Bob Brozman legal issues

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:58 PM

As far as will it help to find victims to talk about this issue, I can only speak from personal experience. There was a man who lived in my town. Respected man, rich, entrepreneur. He had 4 kids, a wonderful wife who gave generously to many causes. I knew him because he had a son my son's age. I'd been at this house to play music for a benefit concert. My son had been at his house. I visited his place of work and we tried to do some business together. Years later I read by chance that he was convicted of child molestation. Sentenced to 7 years. I found out about it by chance. Fortunately, when I called my son, now 22, and asked him about it, he said nothing happened to him but he did remember the son used to make sexual jokes at a very young age which embarrassed my son when he was young. We know now that kind of early inappropriate behavior is often a sign of child abuse.

We do know, the more we talk, the more it gets picked up by search engines and the more information (albeit both true and false information) will be available to those that need it.

And who needs it: the father or mother that put up Bob in their home and had a young daughter. Maybe, like me, they want to ask their child ...when Bob stayed with us? Is there anything you need to tell us?

This is the internet. The truth will come out. Genii's out of the bottle. Let's help the victims. Bob's legacy can wait.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:57 PM

I had heard these stories from people who directly involved about three years ago. As it was hearsay, I was unable to do anything about it. I admit to being somewhat surprised that no legal action was taken during that time, but of course I don't know the details of why that was the case. My thinking there was that perhaps one or more of the victims wished to remain out of the public eye. I had raised questions on another forum as to what good it does to make it public at this point, when Bob is beyond any legal remedy.Some of the posts here make the valid point that there might have been other victims who haven't come forward, but would be emboldened to do so if others did so publicly. As most pedophiles were abused children themselves, I wish Bob had dealt with his underlying issues instead of acting out at great cost to innocent children. I will add my voice to Duck's in corroboration of their being substance to the allegations, as it would have taken collusion between unlikely allies to allege what I heard without there being truth to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:23 PM

As far as how this will help identify victims, you can bet if he'd stayed at my house & I have young daughter I'd be making sure she was OK. A quick google will turn up many instances of people talking about how he stayed with them while on tour.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:22 PM

Gerado says: "Thanks a lot for the info but, sincerely, I don't trust a guy who plays the blues in a nylon string guitar..."

WTF? Really? You've redefined clueless! Mr. Baker is hardly a blues musician in the first place. There is certainly a long tradition of nylon strings in the jazz and anglo-celtic traditions.


As to the rest of it, there is nothing more horrific, monstrous and evil than molesting a child. He may have kept it hidden, but Brozman was a sick, twisted monster. None of his so-called achievements are worth a pile of shite anymore. Imagine the horror of his victim's lives. I'll puke if I hear his music again.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:22 PM

whatever you say here can be googled so that is why

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:21 PM

I noticed that Diamond Bottlenecks have removed bob's name and image from their site. Their BB "signature" slide has either been renamed for Debashish Battacharya.

SCGC still has their eulogy banner up.

Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Brozman (1954-2013)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:14 PM

Burn in hell with Savile and all other pedophiles.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:13 PM

meanwhile, I guess we better round up all those American Idol hopefuls and ship them off to re-education camps.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:10 PM

I am genuinely wondering how posting on this message board helps find out if there are other victims no one knows about. How exactly does that work?

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:04 PM

I think everyone can understand that emotions are running high. You wouldn't expect anything else for some thing so unexpected, painful, and hard to understand. I want to thank the many people who brought this to light.

For me, as far as Bob's reputation is concerned, that horse has left the gate. There is time down the road to attempt to resurrect Bob's legacy, but that time is not now. Now, the most important thing, in my mind, is to find out if there are other victims no one knows about and find if they need help. I know that Bob had a charity in his name. I only hope part of that fund will go to help the victims. You can believe it or not. For some, no evidence is enough. For many of us, what we've all been able to research on our own points to one conclusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:03 PM

I am starting to wonder about the prevalence of a fondness for coercive sex among entertainers. How does it compare to others? Should we worry that a desire to be an entertainer shows a probability of a socio-sexual defect?

