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BS: Why was this thread closed?

beardedbruce 06 May 13 - 12:22 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 06 May 13 - 12:55 PM
John MacKenzie 06 May 13 - 12:58 PM
beardedbruce 06 May 13 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,TIA 06 May 13 - 01:11 PM
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The Sandman 06 May 13 - 01:22 PM
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Subject: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 12:22 PM

re: Subject: RE: BS: Free Speech- Just say the right things.


It seems that whenever the liberals here show their true stripes the thread is conveniently closed so they will not look as bad as they post.

One has to wonder about posters and elves that

1. Attack the poster rather than discuss the thread topic

2. Refuse to acknowledge that any opinion they disagree with could actually be held by someone else.

3. Have no interest in freedom of speech issues unless THEY are being prevented from speaking whatever they want.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 13 - 12:55 PM

"The right things"

The right things seem to include a lot of threads, that I (if I was Mudcat dictator) would close or erase. Examples:

Militant atheism has become a religion
Is Obama a Fascist
PE stops you (whatever)
Obama's sequester = murder
Anything by Olliamh or Songwronger


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 13 - 12:58 PM

Well I for one, am pissing myself laughing. That a thread with Free Speech in the title has been closed.
Just about par for the course I reckon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:04 PM

And I, too, could come up with a list that "should" be closed- but many would disagree,

It seems fair game to attack the minority here. AND close threads that MIGHT end up with less than a Liberal "Victory".


I would agree to not allow ANY threads on political issues by Songwronger *IF* you agree to not allow any political thread by Bobert. Fair enough??


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:11 PM

False equivalence.
Not even close.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:15 PM

There are a lot of trolls and there is a lot of troll-like behavior going on when political threads are started just to start a new argument or keep an old one running. BeardedBruce, you're an expert at that. Are you surprised if occasionally some of the worst of them are closed? Really?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:18 PM

SRS,

YOU have stated that you are unwilling to even look at any site that does not apriori agree with what you want to believe.

You are an expert at attacking people, rather than discussing the topic.


Are you really surprised that I give your statements all the consideration they are worth- NONE?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:21 PM

One can practice free speech without being rude and offensive about it. According to my observations, it's the blatant rudeness that gets a post deleted, and sometimes gets the thread closed or removed.

Mudcat, especially in the BS threads, has become a much less attractive place these days--and the nastiness seems to be bleeding over into the music threads.

I know a few people, good folk musicians who have been around for awhile and have a lot of knowledge and experience to contribute, who no longer come around because the place has become too rude and hostile.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:22 PM

i have never met SRS, but i like her on line persona


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:24 PM

Guest TIA,

Why? Can you explain why someone who says "All liberals are X" is wrong, but someone who say "all conservatives are Y" is right, when BOTH statements are false?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:26 PM

Don Firth,

"One can practice free speech without being rude and offensive about it. According to my observations, it's the blatant rudeness that gets a post deleted, and sometimes gets the thread closed or removed."

So, when the liberals post insults on a thread, they remain posted, and NO_ONE criticizes, but if someone states that fact the thread is closed????


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:28 PM

Beardedbruce, your answer to SRS just above is a perfect example of what I am talking about. I know SRS, and she is a very intelligent and together person, and does not engage in the kind of behavior you are accusing her of.

If you wonder why posts are removed and threads closed, you might look at your own confrontational style.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: akenaton
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:32 PM

Well...I dont know why Songwronger upsets so many here, he comes up with a lot of interesting ideas...well worth discussing.

OK he seems to dislike Mr Obama...or what Mr Obama stands for, but most of you people hated Mr Bush with a passion I've read many worse insults about Mr Bush or Mrs palin, than anything Songwronger has said about Mr Obama.

I think there is something in what BB says, that insults are fine as long as we are insulting all things conservative.
I've been a socialist all my life, but that would never blind me to the many good things in social conservatism.

