BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 01:00 PM

Greggie boy,

Have you stopped beating your wife, yet??



If YOU don't believe the general, please provide ANY reputable report of it's use BY ISRAEL in this battle.

Video, or physical evidence NOT Hamas claims with no evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 12:56 PM

YOU expect HAMAS to admit killing Palestinian civilians, both directly, by using them as human shields, and by dropping anti-personnel warheads on them?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 12:51 PM

but did not use controversial white phosphorous this time around, an Israeli general said on Tuesday.

You expected the general to ADMIT using it, maybe?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 12:37 PM

GROUND FORCES COMMAND BASE Israel (Reuters) - Israel fired almost five times more artillery shells into Gaza during the last month of fighting than in the 2008-2009 war there but did not use controversial white phosphorous this time around, an Israeli general said on Tuesday.

Criticized by human rights groups after the previous conflict for posing a burn risk to civilians by shelling the congested Palestinian enclave with white phosphorous to create smoke-screens, Israel said last year it was phasing out those rounds.

In the conflict with Hamas-led Palestinian guerrillas that erupted in July 8, Israeli gunners masked troop advances only with locally made M116 "gray smoke" rounds that contain no white phosphorous, artillery chief Brigadier-General Roy Riftin said.

"Smokescreens based on white phosphorous were certainly not used. We enforced this in an extreme fashion," he said in an interview at ground forces headquarters in southern Israel.

Though Israel reprimanded two senior army officers over a 2009 strike near a U.N. compound in the Gaza Strip that involved smokescreen shells, Riftin saw no legal barrier to using white phosphorous. His corps plans to stock up on U.S.-supplied M825 rounds containing the incendiary chemical in reduced form.

White phosphorous was being shunned, for now, mainly because "it photographs badly", Riftin said - a reference to the distinctive octopus-like clouds the shells formed over Gaza and ensuing showers of potentially lethal embers on civilian areas.

"When you have an alternative, you use the alternative. Had there not been an alternative, I'm convinced there would not have been an issue" with again using white phosphorous, he said.

TROOP SUPPORT

Smoke produced by M116 shells disperses more quickly than white phosphorous smoke, so more of them had to be used, Riftin said, putting the number at around half of some 34,000 artillery rounds his corps fired into the Gaza Strip since July 8, as well as hundreds of camera-guided Tammuz ground-to-ground missiles.

By contrast, only 7,000 artillery shells were fired in the 2008-2009 war. Riftin said that, in the current fighting, heavier shelling with high-explosive rounds was required to dislodge Palestinian guerrillas who, though outgunned, were more effectively dug in and killed 64 Israeli troops in urban combat.
…

Unlike during Israel's 2006 war against Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon, Riftin said his corps had not fired widely destructive cluster munitions or Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) into Gaza, given the dense Palestinian population there.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 11:13 AM

Bassem Eid is a Palestinian human rights activist who lives in East Jerusalem. This is what he wrote a few hours ago. I thought this Palestinian perspective was worth sharing.


"Most of the Palestinians were against the rocket fire on Israel. They realized that the rockets would not give us anything. They called on Hamas to stop firing, knowing that it had paved the way for the death of its own people.

We knew that Hamas was digging the tunnels which would to lead to our destruction. We knew that three people live on every square meter in Gaza. And Hamas knew that an attack on Israel would lead to mass death, but it's leaders are more interested in their own victories than in the lives of their victims.

Indeed, Hamas depends on death, which gives it power and allows it to raise funds and purchase weapons. Hamas has never been interested in liberating the Palestinian people from the occupation. And Israel will never be able to destroy the infrastructures it has built. Only we, the Palestinian people, can do that.

It was the Gazan residents' responsibility to rebel against the Hamas rule. We knew what they were doing to us, but we let ourselves off easy and allowed it to happen.

Will all this death finally teach us a lesson? I hope so. The lesson is that we must get rid of Hamas and completely demilitarize Gaza. And then open the crossings.

I'm saying this as a loyal Palestinian. I'm saying this because I am concerned about my people's future."


Gazans must get rid of Hamas

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 09:19 AM

have already stated that JEWS are not really human, and have NO rights.

