BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 10:42 AM

By opting for war Christmas whose "Hearts and Minds" have Hamas won? As far as Hamas is concerned the "civilian" population of Gaza don't count apart from being useful to them as human shields and cannon fodder.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 10:51 AM

"Three days after the mangled body of a senior Hamas official was found among the ruins of the Shejaiya neighborhood in the Gaza Strip, conflicting reports emerged on Thursday regarding his mysterious death, a report by the Times of Israel said.

Hamas claimed that Ayman Taha, a former spokesman for Hamas in Gaza, was killed in an Israeli airstrike that "targeted him in the apartment where he was with several others in Gaza City," according to a report by i24news, an Israeli news agency. However, a report by Al-Quds, a Palestinian daily, reported that Taha was executed by a Hamas firing squad earlier this week for maintaining contacts with the intelligence services of Egypt and other Arab countries.

Taha was reportedly killed by several shots to the head and chest, reports said, citing local hospital officials, adding that the incident was banned from being published by Hamas until Thursday, when the information was released to the public. Hamas said on Thursday that it had executed several Palestinians suspected of spying for Israel.

"Spies were executed after they were caught red-handedly informing on the whereabouts of the resistance (or) disrupting the work of resistance men and defusing ambushes prepared against the enemy," a Hamas security service member said, i24news reported, citing Al-Arabiya.

Taha was reportedly the son of one of Hamas' founders and was a well known spokesman for the Palestinian cause before his arrest by Hamas in February on suspected corruption charges, for allegedly buying villas in Gaza with embezzled money. Taha was then held in a Hamas detention facility in the Gaza Strip, with Hamas stating that the arrest was due to "financial issues" while insisting that his imprisonment was an internal matter and was not related to security concerns with "enemies."
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 11:32 AM

The United Nations plays a supporting role in every war between Hamas and Israel. U.N. spokesmen routinely issue statements, accusations and denials about everyone's conduct, including their own (most recently they had to account for why they returned rockets, discovered in a U.N. school, to Hamas). Israel was denounced worldwide for an "attack" on a U.N. school said to be housing 3,000 civilians, but it was actually an attack on particular terrorists on the adjoining street.

First, what UNRWA isn't. The United Nations High Commission for Refugees provides humanitarian relief for those who flee their homes worldwide. Even the toughest critics of the U.N. would probably agree that this is a valuable function for the international body. But the Palestinians get their own, separate refugee agency: UNRWA.

The UNHCR defines a refugee as someone who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable ... or ... unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country." Since its foundation, the UNHCR has helped to resettle some 50 million people.

UNRWA, by contrast, defines a refugee as someone "whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict" and their descendants .

When five Arab nations attacked the nascent Jewish state in 1948, refugees flowed in both directions. About a half-million Arabs fled Jewish areas, and about the same number of Jews fled Arab lands. No separate U.N. agency was created to care for Jewish refugees. They were absorbed by Israel. The previous year, after the partition of India, some 14.5 million refugees fled in both directions between India and Pakistan. Their descendants are not, obviously, considered refugees, nor are the descendants of Ugandan, Cypriot, Hungarian, Ethiopian, Sri Lankan, Congolese, Bosnian, Angolan and countless other refugees over the past 60 years.

Imagine if the American loyalists who fled to Canada after our revolution had been supported by an international agency whose charter specified that they and their descendants would remain refugees until they were able to return to an America governed from London?

Though the normal course is for refugee numbers to spike during conflict and then decline with time, because of UNRWA's unique definition, the number of Palestinian refugees has expanded from half a million to more than 5 million.

While UNHCR is currently attempting to serve 50 million refugees, asylum seekers and internally displaced persons, it employs only 7,600 relief workers. UNRWA employs 29,000, only 200 of whom are not Palestinians. The per capita budget of UNRWA, underwritten to a large extent by the U.S., is twice that of UNHCR.

Syria alone has generated 2.5 million refugees in the past three years. Seventy-five thousand refugees have fled Libya since February. The funds used to keep Palestinians in permanent mendicant status are badly needed elsewhere.

