,pitiable one in Louisiana
Date: 11 May 13 - 11:50 PM

SRS, I was letting it fade and you had to call me out by name. That was kind. Hopefully you will never know such suffering. My actions and speach lacked restraint and self-discipline and I would like to apologize to all who were offended by my posts.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Duck Baker
Date: 12 May 13 - 07:13 AM

SRS - are you like the moderator here? If so, how about reading the comments before coming in with an opinion that ignores basic points that have been gone over many times. Honestly, I feel like all the work I've put into speaking with people and trying to share has been pushed aside by you, and am really wondering what your agenda is, here.

For God's sake, for you or for anyone to say that there's no reason the parent of a victim wouldn't immediately go to the police, IF THE CHILD OR MOTHER OF THE CHILD SAYS NOT TO, WHAT IS A FATHER SUPPOSED TO DO? I don't quite understand what happened in the instance Gary described at the outset, but if the moderator of the thread is going to come on board and basically say that they don't believe the person identifying himself as the father of a victim, I am out of here never to return. What could be the point of us trying to talk seriously in class if those hosting the thread is telling us to ignore what we all know about cases involving serial molesters?

All of you people acting like the presence or absence of anything on record at a courthouse need to get a grip, too. The only conceivable record would be that a complaint had been filed, it would still be only allegations, not proof of anything, you would all still say it meant nothing. So harping on that is just saying that you don't believe anything Atkinson is saying. The purpose being?

As for Suzy, I take it her statement to mean she had heard rumors that things were afoot, which most of us hadn't, but then she is closer to where Bob lived. So first people act like the absence of rumors proves Brozman's innocence, then when someone says they heard rumors, that person is attacked. What is UP with you people?

You want to think everybody is making things up, fine. We're all making it all up. But I'm tired, and can't remember why we all wanted to do that, guess my memory is failing me, here. So is my patience, I'm sorry to say.

Unfortunately, my sense is that the way this all broke has created dissension among the victim families and I don't know if a clearer statement from them is going to get through or not, now. But it's obvious that any such statement will be attacked, so if Gary and/or others, don't come forward to clarify things, who on earth could blame them at this point?

I'm getting pretty fed up, myself, to be honest.

Duck Baker

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 May 13 - 07:44 AM

I may know nothing about this matter other than those statements that have been posted here by those involved. But I don't have any reason to doubt the honesty or integrity of those parties who are accusing this man of crimes against their children. I also think that supposition and speculation - in any direction - by those who ALSO personally know nothing whatsoever about the alleged crimes, is a hinderance to any useful discussion. I hope that those who DO have personal knowledge of these alleged crimes don't get put off by critical remarks being made about them here and that they still have the will to contribute something that may be of benefit to other possible victims. I second the comments being made by Mg.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 13 - 08:23 AM

Mr. Baker,

I believe Mr. Atkinson's original comments were opinions he made in attempt to correct media misinformation as to the reason for Bozman's suicide. I never got the feeling that he wanted to develop and ongoing discussion online in forums.

The kind of forum posts this lurid thread - in particular Gary's irrelevant rambling graphic descriptions, to my mind, has made a case for not coming forward.

Unfortunately, the main thing that was accomplished for me, is that now if I were to listen to your music, which I haven't that much, I would stongly associate it with your redundant posts here. And the same with Adelphi. Which is a shame as neither of you were particularly close to him. It makes no difference to me as a music consumer what your motives were in posting here, the association has been made.

As was pointed out earlier, this thread has been picked up by search engines and others may have the association in the future.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 May 13 - 08:32 AM

All you bumblefucks have convinced me and shown me the way. At least I understand and empathsize with the parties involved. I know I am absolutely sure that I AM DEFINITELY seeking closure from this horrible SRS person!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Megan L
Date: 12 May 13 - 08:41 AM

Have any of you actually achieved anything here other than letting us all know what righteous people you are to be filled with indignation and to hell with actually getting of your backsides to do anything to help victims of abuse physical sexual or emotional.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 May 13 - 09:25 AM

I don't think so Megan but they have determined that that "SRS" is a horrible person!


Spaw

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: artbrooks
Date: 12 May 13 - 09:29 AM

Go ahead, beat the dead horse some more.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Midchuck
Date: 12 May 13 - 10:16 AM

Go ahead, beat the dead horse some more.

I agree with the sentiment, but that's a poor metaphor.

When you beat a dead horse, you aren't inflicting any additional pain. That isn't the case here.

P.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Sandrolin
Date: 12 May 13 - 10:17 AM

So what is the point of *posting* , (?) anyway?
Where do musicians/ other tangentially music related people get there muse-- motivations for singing and writing?

we know the tough consequences when Bob Dylan made some decisions about evolving and changing where his muse/ inspirations would rain from..

The raw at the edged, open discussion on this page is/ was valuable ... All the motivations for expression, topic twists and forks does not necessarily have to have meaning for all at this very moment. Just as performers will sing songs that don't necessarily simultaneously fall on receptive ears. Sometimes we just have to expect some will need to listen again.

We need to keep this thread here .. just as it is... Many will need or desire to revisit specific talking points for their own personal reasons. ...

Why do you post? Where is your muse?

Sandrolin

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 May 13 - 10:27 AM

The topic here is whether Brozman is a pedophile. Nothing else. I have pointed out that many of the claims here make no sense or are apparently so far removed from the individual that they are just gossip.

I have no opinion as to whether Mr. Brozman was or wasn't a pedophile. Most of you visited here because someone somewhere else told you about this thread and you came in to let the shit fly. I thought by letting whoever that is from Louisiana have the last word and apology last night might things might taper off. You know my name, and I know about six of the others who have posted here because they are regular Mudcat members. The rest of you are here for a clusterfuck to pile on in a public forum about Mr. Brozman. You speak as if you know something, have information, yet most of you are anonymous. And those of you who aren't, more power to you, but get a grip. If cases go to court regarding his status in the community or about who should receive proceeds or compensation from his estate, then authorities will find this thread and want to speak to all of you.

