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BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term

GUEST,Musket 20 Jan 14 - 03:04 PM
Don Firth 20 Jan 14 - 02:49 PM
GUEST,Musket 20 Jan 14 - 02:44 PM
Jack the Sailor 20 Jan 14 - 02:41 PM
Jack the Sailor 20 Jan 14 - 02:15 PM
Stringsinger 20 Jan 14 - 01:56 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jan 14 - 01:10 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jan 14 - 01:08 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jan 14 - 12:33 PM
GUEST,Musket 20 Jan 14 - 12:14 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jan 14 - 11:41 AM
Jack the Sailor 20 Jan 14 - 11:04 AM
GUEST,concerened 20 Jan 14 - 10:55 AM
Jack the Sailor 20 Jan 14 - 10:46 AM
Jack the Sailor 20 Jan 14 - 10:35 AM
GUEST,Shimrod 20 Jan 14 - 06:44 AM
Stu 20 Jan 14 - 04:27 AM
Stu 20 Jan 14 - 04:22 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jan 14 - 03:28 AM
GUEST,Musket 20 Jan 14 - 01:54 AM
Don Firth 19 Jan 14 - 08:47 PM
GUEST 19 Jan 14 - 08:36 PM
GUEST,Troubadour 19 Jan 14 - 08:27 PM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Jan 14 - 05:10 PM
akenaton 19 Jan 14 - 04:46 PM
Jack the Sailor 19 Jan 14 - 04:44 PM
GUEST,Musket 19 Jan 14 - 04:32 PM
Jack the Sailor 19 Jan 14 - 02:43 PM
GUEST,Musket 19 Jan 14 - 02:05 PM
Don Firth 19 Jan 14 - 01:51 PM
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Jack the Sailor 19 Jan 14 - 01:29 PM
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Jack the Sailor 19 Jan 14 - 12:38 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 03:04 PM

I reported the website for not deleting incitement to hatred, an offence where Akenaton lives. I doubt with the workload that it would get followed up, but you have to make a stand.

Goofus's awful attacks on you are beyond anything anyone should have to read. Sadly, our self appointed holier than thou merchant fails to notice, he just wants me thrown off for calling the shit Goofus.

They say there is one in every village Don. We have a commune of them here. Both sides of the pond.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 02:49 PM

One last but IMPORTANT note on this matter, then back to the original subject of this thread:

I presume that anyone and everyone here with an I.Q. over that of the average toenail fungus knows that Guest from InSanity is lying through his teeth about me. NONE of what he has written about me is true!

He should be aware that he is guilty of libel, by putting into print (and that includes in internet forums and blogs) defaming and untrue statements about another person. And that that person can then SUE them for libel and defamation of character.

Hiding behind a "Guest" designation or other pseudonym still does not keep one sufficiently anonymous that he or she cannot easily be found and called to account. Every time someone posts on a forum, they leave behind a record of their IP address—which is essentially the same as "caller ID" with a telephone. All a Mudelf would need to do is pull up any message that someone posted and there is the poster's IP address. And that poster can then be traced.

An attorney could subpoena the information if necessary, and find out WHO authored that post—name, address, all the information.

So, as I say, hiding behind a phony name doesn't mean one is really anonymous.

In the early Sixties, I had occasion to sue a music store owner who was bad-mouthing me as a guitar teacher, and I won the case. He was ordered by the court to cease and desist (shut his big mouth) and pay me several thousand dollars in damages.

So I am familiar with the procedure.

HAVE A CARE, Guest from InSanity. I can haul your ass into court!!

And I'm thinking seriously about it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 02:44 PM

I have never used ginger or paki you stupid fool. I write for a British audience, as irony and mockery of bigotry is generally seen for what it is in more sophisticated societies.

Streuth....

By the way, I doubt study of rules is a prerequisite to use a public website. Granted, you may not understand where the moderators are coming from if they edit or delete your posts but 99% of people here take that risk.

Whilst we are at it, if you were logical or rational, you too could apply to be a moderator.

I haven't read the rules. I have no intention of reading the rules. If Max wants half a debate in these threads that would be his affair, but from where I am sitting, challenging bigotry, homophobia, misogyny and crass stupidity is not on his shit list just yet. I hope it never is, but if it ever is, hopefully hatred will be barred at the same time.