Every Palestinian "refugee" is guaranteed a free education up to age 15 courtesy of the United Nations. Controversies have flared from time to time when UNRWA has been accused of using inflammatory textbooks and teaching materials that encourage hatred of Jews and Israelis. Credible reports have shown UNRWA textbooks that feature maps without Israel. UNRWA has hosted summer camps called "Camp Jihad."

There are many reasons for Palestinian intransigence on accepting a two-state solution to their predicament. It was offered three times: first in 1948 with the U.N. partition plan, next in 2000 at the Taba negotiations, and again in 2008 with the Olmert plan. The original refusal to share the land with Jews was a mistake, founded on the belief that the Arab nations could defeat the nascent Israel. But since then the Palestinians have become infantilized by 66 years of victim status. UNRWA has run their schools, clinics, hospitals, banks, construction projects, after-school programs, immunization drives and emergency services.

Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon eventually gave up the fantasy of destroying Israel. Perhaps if the UNRWA umbilical cord were snipped, Palestinians would be readier to face reality as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 12:15 PM

"By opting for war Christmas whose "Hearts and Minds" have Hamas won? "
All Hamas has done is to attept to resist Israeli Fascism - the was what it was elected to do - I don't like them, I don't support them neither do i trust the, or any organisation with religious connections - but they are all that is on hand at present.
They did not opt for war - Israel started this as a revenge attack for
the death of four boys.
Israli aggression in driving Palestinian out of their homes to make way for Jewish settlers before Hamas was a twinkle in anybody's eye.
Human shield is propaganda shite put up by politicians who support Israel
Every single resistance fighter in history is guilty of using human shields taking you particular interpretation of the term.
Jewish freedom fighters who carried out assassinations then melted int the crowd used 'human shield' - resistance fighters in wartime France who planned lodged with French sympathisers, their activities and hid their wapons in the homes of civilians used 'human shields', South African freedom fighters opposing Apartheid from within the Townships used 'human shields'.
The alternative Hamas has to fighting from within the community is to set up camp in the middle of the desert and wait for the people they are fighting wipe them out with a couple of bombs         
The term 'Human Shields' has a specific meaning which has been distorted by the Israelis and their supporters to justify mass murder.
In the real sense of the term, both Israel and Hamas have been guilty of it and both have been warned about it.
If you can't see whose hearts and minds have been won by the last three weeks massacres - you've got more shit for brains than I gave you credit for - and that would be some achievement on your part.
"Jimmy boy,"
Brucie girl:
"THEY are the ones who STATE that they want to kill ALL JEWS."
And you and your sick mates are the ones who have turned this from an Israeli thing into a "Jewish" one
If those of us who oppose Israeli terrorism are Antisemitic, as you insist on claiming we are, then it is the "Jews" who are to blame.
Hamas appears to be agreeing with you - or you them
Only you and yours have attempted to bring "the Jews" into these discussions - you have from the beginning and you continue to do so.
Not only have you shamed the Jewish people, but by blaming them for sabra/Shatila, Gaza, and all the other atrocities, you have painted a target on each and every Jewish person.
You are lying when you claim to be quoting Hamas - this has been your only defence of Israli terrorism apart from your claim that Palestinians are less than human, heve no right to occupy the land they do and "should be driven out in the desert to let their own kind take care of them"
To be honest, one of the greatest arguments against Israel is the quality of support it gets from people like you, Keith and Tommy the Would-be Trooper.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 12:25 PM

Jimmy, you stupid anti-Semitic bastard liar,

"And you and your sick mates are the ones who have turned this from an Israeli thing into a "Jewish" one"

NO, that i what HAMAS has done for years.


"If those of us who oppose Israeli terrorism are Antisemitic, as you insist on claiming we are, then it is the "Jews" who are to blame."

No, YOU anti-Semitic bastards are the ones who meet the EU definition, and hold Israel to standards you refuse to apply to the rest of the world.


"Only you and yours have attempted to bring "the Jews" into these discussions - you have from the beginning and you continue to do so."

Hamas and the Arab League have done so from the beginning- and YOU anti-Semitic bastards have done so world-wide whenever Israel acts in any way to defend itself.




"Not only have you shamed the Jewish people, but by blaming them for sabra/Shatila, Gaza, and all the other atrocities, you have painted a target on each and every Jewish person."