Maybe all the radicals and conservatives should leave and leave you all to talk about knitting or somesuch?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:33 PM

SRS "does not engage in the kind of behavior you are accusing her of."

I have to disagree with you- She has, and continues to do so. YOUR not being the target she has attacked does not mean that she does not do so- just that you either overlook or choose to ignore her attacks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: akenaton
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:36 PM

SRS is no angel, I've had some crackers from her when she is cornered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:40 PM

Don Firth,

If you read the thread I refer to in the OP you might have to think about the posters here that represent the liberal viewpoint- and perhaps be as willing to criticize their posts as you are to tell me that my posting straightforward news articles about topics some here would rather not consider is "confrontational"

When I am attack, I fight back- nothing more.

Talk to those who jump in and attack me FIRST before you talk about "perfect examples"


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:41 PM

"When I am attacked"


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:52 PM

"I have to disagree with you- She has, and continues to do so. YOUR not being the target she has attacked does not mean that she does not do so- just that you either overlook or choose to ignore her attacks."

YOU'RE

Tee hee


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:53 PM

if you do not mind me criticising it is criticise not criticize, English is the mother tongue stop bastardising it, criticize is an american corruption and is not the correct spelling


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:59 PM

Sorry, GSS- I am an American.

John,

Actually, should it not have been "YOU"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:02 PM

lol John MacKenzie, Bearded Bruce's 'Your' is correct in the context. I believe he was not saying 'You are not being the target...'.

Does anyone wonder at the state of the world when we have such a microcosm right here? We humans are a strange lot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: ranger1
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:15 PM

Why can't we all just play nice in the sandbox, people? I like most of you that I have met. I'm just sick and tired of all the sniping, nastiness, and horse manure being slung by everyone. I lurk more than I post these days, and this is why.

So, in case anyone missed what I was saying: CAN'T EVERYONE JUST FREAKING TRY TO GET ALONG FOR A CHANGE?!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Megan L
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:18 PM

"Oh were some power the gift tae gie us
Tae see oorsels as ithers see us
It wad frae mony a blunder free us
And foolish notion."


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:20 PM

ranger1,

When people play nice with me, I play nice with them.

When they kick sand in my face, I call them names that describe what they are acting like.

When they keep kicking sand, I have learned that the rest of you won't do anything about them, but complain about me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:28 PM

Bruce, you are confrontational. You post contentious material, and then express resentment when people contend. Accept that other folks don't share your right wing viewpoint, and try countering their argument with a reasoned response, even when they are unreasonable. It puts you in the driving seat!
Black and white are not the only colours, and there are more than 50 Shades of Grey ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:37 PM

John

Have you looked at the thread that was closed? Reasonable responses were tried, and the thread was still closed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:39 PM

Can't comment, read your first post, and didn't open it again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:40 PM

John... yup. There is a whole aisle of colours and shades at Shoppers Drugmart just fer hair. Even got stuff fer men! I was thinkin about gettin some a that there Grayshun Formula but I can't find anyone willin ta go halves with me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: ranger1
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:42 PM

Bruce, my remark was aimed at pretty much everyone, so don't get in a snit with me. Especially since I have defended you on at least one occasion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:44 PM

There are at least two things that the right do not understand. First their entire ethos is to enable the oppression of the disadvantaged by the advantaged. It is morally objectionable.

Second, they do not seem to know what the word "liberal" means.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:49 PM

"From: John MacKenzie - PM
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:28 PM

Bruce, you are confrontational. You post contentious material, and then express resentment when people contend. Accept that other folks don't share your right wing viewpoint, and try countering their argument with a reasoned response, even when they are unreasonable...


From: John MacKenzie - PM
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:39 PM

Can't comment, read your first post, and didn't open it again."





It looks like you DID comment, without reading the thread in question.



" then express resentment when people contend."

I express resentment WHEN I AM PERSONALLY ATTACKED, not when people contend with the topic of discussion.



If THIS is too contentious to discuss, we should just let SRS tell ALL of us what to think.