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Gerardo
Date: 07 May 13 - 06:33 PM

Duck,

Thanks a lot for the info but, sincerely, I don't trust a guy who plays the blues in a nylon string guitar...

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 07 May 13 - 06:02 PM

There is almost nothing better someone can do with their time than to try to stop child abuse. It will get ugly. Time is of the essence. Putting obstacles in the path of an honest and truthful and unimpaired by personal revenge etc. search is abetting the perverts. What if someone had said, as they undoubtedly did, don't spread rumors about those nice men having kidnapped women in their house. They are innocent until proven guilty, they are pillars of the community etc. Every morning I make myself go to bishopaccountability.org and read the abuse tracker, mostly for the Catholic church. We shouldn't go on witch hunts but we shouldn't say oh that nice bishop couldn't have done that either....We have to be prepared for false accusations, towards ourselves even, but we have to protect children or we are not adults worth our place on this earth.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 07 May 13 - 05:09 PM

Duck, thanks for sharing what you've heard.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 04:28 PM

I recognize that you are sincerely trying to help, Duck, and I appreciate that you took a breath.    I can presume that specific people told you specific things they saw or heard or experienced, and that it would be inappropriate for you to share names, dates, places. I get all that.

All I'm trying to say is that I'm going to wait until *I* have heard some facts - and right now I haven't.   With all due respect to yourself and the people you have talked to, I'm going to wait until someone puts something on the record. Hearsay isn't enough with a charge this serious.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 04:18 PM

My goodness Duck... don't you have anything better to do with your time?? This is becoming your own personal witch hunt.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Duck Baker
Date: 07 May 13 - 04:15 PM

OK, I took a breath. Sorry if I got confused, but I'm amazed by some of these reactions.

If you really think that I and those I know are just engaging in gossip, I can't believe you're reading what I'm saying. I'm NOT going to five names of people who didn't tell me to, that much is clear. I'm NOT even telling you hear the overall gist of what they are telling me. Many details that I have heard would indeed be inappropriate to share. I AM saying, once and for all, that the musician community closest to Bob in time an geography has formed a consensus based on all that it knows. These would be the last people on earth to believe unfounded gossip.

And that's it from me. Believe what you will. I really have only wanted to help, and managed to get stressed about it, which helps no one. But, as I said, it's an emotional issue.

Apologies to all. If I get more hard facts that clarify things I will sign in again. But apart from that, I bow out.

Duck Baker

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Jeri
Date: 07 May 13 - 04:08 PM

Mudcat's own Nancy Grace...

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 04:04 PM

sometimes the people closest to the subject are the LEAST objective.    Geography is no guarantor of accuracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 04:02 PM

Duck, you really need to take a deep breath. You are now at the point where anyone who does not immediately take you at your word thinks you and everyone you talk to is lying.   


You are now jumping to conclusions about the source of the paragraph I quoted. It was not from SC guitars.   I have no idea they even had a discussion board.


I have not "managed to confirm" anything.   I merely reported the results of one person's attempt to find some facts. that's all.

yes, all the musicians you know believe the substance of the allegations - but you won't say why they believe that.   You know what that is called? G-O-S-S-I-P.   Gossip is not the same thing as facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Duck Baker
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:58 PM

I see that you made more calls, but repeat that someone told me that that had information from the courthouse that an indictment was pending. This person, you see, KNEW someone at the courthouse willing to break silence, or at least to give a tacit confirmation. Since this info I have 2nd-hand, I can't confirm it, but since everyone out there is believing what they believe, I have to assume that they have other sources of this kind.

But I can't argue with people who think they know more about it than the people in Bob's backyard. it will never stop.