YOU have done this- and lied continuously about your own posts.


You are lying when you claim to be quoting Hamas "

NO, I have quoted from their own Charter- YOU have lied almost every post you have made.

- this has been your only defence of Israli terrorism apart from your claim that Palestinians are less than human, heve no right to occupy the land they do and "should be driven out in the desert to let their own kind take care of them"

I have never made such a claim- THAT is another of your damned lies. You make up lies, and have proven yourself to be incapable of either supporting your opinions with facts, or providing any evidence that you even try to find out the truth.



You really are a sick, Anti-Semitic, lying bastard.

Your parents must be so proud of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 12:48 PM

Yet more C&P drivel from Bullshot with no source.

It is to ignore.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 01:08 PM

So speaks the stooge of scum.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:15 PM

Yet another bon mot from the steel-trap mind and razor intellect of BullshotBruce. Oh, you silver-tongued devil, you!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:17 PM

Now, wait a minute "The Stooge of Scum" ..... wasn't that a Gene Chandler hit ca. 1962?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:21 PM

Three more posts from Greggie, and not one word that contributes to the thread…

Typical.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:54 PM

So, Bullshot: ya ever gonna provide those sources, or just more anonymous C&P crap?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 03:02 PM

"And you and your sick mates are the ones who have turned this from an Israeli thing into a "Jewish" one"

Read the Charter of Hamas....idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 03:20 PM

"Jimmy, you stupid anti-Semitic bastard liar,"
There you go gain blaming the Jews
""NO, that i what HAMAS has done for years.""
No - by accusing people who criticise Israel of being Anrtisemites - THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, and if you continue to do so and continue to describe Hamas as "my friends" - I will continue to dredge up some more of your extremist statements such as the ones where you proposed "wiping out Palestinians who would not leave Gaza willingly".
When I run out of them, I shall go on to the information I have been PMd about your reputation as a wife-beater and a drunkard, I really can keep this up just as long as you can.
"Your parents must be so proud of you"
My father, who fought fascism in Spain and Antisemitism on the streets of Liverpool, was always uneasy about the possibility of Zionist Fascism, of which you are a worthy representative - had he lived long enough, I have no doubt whatever that he would hare my views - he certainly influenced them very strongly.
How would your parents feel about your blaming THE JEWS for Sabra Shatila?
Now go and sling your Antisemitic hook and go and try to start a pogrom somewhere else.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 03:55 PM

Antisemitism on rise across Europe 'in worst times since the Nazis'

In the space of just one week last month, according to Crif, the umbrella group for France's Jewish organisations, eight synagogues were attacked. One, in the Paris suburb of Sarcelles, was firebombed by a 400-strong mob. A kosher supermarket and pharmacy were smashed and looted; the crowd's chants and banners included "Death to Jews" and "Slit Jews' throats". That same weekend, in the Barbes neighbourhood of the capital, stone-throwing protesters burned Israeli flags: "Israhell", read one banner.

In Germany last month, molotov cocktails were lobbed into the Bergische synagogue in Wuppertal – previously destroyed on Kristallnacht – and a Berlin imam, Abu Bilal Ismail, called on Allah to "destroy the Zionist Jews … Count them and kill them, to the very last one." Bottles were thrown through the window of an antisemitism campaigner in Frankfurt; an elderly Jewish man was beaten up at a pro-Israel rally in Hamburg; an Orthodox Jewish teenager punched in the face in Berlin. In several cities, chants at pro-Palestinian protests compared Israel's actions to the Holocaust; other notable slogans included: "Jew, coward pig, come out and fight alone," and "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas."

The Guardian

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 04:51 PM

Oh, PLEASE, Boo, not more anti-Semites and Nazis - its really getting stale.

