Dave Van Ronk & Utah Phillips

Subject: Dave Van Ronk & Utah Phillips
From: voyager
Date: 08 May 13 - 10:02 AM

Mudcat -

The final Dave Van Ronk concert (captured on Smithsonian CD) -
'And the Tin Pan Bended, and the Story Ended'

features a photo (pg 15) of Dave and Utah 'clowning around'. This begs
the question whether there was an song-swapping, political organizing, or other collaboration between the two artists.

I was at the final concert (Oct 22, 2011) & now must find the CD.

voyager

Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk & Utah Phillips
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 May 13 - 01:03 PM

The CD is readily available (from CAMSCO, as well as other lesser sources)

Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk & Utah Phillips
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 13 - 10:27 AM

I was once in a folk festival workshop with Dave and Utah so yes, they have swapped songs on at least that occasion and, I would guess, many more. They were certainly friends, maybe not close friends, but they knew each other and there seemed to be genuine affection between them.

As for political organizing, I doubt it. Dave was a Trotskyite and Utah was an IWW anarchist ("an anarchist is anyone who doesn't need a 'cop' to tell them what to do").

Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk & Utah Phillips
From: Mark Ross
Date: 09 May 13 - 10:39 AM

Dave was a member of the IWW at various times. Being a Trotskyite is no bar to membership in the IWW.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk & Utah Phillips
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 May 13 - 12:17 PM

DAve was a staunch libertarin who mellowed in later years to beome a Stalinist.

Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk & Utah Phillips
From: Mark Ross
Date: 10 May 13 - 07:51 PM

I really can't see Dave as a Stalinist. A Trot, yes, but a Stalinist?

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk & Utah Phillips
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 May 13 - 08:49 PM

That's what he told me.