Duck Baker

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Duck Baker
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:53 PM

I have shared the facts with you, such as they are known. I have explained in detail what IS known. You make one phone call (and talk to people I probably know better than you) and want to act like you know as much as anyone else? Fine.

There are lots of reasons why people would not want to involve themselves. You have me telling you what I have, and confirming that Mary Christine and Rob Atkinson stand by their stories. You have me telling you that the musicians I know in the area all believe the substance of the allegations. I have not heard from one who doesn't. But you managed to confirm that no one at SC Guitars has talked to anyone at the courthouse willing to disclose information that isn't public. Fine.

Sure I forgive you for not "jumping to conclusions." The parents of the victims might not but I certainly do because I have nothing at stake. I'm only trying to help people get the picture, but you know the old line about leading a horse to water...

Duck Baker

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:51 PM

to elaborate:

"My brief investigation pertained to telephone calls to Santa Cruz County Sheriff's office, District Attorney's office, and Coroner's office. I also checked civil court records. Nothing is official and I have no records nor did I request any under the CA Public Information Act. Indeed, a criminal investigation wouldn't even be public, but a detective I spoke with was unaware of any criminal investigations."

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,guest.
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:36 PM

same guy as the previous post.    A poster on a different board called the Santa Cruz PD.   They are not aware of any criminal investigations involving Bob Brozman.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:34 PM

The people I talked to have more facts than the people saying we shouldn't judge have or may ever have;
>>>>



perhaps they could share these facts with us.    Until then, I hope you'll forgive me for not jumping to conclusions.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Gerardo
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:28 PM

I will keep listening to the music of Bob Brozman in the years to come. Music is relevant. And he left an undisputed body of work.

Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Brozman (1954-2013)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:06 PM

The music is irrelevant. Our thoughts should be with his victims and their families (that will include his familt too.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 02:49 PM

As noted in my last post, at that point I had contributed what I can in terms of the facts of the case. And as I check back in, what do I say but a lot of people who seem determined to ignore those. I didn't rely on the internet for a thing apart from three skypes calls and a couple of email exchanges with friends close enough to the situation to remove all doubt from my mind. And I started off not believing a word. So I took the trouble to share what I was able to, and the reasons I have, and the musical community close to Bob, has, for believing the allegations. Not one person saying that they don't believe them has actually given any information from a source anything like as close as those I have spoken to, except of course Rob Atkinson and Bob's ex-wife, who made the allegations in the first place. So, based on the fact that none of you can confirm anything, you act as if no one or earth might know more. The people in Santa Cruz who say they have spoken to people working in the courts, they are lying, I guess. No, they aren't on record, because many court cases are NOT public record until an indictment is handed down, which it won't be, now. Once again, I personally can verify that Mr. Atkinson is who is says he is and that he stands by his statement. And if people who live in the area, all of whom knew Bob very well over the years, have come to accept the allegations based on what they have learned in their community, it seems amazing to just ignore that. You think David Lindley decided that the stories are true because of something he saw online? Fine.

What I am saying, categorically, is that the people who are best informed and closest to the subject are convinced. Do you have to be? No, but acting as if everyone who believes the allegations is doing so based on nothing, that won't do.

I guess the people talking about magazines and TV stations investigating this haven't worked in those areas. But the way it works is that investigate allegations against political figures, major celebrities, and people like that, because they can sell copy or advertising time. But the idea that someone is going to dig around to get what they can on this and publish or air it - WHERE do you think you'll see such an article? Is 60 minutes really going to do a spot on Bob Brozman? The New York Times? Rolling Stone? "Waiting until things are proven" could, as I and others have pointed out, mean waiting forever.

I have shared the conclusion that has sadly been reached by the musical community closest to Bob Brosman. I have refrained from attacking his character, why should I do that? The Bob I knew was the same guy most of you knew. But child abuse is bound to arouse strong emotions, we would all be very weird if it didn't, right? Please don't imply that all of us who have come to these conclusions are witch-hunting, or don't know anything, or need to wait for the facts. The people I talked to have more facts than the people saying we shouldn't judge have or may ever have; No one WANTED to believe this stuff, the musician community least of all. And THAT is fact - that they didn't want to believe it and now they do.

