BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 03:22 AM

It is not racist to hate Governments - we would be lesser human beings if we let them do what they do without challenging them.
It is deeply racist to apply that hatred and criticism to the people they claim to represent - which is what you are doing now and what Keith does constantly with his "implant" and "brainwashing" shit.
Every religion carries with it a risk of bigotry, condemnation and hatred and to single out one as being worse that the other, or one as not being as bad at the other, as you do, promotes bigotry and hatred.
As somebody pointed out elsewhere, Christianity has probably been responsible for more persecution throughout history, than any other religion, but not because they are any worse or more fanatical, but because they have been given more of an opportunity to do so.
Blaming a basically peaceful and tolerant people, as I have found all the Muslims I have ever met to be, for the behaviour of fanatics, is bigotry and hate-mongering in the extreme.
No - I am not going to defend any of those things you mention - I never have; but I do recognise them all as being aspects of many religions, including Christianity, at one time or another, and would be again if the opportunity arose.
Why do I post twice - I don't - I never do so deliberately - people like Keith constantly complain of my long posts, so I would have to be extremely stupid in giving him twice as much to whinge about.
Where I am, the internet is extremely slow; for some reason I find this forum extremely slow to respond
I now find that I always have to save my postings before I send them (as I will do this one) because sometimes they don't post, and when I check, they have not been sent.
I'm not a particularly patient person, so occasionally I hit the button twice because I think it is taking to long - simple as that - I thought you might have worked that out for yourself - I misjudged you again, it would appear.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 05:51 PM

& Re your tautologous oxymoron "racist islamophobia", Jim; it is not self-evidently either phobic or racist to be critical of a cultural tradition whose governments of states within whose jurisdictions forms of it are dominant and authoritative, indulge in a variety of practices of a capitally or corporally punitive nature which are not practised or approved of, in states where what most people outside them [particularly those of your generally expressed persuasions, Jim!], whose inhabitants do not regard them as appropriate to the usages of decent C21 society: particularly for many offences which are not even defined as illegal in most such parts of the world. Are you going to defend the treatment notoriously meted out to adultresses, blasphemers, apostates, in such countries as Saudi, Yemen, parts of Malaysia, Pakistan, N Nigeria, &c. If not, then why are not you 'islamophobically racist' too?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 05:32 PM

HIT ~~ So WHY do you always post twice, then, Jim?

RUN? -- Nope, Still here, waiting for an answer. No longer the least bit interested in your fatuous anti-u·no·wot on the MidEast, which we all know by yawn-inducing ❤ by this time. But have always wondered about this compulsion of yours to post your posts twice. Why DO you do it? If you don't answer, but just turn charmlessly offensive as usual, then you, not I, will be the one doing the runner, eh?

Traditional greetings, as ever

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 03:06 PM

"esp when Jim always prints out all his posts twice. Anyone know why he does that? We've always heard him the first time ~~ gawdelpus"
Spineless as ever with your hit and runs Mike
You'll be picking upon typos next - plenty to choose from
At least Keith has the mindless bollocks yo stand up for what he believes in
At least it's finally brought you out of your "neutral" closet into the bright light of racist Islamophobia.
And then there were two nasty little brain-dead shits
"and look at the first few posts."
And then ignore all the rest - and your continuing suggestion that it was OK to sell Assad the wherewithal to get the opposition into his torture chambers - don't think so, do you.
11,000 people have 'disappeared'from Assad's torture chambers and you still want us to accept your view that he should be sold riot control equipment and armoured cars.
You appear to be indulging in self-harm, but at least you now have someone to hold the razor blade for you.
What a sad pair
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:39 PM

Jim, anyone can choose to rely on your reputation for honesty(!), or they can choose to take neither your nor my word for anything and look at the first few posts.

Then they will know which of us is spouting dishonest bollocks, Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:32 PM

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esp when Jim always prints out all his posts twice. Anyone know why he does that? We've always heard him the first time ~~ gawdelpus

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:19 PM

"Or, you could follow my link to the thread and see who is talking bollocks!"
OK - how about these for size

"That explains why the Libyan security forces have been putting down unrest in the country with plenty of rubber bullets, tear gas and other ammunition to a considerable degree British made.
The UK was still selling arms to Libya just four months before Colonel Gaddafi turned them on his own people, with government ministers approving a deal for sniper rifles, bullets and tear gas".