Get help, Bullshot - you're really losing what little remains of your tenuous grasp of reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 08:16 AM

Jimmy,

YOU have stated a number of lies- since I now assume ALL that you state is false, I see no reason to reply to yur accusations.

There were a GREATER number of Jewish refugees driven out of Arab lands than there were Palestinian Arabs driven out of Israel.

As in EVERY OTHER CONFLICT with population shifts, the JEWS were resettled, mostly in Israel.

The Palestinian Muslims were NOT resettled by the Arabs- they were kept in camps BY THE ARABS and not allowed to become citizens of the country they were in.

But it is you and your fellow stooges that are keeping the Palestinians in camps now, and killing them with your support of Hamas.

The blood remains on your hands, no matter what lies you make up about other people.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 08:13 AM

"Keith, Teribus and bobad will really get off on this:"

WHY?

C'mon Christmas:

Any Jewish refugees being granted any right of return Christmas??

1: Why are there Palestinian refugee camps in Palestinian territory?

NB: There are 8 refugee camps in Gaza all set up between 1948 & 1949. WHile in the West Bank there are 19 of the damn things set up between 1948 & 1965

2: Who were those hundreds of Palestinian civilian refugees that you vehemently claim were supposedly killed in a "massacre" invented by the Palestinians and who were supposedly huckled out of Jenin by the IDF? UNRWA after all did account for all but one of the camp's residents didn't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 08:10 AM

"Jimmy and his fellow stooges have already stated that JEWS are not really human,"
Where?
Are you sure you're not confusing this with your having demanded the anaihalation of all those Palestinians who won't leave?
How did your domestic abuse trial go by the way?
"No comment"
Seems to be a long-standing habit of yours
"Any Jewish refugees being granted any right of return Christmas"
Until Israel allows all sides to devise a peaceful conclusion none of this can be settled - but I have little doubt Palestine would agree to an exchange of refugees - why not put it to the Knesset?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 07:43 AM

Keith, Teribus and bobad will really get off on this:

ORGASMIC

...though it would be fair to read this "accurate clarification" (copied from her Facebook page) first:

I am both saddened and disappointed that my statement about the tragedy of civilian casualties was totally taken out of context. What I said and stand behind is, war is hell and unfortunately civilians are victims of political conflicts. We, The United States, certainly know this as 69 years later we still feel the guilt of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The media, as usual, has decided to only quote the most out of context and inflammatory non sequitur rather than giving an accurate account of what my intentions were behind the statement. Along with every other sane person in this world, I am praying for peace. It is stupid and wrong and I am tired of bearing the brunt of attacks by people who want to sell newspapers or gain ratings by creating a scandal about me that is non-existent.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 07:35 AM

Jimmy and his fellow stooges have already stated that JEWS are not really human, and have NO rights. THEY are forbidden to defend themselves, and should be blamed for every dead Palestinian, even when Hamas shoots them in the back of the head, or drops anti-personnel rockets on a school.


There are different rules that JEWS are supposed to follow. Just ask Jimmy about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 07:07 AM

Oh BTW I forgot to ask you again Christmas:

1: Why are there Palestinian refugee camps in Palestinian territory?

2: Who were those hundreds of Palestinian civilian refugees that you vehemently claim were supposedly killed in a "massacre" invented by the Palestinians and who were supposedly huckled out of Jenin by the IDF? UNRWA after all did account for all but one of the camp's residents didn't they?

Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad and the Palestinian Authority like you Christmas just love to make shit up - That is why I never believe a single word they say.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 06:47 AM

Any Jewish refugees being granted any right of return Christmas??

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 06:36 AM

Goebbels ain't dead - he's just changed his name
Jim Carroll
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No comment

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 06:01 AM

"I think you will find Christmas that the refugee camps in both "
I think yu will find that the refuge situation was result of numerous events.
Totally beside the point - the refusal by the Israeli government to allow any to return is now the direct cause of the refugee situation.
The Palestinian refugee fighter was referring to the Palestinian people as a whole, now and in the past - your reader still not up to explain thisngs to you?
"The population in Auschwitz did not grow or flourish"
Didn't have time to do either.
Your suggestion that the Gazans are "flourishing" under Israeli dominance is as crudely inaccurate as was the propaganda used to persuade the Jews to enter the extermination camps in the first place   
Goebbels ain't dead - he's just changed his name
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 05:23 AM

"Israel has reduced Palestinian territory to a ghetto, created 5 million refugees and as spent nearly a decade in trying to starve it into submission." - inaccurate shit made up by Christmas

I think you will find Christmas that the refugee camps in both the West Bank and in Gaza were created and set up by the Jordanians and the Egyptians when they invaded Palestine and occupied those territories - Israel had S.F.A. to do with their creation or maintenance.