Pissing on the carpet is one thing, but the likes of Goofus and the worm drop the odd shit on it for good measure.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 02:41 PM

>> If we accept the Constitution, then this should be true but it is also true that threads like this are started by people who want to trash those who are non-believers. My thread was posted in reaction to this.<<<

Stringsinger

This thread was started by you sir in fact this thread is a combination of two threads like this started by you.

Is it fair to say that you start threads like this to trash non-believers. Or would you rather just admit that your statement is in error?

Are you aware that the constitution only protects people from government interference in their speech? It would be a good thing for you to keep in mind.

>>I am increasingly amazed at the vitriol that people have who do not want to discuss their religious beliefs rationally. It should be no different than those wanting to discuss their political, musical or economic beliefs. There is nothing sacrosanct about a person's belief system that can't be discussed in a rational, civilized manner.<<

The vitriol on this forum about religion on this forum comes overwhelmingly from a few people who are not religious and there is no lack of uncivilized talk on each and all of the topics you mentioned. On the topic of religion I don't see much civilized discussion on your part. You tend to lecture, "discussion" implies balanced communication.   

>>I still maintain that there is a large percentage of religious people who take it upon themselves to deride or degrade non-belief because of their indoctrination.<<

No one has argued that. Though I might ask you to put some numbers behind "large percentage."

It has been argued that there are a few very vocal non-believers who take it upon themselves to deride or degrade belief because of their indoctrination or lack of it.

It has been argued that some non-believers act like evangelicals with a dogma of non-belief instead of Christianity. People have wondered if such people are among us.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 02:15 PM

>>>From: GUEST,Musket - PM
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 12:14 PM

Let's all sit cross legged at the feet of the noble self appointed arbiter of what people are allowed to say.

Let's all marvel as he puts words in people's keyboards and makes sweeping general observations of why you say what you do. <<<

These two things apply to you more than anyone on this forum. You arbitrate allowed opinions and punish offenders by calling them names.


You not only use "sweeping generalizations." You also use words like "ginger" and "paki" to refer to human beings. Of course if you understood, you would know that you are free to act like a bigot.

You are also free to try reverse psychology on me for saying that I am "predictable" when you know bloody well that I am simply doing what I said I would do.

It is like the puppy who pees on the floor saying it is "predictable" when he gets bashed on the nose with a newspaper. The puppy is right of course. But that doesn't mean that pissing all over this forum should be tolerated.

Which brings me to the point of this post and several others recently.

Click here to read the rules.

You will see the rules in all of their glory. You will a picture of the man who wrote them.

You will see that I can be what I want. I don't want to be a person who points out the rules to everyone. I do want to be a person who points out the rules to you! as long as you are breaking them. Again I ask you to practice your cathartic stress release somewhere other than here. If you want to point out bigotry or arbitrate other peoples words here, the rules Max wrote do not forbid that IF you do it kindly, politely and without trying to pick a fight.

However, if, in future, you are unkind, impolite, argumentative, or snooty, I will probably point it out. Not because it is just, or wise or fair, but because I am free to be what I want as long as I am not unkind, impolite, argumentative, snooty, or either FOR or AGAINST that of-what-we-do-not-speak. Reminding you of your own stubbornness and childishness is a lot more satisfying than being drawn into your silly arguments.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 01:56 PM

Joe,

"Nobody cares what you believe or don't" is unfortunately not true. If we accept the Constitution, then this should be true but it is also true that threads like this are started by people who want to trash those who are non-believers. My thread was posted in reaction to this.

I am increasingly amazed at the vitriol that people have who do not want to discuss their religious beliefs rationally. It should be no different than those wanting to discuss their political, musical or economic beliefs. There is nothing sacrosanct about a person's belief system that can't be discussed in a rational, civilized manner.

There is the problem that in most cases, religious beliefs tend not to be rational and this is borne out by the role of religion in politics, today and the fanaticism of those in the military industrial complex and the air force who are trying to Christianize the public.

Those who are annoyed by this discussion are generally those who may not be sincere in their belief systems. Otherwise they have the right to opt out and not respond.

I still maintain that there is a large percentage of religious people who take it upon themselves to deride or degrade non-belief because of their indoctrination.

I welcome a rational discussion on this topic and have thrown no crap at people who are religious personally but I think that religion has had a track record of violence, vitriol and superstition not to mention the obnoxious behavior of evangelism.

This is a worthy topic of conversation.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 01:10 PM

..and 400 posts for the clueless!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 01:08 PM

..Oh, I forgot, Iran/Contra, the 'Woman's Movement', the Keystone Pipeline, Benghazi, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, 'stimulus', the Fed, easy 'loans for the housing market, Freddie and Fannie Mae, 'Fast and Furious' programs, non-enforcement of the borders, immigration policies and the lack thereof,...and the list goes on....and I'm SURE that the list steps on the toes of anyone who hasn't seen through the lies and propaganda surrounding them ALL!