"Official figures show that since 2009, Britain approved export licences worth £2.3billion to 16 states over a 21-month period.
Military export licenses to Libya alone since the start of 2009 totalled £61.3million, according to Department for Business figures. The UK also awarded Bahrain £6million of licences covering submachine guns, sniper rifles, CS hand grenades, smoke canisters, stun grenades and riot control agents. At least 26 citizens have been killed and 1,000 injured as the Gulf state cracked down on freedom campaigners. Britain also approved arms licenses totalling £1.7billion to Saudi Arabia, £20.4million to Egypt, £276.9million to Algeria and £52.8million to the United Arab Emirates.
Body armour and night vision goggles have been approved for Yemen, SMALL ARMS AMMUNITION FOR SYRIA, and sniper rifles, aircraft components and armoured personnel carriers for Saudi Arabia. MPs on the cross-party committee admitted the Coalition government had been 'vigorously backpedalling' to revoke 156 arms export licences to the region since the 'Arab Spring' of uprisings began. But they raised concerns about sales of arms in the first place by Gordon Brown and David Cameron to authoritarian regimes, in deals which are at odds with Britain's stance on upholding human rights."

And your good self.
"You have clearly been searching vigorously, but all you have come up with is some sniper rifles. The only other "weapons" supplied were armour plated buses, tear gas and water cannon."
"That would be for the sniper rifles Jim.
Britain does not make Kalashnikov rounds".
"Even liberal democracies have to deal with riots.
Non-lethal crowd control techniques are preferable to live rounds".

What point exactly are you making or have you completely flipped?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:19 PM

"Or, you could follow my link to the thread and see who is talking bollocks!"
OK - how about these for size

"That explains why the Libyan security forces have been putting down unrest in the country with plenty of rubber bullets, tear gas and other ammunition to a considerable degree British made.
The UK was still selling arms to Libya just four months before Colonel Gaddafi turned them on his own people, with government ministers approving a deal for sniper rifles, bullets and tear gas".

"Official figures show that since 2009, Britain approved export licences worth £2.3billion to 16 states over a 21-month period.
Military export licenses to Libya alone since the start of 2009 totalled £61.3million, according to Department for Business figures. The UK also awarded Bahrain £6million of licences covering submachine guns, sniper rifles, CS hand grenades, smoke canisters, stun grenades and riot control agents. At least 26 citizens have been killed and 1,000 injured as the Gulf state cracked down on freedom campaigners. Britain also approved arms licenses totalling £1.7billion to Saudi Arabia, £20.4million to Egypt, £276.9million to Algeria and £52.8million to the United Arab Emirates.
Body armour and night vision goggles have been approved for Yemen, SMALL ARMS AMMUNITION FOR SYRIA, and sniper rifles, aircraft components and armoured personnel carriers for Saudi Arabia. MPs on the cross-party committee admitted the Coalition government had been 'vigorously backpedalling' to revoke 156 arms export licences to the region since the 'Arab Spring' of uprisings began. But they raised concerns about sales of arms in the first place by Gordon Brown and David Cameron to authoritarian regimes, in deals which are at odds with Britain's stance on upholding human rights."

And your good self.
"You have clearly been searching vigorously, but all you have come up with is some sniper rifles. The only other "weapons" supplied were armour plated buses, tear gas and water cannon."
"That would be for the sniper rifles Jim.
Britain does not make Kalashnikov rounds".
"Even liberal democracies have to deal with riots.
Non-lethal crowd control techniques are preferable to live rounds".