Now the really funny thing was was that it was discovered by first the Egyptians and Jordanians, then latterly by the Palestinians own "leaders" that these refugees could be used to convince useful idiots such as yourself to dole out huge sums of money that was supposed to go to "helping" these refugees. Of course hardly any of it did, but the Palestinian "leadership" did acquire enormous wealth in the process. But to get this dosh Christmas it meant that the Palestinian "leaders" had to keep these refugee camps going thereby in fact imprisoning Palestinians on Palestinian land - Now you never did answer my question about them doing that.

Had the Israelis actually seriously tried to "starve" the Palestinians into submission then they would have succeeded in that years ago. The Palestinians can get anything they want into Gaza, their preference seems to be weapons, rockets and missiles, all with the help and support of the population of Gaza it would seem. Fine live by the sword then die by it. They want war then let them pay the price for it, just don't keep wittering on and complaining about it just because in your mind the wrong people are dying.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 05:05 AM

With no indiscriminately targeted rockets roaring off to hopefully {I presume} hit, maim and kill lots and lots of Israeli civilians and no attack tunnels being dug to carry-out raids aimed at capturing Israeli hostages and killing others, WHAT EXACTLY WOULD THIS PALESTINIAN FREEDOM FIGHTER BE DYING FROM?? - boredom.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 05:00 AM

The population in Auschwitz did not grow or flourish.
The population of Gaza does, and if they stopped attacking Israel they would have wealth and prosperity too.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 04:47 AM

"The population grows and flourishes."
The population may grow - an aspect of many poverty stricken countries - it is an obscene lie to claim that it flourishes.
Israel has reduced Palestinian territory to a ghetto, created 5 million refugees and as spent nearly a decade in trying to starve it into submission.
To describe that as "flourishing" it equivalent to passing Auschwitz off as a health camp.
You are totally and rabidly insane in your unqualified support for Israel
That's what all of this is about.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 04:28 AM

As the Palestinian resistance fighter said                                                                                             "WE ARE DYING ANYWAY, WE HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO FIGHT"   

No they are not.
The population grows and flourishes.
The alternative to fighting is to have peace and prosperity as well.

Israel is not expanding, and has not for 40 years.
It is still just a tiny sliver of land lost among the vast Arab nations.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 03:30 AM

Taking on board all that has been said about "the end justifies the means" attitude of Hamas, the issue of Israeli expansion must also be addressed if peace is to be achieved.

The Palestinians see what they regard as their land, being swallowed up by Israeli settlers and feel completely powerless to stop it, while they are contained within what must feel like a prison.

Resentment about this is surely understandable?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 03:01 AM

"Oh but they DID opt for war Christmas, the Israeli's offered to extend the 72-hour ceasefire but Hamas decided to resume "fighting"
As things stand, a cease fire without an intention to make it permanent is meaningless - Israel intends to continue this until she has beaten the Palestinians into submission.
As the Palestinian resistance fighter said                                                                                                 

                                                                  "WE ARE DYING ANYWAY, WE HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO FIGHT"   

I can understand that.
Little Booboo puts it in a nutshell - "Come out with your hands up - for you, the war is over".
Israel keeps the weapons she has just slaughtered so many innocent people with, Gaza throws away hers.
Israel has a growing arms industry - the fact that she once tried to make Apartheid South Africa nuclear capable has yet to be commented on by the atrocity apologists.
Israel is ruled by extreimst right-wingers and is rapidly becoming a fascist state
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 14 - 01:26 AM

"They did not opt for war - Israel started this as a revenge attack for the death of four boys."