One last time - we need to think about the victims. Nothing else matters.

Duck Baker

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 01:48 PM

It's amazing to me how many of you have already tried and convicted BB based on nothing more then hearsay. I don't care how 'prominent' some of you MAY be, this is sounding more like a vitriolic witch hunt then a discourse of the present known facts. Just because a few of you have somewhat recognizable names does not make this story true. It only fuels this speculative discussion further along a very precipitous path.

Until any SOLID evidence bears anything out perhaps a few of you should take the high road by stepping away from your computer for a while. Condemning someone in the social media before they are PROVEN innocent or guilty is grossly premature.

I'm not taking any sides here regarding innocence or guilt. I'm merely pointing out that you're damaging someone's reputation BEFORE anything has been proven.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 01:47 PM

I have my own beliefs regarding the guilt of Bob Brozman as a child molester. They are changing as more information comes to light but I won't go into them here. Divorcing the whole guilt or innocence question, what I am concerned with is the way that in this digital age a person can be tried in the court of public opinion with very little evidence or evidence that would not be admissable in a courtroom. In just a few days time I read the forums and witnessed a master become a monster. I'm not excusing child molesting, which I believe to be one of the most heinous of crimes, but given the hysterical outbursts of hate and vitriol (from all sides) on several of the forums I do have to wonder whether we are getting so worked up by this emotional topic that our judgement has become clouded.

The sad fact of the matter is we may never know for certain whether Bob Brozman was a child molester. If he was indeed about to be criminally prosecuted for the crimes the government will almost certainly not proceed with a costly trial on a dead person. Whatever evidence they may or may not have will never see the light of day. Since civil cases are a matter of public record, we do know that at the time of his death there were no civil cases against him pending within Santa Cruz county (check the Superior Court, Santa Cruz website for verification) but I would not be surprised if several were filed against the estate. Hopefully someday an investigating reporter will use the freedom of information act to find out more and we can make more informed decisions but until then all we are left with is ambiguity.

I do know this. The internet is a very cheap and easy place to make accusations against people and foverer after have them be seen in a different light. These are very serious allegations and should not be decided by reading a few forum posts. If after my death someone was to accuse me of being a child molester I would hope that people would do as much research as possible into the matter before jumping to a conclusion. Some people here claim to have done that and have reached a conclusion of either guilt or innocence. If they are satisfied with their own inquiries, good on them. If and when the full truth is known some will be right, some will be wrong. Let everyone be convinced in their own mind.

I also know that all this bickering serves no purpose but to bring additional pain to family members and any others who may be affected in this case. For those people I pray for healing and peace during this most trying time. It has been difficult enough for his fans and former fans to make sense out of all this. It must be hell for them. Guilty or innocent, Bob Brozman is dead but our actions and comments affect the living who are left behind.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,That's MISTER Guest to you
Date: 07 May 13 - 01:36 PM

Sunil Tripathi committed suicide BEFORE the bombings and BEFORE being accused of them, your attempt to draw a parallel is a fail.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 May 13 - 01:29 PM

An innocent man doesn't end his life in the face of baseless accusations.

Okay wise guy, what was Sunil Tripathi guilty of?

Reddit victim kills himself

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,That's MISTER Guest to you
Date: 07 May 13 - 12:58 PM

An innocent man doesn't end his life in the face of baseless accusations.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Jeri
Date: 07 May 13 - 12:37 PM

...because it's another thing.

A photo.