What point exactly are you making or have you completely flipped?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 12:37 PM

Or, you could follow my link to the thread and see who is talking bollocks!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 11:22 AM

"I did start a thread about Syria."
Crocodile tears which exposed themselves as such when the British Arms Trade was mentioned
What is happening in Syrian is down to everyone who supported her - Britain sold small arms ammunition and supplied armoured cars and riot control equipment - both urged by you.
That was the depth of your sympathy for the Syrian opposition =- to suggest Assad be given the wherewithal to suppress it and lock its leaders in his torture chambers.
You have been given the total who have been disappeared from those torture chambers yet you have not commented once on them, nor have you responded to Britain having supplied the weaponry to put them there, other than to support it and call those of us who find it degrading to the British people - "anti-British" and are still doing so, in spite of the horrific number of fatalities, casualties and refugees brought about by Britain's friend and trading partner
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 11:14 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 11:10 AM

I did start a thread about Syria.
There was little interest, except from Jim who tried to make it about Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 09:11 AM

"I cited as evidence the fact that Israel is endlessly attacked on a plethora of threads, but there are rather few threads where countries like Syria,"

And if you really gave two shits about those other countries, you would start threads about them, not use them to absolve your preferred oppressors.

Your cynicism is legendary!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 08:56 AM

"I started the thread "Homs horror" as an all out attack on Assad."
You have since defended British sales of chemicals to Assad and reiterated your proposal to supply riot control equipment to his regime.
The veracity of your 'Homs Horror' thread was summed up by your dismissal of criticism of selling sniper bullets to Syria which were probably used to train the snipers shooting down women with babes in arms on the streets of Homs - I think your words were, "only a few sniper rifles" (a significat mistake on your part in revealing that you believe selling rifles for snipers was unimportant
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 08:44 AM

Not true Jim.
I started the thread "Homs horror" as an all out attack on Assad.
It was YOU who tried to make it about Britain, instead of your old mates Russia and China who really did and do supply Assad with all his weaponry and munitions.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 08:37 AM

You are, of course, right Troubadour
I think the last time he involved himself in what was happening in Syria was in defence of Britain selling chemicals to them at the time of the Assad chemical attacks.
Defence of British arms sales is yet another of his "games" and any criticism of that becomes "anti-British", just as criticism of Israel is "anti Semitic"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 08:33 AM

We were debating whether Israel is singled out.
I cited as evidence the fact that Israel is endlessly attacked on a plethora of threads, but there are rather few threads where countries like Syria, Egypt or other neighbours are ever attacked.
That is a reasonable observation to make in that context.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 08:28 AM

"Israel's neighbour Syria right now is guilty of the worst abuses since WW2.
Who has been moved to post about it?"

Only you have been moved to cynically use it in an attempt once more to distract attention from the thread topic.

Manipulative, devious and dishonest, to say the least.

And totally in keeping with the pro Israel, regardless of its atrocious actions, attitude you have displayed ever since the Good Friday Agreement robbed you of your other game.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 07:15 AM

By the way - i suggest you postpone the celebrations until Kieth gets back from church
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 07:15 AM

By the way - i suggest you postpone the celebrations until Kieth gets back from church
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:50 AM

"Welcome back to the Keith'n'Carroll Show"
Sneer away Mike
I have no doubt whatever that you would take exactly the same stance if Keith's target had been the Jewish people other than those nasty Muslims with 'appalling dress sense'!!
I have come to the decision that there is no place for me on a forum that allows itself to be used for persistent bile and hatred, or those who only intervene to sneer at efforts to stop it.
Go back to bed, as you suggested; I'm sure your conscience is very lonely up there without you.
I'll leave the field open to you and your friend
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:38 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:06 AM

"Think I'll go back to bed."
Because I wasn't taught to 'pass by on the other side' - you obviously don't share that view and prefer to sneer from the sidelines.
Keith's racist attacks have now broadened to take in the Irish, Anglo Irish - which includes me and mine.
Obviously something you don't feel worth bothering about
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 03:09 AM

I'm not on any particular side of the fence in this instance, Jim. Merely commenting that we have been here time & time again to ∞; that all the usual suspects were just saying all the same things to ∞; so that the whole issue had become a complete matter of

הו הם

so why did you all keep on bothering?

