BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:27 PM

"The Palestinian Red Crescent said Israeli shells had hit the compound.

The Israeli military said Hamas had launched rockets that fell in the area that could have been responsible for the deaths.

"We can't confirm that this is a result of errant fire. In any case, we do not target U.N. facilities," military spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said. Lerner said the military had urged the U.N. and the Red Cross to evacuate the school for three days leading up to the incident."





Amazing how Palestinian government sources are ALWAYS certain it is Israeli fire, without even taking time to check the facts, while Israeli sources use terms like "could have" and "can't confirm" when there has not been enough time to determine what actually happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:41 PM

"Supporting the killing of the refugees staying at a school now - I don't believe it - whoops sorry - yes do
You have always hated Muslims and have made that plain ever since you said they were less than human and should be driven into the desert as they had no rights to live in Palestine, but this really is a step too far.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:52 PM

Jim, you lying scum sucker,

""Supporting the killing of the refugees staying at a school now - I don't believe it - whoops sorry - yes do"

I DO NOT _ YOU DO from YOUR support of Hamas rockets that KILL PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS.



"You have always hated Muslims "

ANOTHER LIE YOU have proven you hate them since YOU want to see them dead from your support of HAMAS war crimes.




"and have made that plain ever since you said they were less than human and should be driven into the desert as they had no rights to live in Palestine, but this really is a step too
far."


I NEVER said that, it is another one of YOUR LIES.







You have yet to present any facts, but you HAVE shown that you would rather lie than discuss the facts of the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:56 PM

Perhaps the moderators are happy to allow terrorist propaganda but decent people must be sick with beardedbruce and his apologising for murdering bastard thugs.

It's about time The USA stopped propping up this embarrassing pariah state.

The attacks on UN facilities are a war crime even under Keith's skewed interpretation.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:09 PM

Perhaps the moderators are happy to allow terrorist propaganda but decent people must be sick with Musket and his lies, failures to present ANY factual support for his opinions, and continuous support and apologising for murdering Hamas thugs.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:11 PM

"I NEVER said that, it is another one of YOUR LIES."
Nope - right next to the posting where I said I supported Hamas - you must remember it, surely?
It was the thread where you said all Muslims should be sent back to where they come from because they were a threat to decent people.
I don't think it was the same one you said all gays were sick, but it was around about the same time
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:18 PM

Wrong again, Jimmy.

"Nope - right next to the posting where I said I supported Hamas - you must remember it, surely?
It was the thread where you said all Muslims should be sent back to where they come from because they were a threat to decent people.
I don't think it was the same one you said all gays were sick, but it was around about the same time
"

MORE lies- I never said those statements- YOU may have lied and said I did, but I did not.


Since YOU make this claim, show me the thread where it happens, or shut the fuck up, you scums-ucking piece of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:19 PM

I see that Jimmy has taken ANOTHER page from the Nazis he so greatly respects, and decided that if he lies enough, he will be believed even without any basis in fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:21 PM

BullshitBruce is obviously off his meds again.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:23 PM

GregF,

YOU already tried to smear me with an outright lie, and got caught at it. Do you think you might stop having your friends try being as much of a scum-sucking asshole as you have been?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:29 PM

"decided that if he lies enough,"
Easily proved that I've lied Brucie - to take a leaf out of your own book - porove you haven't said what I claim you have - or on the other hand, prove that anybody here supports Hamas.
Lie the penis that you re - it's all in your hands
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:35 PM

NO, Jimmy boy-


YOU made the claim I said something- NOW SHOW THE PLACE IN THE THREAD, or be proven more of a piece of shit than GregF.




If YOU can't prove that I said it, all I HAVE said stands as true.


I have already demonstrated that your repeating proven lies to benefit Hamas is supporting that terrorist organization.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:40 PM

"NOW SHOW THE PLACE IN THE THREAD"
I told youwhere to find it - right next to where I said I supported Hamas
You've claimed I have often enough - you must remember exactly where it was
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:47 PM

Come on Brucie - you've had plenty of time
People will begin to think your making it all up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:54 PM

No? sorry, the film starts in a minute, and I love Michael Douglas thrillers
Must go
Byee
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 04:01 PM

So I have lied?

Where?

Another lie from someone who sees his role in defending those who set out to murder women and children and a track record in oppressing a country.

Nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 04:19 PM

Jim, re your description of flechettes.