Have fun storming the castle, boys.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Jeri
Date: 07 May 13 - 12:33 PM

Grab your pitchfork, light a torch
Join us when we pass your porch
Too bad the monster's already dead
We're gonna light up the town instead

Burn it down, burn it down
Our anger's just too big to get around
Find an excuse to turn up the hate
C'mon people, it ain't too late
It's gotta go somewhere, you know it's true
If you don't join us,
we'll
just
burn
you

Discussion would be one thing, but a mob of hate-fueled loonies is not a thing I like observing...

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 12:24 PM

The speculation is hurting his daughter? Stop and think about that a minute.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 May 13 - 12:05 PM

is it really that difficult to come down on one side or the other concerning child abuse?

What a sick and twisted way to spin it.

What next? "Soft on lynching, soft on perverts?"

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 May 13 - 11:35 AM

I have no reason NOT to believe the allegations that have been made so far - except that I tend not to believe anything I read first on the internet. I'm still hoping that a reputable news organization will cover this story soon.

The other thing that bothers me about this issue is that so many of the most passionate posters choose to remain anonymous - so as far as I know I have no history with these folks. Why remain anonymous - is it really that difficult to come down on one side or the other concerning child abuse? So even though there is a good chance that this information is true - the "jury" is still out as far as I'm concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 May 13 - 09:07 AM

I had a great deal of respect for Bob as a musician.
I learned alot from his DVDs.
Sad to hear he was so sick in the head.
You could tell he was a guy with lots of sick secrets.
He had that vibe.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 09:00 AM

Just a quickie:

My previous post was in response to Jack C, this one is in response to all of the rest of you that have suggested that there are things worse then child abuse/pedophilia....all I can suggest to you misanthrops that HAVE NOT identified yourselves, is that you are not now. nor have you ever been a parent....identify yourselves so that I can also acuse you of, in all probability, of also being a child porn addict!

Sorry, but my Social Psych credentials, from, believe it not, the same Univ. that Brozman attended 10 years later, just arises, like the Phoenix, in times like these.

Please have the guts to identify yourselves, so that we can do an on-line analysis of your sociopathic needs & tendencies...before you too feel the need to act them out; or just do us all a favor and crawl back into the craven holes that you crawled out of, OK? Please, Thanks!

Gene R.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:30 AM

Somewhat contrary to the cult leader idea,I think one of the reasons these seemingly otherworldly allegations were so quickly accepted by many is the fact that brozman did in fact alienate so many people. There are many people who knew him well -- people who would never say a bad word about anyone -- who had absolutely nothing nice to say about BB. He was clearly, before any of these revelations, a somewhat damaged person.

Now I don't think that means that because of our prejudices we are accepting an untrue story, and I don't mean that people knew about this particular aspect of this damage.

I just mean that it fits in with the somewhat antisocial and egomaniacal man who many of us witnessed, whether up close or from afar.

And of course the witnesses are reliable and would have no reason to make this stuff up. Their stories, unfortunately, are being slowly confirmed albeit off the record at the moment.

It anyone knows a producer at a 60-minutes type show, I almost hate to say it, but this would be a very good story for them to take on. It's obviously got the elements of attraction and repulsion that these shows thrive on, and it could have a very positive impact in terms of identifying any other victims and putting them on the journey to healing.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:25 AM

or do we want the next generation of musicans to think this is acceptable... entitlement?

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Roadworker
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:20 AM

A multi-millionaire cult leader world cruising paedophile?
PLEASE ,Stop all this crazed speculation and implied "secret knowledge"
If the man did these terrible things (and its highly probable,given Gary and Mary's undeniably powerful and heartfelt disclosures)then the truth will come out eventually. If he was innocent,his reputation is still forever destroyed.
as someone pointed out,the main people that this is hurting now are two totally innocent and wonderful women,his wife and daughter.
His longtime friends are reeling with shock,but it cannot compare to the pain his wife and daughter must be feeling.
Please bear them in mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:56 AM

Gene you need to step away from the computer. I understand your anger, but now you're spraying it everywhere, and you're starting to look like an arse with your talk of Lawyers because ... one of your posts here was removed, is that it? I'm surprise they all haven't been removed.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,anon
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:50 AM

I hope this helps forum members who are having difficulty adjusting to the concept that Bob Brozman as you knew him through his musical presence was not the person he actually was. He apparently ensnared followers, resembling the kind of mind control much in the way of a cult leader. I believe that they are also his victims - I don't know what it takes to deprogram them.