"The article entitled, "A President for Everyone, Except Black People," was published on April 14th and respectfully criticized the lack of African-American appointees in President Barack Obama 's cabinet and challenged the lack of policies specifically designed to reduce poverty. On April 15 and April 16, coincidentally the 50th Anniversary of Dr. King's "Letter from Birmingham Jail," Wilson contacted Johnson and encouraged him to resign as the speaker, a suggestion Johnson refused. Wilson then proposed that Johnson agree to be one of three speakers for the event. Johnson refused this offer as well on the grounds that it was a departure from the college's tradition of having one baccalaureate speaker, and all initial representations made to him. Accentuating the principle of free speech, Johnson said, "I have always been and continue to be a supporter of President Obama. The issue is not about the article in question, but about Morehouse's longstanding history and pedagogy of free thought and free speech. Without free thought and free speech, Morehouse would not have produced our most admired alumnus, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr."
"


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:55 PM

Ranger1,

I was stating what I have been posting.

When I try to get along, I am told to shut up, and I am attacked by several consistent stalkers, and see NO ONE ever asking THEM to stop.

The Elves have on several occasions interfered, ALWAYS to defend those attacking me, by removing my posts defending my statements, or by closing threads to prevent my replies.

The attacks ON me are NOT removed, and look as if I have never disputed what they say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 May 13 - 03:28 PM

Why was this thread closed?..Because Mudcat is primarily a left wing site, that caters to folk, bluegrass, and Traditional music....and if there is one thing that the left hates, is FACTS that don't support their political positions. When they run out of talking points, because talking points only cover the surface of topics, they resort to calling names and distractions, from being proved inaccurate.
As for me, you shove...I'll shove back...but at least I try to keep it satirical and facetious.....but alas, lefties don't seem to enjoy a healthy sense of humor......too much of their identity is laced around their (often faulty) political perspectives, which comes directly down from corporate media!....(then they criticize corporations...but promote their propaganda!)..go figure!


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 13 - 03:56 PM

Bullshit. This is the most "free speech" site on the nut. FULL stop. Anyone who says otherwise has the freedom to leave. Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:01 PM

Yes Bruce, and if you had never started a confrontational thread before, I might have opened it again, but you have form, my friend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:04 PM

So, you judge facts by who is showing them to you, rather than on their validity?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Megan L
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:29 PM

I remember someone once telling me "When I say it it is fact when you say it it is opinion unless you repeat what I say."


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:40 PM

Surely the proof of the fact is in the eating?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:59 PM

Does this say it all, or does this say it all?

gnu: "Bullshit. This is the most "free speech" site on the nut. FULL stop. Anyone who says otherwise has the freedom to leave. Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out."

In other words, this is a free speech site, anyone who doesn't agree what we think is free speech, should shut up and leave...after all this IS a free speech site!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 May 13 - 05:50 PM

As was stated clearly several years ago, when The Shambles was starting dozens of threads about English laws, and complaining about 'censorship' when some were closed, edited or combined:

"This is a private site in which a wide range of opinions and ways of expressing them are tolerated. It is NOT a place for unlimited name-calling and personal attacks. And no particular member gets to decide what counts as an over-the-line personal attack."

That paragraph could be expanded and nit-picked to death, and certain folk would STILL wish to define any criticism of **their** expressions and opinions as 'personal attacks'. It-dont-work-that-way.

There is a psychological mind-set known as "righteous indignation" in which a person decides that they are 'right', and thus anything they do, say or post in defense of that position is justified.... and they become experts at twisting and restating and ignoring the remarks of others to advance one agenda.

Now.. note that I made no reference to either side above. I do have my opinions, but I am trying not to provide any specific targets. Just DO stop & think and look at your own manner of posting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 May 13 - 05:55 PM

Obviously, Beardy, it was closed because the whole world is out to get you. Probably because you're Jewish.

I thought you knew that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 13 - 06:06 PM

GFS... Max will let you say anything. EXCEPT personal attacks... and posting inane trolling meant to cause nasty discussing which, WHEN it leads to nastiness, gets closed.