Honestly can't see how or why you could interpret this comment as expressing any specific opinion on the matter in hand. But, as I have said before, like brother Paul in Football Crazy, this is a subject that seems to have "robbed you of the little bit of sense you had". No offence; just a quote that come to mind as germane.

Think I'll go back to bed.

Ho Hum!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 02:45 AM

"that says "Ho hum!" in Hebrew."
Didn't take long for you to scramble back on your side of the fence Mike
My memory is't as good as it was nowadays either
That says, what a waste in English
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 10:21 PM

I can Greg, but everyone else understands.
I have provided a list of examples.
Here it is again,

All EU countries including Ireland, all Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada,.....

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 05:50 PM

הו הם

FYI ~~ that says "Ho hum!" in Hebrew.

I am afraid I don't know how to write it in Arabic too -- or I would.

~
‎מיכאל~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 05:40 PM

only a complete fuckwit would fail to know what that means.

Once again, proving that you are one, as you can't define or explain the terms you use.

Ta.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 03:29 PM

their behaviour is condemned universally throughout the world

Except by liberal democracies.
(Greg only a complete fuckwit would fail to know what that means.)

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 03:25 PM

By the way - as you are fond of pointing out - this thread is specifically on one subject " Small hope for Israel/Palestine" - not on "liberal democracies", not about people "attacking me", not about being "Anti British", not about other "terrorist regimes", all of which you have attempted to introduce here - just about "Small hope for Israel/Palestine" - read the large print at the top of the page.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 03:06 PM

"Once again: DEFINE "liberal democracies"."
Why - what has this got to do with Israel's behaviour.
This is becoming tediously familiar.
You call Pakistanis 'Implanted perverts' and rustle up a group of "experts" who you claim agree with you.
Because a couple of those "expert" happen to be Asian, you accuse those who #disagree with you of being "racist".
Word War One - you spirit up a team of "historians" who you claim agree with you and suggest that those who disagree you accuse of being "anti-British"
The Irish Famine - you spirit up a team of "historians" again and accuse anybody who disagrees with you of being "brain-washed by biased historians and bigoted educationalists - this time placing all Irish and Irish-American children firmly in your sites - all hate-filled morons who despise Britain.
Now what have we got; the old usual - "you're an anti-Semite if you disagree with me" and surprise-surprise; a team of politician"experts" who believe Israel to be the bee's knees!!
Give us a break Keith - you can fool some of the people some of the time (in your case never) - but nobody on this forum is as thick as you believe them to be.
While I am happy to hang around and help you make another complete ass of yourself, I really believe you are quite capable of doing that under your own steam.
You have Israel's record on war crimes and human rights abuses - defend them - 'Casualty' calls.
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:03 PM

I refer to all liberal democracies.

Once again: DEFINE "liberal democracies".

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 01:59 PM

"I refer to all liberal democracies."
It doesn't matter who the **** supports the Israeli regime, it's terrorist activities speak for themselves
Why mention Ireland - you've just confirmed (see the rapidly disappearing (not before time) that you believe all Irish and Irish Americans are all hate-filled bigoted zombies because of their having been brainwashed by a biased education system.
However politicians and businessmen regard Israel, their behaviour is condemned universally throughout the world; the only reason they haven't faced war crimes and human rights abuses charges is because they have been protected by over 100 U.S. vetoes
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 12:58 PM

Ireland?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 12:57 PM

I refer to all liberal democracies.
All EU countries, all Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada,.....

Do any accuse Israel of terrorism?
Greg?
Jim?
Stringsinger?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 12:13 PM

"Does any liberal government accuse Israel of terrorism Jim?"
I assume you are referring to the "liberal" Governments who sell arms to terrorists, such as Britain and the United States?
No more Keith; you stand more of a chance of making your point by actually addressing Israel's behaviour rather than producing character witnesses on its behalf who are the world leaders in the arms trade.
Israel is accused and guilty by its behaviour - defend that, if you must
Stop drifting the thread in order to create diversions
Finish eh - let the discussion continue without making it one of our black holes?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 12:07 PM

Define "liberal government" - if you can. Or do you mean "most historians"?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 11:50 AM