Criminal sociopaths which IMHO is what he was are noted by criminal psychologists to be clever, good liars, bold,charismatic, without conscience and are capable of compartmentalizing their criminal activities, sometimes have a normal family life. The cravings and addictions for the criminal activity and associated dangers envigorate the criminal. Mr. Brozman also probably had financial and legal resources to squash any info.

Suicide when caught is not atypical response. A final act of the vicious control over people the sociopath held in life. Whether that was the basis of Mr. Brozman's actions I don't know.

The more those of you are able to see beyond his control, apparently from the grave,and illusions and contribute to making it known that you stand with all his victims that they will be safe coming forward you would be doing a service to them and freeing yourself at the same time.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Gene- Adelphi/Sunsplash Records & Films, Inc
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:39 AM

UM, my friend

I thought I had asked the following questions from would be posters in order to limit and to otherwise qualify would be posters?:

quickly---

1. do you have any children at all?
2. do you have any children whose ages right now are between 10 % 23 yeats old.
3. Finally, if your answer to BOTH of the above questions is yes, then finally, did you ever allow Bob Brozman to crash at your house
in your absence, and in the presence of ANY such underage children?

If not, please don't muddy the waters here further with your BS, opinionated comments, OK, PLEASE!

Gene R

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:17 AM

Gene - Duck is acting sensibly about this, and so is SRS. You come across like James VI of Scotland, who had his enemies exhumed so he could put their rotting corpses on trial for treason and chop their heads off posthumously.

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Adelphi Records- Gene/Peace
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:04 AM

5/7/2013

NG, why am I NOT SURPRISED!

The only difference between you & I is that I'm 70 years old, I own & run a record company & publishing company, which are worldwide respected, and that I also recorded in my home and in the field Artists like: Miss. John Hurt, Skip James, John Fahey, RL Burnside, Furry Lewis, Bukka White, Paul Geremia, Roy Book Binder, Johnny Shines, Henry Townsend, Big Joe Williams, Etc. AD Nauseum--- NO BULLSHIT!

Now of course, these comments, by me, will likely do nothing but to antagonize this incredibly, "self centered", control freak, bitch who by hook or by crook has gained control of this aspect of the mudcat site, or even worse, she's the "lamb to the slaughter" sent out by Joe, etc.

If it turns out that Joe's behind it, believe me Joe, this time I'll be at BWI, with the Marshals to personally identify you....and off to the Baltimore lockup you'll go.....as I told you before, the State of Maryland does NOT take lightly to public, on the web threats to Maryland residents. You now know me Joe, this is for real, no BS... unless, of course, you can intercede immediately and return this mess to what you promised me it would be!

Forewarned is forearmed Joe....btw I can recommend a good Baltimore criminal Attorney, which you WILL need.

Sorry Joe, but that's the way you apparently want it to go down.

Gene

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Gene- Adelphi/Sunsplash Records & Films, Inc
Date: 07 May 13 - 06:15 AM

May, 7, 2013

Duck (we love you), ET, AL

Dear friends:

Time is of the essense here & now.....it will/would take me hours to respond to each & everyone of your posts here, both pro & con.....however my responses are NOT of importance here, BUT what IS important here is the heinous/overt/abrogation of our rights of free speech on this "supposedly" NON MODERATED, NON CENSORED, Mudcat site period & exclamation point! I for one will NOT stand for it one second further!

Please immediatetly go to the "so-called" obit site and read my most current post, assuming that Ms SRS hasn't already deleted it!