GfS

P.S...and I'm sure you can think of a few more...even your personal favorite 'sacred cows'...and it's ALL bullshit!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 12:33 PM

Let me re-phrase...Politics is the tactic of deceiving people, through propaganda, to build a consensus by getting people to abandon their common sense and go along with politically motivated crimes against humanity, regardless of political party!...hence, the Korean 'conflict'(they called it a 'police action'..but nobody got arrested), The Warren Report, Vietnam, The Golden Triangle, the oil deal with the Saudis, (buying our bonds in exchange for buying their oil, the pretending it was for 'environmental reasons', NAFTA, GATT, recreational abortions, GMO's, repealing Glass-Steagal, the Twin Towers, Iraq (twice), the 'war on terrorism, the 'war on drugs', 'war on poverty', the Patriot Act, 'jobs czar, shovel ready jobs, AIG bailout, solar energy subsidies to cronies, (all of which collapsed, but not before the kickback was payed), Citizens United, NDAA, Obamacare, NSA scandals, trying to re-define marriage, homosexuality based on 'genetics' and now 'Militant Atheism' as a move toward 'secularism', (among others) because they can't have 'God' around, if they want the STATE to be the sole supreme being!..all of them brought about by deception...all of them backfiring.....EXCEPT to the bankster/corporate/Military Industrial Complex....of whom your 'party leaders' are just shills, and pay homage, doing their bidding!!
Get a fucking clue!!!!!!!!!!

Politics employs, trying to discredit common sense and/or traditions that work, to replace it with the forced will of the Military Industrial Complex..regardless of party, because the bankster/corporate/Military Industrial Complex owns the both, and the media! .....and those who promote the deceptive delusions by means of propaganda, and call it 'truth' are just those who fell into their game.....and are too fucking stupid to flash that they've been deceived into being delusional babblers.

There!..That was simple!

I just hope they like good music..after all, Beethoven's music has outlasted several governmental changes in Austria-Germany....as did any good music.
(maybe people get into politics because they just couldn't get into good music......it requires 'Heart'!).

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 12:14 PM

Let's all sit cross legged at the feet of the noble self appointed arbiter of what people are allowed to say.

Let's all marvel as he puts words in people's keyboards and makes sweeping general observations of why you say what you do.

Swoon with admiration as he tells us all that Musket doesn't believe in God and that's why he points out stupidity.

Never question the noble Lord Jerk as he forgets the worm isn't superstitious either but Musket saves the most condemning comments for said worm.

Oy Jerk! Any chance of quoting the rules again? Just in case we didn't read the bleedin things the last time? Perhaps add the bits in your head but not on the website that says you can insult Don Firth, you can insult me , and Goofus can spew shit all day, whilst Keith A Hole of Hertford can shout liar! every time his idiotic takes on a subject fail scrutiny.

If you want to look a daft sod waving the rule book , you have to read posts like the real moderators do, not shout at those you disagree with and claim you don't read them when those you agree with fart their odious bile.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 11:41 AM

Cappy: "Please keep in mind that while many members of this forum do not believe in God, he is the only one going out of his way every to call you names."

Yes, as I've mentioned before, 'name-calling' is a common, but telling tactic of those who have no case, nor anything intelligent to contribute to the topic's discussion..so they resort to childish playground antics, to see if they can get like-minded nitwits to pile on...it gives them a 'feeling' of 'winning some sort of consensus, to their immature and erroneous position. They can't 'win it' on the merits of reason, logic or common sense!.............and then they can't understand it why the sane people don't take them seriously, OR why people DO NOT want to be like them or adopt their quasi point of view, when the end result is nasty attitude, argumentative immature name calling!!...Jeez!...This is what we are left to believe, as to bottom line of the top of their quest????..They figure the more hostile, rude and stupidity that they exhibit...the more their making their point.....problem is, they ARE making their point.....that they are moronic idiots with nothing to say!!