"The "twist" being that they hurl thousands of two centimetre darts into aybody within range"

Replace the word "darts" with "fragments" and you have a description of the kind of shell in use since Napoleonic times.
They are considered legal weapons but like all weapons can be used illegally.
Clear now?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 05:49 PM

YOU already tried to smear me with an outright lie,

Please specify and document, or is this just the usual run of horseshit to be expected from BullshitBruce?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 08:01 PM

Colonel Richard Kemp, former commander of British forces in Afghanistan, talks to Ynet about Israel's military and moral superiority over Hamas, and says Israel should hit Gaza harder and faster.

"There is no equivalence between Israel and Hamas we're talking about a Western liberal democracy fighting an internationally prescribed terrorist group".

"I would like to see the IDF operating much faster, going in perhaps harder and faster, that's what I would like to see," Kemp told Ynet on Wednesday.

"But having said that, I recognize - as you recognize - the pressures on Israel from all around the world to absolutely minimize the number of civilian casualties they're causing", he added. "I believe that on the basis of everything that I've seen, that everything the IDF does to protect civilians and to stop the death of innocent civilians is a great deal more than any other army, and it's more than the British and the American armies."

        

'IDF does more than any other army to prevent civilian deaths'

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,hw
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 08:42 PM

more Hasbara tinged bullshit.

"let's go to a hill in Sderot, bring some lawn chairs and beer
when a missile hits the Strip we'll all stand up and cheer
take a few selfies, cuz we're good at what we do
we can protect ourselves And have some fun at a Gaza Barbeque"

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 03:05 AM

At this rate, and being as bringing a solution for peace, or at least a cease fire(different things), seems to be an impossibility for the 'less evolved'....I'm surprised you guys haven't launched missiles at each other...and join in on the fight!
...aand all this time I thought musicians were more dialed into peace... I bet you these internal conflicts takes its toll on your ability to play well!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 03:09 AM

"Replace the word "darts" with "fragments" and you have a description of the kind of shell in use since Napoleonic times.
They are considered legal weapons but like all weapons can be used illegally."
I would condemn out of hand the use of weapons that explode and spray shrapnel into the flesh of human beings under any circumstances.
These are thousands of deliberately designed dart-shaped missiles which are packed into a casing in order that they may spray over an area and bury themselves into human flesh.
Their use is illegal when they are directed at non-combatants, which is exactly how that have been used in Gaza - and have been photographed having been used.
That anybody can condone that use is, as far as I'm concerned, the depth of depravity.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 03:49 AM

Hey Jim, I thought you were to be commended for your prior demeanor in dealing with the topic...forget it. You've been sucked into the fray, and are not above it, to offer peace or peaceful solutions.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 04:12 AM

"Hey Jim, I thought you were to be commended for your prior demeanor in dealing with the topic."
Not my complain GfS
Now Israels slaughter is well underway, its supporters seem to have now gone viral in their support.
They are far better in making my point than I am - think I'll leave them to it.
Ji Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 05:13 AM

That anybody can condone that use is, as far as I'm concerned, the depth of depravity.

No-one has Jim.
I did explain the legal position as you were making a lot of statements based on your total ignorance.
That is in no sense condoning the use of any violence.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 05:25 AM

We really are back in the ancient territory; as to whether war can ever be justified; if so, what limits should be placed on its prosecution; are there certain weapons which can't be employed; and can using such ever be justified in the interests of ending hostilities sooner rather than later and so avoiding further deaths and casualties???.....

Questions which have been exercising people for just about as long as....

I can see where both Jim & Keith are coming from; but somehow have no great hopes of the matter being settled just this morning.

Pity, as I have to go out this afternoon. But there it is.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 05:40 AM

Remember that nice ironic bit early on in The Bridge On The River Kwai, where the Japanese Commandant flings down the copy of the Geneva Convention which Colonel Nicolson [Alec Guinness] has offered him, & Nicolson says, oh ever-so sarcastically and crushingly, something like "If you have no regard for the rules of civilised warfare, then I have nothing further to say to you!"

And ain't that him told, just...!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 06:26 AM

"No-one has Jim."
You have the legality of using flechette weapons on civilians yest you have derisively compared them to Napoleonic weapons -that is to condone them
You have defended the use of white phosphorous as "harmless illumination" - even the Israelis accepted their nature and withdrew them last year - you condoned them firsr time round (because the Israelis used them) now you remain silent on them.
You denied the dstruction of hospitals, then you defended their destruction on the basis of the Israeli 'human d#shields' (slaughtering hostages) claim - do you have a view on them now, particularly on the latest atrocity?
The Isralis are using DIME weapons, which are known to have bacteriological effects on their targets - silence.
You have supported atrocities and war crimes throughout all these threads from day one
You're a mess Keith - for a claimed Christian, you are a caricature of everything that is wrong with religion.
"I can see where both Jim & Keith"
Passing by o the other side - make sure that fance-post doesn't go too far up your backside.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 06:34 AM

"From the 48 Hamas prisoners that have been captured, the intelligence have been interrogating them and the most terrifying, and horrific picture is being built.