Been that way since inception.

And, yeah, please leave. I'll hold the door open for you if yer nasty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 06 May 13 - 06:18 PM

Bullshit. This is the most "free speech" site on the nut

Wonderful! You couldn't make it up...

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 May 13 - 06:26 PM

i do not care if you are american , please speak the ENGLISH language properly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 May 13 - 06:54 PM

?? What is this sudden concern for 'proper' English when even many in the UK don't agree on proper? We in the USA have have a dozen influences on our language in 300 years, and WE don't agree. It is not a crucial issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:12 PM

American English is primarily from England, as were many of the original settlers. But America has a fairly heavy admixture of French and Spanish, along with a whole stew of other languages brought here by immigrants from many countries.

English is a living language. Spellings, pronunciation, and rules of grammar are subject to variation—and growth.

The English language in England is a rich stew of languages from all over Europe and has changed a great deal over the centuries. Otherwise, you folks over there would all be speaking Anglo-Frisian.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Elmore
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:17 PM

GSS: Please capitalize "American" in the future.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:23 PM

OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY

"Criticize Also -ise." ......

G. S. Schweik obviously knows little about "proper" English and his comments should be edited before they are posted in a literate discussion site such as Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:25 PM

Actually, Max does allow personal attacks these days. I have been called a liar and a fool, but not by anyone whose opinion I respect.

It's hard to insult me because I am so forgiving and loveable.I am the epitome of the well balanced Liberal.
ROTFLMAO! (Proper spelling, Arse,)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:29 PM

"RONFLMAO!" Certainly not proper English. "....should be edited before they are posted....."

Today is my day to be nasty. Harumpfff!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:40 PM

It's hard to insult me because I am so forgiving and loveable.I am the epitome of the well balanced Liberal.

He's also one of the biggest liars in Maine (and off his meds again!).


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:44 PM

Go away or I shall taunt you a second time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:50 PM

Shan't. You can taunt me from the cellar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:52 PM

Be warned, I have made some friends down here. A Brown recluse, a few hornets and a black Spider the size of a Buick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:53 PM

And who do you think sent them down to the cellar?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 06 May 13 - 07:55 PM

Just remember, I always have the last word..."Yes, dear".


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 May 13 - 08:48 PM

There goes the thread... creeping into something almost sensible.. *grin*


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 May 13 - 09:45 PM

"Sensible" and very visual. Poor, poor Kendall- alone in a dank, dark, insect-infested cellar with just a straight back chair - if that - for his comfort, a single light bulb hanging on a cord from the ceiling and in the corner just one gunny sack for his bed.

How could you, Jacqui! How could you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 May 13 - 01:40 AM

This thread has taken a very scary turn.............    :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Megan L
Date: 07 May 13 - 02:30 AM

Ebbie don't believe a word of it last I heard he had Jacqui drag the lazy boy down there and put up a rack of fine malts. At least I am hoping the lazy boy she dragged down was a chair and not another resident.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:42 AM

Why am I reminded of Psycho?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: GUEST,musket sans sans
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:47 AM

What is the point of debate if everybody is too careful not to hurt the feelings of those who feel their points are valid yet others may find distasteful?

You can't educate pork...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:44 AM

ha ha, so are you now going to spell criticism, criticizm?         
Adding -er/-est | Adding -ing/-ed | Adding -ly | Adding -s
-ible or -able | -ie- or -ei- | English & American English
English and American English Spelling

Here are the principal differences in spelling between English and American English.
        English         American English