Oh but they DID opt for war Christmas, the Israeli's offered to extend the 72-hour ceasefire but Hamas decided to resume "fighting" – For "fighting" read firing off some missiles from locations deliberately surrounded by civilians in order that Hamas ensures that while they do the "fighting" it is the civilian population that do the dying – Hamas never has nor ever will give a flying f**k about the civilians who live in Gaza, they are only useful for the photo ops that bring in the aid dollars, that is why for 67 years the Arabs have kept their tame refugees in abject poverty.
Christmas could you please point out in the Hamas charter where they state that they will wipe out all Israelis, they do however make many references to wiping out all Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 08:13 PM

In an August 7, 2014 article titled "We Did Not Win," which was posted on the Amad.ps website, Palestinian columnist Dalia Al-'Afifi challenged Hamas' claim that it won the Gaza war. She wrote that Hamas had shown ignorance of Israel's rationale, had caused innumerable losses and damage to the Palestinians, and had erred in rejecting the Egyptian initiative. She added that the immense destruction in Gaza cannot be called a victory by any standards, and that Hamas' tactics are not likely to bring about an improvement in the Gazans' living conditions, not to mention promote the larger political goals of the Palestinian people.

Palestinian Columnist: Hamas Did Not Win The War, Only Brought Suffering Upon Gazans

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 06:49 PM

Oh and Greg, your attempts at establishing moral equivalences are becoming more and more pathetic...

Amusing, Boo, especially as you, Bullshot & FKWT constantly do the same thing when you can spin it to Israel's favor.

Have you got a mirror in the house?

(See also Caliphate thread)

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 06:38 PM

I guess you are also ignorant of the Geneva Initiative which was an agreement for the demilitarization of Gaza (and the West Bank).It was agreed to by both Israel and the Palestinians.


Defense Characteristics of the Palestinian State

Palestine shall be a non-militarized state, with no armed forces other than
1.
a strong security force, including police forces, marine police, gendarmerie
type forces, internal security organs, intelligence organizations and border
security forces.
The Multinational Force (MF) shall protect the territorial integrity of the
2.
State of Palestine and serve as a deterrent against external attacks.
The following categories of weapons will not be allowed to be purchased,
3.
owned, used or manufactured by anyone in Palestine:
Tanks
a.
Armored vehicles other than up to 400 wheeled armored vehicles that
b.
will be used by the Palestinian Security Force (PSF) and equipped only
with the weapons allowed to be carried by the Palestinian security
force.
Rockets
c.
Guided missiles
d.
Anti-aircraft weapons
e.
Anti-ship weapons
f.
Artillery systems
g.
Mortars
h.
Mines
i.
Machine guns above 7.62 mm caliber.
j.
Laser weapons or other radiating weapons.
k.
Combat aircraft, combat helicopters and UAVs
l.
Armed naval vessels other then light boats (up to 25 tons) armed with
m.
light weapons up to 7.62 mm machine-guns.
Weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
n.
Anti-armor weapons, explosives and grenades of the PSF will be kept under
4.
MF's storage control and will only be used with the MF's permission.
Arrangements will be established by the IVG for the peaceful use of
5.
explosives in quarries. These arrangements will prevent other uses of the
explosives. The implementation of these arrangements will be monitored by
the IVG.
94
The Geneva Initiative
Any proposed changes to this Annex shall be considered by a Coordination
6.
Committee (CC) composed of the two Parties and the MF. If no agreement is
reached in the CC, the IVG may make its own recommendations.
No individuals or organizations in Palestine other than the PSF, the organs
7.
of the IVG, including the MF and the EWS, may purchase, possess, carry or
use weapons except as provided by Palestinian law.
The MF shall monitor and verify compliance with this article. The MF will
8.
keep a registry of all weapons imported to Palestine or manufactured in
Palestine. The PSF will notify the MF about any purchase, manufacture
or import of weapons in Palestine. The MF will perform scheduled and
challenge inspections in Palestinian security installations to verify that the
limitations on weaponry are maintained.
No armed militias will be allowed in Palestine. Political movements
9.
and organizations will not be allowed to purchase, posses, carry or use
weapons.
The PSF mission includes preventing destabilization and upholding the
10.
integrity of and respect for the State of Palestine and shall:
Maintain border control;
a.
Maintain law-and-order and perform police functions;
b.
Perform information gathering and security functions;
c.
Prevent any act of violence;
d.
Conduct rescue and emergency missions; and
e.
Supplement essential community services when necessary.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 06:30 PM

"just so soon as Israel is demilitarised."