As to the reason that I came down on Don, is nothing more than the fact that he posted his desperately stupid little libelous 'footnote', when in my prior posts leading up to it, I was NOT personalizing my rhetorical questions to him!...but he had to step right into it...even though a couple of posters call on him to apologize. Knowing that he is incapable, I just fired back some TRUTH at him, illustrating what kind of selfish and self-serving character he is...and his 'points of view' are paved with misinformation and/or flagrant stupidity...THROUGH the YEARS....and he STILL doesn't fucking 'get it'!!
Now he's claiming that SHE 'initiated it'....and he was helplessly deceived by her......well I got news for ya', Dimples,...You seem to have an inclination THROUGH THE YEARS of being susceptible of being deceived...and then turning around and peddling more deception in arguing your 'points'.....and so it has evolved into how you approach politics!!...'In for a penny, in for a pound'.....and folks are, and should be wary of virtually ANYTHING that you apply YOUR limited understanding to, because maybe other people aren't so vulnerable to believe what you choose to believe....just to satisfy YOUR selfish need for ego gratification!!! ...whether it be to recklessly get laid, or promoting some bullshit 'so-called liberal' propaganda d'jour as you did with 'Obamacare' (latest example).
Bottom line, is you naively grab the disinformation, you have a track record of being fooled on serious matters, and then you insult those who don't subscribe to your nonsensical delusions....then he PM's people to come to his 'aide'....and causes them to be made fools out of!...but he don't care...as long as he thinks his latest bullshit is accepted by somebody..anybody....and the only ones he's able to conscript(who haven't given up on him), are jackasses!!....and they are the same jackasses, that display jackass behavior...WHOOOPPIEEE!
Next,you'll be buying them complimentary incense to burn at your autographed pictures of yourself that you'll send them for their birthdays!!!

Good grief, grow up, as opposed to growing into your second childhood, and take some sort of responsibility for being a chronic and terminal fuck up!
....but that's propaganda!!.....getting others to believe bullshit...and that's your life's mission!...that's politics!

OK..I'm done....Go bullshit each other and pat each others on the back, for at least not throwing up on each other!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 11:04 AM

>>>Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,concerened - PM
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 10:55 AM

Blah!! blah!!! blah!!!blabitty blah!!!...the same old judgmental, priggish, right wing crap from the biggest asshole on Mudcat with the smallest mind..

"You are allowed to express unpopular opinion. You are not allowed to be an argumentative, name calling jerk. " who gives you the right , phony?<<<

From the membership page.

"Be aware that our forum is Free.

Anonymity and Guest Posting are permitted.

You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative, snooty, or either FOR or AGAINST that of-what-we-do-not-speak. "

How many of those rules did your last post break?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 10:55 AM

Blah!! blah!!! blah!!!blabitty blah!!!...the same old judgmental, priggish, right wing crap from the biggest asshole on Mudcat with the smallest mind..

"You are allowed to express unpopular opinion. You are not allowed to be an argumentative, name calling jerk. " who gives you the right , phony?


It is you who are showing disrespect and ingratitude by ignoring a simple request by me to challenge my justifiable comments to you.


As I said if you can, I will leave this thread forever..but from your past record I guess I will have along wait?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 10:46 AM

"Well that's what people do who don't believe in God/Love. What did you expect?" I have to take issue on this.

There are plenty of good people on this forum who do not believe in God who do not insult people and have not taken it upon themselves to attack several people every day fighting "embers with flames" because they find it "cathartic."

Ian Mather does not do this because he does not believe in God.

Please keep in mind that while many members of this forum do not believe in God, he is the only one going out of his way every to call you names.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 10:35 AM

>>>
So if it's all the same to you, I shall deal with the trolls by name calling them. Not big, not smart but not a problem either considering the poor quality of the small shallow people trolling.

Goofus.
Worm
Keith A Hole of Hertford
Jerk the Sea Cadet. <<<


It is not all the same to me. It is not all the same to Max. You are showing disrespect and ingratitude by ignoring a simple request.

From the membership page.

"Be aware that our forum is Free.

Anonymity and Guest Posting are permitted.

You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative, snooty, or either FOR or AGAINST that of-what-we-do-not-speak. "

It is unkind, impolite argumentative and snooty for you to call people names and judge them. Its pretty simple and you have a choice. You are allowed to express unpopular opinion. You are not allowed to be an argumentative, name calling jerk.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 06:44 AM

"So if Dawkins has evidence to the contrary, by all means share it!"

No, pete, I'm suggesting that YOU read Prof. Dawkins' book. I'm sure that it will provide you with answers to all of your questions - but I'm not going to attempt to re-gurgitate it so that you can nit-pick my interpretation.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Stu
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 04:27 AM

"However the info in the genes only causes reproduction after its kind, and you have not demonstrated that it can depart from the limits of the variations in the organism, to become anything else……however many generations you throw at it."