I would never defend any terrorist behaviour.
Does any liberal government accuse Israel of terrorism Jim?
No.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 10:41 AM

"You care nothing for murdered Arabs unless you can use them to attack Israel or to attack Britain, or just me."
You are somewhat self-obsessed to think you have any place in my thoughts Keith - this is about Israel and Palestine, not about you.
I am happy to criticise any Government who British sells weapons and the wherewithal to manufacture chemical ones to terrorist states and has defended doing the same, especially when it is the government of my country.
I am equally happy to condemn those who condone such behaviour on a regular basis - if the cap fits, as they say.
If you want to continue to defend Israel's terrorist behaviour, feel free to do so - a friendly piece of advice - your message might be more defective if it wasn't delivered from up your own arse - this is not about you - you only come into it when you defend terrorism.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 09:58 AM

You make my point again Jim.
You care nothing for murdered Arabs unless you can use them to attack Israel or to attack Britain, or just me.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 09:52 AM

Times of Israel - there's neutral for you
Israel's behavior throughout the peace talks has been one of aggression and a clear indication that they have no intention of the expansion of settlements, not eve while the talks are taking place.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 09:48 AM

At the heart of the impasse, however, lies a fundamental asymmetry: Israeli Jews have come to believe that their own best interests, and specifically the imperative to retain a Jewish and democratic Israel, require an accommodation with the Palestinians. There is no comparable imperative on the Palestinian side — not, that is, so long as much of the international community persists in indicating to the Palestinians that they will be able to achieve full independence and sovereignty without the inconvenience of coming to terms with Israel.

Read more: Why the peace talks are collapsing, part 94 | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/why-the-peace-talks-are-collapsing-part-94/#ixzz2xvXMAEjx

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 04:46 AM

"You make my point again Jim."
No Keith I'll make my point again
"When Assad was still just killing demonstrators and destroying only Homs, I started a thread condemning it."
It was on the same thread that you proposed arming Assad with riot control equipment and excused his being sold "only sniper rifles" - which you identified as such - this last was at the time that the citizens of Homs were being cut down in the streets by snipers.
Since then, you have reiterated your support for the sale of riot equipment, even going as far as to search out an obscure Australian group to back up your outrageous proposals.
You have supported the sale of chemicals to the Syrian regime which are capable of being used for the creation of chemical weapons.
So much for your "sympathy" for Assad's victims.
One sick cookie"
A hypocritical racist defending a regime committing war crimes and human rights abused
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 04:32 AM

You make my point again Jim.
You care nothing for murdered Arabs unless you can use them to attack Israel or to attack Britain, or just me.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Stringsinger
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 07:56 PM

Desmond Tutu has an eloquent statement on the oppression of the Palestinian people.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 07:48 PM

Nice, BooBad - but can we discuss 2014 rather than ancient history? After all, its the present we have to deal with.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 06:59 PM

The shame is that a two state solution was offered to the Arabs in 1947. Israel accepted it and wanted to live in peace. The Arabs rejected it and wanted to wage war. Everything that has happened since is the result of that decision.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 06:49 PM

Jews went on their own and reclaimed Jewish owned land illegally stole,

No BooBad, Israelis (not "Jews") on their own appropriated and occupied land extralegally.

So to oppose Jewish settlements is actually simply anti-Semitism

Same old dogshit "anti-Semite" smokescreen.

So the oppressor gets to dictate what is "right" and what is "legal".

It was ever thus, BooBad.

Shame that the Israeli government has learned absolutely nothing from the historical persecution of the Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 06:40 PM

The settlement movement began long before any authorization by the Israeli Government as Jews went on their own and reclaimed Jewish owned land illegally stolen in 1948 by Jordan. Settlements date from 1967-1973. The Israeli Government authorized nothing until 1974. So to oppose Jewish settlements is actually simply anti-Semitism - saying that Jews should not be allowed to live on land they own and that the mere presence of Jews is a problem for Arabs. If Israel would claim that all Arabs must leave Israel because they are a provocation, the world would scream, but it seems OK to demand that Arab areas be free of Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 06:36 PM

According to whom? The Israeli government?

Try again, apologist.