I know that you would love to see that Greg because it would mean the end of Israel and the death of millions of Jews and that would have you coming in your pants. But alas, Greg, that will never happen so I suggest you keep pleasuring yourself while entertaining that fantasy.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 06:25 PM

Oh and Greg, your attempts at establishing moral equivalences are becoming more and more pathetic....I suggest you give it a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 05:58 PM

Gaza must be demilitarized.

I'm with ya there, Boo - just so soon as Israel is demilitarised.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 05:28 PM

it was reported in the world press as true.

Is that the same thing as "I read it on the Internet so it must be true", Bullshot?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 04:24 PM

"There is only one way to achieve sustained quiet in Israel and build a peaceful and prosperous Gaza. Hamas must be disarmed. Gaza must be demilitarized. And the international community must divorce itself from the romantic notion of Hamas as 'freedom fighters.' " -

Ambassador Ron Prosor at the Unired Nations

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:57 PM

No, Greggie, it was reported in the world press as true. As I was not present in Gaza, I will have to take the witness as telling the truth unless there is some ulterior motive, or the witness has established a pattern of lying like you and your fellow stooges have done.

But you can just have your Hamas friends kill another dozen Palestinian civilians for you to blame on Israel: THAT should ease your mind about having to deal with facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:43 PM

So the story WAS made up BS, then, Bullshot?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:30 PM

Why, Greggie?
You want to make sure that Hamas kills him, too?


You stooges have NEVER complained when HAMAS kills Palestinian civilians- YOU seem to cheer that on.

Nor have any of you stooges YET to admit that a number of the civilian deaths YOU KEEP BLAMING on Israel are from misfired HAMAS anti-personnel rockets, EVEN WHEN THE UN, reporters, and VIDEOS show it.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:24 PM

And what WAS that source, Bullshot?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:03 PM

"The same source also revealed that tunnel workers usually worked an 8-12 hour day, and were paid the equivalent of between $150-$300, monthly.

The majority of the tunnels were reportedly dug in civilian areas on purpose, to maximize Palestinian deaths during expected Israeli reprisals, and were often beneath homes, chicken coops and pens, around a mile from the Israeli border.

The Gazan source, speaking about the executions themselves. explained:

"They were very cruel. They annihilated some of the diggers because there was a rumor circulating that a few of them had worked with Israel or had been in touch with Israeli civilians. They feared that Israel would know the location of the tunnels and who was involved in their making."

From the Hamas perspective, locating the tunnel entrances in private homes, schools, and mosques could only lead to a win-win scenario.

If Israel couldn't locate the tunnels, then the terrorists could enter and leave Israel at will. However, if Israel discovered the tunnels, their destruction would result directly, or indirectly, in the deaths of civilians."

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 09:38 AM

Hamas executed dozens of diggers responsible for its extensive tunnel system in past weeks, fearing the workers would reveal the site locations to Israel, a report on the Mako website's army blog said.

After the tunnels were completed, dozens were reportedly executed to prevent intelligence leaks to Israel.

"Anyone they suspected might transfer information to Israel on the tunnels was killed by the military wing," a different source said. "They were very cruel."

In 2012, a Journal of Palestine Studies article claimed 160 Palestinian children were killed while working on Hamas's tunnel system.

Hamas said to have executed dozens of tunnel diggers

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 08:23 AM

Have done - do you think your Israeli friends will or will they think they've done enough for Gaza already?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 08:20 AM

Jim, there was not always a blockade on Gaza.
It started because of Hamas attacks and would end if they stop.

Egypt and Jordan agreed to stop attacking Israel and have enjoyed peace ever since.

Hezbollah in Lebanon has been left alone since their rockets stopped.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 07:07 AM

I've donated....will you?