More importantly, PLEASE, each & EVERY one of you, immediately "re-post" any & all of your posts here (whether Ms SRS bumped them over, or whether you've fallen victim to her trap. PLEASE PLEASE repost everything back to the so-called "obit site" where they obviously belong!

I'm sorry to suggest that Ms SRS is quite obviously to me an "anti-pro choice Republican Fundamentalist who absolutely knows what's BEST for ALL OF US!

If you have ANY doubts, ask her why there's NO alternative Heading on the mudcat site to the Brozman Obit site, meaning the ALT what she calls the "legal speculation site", actually don't bother!

There's now more posts here then on HER, OBIT site...........

Enough is enough already

I don't remember anyone appointing Ms SRS as our "MORAL" interpreter of God's will on this site or else where!

Do the right thing, there's power in numbers, but do it QUICKLY! Really it's quite probable that there exist perhaps DOZENS of abused children at Brozman's hands, and WE have a duty and responsibility to bring to EVERYONE's attention, particularly in the "Folk Community"!

For those of you that think his music, etc. is more important then perhaps dozens of lives which he's tortured &/or destroyed, then I damn you too, each & every one of you to the same hell that I hope he's twisting in..... obviously you deserve each other, & most probably ARE PARENTS....in fact, before you post again identify yourselves by name & e-mail, and state whether you are a parent or not!

Please, quickly post now my friends....

more later unless I'm banned----

Best, GR

www.adelphirecords.com

Subject: RE: BS: Bob Brozman legal issues (NOT obit)
From: GUEST,Duck Baker
Date: 07 May 13 - 05:17 AM

I'm going to add a couple of details of a non-contentious sort for the sake of those trying to make sense of things from afar. One is that Brozman was born to a very wealthy family, his father was among the richest real estate developers in Manhattan. Bob has alway been a multi-millionaire, with emphasis on the "multi" part. As to civil suits against the estate, one imagines that such may happen, but of course things of this sort can take years and years, and even at the conclusion the terms may not be public. I hope that people are not suggesting that we all wait for the outcome of any and all such cases before talking about the allegations.

The picture of Brozman as being in great pain, and especially as having sunk into some sort of suicidal despondency, does not square with known facts. He had just returned from Japan, from what I've hear, and people who saw him there saw the same Bob they knew, full of energy and apparent good spirits. A musician friend of mine who knew him very well spoke to him within 2 or 3 weeks of his death and said Bob sounded as upbeat as ever. He also pointed out that, over all the years he knew Brozman, he never took pain medicine stronger than ibuprofen (though this may have changed in very recent times, I wouldn't know). The decision to end his life would seem to have been very sudden and certainly no one outside his immediate family had any warning. This is offered not as evidence of anything so much as to give a picture. Could he have been hiding his despondency? Well, either that or he was hiding something else, and while I believe it was something else, both scenarios are pretty unbelievable to me.

To been very clear on the last - only one person I've spoken to has even said that he heard rumors about the allegations during Bob's life, and that person didn't believe them at the time. Bob was in any case a highly strung and sometimes difficult individual, and it's not as if everyone in the business loved the guy. The same could be said of many other people, present company included, so the individual who heard the rumors chalked it up to someone having bad feelings about Brozman. But he no longer does. He, like myself and all the other musicians with whom I've communicated, was shocked and saddened by news of the death, confused by the suicide, found the version of the story about the suicide being because of despondency over losing the use of his hands unbelievable on the face of it, confirmed that the persons making the allegations were who they say they are, and came to the conclusion that the allegations are true. None of us are happy about this, obviously, it has upset us all and caused some sleepless nights and we are each trying to deal with it in our own way.

But if it is difficult to comes to terms with the idea that someone we have known, hung out with, picked tunes with, swapped jokes with and thought was "one of us" was a sexual predator, what about the people he violated, the families he dropped bombs on, the innocent girls whose lives he damaged? That really can be the only focus, now.

I think I've added all that I can at this point.

Duck Baker