Final -l is always doubled after one vowel in stressed and unstressed syllables in English but usually only in stressed syllables in American English, for example:
        

rebel > rebelled
travel > travelled
        

rebel > rebelled
travel > traveled

Some words end in -tre in English and -ter in American English, for example:
        

centre
theatre
        

center
theater

Some words end in -ogue in English and -og in American English, for example:
        

analogue
catalogue
        

analog
catalog

Some words end in -our in English and -or in American English, for example:
        

colour
labour
        

color
labor

Some verbs end in -ize or -ise in English but only in -ize in American English, for example:
        

realise, realize
harmonise, harmonize
        

realize
harmonize
Common Differences
English         American English
all right         all right, alright (disputed)
analyse         analyze
centre         center
cheque         check
colour         color
counsellor         counselor
criticise, criticize         criticize
defence         defense
doughnut         donut
favour         favor
fibre         fiber
flavour         flavor
fulfil         fulfill
grey         gray
honour         honor
humour         humor
jewellery         jewellery, jewelry
judgement, judgment         judgment
kerb         curb
labour         labor
license, licence (verb)
licence (noun)         license (verb)
license (noun)
litre         liter
metre         meter
mould         mold
neighbour         neighbor
offence         offense
practise (verb)
practice (noun)         practice (verb)
practice (noun)
pretence         pretense
programme (plan, concert etc)
program (computer software)         program
program
pyjamas         pajamas
realise, realize         realize
savour         savor
speciality         specialty
theatre         theater
travelled
travelling         travelled, traveled
travelling, traveling
tyre         tire
valour         valor
why do you americans mess about with our language?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Will Fly
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:54 AM

why do you americans mess about with our language?

Hey Dick - just a thought for you......

It's not just "our language".

Got that?

The English language is one of the most hospitable, adaptable and changeable languages in the whole world - and that's why it morphs and alters itself wherever it flows. No harm in that - let the richness and the variation flourish.

Got that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 May 13 - 10:16 AM

Dick, when I was about 12-13 I went through therapy to compensate for dyslexia. One of the things the therapist did was to reinforce spelling rules. So this American got in the habit of adding the extra L in some words, like Travel -> Travelled. The spelling check always objects, but I ignore it. Perhaps she had English roots.

Will, the English language isn't just the most hospitable, adaptable and changeable languages in the whole world: English meets and appropriates the rich resources of other languages. It's a bit of a tyrant in that way!

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 07 May 13 - 10:48 AM

English meets and appropriates the rich resources of other languages. It's a bit of a tyrant in that way!

Still, we Irish got a little revenge by appropriating "crack" from them and selling it back to them as "craic"! ;.)>

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 May 13 - 12:41 PM

There is little point in arguing the finer points of the English language with the semi-literate (exampl- G. S. S.).
The English language, at its best in Oxbridge and debased by the common herd, with regard to word formation, has complex roots, but sensibly the Greek-Latin base is used in the Oxford English Dictionary rather than the derivative French.
G. S. S. would never understand, but I will briefly summarize the explanation given in The Oxford English Dictionary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 May 13 - 01:06 PM

Sorry for the interruption, but a visitor was at the door.

From the OED-
-ize (also written ise.
"Some have used the spelling -ise in English as in French for these words....and some prefer -ise for words formed in French or English, retaining -ize for those of Greek composition, but the suffix itself, whatever the element to which it is added, in its origin the Gk. ..., Latin -izare, and is in the pronunciation also is with z, there is no reason why in English the special French spelling should be followed, in opposition to that which is at once etymologic and phonetic. In this Dictionary the termination is uniformly written -ize.
Word groups
1. Words which have come down from Greek or based on Gk. elements...
baptize, cauterize, idolize,...
2. Words with sense of to make...
actualize, authorize, , fossilize,...
3. Words from later sources...
bastardize, womanize,...
4 Words from ethnic adjs.
Latinize, Anglicize,...
5.
Words from names of persons...
Bowdlerize, ...
6. Words from names of substances...
Carbonize, etc...."

Resorting to cliché, to continue my insults to the deserving, the above casts pearls before.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:12 PM

Does it REALLY matter if the spelling of words is different from one country to another? We all understand what those words mean, don't we?