Emergency Food Aid for Gaza

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 05:00 AM

Don't be stupid
"Israel calling - Israel calling"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 04:46 AM

All that would stop when the rockets stop

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 04:42 AM

"Stop rocketing Israel and there would be no violence at all."
Depends on how you define violence
The forcible removal of people from their homes using chemical sprays, armed soldiers and police is violent
The prevention of fisherman going about their trade using military vessels is violent.
The act of preventing people going about their daily lives with military checkpoints is violent
The use of soldiers to facilitate evictions to make room for settlers is violent.
Over the last few weeks protesters have been killed and wounded by police and soldiers for opposing what is going on - violence.
Violence in one form or another has become a part of Palestinian life for several decades
How about proposing that all these things stop, the blockade ended and the walls removed - that will do for a start
What you are proposing is the Palestinians throw down their arms and come out with their hands up
That is not a solution - it is a surrender to a terrorist State.
"Peace and prosperity would replace death and Destruction."
Just like it was before "Arbeit Macht Frei"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 04:28 AM

I have proposed a solution.
Stop rocketing Israel and there would be no violence at all.
Agree not to import missiles into GAza or tunnel into Israel and the blockade would end.
Peace and prosperity would replace death and Destruction.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 02:26 AM

The images coming out of Gaza are a minute picture of what is taking place there - they represent a tiny tip of a massive iceberg.
By and large they are censored for public consumption - the images of corpses and those injured and maimed are unbroadcastable, so we get quick snatches of patents being rushed into hospitals on trolleys, or covered corpses being lamented over by grieving survivors.
The vast areas of devastation that have been created are so vast that they cannot be photographed without arial equipment, so we are left with brief snapshots and words like "devastation" and "masses of rubble".
If you people who support this murder whinge about these images being presented, I will be fascinated to see your reaction when the overall picture is put up for public view and the full consequences are discussed.   
Your lot has supported this crime without question even before it began - some of you have been advocating that something like this should happen in your claims that Palestinians have no right to their homeland and should be prepared to move out at the behest of an aggressive state.
You describe practical opposition to Israeli terrorism as "terrorism" and verbal opposition as "Antisemitism".
In these discussions, none of you have attempted to rationally discuss a solution to the problems caused by a dying Empire, anxious to rid itself of a troublesome subject, having scratched together a solution that satisfied nobody, and pissing off hurriedly, leaving two opposing people to sort it out or themselves - any attempts to discuss it on this level are either ignored or aggressively sneered at.
You alone blame "the Jews" for for this State terrorism, nobody else here has; it is hardly surprising that the genuine Jew haters of this world are going to take up your offer and use what is happening as a platform in the same way as you have used "Antisemitism" as a substitute for rational argument.
I hope that we don't all have to enjoy the fruits of your endevours.
Carry on cut-'n-pasting Booboo, is seems to be all you are capable of.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 06:57 PM

But they really just mean the Israeli government.....right Greg?

A protest in Holland, that was approved by the Dutch government and meant to be a peaceful demonstration against Israel's Gaza operation and against the arrest of an Islamist operative, turned into a terrifying rally of hundreds of ISIS supporters.

The protesters marched in the streets of The Hague uninterrupted while waving the black ISIS flags, calling "Death to Jews" and shouting other slogans calling to murder and fight the West and specifically the United States.


ISIS protesters call 'Death to Jews' in The Hague

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 06:48 PM

And the Jew haters and useful idiots are only too eager to eat it up.

"The images coming out of the Gaza Strip are heart-wrenching. They are also part of a deliberate and sophisticated distortion machine. A veteran journalist takes us inside."

Why Everything Reported from Gaza is Crazy Twisted

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 01:19 PM

Intentional rocket fire earlier today by Hamas causes the closure of Kerem Shalom crossing, through which humanitarian aid passes into Gaza. The barrage of rockets hit the crossing compound directly and It was decided not to endanger the workers at the site and to halt the transfer of goods until further notice.
Once again, Hamas prioritizes terror over the welfare of the people of Gaza.

Rocket attack forces closure of Israel-Gaza border crossing

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,hw
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 08:26 AM

Hillbillary is a war-mongering fool. Where's the proof that Russia had anything to do with that aircraft's demise. ? On social media ?
False flag.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 07:42 AM

"....there are more demonstrations against Israel by an exponential amount than there are against Russia seizing part of Ukraine and shooting down a civilian airliner. So there's something else at work here than what you see on TV."

Hilary Clinton