Hmmm. I've just asked you to explain why incest is OK and now we're back to this old cobblers. This comment is just bloody minded ignorance; no offense, but it's crass stupidity to even type that, let alone actually believe it.

Best stick to explaining 'context'.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Stu
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 04:22 AM

"No, stu, it was not alright,   Context!"

I don't understand. Please tell my what this actually means. Does it mean in the context of the time incest was OK? Really? When did it become not OK, and who said so?

I don't have a clue about this, so unless someone tells me I'll remain ignorant.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 03:28 AM

Cappy: "Musket is losing the argument with me so he is trying to facilitate a fight between you and me.
You leave me alone so I leave you alone. On the other hand. Musket picks at a lot of people."

Well that's what people do who don't believe in God/Love. What did you expect?

Musky: "Musket is losing the argument with me so he is trying to facilitate a fight between you and me."

Well, better you than him, huh?....just ask him!..naw...better yet, read the posts!!

Firth: "...about a relationship I was involved in some 45 years ago and which I did not initiate."

Now you're claiming abuse?..and she raped you??....maybe you weren't there??....or is it that moral turpitude thing, again?

She 'forced you'?....then she didn't want you even around the child(according to you)...and it was ALL HER FAULT.....OK, sure..anything you say.......
(that's why he likes to see himself as a political activist, eh?)
..OK..defend 'Militant Atheism' run from Love....and politically be active..so YOU can tell people how to run their lives???......hmmmm..I got it now....

GfS

P.S...What else does anyone need to know about 'Militant Atheism' is propaganda??


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 01:54 AM

Any more?

Internet text isn't the best medium for facial expression of showing disdain for unacceptable propagation of hate and lies.

So if it's all the same to you, I shall deal with the trolls by name calling them. Not big, not smart but not a problem either considering the poor quality of the small shallow people trolling.

Goofus.
Worm
Keith A Hole of Hertford
Jerk the Sea Cadet.

I really am laughing my fucking head off at how they berate me for pointing out disgusting odious filth on these threads, normally propagated by themselves, and want me to apologise for pointing out their lack of humanity.

Keep it up. It's almost worth the distraction the odd minute or two in a day provides to log on and see what's coming next. Mind you, getting tediously predictable.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 08:47 PM

Thank you, Troubadour!

Like the wise and knowledgeable Galactic Hitchhiker, you know where your towel is.

It seems that, unfortunately, the same cannot be said of many. . . .

Don Firth (checking in from time to time)


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 08:36 PM

"If anyone shares the belief that I used to hold about the non-existence of trolls, you will find no finer example of the beast than Mr Mather (musket)."

He at least has the guts to post as himself, unlike the trolls identifying themselves as a Pharaoh and a fugitive from sanity.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 08:27 PM

"I agree Michael, that was a disgusting slur. If he has no evidence to support it, he should make an immediate apology to Sanity, who' recent post have been absolutely on the button regarding the issues under discussion."

It's a pity that you couldn't raise any interest in taking Goofball to task for his unwarranted and false characterisations of Don Firth over a perios of years.

Your bias is very clear, as is Goofball's.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 05:10 PM

preferring to print lame insulting jokes, reams of meaningless jargon, or nasty childish name calling,

You forgot to mention his use of blatant lying.
Lacking any argument, he just makes shit up.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 04:46 PM

I used to argue with gnu about trolls, I reckoned they were a figment of ones imagination, gnu said....no they do exist, they live and breathe and I think you(Ake) are a very proficient one!

Well gnu was wrong about me, because I actually care about the subject on which I write, whether it be politics, religious belief, or social issues. I do not say things for "effect", to cause trouble, or to close down discussion.

Gnu was right(and I apologise for disbelieving him), that trolls do live and breathe, and are a menace to serious discussion.
If anyone shares the belief that I used to hold about the non-existence of trolls, you will find no finer example of the beast than Mr Mather (musket). Study how he operates, how he provokes aggression, using personal attacks at every opportunity, notice he never addresses the issue directly, preferring to print lame insulting jokes, reams of meaningless jargon, or nasty childish name calling, surrounding himself with acolytes who have now shown the good sense to desert, him as his MO is slowly and surely exposed.

Perhaps the messianic Mr Mather (MMM), should join the group of stereotypes which he is so fond of presenting......"The Stereotypical Troll".......God bless 'im! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 04:44 PM

"Lies" like those guys are the ugliness on this website and not you. "Gratitude" or the lack therof you being too childish and selfish to read the rules Max posted and follow them.