I have made an effort, as an ex-pat, to speak and write in the manner of the country that I am in at any particular time. Here I started as a Brit and go with Brit spelling. When I'm writing anything for a totally American audience I try to make sure that I use the American spelling. In the same way I use different words for the same thing in either country.

As the Mudcat was originally an American website it is my opinion that it is rude of certain Brits to criticise the American spellings. Live with it. You are guests on the website of an amazing American who has made it possible for all of us to communicate across the world.

By the same token, the nastiness that goes on on some of these threads really pisses me off. Too much testosterone, I think. So you have different opinions. SO WHAT! Are you so unsure of yourselves that you have to take offence when someone doesn't agree with you? Name calling is, at the end of the day, a very childish thing and tends to suggest that you can't put forward a totally coherent point of view. As Kendall has said, profanity is the effort of a feeble mind. Why let others get you to that point? Step back and think whether you really want to make yourself look so ridiculous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:21 PM

I was born and raised on the west side of the Maine/New Brunswick border, and, although I am 100 % American, I am still apt to use a Canadian spelling without being aware of it.

The MAIN purpose of language is to communicate, not to bicker about whose spelling is right or wrong.
I think it's quaint when someone pronounces Lootenant with an F in the middle, or says Laboratory, or aluminium. As long as I know which is which, what the hell difference does it make?
Chaucer would be appalled at what you call English today, Thomas Jefferson would shit a well rope to hear our modern American English.

If you are so damn smart you should be able to come up with something worth debating.

It doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter that it doesn't matter! Or. in the Brit vernacular, it don't mean fuck all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:25 PM

Re that last comment - Kendall's responding well to the English lessons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:27 PM

Same here, Kendall. There are a few Canadian spellings that creep into my writing. Thomas Jefferson said "I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way." ;-D

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 07 May 13 - 03:43 PM

In Herring Chokese, K, "it don't mean fuck all." would be "it's two fifths of five eighths of fuck all." Precision, eh buddy?

BTW... I must say this drift minds me of the Eminem thread. Ahhhh, those were heady days. Glad to see the same spirit in this thread. I doff my Gray "Harrison Ford Hat" to you all. THAT is as formal a compliment as I pay.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Jeri
Date: 07 May 13 - 04:04 PM

You got no defense
It don't have to make sense
You're on the wrong side of the fence
When it comes to spellin'
You ain't no Magelln
You dug a hole and you fell in
Use your eyes and your brain
Not just criticize and complain
Cuz you don't know your ess from your zee
Well, it don't matter to me
Just take your .....out of your hand
If it's not spelled right, can you understand?
Or can you not get it in your head
Because that part of your brain is dead?
Or is it the season to look for some reason
To find something you can sieze on
A language not-see pees on
Piss off, go away
Come back some other day
When being a snot is not what drives you.

Somebody said Eminem, so I was free-stylin' a little.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 May 13 - 07:56 PM

Nice one Jeri.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:23 PM

I'm a good speller. I want to be consistent in following the English-English I'm steeped in. But I like American-English spelling more than English-English. It would be going too far to say it's more elegant (that's the preserve of the use of words, not of the way words are spelled), but it's more logical to my eyes. The danger comes in mixing up the two and looking foolish. Brits who glibly criticise American-English spelling as somehow inferior had better remember that the correct word is "aluminum". "Aluminium" is just plain wrong. Likewise, "licorice", the US spelling, has far greater claim to correctness than the English-English "liquorice", which is a semi-literate construction based on confusion over the word "liquor", which has nothing to do with it. So, next time you hear scorn heaped on American spelling, yanks, make sure you have both those in your armoury. Er, armory. Er, bugger it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 07 May 13 - 08:57 PM

JEEEERRRIIII! What have you bin wastin yer ass at gurrrl? That is one bad ass rap! I had Eminem in my brain when I read that to my brain "in rap" and it was pure! Uncut PURE! Word! Truth! Ya gotta decide on a stage name fer yer rap career. J Re?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 07 May 13 - 09:14 PM

BTW... before I am assailed for liking rap. I do not. I like SOME rap. If anything is poetic or has a message, I appreciate it whether on page or in performace by an artist. I PREFER actual songs in performance but I do not dismiss rap entirely without listening to it at all. Indeed, I was rather taken aback to hear "country rap" - I shit you not - on our local "country" radio station just last week. The "rap" made up half of the song. I liked it.