"They are being investigated about the many tunnels that have been found and dug under many kibbutzim that surround Gaza. The most terrifying detail is being uncovered that Hamas had a plan to attack all the settlements and kibbutzim in the area this year on Rosh Hashanah with an invasion of over 200 terrorists into almost all the settlements in the area. The tunnels went under the kibbutzim under the kindergartens and dining rooms and other areas within the kibbutz perimeters. They planned to occupy the whole area and kill as many Israeli as possible.

"This could have been the worst terror attack in the history of terrorism. Thousands of people, including women and children would have been slaughtered in this planned attack.

"I think now we start to understand how dangerous these tunnels really are. They all have to be destroyed and we cannot leave even one undetected or unattended to. These tunnels are more dangerous than any rocket or any other weapon."

Full roundup of intelligence on the Hamas tunnels and planned mega-attacks here: http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2014/07/what-hamas-planned-to-do-with-terror.html

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 06:47 AM

Hamas Fires on IDF Field Hospital
By: Jewish Press News Briefs
Published: July 23rd, 2014

Hamas terrorists fired mortar rounds Wednesday at an IDF field hospital on the Israeli side of the Gaza border, according to a report on Israel Radio. The Israeli army set up the hospital last week to treat Palestinian victims of Hamas' "human shields" policy, but the report indicated that the terror gang has prevented wounded Palestinians from seeking treatment there.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 06:54 AM

Retired Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz says the media have been racist in their coverage of the Israeli-Hamas coverage.

During an interview on the Hugh Hewitt radio show, Dershowitz said the media have totally ignored the far greater casualties that have occurred in Muslim-on-Muslim violence in the Arab world.

"Seven hundred people were killed in two days last week — there wasn't a word about it in the media," Dershowitz told this writer, who has been guest hosting Hugh Hewitt's radio show all this week. "But a few dozen Palestinians were killed and the body count was prominent."

"And I think it is racism — implicit racism on the part of the media," he continued. "And that is, when an Arab and Muslim kills another Arab and Muslim, it is not news. But when an Israeli Jew in self defense kills an Arab Muslim, that becomes front-page news."

During two days last week, more Syrians were killed than in the entire flare up between Israel and Hamas over the last two weeks. In total, more Arabs have died in the current Syrian civil war than in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict by nearly a factor of two.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/24/alan-dershowitz-media-racist-in-coverage-of-israel-hamas-conflict/#ixzz38TbjhZ18

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:00 AM

The simple question detractors can't answer — What could Israel logically do, other than what it's now doing?

National Post

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:18 AM

"During two days last week, more Syrians were killed than in the entire flare up between Israel and Hamas over the last two weeks. In total, more Arabs have died in the current Syrian civil war than in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict by nearly a factor of two."

But Jimmy and Musket don't care how many Arab Muslims get killed- they are all just cannon fodder to attack Israel with. If the ones killed in Syria can't be blamed on Israel, then they are not "significant". Only ones killed by Israel are "human beings" according to Jimmy and Musket.


GregF,

YOU stated that I had called someone a "Dumb Ni**er"


Your explainanition was that SOMEONE ELSE had used the term "Black, and Democrat", which YOU read as "Dumb Ni**er"


You even admitted that you had the wrong person- after the fact.


In this area of the country, people are fired from their jobs for using such terms as "niggardly" , even correctly.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:35 AM

Beardedbruce.

Why are you typing such filth? Why do you assume anybody who opposes Israeli militant terrorism is on the side of any other militant faction?

Why do you state as a fact that only people killed by Israelis are human according to me.. Where do you read that? What if I were to bring up your conviction for sexual abuse of small boys in your care?

Why don't moderators pull the plug on your hateful lies and obscenities?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:38 AM

"What if I were to bring up your conviction for sexual abuse of small boys in your care? "

You would ( continue) to be a liar.



YOU are the one who brings up child molestation- it seems like a dear topic for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:39 AM

No caring for small boys, no abuse, no convictions- STOP judging others by yourself and your friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:40 AM

You have defended the use of white phosphorous as "harmless illumination"

Your quote is faked.
You lie again.
It is actually dangerous stuff.
Why do you keep making up shit about me Jim?