Its not that complicated. Its not random at all.

"Goofus and the worm"

It also not hard to figure out that I am supporting no one. I am simply educating you. The problem is not that you calling them names specifically. It is that you think that name calling is allowed.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 04:32 PM

Gratitude? Lies? Rules?

Looks like I was right after all. You do type random words.

Nurse!

In the meantime, Goofus and the worm do their best to make Mudcat a rather ugly website. Keep supporting them you sanctimonious fraud. I wonder why you do?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 02:43 PM

" He might just ask himself why he feels compelled to write so much wordage on the subject."

My observation would be because other people keep bringing it up.


Speaking of trolling rude people,

>>Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket - PM
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 02:05 PM

Do you use random words and throw them together Jerk? <<

>>Goofus and the worm <<

Blatant disrespect for the rules of this forum which can be found by clicking on membership. Blatent disrespect for Max. Blatant ingratitude.

Blatant attempts to be argumentative.

A whole pile of blatant lies. But he is allowed to lie.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 02:05 PM

Do you use random words and throw them together Jerk?

Your description of me is rather cute really. You give me influence I rather think I don't have and attach a purpose to my posts.

How the hell do you manage to tie your own shoe laces? You are so up your own arse that you don't realise how stupid your attacks are. You say I have to be nice to Goofus and the worm and say that they have every right to spew homophobic hatred then say you never read what they put.

Try reading what they put. They should go into show business as a double act. Goofus says atheism is about destroying love. The worm says he is right, whilst claiming to he an atheist himself. Goofus says the most disgraceful personally insulting comments about another Mudcat member, but I'm in the wrong for calling it Goofus.

Hey? You reckon I'm following you around the threads? Notwithstanding that is either an exhibit of your own self importance or a sign of paranoia... I might start doing so if you keep up this level of entertainment. Class A material for my comedy set.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 01:51 PM

-M-, the remark could very well have been left out, but it's in answer to continued references on GfS's part to something I said, years ago in another thread, about a relationship I was involved in some 45 years ago and which I did not initiate. He put the sleaziest possible spin on it and he just won't let it go. He keeps bringing it up.

HE, ALSO, revealed something about himself that, undoubtedly, he regretted. I'm just reminding him that, should he keep up with the snarky references, I might just cut and re-post the post that he undoubtedly regrets HE made.

As to Ake's remark, occasionally I have reminded him that, according to articles in "Scientific American" and "Psychology Today," those who show as much incessant antipathy toward homosexuals as he does are, very frequently, fighting urges within themselves that scare the hell out of them. He might just ask himself why he feels compelled to write so much wordage on the subject.

Same goes for GfS.

In the meantime, I'm crawling out of this slime-pit and leaving it to Goofus and Ake. I have better, more important things to do than argue with these two.

Ta-bloody-ta!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 01:46 PM

No, stu, it was not alright,   Context!          Shimrod....yes shimrod I have heard that Christian teaching at one point got platonised, and fixity of species was a belief in Victorian times , I think.    That has nothing to do with modern creation teaching which saw variety in organisms before Darwin wrote about it. However the info in the genes only causes reproduction after its kind, and you have not demonstrated that it can depart from the limits of the variations in the organism, to become anything else......however many generations you throw at it.    So if Dawkins has evidence to the contrary, by all means share it!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 01:29 PM

All I'm saying is that I don't read your posts because they don't address me and the topics don't concern me. Musket is losing the argument with me so he is trying to facilitate a fight between you and me.

You leave me alone so I leave you alone. On the other hand. Musket picks at a lot of people.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 01:18 PM

Hey, I'm cool....so calm that I've stayed dead on target!

Regards, Ake!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 12:55 PM

Jacks right Sanity, keep calm, you've got it right, but you are allowing them to provoke you.
If you lose the head they can claim the argument, no matter nonsensical their stance may be.......Peace, man!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 12:46 PM

Cappy: "If you want other people to read what you write, you have to do do things, write in an intelligible manner and write about things which interest them."

Hey, one man's ceiling is another man's floor.
You want to keep on topic of things that interest them??...OK....

"Whoever does not LOVE does not know God, because GOD is LOVE." ~~1 John 4:8.

So according to that, 'Militant Atheism' is a paramilitary outfit designed to wipe out love.

Now just look at the posts from our resident militants!!