I suppose you also feel that the actions of the Israeli government don't contribute to the negative image of Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 09:32 PM

In very little time a great deal more violence is being exercised on the Yazidis. For those who overuse the word 'genocide' this is a real case:
The Last of the Yezhidis
I'm waiting for someone to start a thread on this.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 03:41 AM

"In the space of just one week last month, according to Crif, the umbrella group for France's Jewish organisation"
Yes Booboo - we know this and have pointed it out.
We have also pointed out that the rise in Antisemitism is linked to the massacre of nearly 2000 people, the destruction of homes, hospitals, schools.... in fact the deliberate destruction of their means of living life as human beings.
This latest adventure could never have been anything but a military success for Israel, but as far as their reputation as a nation, it has been a massive own-goal - Hamas could never have achieved what Israel just has over three weeks for the Palestinian people .
Linking yet another atrocity to 'The Jews' is as Antisemitic as it gets - the Jewish people have enough to cope with without your adding to it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 05:28 AM

UK is sending an NHS team to help treat Gazan casualties, in Israeli hospitals.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 05:35 AM

"UK is sending an NHS team to help treat Gazan casualties, in Israeli hospitals."
About time it did something after supporting the slaughter with its silence
Now lets here it for a boycott and a worldwide demand that the blockade belifted
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 07:59 AM

Too many American and European intellectuals have taken moral relativism to its absurd extreme, falling back upon the 'validity of every narrative' and repeating the mantra that 'every story has two sides.' They treat those who have a clear moral stance as primitive. For them, if you take a moral stand or choose a side in a conflict you must lack the necessary tolerance to "see the other side."

The Betrayal of the Intellectual

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 08:19 AM

Israeli columnist Dror Feuer jumped at the chance for a long-weekend in London as a break from war in Israel last week, but returned with astute observations about British adoration of Hamas as the underdog, a "one-sided media" that doesn't even pretend to show the other side, and stories of Jews enduring tongue-in-cheek taunts, including an internet meme of 'Death to All Juice.'

The Algemeiner

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 08:30 AM

On bias in the media and phony moral equivalence: What the media overlooks about Hamas

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 09:48 AM

So Boo is also an anti-intellectual.

Imagine my surprise. So are MOST demagogues.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 01:26 PM

Maybe we disagree as to the facts. A definition of 'massacre' is:

"A massacre is a specific incident which involves the violent killing of many people[citation needed] – and the perpetrating party is perceived as in total control of force while the victimized party is perceived as helpless or innocent."

I think the Israelis regard their actions as responsive and defensive in respect to the fact that their population is under general attack.

I think some people are being perceived as antisemitic because they are taking an attitude that Israel's very success in defending themselves has resulted in lopsided casualty counts, therefore 'it isn't fair', and extrapolating this to justify attacks on Jews in Europe.

It reminds me of the child's complaint: "Dad, Johnny hit me back!"

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 01:40 PM

It reminds me of the child's complaint: "Dad, Johnny hit me back!"

Well, when you consider the fact that Boo's and Bullshot's mental ages are about 2 to 21/2 years old, this makes perfect sense, dunnit?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 02:49 PM

Ad Hominem attacks just make the schoolyard similes more appropriate.

Subject: RE: Sarcasm
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 03:26 PM

Israel condemns new hostilities between the U.S. and the ISIS forces in Iraq. Israel urges both sides to declare an immediate ceasefire and to begin negotiations in order to settle their conflict. "The targeted bombing of insurgents by the U.S. forces is 'unacceptable'", says an unnamed Israeli source, "because it may endanger the lives of guilty civilians. The U.S. must seek other non-lethal methods in order to achieve the goals that serve no one other than themselves."

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 03:36 PM

Hamas use of the UNRWA as its public face is a war crime, but terrorists commit war crimes without a second thought. But the UN and the UNRWA are complicit in the war crime by allowing Hamas to go on exploiting the UN brand. It's unfortunately commonplace for humanitarian organizations in war zones to collaborate with terrorists and guerrillas in one form or another. But the UNRWA isn't just paying money to Hamas in exchange for being allowed to operate, the way that many groups in war zones do, it has allowed Hamas to turn its operations in Gaza into an extension of the terrorist group.

The UNRWA is Hamas

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 03:40 PM

Hamas could have chosen peace. Instead, it made Gaza suffer.

Even as Israel was completing the process of withdrawing all its settlers and soldiers from Gaza, Hamas carried out a bus-station bombing in Israel. Then, from late 2005 to early 2006, Hamas conducted multiple attacks on the very crossing points that allowed people and goods to move into and out of Gaza. For Hamas, it was more important to continue "resistance" than to allow Gazans to constructively test their new freedom — or to give Israelis a reason to think that withdrawal could work. Some argue that Israel withdrew but imposed a siege on Gaza. In reality, Hamas produced the siege. Israel's tight embargo on Gaza came only after ongoing Hamas attacks.