Then again, I go Gaga for The Cleverleys and Pink and Green Day and U2 and Kendall Morse and even good Bodhran solos. Hmmmm...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 May 13 - 11:05 PM

Jeri!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Make it hapn capn!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 08 May 13 - 06:40 AM

Gnu, you certainly have a broad range of musical taste!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 08 May 13 - 07:54 AM

Variety is spice eh? I didn't even mention Bach or... BANJO!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 08 May 13 - 03:30 PM

Ever notice that when spring comes, posts fall off and when summer is getting underway there are even fewer? Kinda heartwarming in a way. If my health was better, you wouldn't be reading such drivel from the likes of me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 May 13 - 04:24 PM

We have really everything in common with America nowadays, except, of course, language. —Oscar Wilde,


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 08 May 13 - 07:41 PM

Everything, including language, evolves. If it didn't, we would all be in a cave somewhere saying UGH at each other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 May 13 - 07:46 PM

Kendall, rap music is turning the clock back to the UGH days. And there is Bieber or whatever his name is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 08 May 13 - 08:29 PM

Q... no. It is allowing the music to progress. Rap, for the most part is crap. It will get sorted. Perhaps us old folk just have less patience with the bullshit side of things on accounta we don't have a lotta time left? Then again, who does?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 13 - 06:46 AM

Hmmm... what did he say?

I think he said that us old folks haven't got the time to listen to twenty rap "songs" to find one good one. Yeah, I think that's what he said.

Matter of fact, I would have simply dismissed Eminem as more of the same crap until I noticed he had a hit movie and won a Grammy as best rapper or whatever they call it. As well, I flick the radio around the dial (buttons? screen!) like a fly flits on the inside of a window and some of the rap on popular variety radion is good... it has to be to get air time. I like, at most, a few dozen rap tunes IF there is actual use of voice and instrumantation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:59 AM

Rap= monotony.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 May 13 - 12:44 PM

Poor man! I do believe gnu is going deaf.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 13 - 01:07 PM

"radion" Hahahaa. Good typo given what's on most of the time!

Monotony. I dare say you haven't heard any good rap songs. Right off the top of my head, Angel of the Morning... the original, the rap version by Shaggy and the the bluegrass cover of the rap version by The Cleverlys are ALL good. The bluegrass cover is my favourite... then again, I am biased as I am partial to awesome talent.

Q... eh?

Eh?
HE SAID YER DEAF!
Then how come I can hear him?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 May 13 - 01:20 PM

anyway we got rid of beared bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 May 13 - 01:31 PM

Hardly, GSS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 13 - 02:21 PM

NObody wanted to get rid of him. SOME thought his opinion was incorrect, should have been posted to one of the latest of many threads on the topic and that he and others are sadly misinformed or influenced by whatever may be the case.

I am given, in part, to see the thread drift as a form of protest in fine form. Certainly more polite than MY usual form of protest and far more enjoyable both for readers and for me. After all, ya knows da girls I goes wit, eh? When someone spews gobshit, dem lasses kin swear like yer bayman longlinin fuckall inna punt on rough wa'er inna snow in Febwary mont zir!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: kendall
Date: 09 May 13 - 07:53 PM

BB has good taste in music, and thats a plus here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 13 - 08:59 PM

Well, I taste it all and judge for myself and not for anyone else. There are none so deaf as those who will not listen. Errrr sommat like that.

gnightgnu


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Subject: RE: BS: Why was this thread closed?
From: ranger1
Date: 09 May 13 - 09:30 PM

Yeah, well, I like Bruce. He may exasperate me, but I like him. The jury is still out on you, GSS.


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