Any questions???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 12:38 PM

"Well if you had you would have gotten quite an education of where he comes from."

I don't see the utility in obtaining a degree in OPA (other people's arguments)

If you want other people to read what you write, you have to do do things, write in an intelligible manner and write about things which interest them. You can also reference them by nasty names (Musket is proof that that gets attention), but that makes them a lot less likely to take your thoughts seriously.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 11:54 AM

Cappy: "I don't generally read GfS's posts or Don Firth when he replies."

Well if you had you would have gotten quite an education of where he comes from.

Keeping within the topic, (which he is known for of NOT DOING), he ought to start his own thread...."How I disregarded my own child, abandoned him and the mother, and became an 'honorable' defender of 'Militant Atheism'"....

...and for anyone else....

"If I speak with the eloquence of men and of angels, but have no love, I become no more than blaring brass or crashing cymbal. If I have the gift of foretelling the future and hold in my mind not only all human KNOWLEDGE but the very secrets of God, and if I also have that absolute faith which can move mountains, but have no love, I amount to NOTHING at all. If I dispose of all that I possess, yes, even if I give my own body to be burned, but have no love, I achieve precisely NOTHING.

4 This love of which I speak is slow to lose patience—it looks for a way of being CONSTRUCTIVE. It is not possessive: it is neither anxious to IMPRESS nor does it cherish INFLATED IDEAS OF ITS OWN IMPORTANCE,

5-6 Love has good manners and does not pursue selfish advantage. It is not touchy. It does not keep account of evil or gloat over the wickedness of other people. On the contrary, it is GLAD WITH all GOOD men when TRUTH PREVAILS.

7-8a Love knows no limit to its endurance, no end to its trust, no fading of its hope; it can outlast anything. It is, in fact, the one thing that still stands when all else has fallen.
All gifts except love will be superseded one day

8b-10 For if there are prophecies they will be fulfilled and done with, if there are "tongues" the need for them will disappear, if there is KNOWLEDGE IT WILL BE SWALLOWED UP IN TRUTH. For our KNOWLEDGE IS ALWAYS INCOMPLETE and our prophecy is always incomplete, and when the complete comes, that is the end of the incomplete.

11 When I was a little CHILD I TALKED and FELT and THOUGHT like a LITTLE CHILD. Now that I am a man my childish speech and feeling and thought have no further significance for me.

12 At present we are men looking at puzzling reflections in a mirror. The time will come when we shall see reality whole and face to face! At present all I know is a little fraction of the truth, but the time will come when I shall know it as fully as God now knows me!

13 In this life we have three great lasting qualities—faith, hope and love. But the greatest of them is LOVE."

1 Corinthians 13,~~J.B. Phillips

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 11:17 AM

>>Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket - PM
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 02:59 AM

Where's your defence of creepy slime balls now Jerk?<<<

Let me point out that calling people "creepy slime balls" and "jerk"
is an obvious violation of this very clear instruction.

"You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative, snooty, or either FOR or AGAINST that of-what-we-do-not-speak."

I don't generally read GfS's posts or Don Firth when he replies. I would not know they are insulting each other if you were not pointing it out. You on the other hand follow me around calling ME names and and trying to start your little bickerfests with ME. As per the rules, written by Ma, I am free to be anything I want except for the items listed. What I am free not be is your attack monkey. If you think that some third party ought to be reminded of the rules, you are free to do it yourself.

You can call me out for things I am not doing all you want. But obviously and ironically the standards you are applying are fictitious and exist only in your apparently muddled mind. Do yourself a favor. Do us all a favor. Go to the membership page and learn the rules.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 11:08 AM

Firth: "Not everyone is a slavering, lust-driven animal such as you!"

Spoken like a 'true man'....
Hey, one of the differences between you and I is I'm the one, who raised the kids I fathered....and YOU'RE the one who used the woman you impregnated as a substitution for your hand and Vaseline...then walked away....and let me clue you in, because YOU have no clue, or experience to draw from....raising my children was a joy, challenge and pleasure that outlasted the fuck itself!

As for your other slur..not everyone shares, or are entertained by your fantasies. You are a disgusting, pathetic near human being.

An apology is not needed from the likes of you.....I saw a massive dog turd out on the lawn the other day...it wasn't apologizing for being there, either!

Now, you're attempting to divert the thread again, as either your 'so-called liberal' tactics have instructed you zombies to do, or you're just chronically locked into rude behavior...whatever the case, the topic of the thread, IS the discussion at hand.....stick to it.