The Washington Post

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 04:56 PM

Ad Hominem attacks just make the schoolyard similes more appropriate.

Do take that point up with Bullshot & Boo, Robo, especially RE: the "anti-semite" & "Nazi" bullshit, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 08:00 PM

You should say take it up with the European Union Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC)now called the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA).

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 08:20 PM

No, Boo- don't try to lay your personal bullshit off on an external organization.

You're responsible for your own horseshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 08:38 PM

No Greggie - I'm applying their definition - you just don't like the way it looks on you.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 03:20 AM

"Hamas could have chosen peace. Instead, it made Gaza suffer.
On the other hand, they could have surrendered (ie chosen Israeli peace) and made the Palestinians continue to suffer in the rubble that Israel have reduced their homes to.
If there is to be any justice for this crime against humanity, the least that must happen is the blockade must be lifted, the Berlin Walls must be removed and the Nazi-like persecution ended.
This should take place under close U.N. supervision and done publicly to the world can see that Israel is adhering to U.N. imposed directives.
Real justice would ascertain that Israel should pay reparation for the massive damage they have done and those responsible should be but on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity, but as this latter is unlikely to happen, the first step is to allow the Palestinian people to some sort of human existence.
If Isreal will not agree to this, a worldwide boycott should be put into place until they do.
The U.N. was, rightfully, quick enough to call for a boycott on Russia after the downing of the plane; not to do so here following this massive act of inhumanity would call into question it's role as anything other than a talking-shop for politicians.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 06:53 AM

Sad headline from this morning's paper which sims it all up and has echoes from The Maccabees, to Wounded Knee, to Warsaw:
                                                       WE WERE DYING ANYWAY, WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO BUT FIGHT?/font>
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 07:42 AM

"....there are more demonstrations against Israel by an exponential amount than there are against Russia seizing part of Ukraine and shooting down a civilian airliner. So there's something else at work here than what you see on TV."

Hilary Clinton

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,hw
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 08:26 AM

Hillbillary is a war-mongering fool. Where's the proof that Russia had anything to do with that aircraft's demise. ? On social media ?
False flag.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 01:19 PM

Intentional rocket fire earlier today by Hamas causes the closure of Kerem Shalom crossing, through which humanitarian aid passes into Gaza. The barrage of rockets hit the crossing compound directly and It was decided not to endanger the workers at the site and to halt the transfer of goods until further notice.
Once again, Hamas prioritizes terror over the welfare of the people of Gaza.

Rocket attack forces closure of Israel-Gaza border crossing

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 06:48 PM

And the Jew haters and useful idiots are only too eager to eat it up.

"The images coming out of the Gaza Strip are heart-wrenching. They are also part of a deliberate and sophisticated distortion machine. A veteran journalist takes us inside."

Why Everything Reported from Gaza is Crazy Twisted

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 06:57 PM

But they really just mean the Israeli government.....right Greg?

A protest in Holland, that was approved by the Dutch government and meant to be a peaceful demonstration against Israel's Gaza operation and against the arrest of an Islamist operative, turned into a terrifying rally of hundreds of ISIS supporters.

The protesters marched in the streets of The Hague uninterrupted while waving the black ISIS flags, calling "Death to Jews" and shouting other slogans calling to murder and fight the West and specifically the United States.