DIME may have biological effects, but not "bacteriological."
Little is actually known of its effects on people.
It is designed to reduce collateral damage by limiting the spread of the explosion, so you can see why Israel might want to use it.
How certain are you of its use Jim?

On flechettes, I was trying to help you understand that they are just a refinement of Herr Shrapnels's invention, not a totally new kind of weapon.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:41 AM

"Alan Dershowitz"
O. J Simpson's lawyer who once accused Alice Walker of 'antisemitism' for refusing permission for her novel, 'The Color Purple' to be published in Israel
Now that is worrying!!
Is there really any point in producing pro-Israeli cut-,n-pastes from wherever you can gather them, when the facts of Israel's terrorism speak for themselves in the murder of civilians (%20 of them children), the destruction of hospitals, schools health centers and home, and the turning of then of thousands of families out onto the street, to be maime and killed by bombs, heavy artillery, chemical and biological weapons.... etc?
A bear of very little brain indeed

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:45 AM

Jimmy boy,

" when the facts of Israel's terrorism "

YOU have not yet presented ANY such facts. YOU have made claims, which you will not provide proof for, and presented statements from ONE side, demanded we accept them and then refused to even investigate claims by the other side.


Not a reasonable way to debate, or even persuade others you have a valid point to make.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:45 AM

Musket, BBs point that far greater death tolls of Arabsare ignored here because Israel is not involved is a very valid one.

Where is there condemnation of Assad or Isis to compare with the never ending, all consuming posts about Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:29 AM

"YOU have not yet presented ANY such facts. "
Turn on your television - take a look at the photographs of the missiles used, count the civilian dead -red the reports of the Shatila/Sabra massacre facilitated and actively assisted by Israel, who then went on to make the declared leader of Israel's complicity prime minister- see the photographs of children's faces burned to the bone by white phosphorus dropped on civilian area...... all recorded history.
Of course, none of this mkes the slightest difference to you - you have proposed that all Palestinians be evicted and "let their Muslim friends in the surrounding states take care of them" (on the same thread as the one where I supported Hamas (according to you!)
Have a good day now
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:41 AM

You even admitted that you had the wrong person- after the fact.

Well, BullshotBruce, that's what honest folks do when they realize they've made a mistake. Unlike yourself.

PS: it would have been a bit difficult to admit it before the fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 09:50 AM

It's a democracy thing I suppose. The world, which I subscribe to requires Israel to cease their terrorist activities in Gaza.

Beardedbruce and other sundry apologists think such a stance is anti Semitic.

Nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 10:50 AM

The world, which I subscribe to..

Which world is that Musket?


EU countries call Hamas terrorists not Israel.
Does your world not have a Europe or an EU?

I have long suspected you are not of this world.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 10:53 AM

The antisemitism subsists in all your obsessive concentration on this particular [defensive] conflict, with no reference to other, far more destructive and lethal, ones currently in progress in the same area.

You think it doesn't, but it does...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 10:54 AM

Oh, bum. Only just noticed who I was replying to. Too late to withdraw it now. And my point holds anyhow.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 11:06 AM

"EU countries call Hamas terrorists not Israel."
EU politicians call Hamas terrorists - Israel most certainly and is slaughtering civilians and destroying their homes, hospitals and schools on the basis of their claim
Israel was won by terrorism, as were many nations, and their 'terrorists' became national heroes
The difference with Israel is that it has become a terrorist State using terrorist methods to expand its territory and crush opposition to its doing so
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 11:39 AM

That is your perspective Jim, but enlightened governments do not share it.
Also, Navi Pillay (UN Human Rights) said Israeli action COULD be illegal.
On Ch4 News a few nights ago she said Hamas actions were illegal.
She used the word "unequivocally."

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 12:13 PM

As the garbage you post is YOUR perspective, FWK.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 01:04 PM

"On Ch4 News a few nights ago she said Hamas actions were illegal."
Speaking on behalf of the U.N. of course...!!!!
Human rights organisations have been declaring Israeli behaviour illegal and inhuman for years
Had it not been for the U.S. veto, Israel would have been hauled up before the U.N. dozens of times to answer for its behaviour
Isn't it strange (not) that whenever the U.N. or any body indulge in criticism or condemnation of Israel - including John Kerry, they are branded "Antisemitic", yet if a stray mamber of the U.n. passes an opinion in its favour, that opinion becomes indisputable?
Jim Carroll
The UN Secretary no less, has just declared Israel's behaviour as "wrong", but I don't suppose that'll carry the same weights as Navi Pilays, for some strange reason.
Israel's action has now reached The West Bank