End of story. Let it drop. Go home. Have a life.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Gene-- Adelphi
Date: 12 May 13 - 10:56 AM

May 10, 2013

The Fahey episodes:

In early 1964, I began recording John Fahey, in a recording studio which I had built in the basement of my parents house in Silver Spring, Maryland. I should point out at this point, that the house involved here, was that of my Father, a well respected and multiply honored Physician, who had a small functional office in the house, mostly for treating family and close family friends. He also had two large offices off premises....all of you had dads and so you're fully aware of how brittle dad relationships can get, particularly if you're living at home which I was (again) after a several year absense. To say that my Dad/Son relationship was non-existant would be to overstate the case :-) We agreed upon virtually nothing, and my anti war position, brought us to screaming debates at the dinner table, so to suggest to you that access to and use of the studio
was always on the verge of total collapse is an understatement, it was like walking on eggs.

Having established the background, now begins the Fahey episodes:

During those early 1964 sessions, which I was hired by Takoma Records to record, I made it quite plain to John that certain things were "Out of Bounds", in my Dads house, particularly My Dad's Office area, and most importantly, my Dad's (behind Curtains) medications...inviolable, because any tampering or theft by him of my Dad's meds, etc. could cost him his medical license!
He basicly obeyed the rules except for one 30 second incident where I found him transfixed in front of the curtains...."warning sign"!

In late 64 I was once again hired by Takoma to record Skip James, Skippy came with Fahey, Bill Barth, Firk a photographer & one other who I can't remember, Once again I delivered my,by now, memorized "canned wrap" about the forbidden area, the session began, and almost immediately, Barth left, ostensibly to go to the bathroom, after almost 10 minutes of absense, felt the need to check on Barth, and found him up to his elbows in Dad's medications, I searched him removed the medications and threw him out of the house---banned forever!
Later that evening, I accidentally caught John pulling back the curtains, I grabbed his arm and told him, that ONE MORE TIME, he like Barth would be banned forever.
The following day, was the final James Recording session...only four persons present.....everything went Very well until about 7PM, Fahey had disappeared, and had been gone for awhile, I turned the tape recorder on playback, and while everyone listened I went in search of John, I found him behind the curtains, and it was then curtains for him, I serched him and then trew him out, but he now had to wait outside until the session was over, because he was Skippy's ride home.

(To be continued- "Fahey poisons Nick Perls pets")- again be VERY CAREFUL whom you allow as an unmonitored guest to crash at your house no matter how talent a musician)

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 May 13 - 11:21 AM

wtf?

I guess SRS was wrong on the topic huh? To steal a line from Dylan, y'all ain't goin' nowhere. Gene.....Give it a break or do you have some fascinating tale of someone who picked their nose in your pantry and how that led to making your cat into a coon hound?

Spaw

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 13 - 11:22 AM

SRS, that was not an apology.

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Duck Baker
Date: 12 May 13 - 11:34 AM

I leave all you people who know nothing whatsoever about anything to congratulate one another on each other's balanced approach or whatever. I was trying to do a service, for the reasons I have maintained from the start. I note that not one of you taking issue with me has actually addressed a single thing I have said. If you wanted a serious discussion, I was available because I felt and feel it's important. If that taints your desire to listen to my music, I can live with that. But I certainly don't aim to hang around and be a target for people who refuse to engage the issues.

So, as far getting as life and moving on, you betcha, kids. If you ever see my name on a post on mudcat again, you can take that as evidence that hell has frozen over and the next winter Olympic games will be played there.

Thanks to all who have voiced support here, and goodbye.

Very sincerely,

Duck Baker

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Fang's cousin
Date: 12 May 13 - 11:52 AM

I find it very interesting that our resident lunatic Gene Rosenthal is bringing up his father's practice and his father's access to prescription medications.

According to John Fahey himself (as well as several key individuals who worked at Takoma on Pico), Takoma Records went bust because of poor record keeping AND because of a barter system that was set up between Charlie Mitchell and a certain Silver Spring son of a physician who had access to his father's prescription pads. MItchell and his cohorts and Takoma were only too happy to send boxes of sealed Takoma LPs to the dude in Silver Spring who would then send prescriptions to Santa Monica. Because the $$ return never showed up in hard cash but instead went up people's noses or in their veins, the label's bookkeeping went to hell fast.

I also find it interesting that in 1964, according to Gene's post, he showed concern over his father's medical license and yet eight years later, he was more interested in boxes of Takoma LPs.

It's probably good that all of the "Truth" is coming out -- as it always does in the end.
Glen

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 13 - 12:04 PM

Are we talking amphetamines primarily Glen? Is that what's going on still with our friend here?

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Adelphi
Date: 12 May 13 - 12:22 PM

LOL

Fang doesnt have a a single cousin, only a sister.....!!!

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 13 - 12:32 PM

Earth to Gene:
You don't know everything in the universe. My father and Elizabeth were brother and sister. Which makes me a cousin to Tom. You seem to believe that you are the keeper of all information/facts which is laughable.

That fact that you ignored the truth in my earlier post is very telling.
Oh, and my cousin Tom had lots of other telling stories about you that I will refrain from sharing.
Glen

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 May 13 - 12:57 PM

The DOWNSIDE of Mudcat Another thread that degenerated into gossip , innuendo and insult !

And 300

Subject: RE: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 May 13 - 01:06 PM

" Another thread that degenerated into gossip, innuendo, and insult!"

Actually, I think that's where it started.........

Spaw