ISIS protesters call 'Death to Jews' in The Hague

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 02:26 AM

The images coming out of Gaza are a minute picture of what is taking place there - they represent a tiny tip of a massive iceberg.
By and large they are censored for public consumption - the images of corpses and those injured and maimed are unbroadcastable, so we get quick snatches of patents being rushed into hospitals on trolleys, or covered corpses being lamented over by grieving survivors.
The vast areas of devastation that have been created are so vast that they cannot be photographed without arial equipment, so we are left with brief snapshots and words like "devastation" and "masses of rubble".
If you people who support this murder whinge about these images being presented, I will be fascinated to see your reaction when the overall picture is put up for public view and the full consequences are discussed.   
Your lot has supported this crime without question even before it began - some of you have been advocating that something like this should happen in your claims that Palestinians have no right to their homeland and should be prepared to move out at the behest of an aggressive state.
You describe practical opposition to Israeli terrorism as "terrorism" and verbal opposition as "Antisemitism".
In these discussions, none of you have attempted to rationally discuss a solution to the problems caused by a dying Empire, anxious to rid itself of a troublesome subject, having scratched together a solution that satisfied nobody, and pissing off hurriedly, leaving two opposing people to sort it out or themselves - any attempts to discuss it on this level are either ignored or aggressively sneered at.
You alone blame "the Jews" for for this State terrorism, nobody else here has; it is hardly surprising that the genuine Jew haters of this world are going to take up your offer and use what is happening as a platform in the same way as you have used "Antisemitism" as a substitute for rational argument.
I hope that we don't all have to enjoy the fruits of your endevours.
Carry on cut-'n-pasting Booboo, is seems to be all you are capable of.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 04:28 AM

I have proposed a solution.
Stop rocketing Israel and there would be no violence at all.
Agree not to import missiles into GAza or tunnel into Israel and the blockade would end.
Peace and prosperity would replace death and Destruction.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 04:42 AM

"Stop rocketing Israel and there would be no violence at all."
Depends on how you define violence
The forcible removal of people from their homes using chemical sprays, armed soldiers and police is violent
The prevention of fisherman going about their trade using military vessels is violent.
The act of preventing people going about their daily lives with military checkpoints is violent
The use of soldiers to facilitate evictions to make room for settlers is violent.
Over the last few weeks protesters have been killed and wounded by police and soldiers for opposing what is going on - violence.
Violence in one form or another has become a part of Palestinian life for several decades
How about proposing that all these things stop, the blockade ended and the walls removed - that will do for a start
What you are proposing is the Palestinians throw down their arms and come out with their hands up
That is not a solution - it is a surrender to a terrorist State.
"Peace and prosperity would replace death and Destruction."
Just like it was before "Arbeit Macht Frei"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 04:46 AM

All that would stop when the rockets stop

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 05:00 AM

Don't be stupid
"Israel calling - Israel calling"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 07:07 AM

I've donated....will you?

Emergency Food Aid for Gaza

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 08:20 AM

Jim, there was not always a blockade on Gaza.
It started because of Hamas attacks and would end if they stop.

Egypt and Jordan agreed to stop attacking Israel and have enjoyed peace ever since.

Hezbollah in Lebanon has been left alone since their rockets stopped.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 08:23 AM

Have done - do you think your Israeli friends will or will they think they've done enough for Gaza already?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 09:38 AM

Hamas executed dozens of diggers responsible for its extensive tunnel system in past weeks, fearing the workers would reveal the site locations to Israel, a report on the Mako website's army blog said.

After the tunnels were completed, dozens were reportedly executed to prevent intelligence leaks to Israel.

"Anyone they suspected might transfer information to Israel on the tunnels was killed by the military wing," a different source said. "They were very cruel."

In 2012, a Journal of Palestine Studies article claimed 160 Palestinian children were killed while working on Hamas's tunnel system.

Hamas said to have executed dozens of tunnel diggers

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:03 PM

"The same source also revealed that tunnel workers usually worked an 8-12 hour day, and were paid the equivalent of between $150-$300, monthly.

The majority of the tunnels were reportedly dug in civilian areas on purpose, to maximize Palestinian deaths during expected Israeli reprisals, and were often beneath homes, chicken coops and pens, around a mile from the Israeli border.

The Gazan source, speaking about the executions themselves. explained:

"They were very cruel. They annihilated some of the diggers because there was a rumor circulating that a few of them had worked with Israel or had been in touch with Israeli civilians. They feared that Israel would know the location of the tunnels and who was involved in their making."

From the Hamas perspective, locating the tunnel entrances in private homes, schools, and mosques could only lead to a win-win scenario.

If Israel couldn't locate the tunnels, then the terrorists could enter and leave Israel at will. However, if Israel discovered the tunnels, their destruction would result directly, or indirectly, in the deaths of civilians."