......as soon as you wipe that other stuff off!


GfS

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Stu
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 10:07 AM

" And the lot incest thing….that was father and daughters."

Ah, that's all right then.

:-/


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 06:50 AM

I agree Michael, that was a disgusting slur. If he has no evidence to support it, he should make an immediate apology to Sanity, who' recent post have been absolutely on the button regarding the issues under discussion.

Don has an unfortunate history of making such remarks, especially to me, regarding his opinion of my sexual orientation....a subject, of which he has absolutely no knowledge.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 05:48 AM

Don: Could no way make out the point or purpose of your throwaway footnote about "hunger for little boys". Struck me as a most unfortunate interpolation in about every possible way one could think of. Would you be so good as to clarify what you meant by it, please?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 05:39 AM

Spurred on by 'pete-from-seven-stars-link's' fatuous assertion that there is no evidence for evolution, I am currently reading Richard Dawkins' book, 'The Greatest Show on Earth: the evidence for evolution' (I challenge you to read it to, pete. It'll make a change from all those red-neck websites you read!). Anyway, at the beginning of the book, Dawkins points out that, until recently, much Western - particularly Christian - thinking has been heavily influenced by Plato's concept of idealised forms. Hence, according to that philosophy, mice, rabbits, cockatoos, hamsters etc. exist as idealised, unchanging forms (bet you didn't know that you'd been brainwashed by an ancient, PAGAN Greek, did you, pete?). Modern science, on the other hand, thinks in terms of populations of species - which contain considerable variation clustered around the mean. Over long periods of time, certain parts of the population are naturally selected over others and move away from the mean - gradually changing into other species (Dawkins expresses it better than I can - read the book).
This is, of course, a statistical concept - and as someone who routinely applied statistical ideas in his daily work, I can understand its power.

I suspect that some of the recent contributors to this thread are also Platonists. They believe that human sexual behaviour also exists in idealised forms and departures from those forms are to be deplored. Nevertheless, in the ideal, non-Platonic, real world, human sexual behaviour is as variable as anything else. If the human species is to progress, we need to dump Platonism and learn to embrace and tolerate variation.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 02:59 AM

Where's your defence of creepy slime balls now Jerk?

Or is it just me you like to shout at?

Pathetic


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 01:39 AM

A point you obviously missed, Goofball, perhaps due to your slipshod reading abilities. I said that the young woman who did not want to get married, but wanted a child, became pregnant thru "IN-VITRO FERTILIZATION."

But I used the wrong term. She became pregnant though artificial insemination, done at a fertility clinic. NOT through direct sexual intercourse.

She was NOT--and IS not--"sleeping around."

If you don't know what either in-vitro fertilization or artificial insemination are, look them up!

Not everyone is a slavering, lust-driven animal such as you!

Don Firth

P. S.   Or are you trying to compensate for your secret hunger for little boys?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jan 14 - 01:09 AM

Jaysus, Goofus, you don't understand ANYTHING about people!!! The women I'm talking about do NOT "sleep around!"

But then, you can't even conceive of such. Whores and satyrs are all that populate the slimy world in your so-called "mind."

But others here, I'm sure, DO understand.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 10:36 PM

Oh..I forgot one...

Firth: "They don't want to marry anyone, but they do want a child. And they cope very nicely, thank you!"

Cope???? ...That's the best they can do...'cope'???

Sorta sounds like the people you are imagining don't look forward to much in the way of a fulfilled life......

What do you have against original nuclear families???...is it you just can't imagine what it takes to have one...so you wish everybody else has a walk-a-way loophole???
That sucks!
Sure hate to be the child of that kind of parent!!!!!!!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 10:22 PM

Well, it sounds like things went bad with her first husband(?), sperm donor, or one night stand...but obviously she had a bad experience with men.
Betcha dollars to doughnuts, she would have much rather had one good ol' man who really loved her, and the baby, than to go through all she went through.....
I think it far better to RAISE people's awareness for equality, rather than to make everybody an emotional and/or moral cripple equally.
Certain political agendas have made it all to easy, to keep people stupid, and/or giving up to reach a higher level...don't you?..if you don't like your spouse for some petty reason, just walk away....IS DUMB! It is detrimental to children, as it is with the adults, as well.

Check this out....Firth: "They don't want to marry anyone, but they do want a child. And they cope very nicely, thank you!"

"They don't want to marry anyone.." as in, anymore than the few ones to start off with??....or, she's tired of 'shopping'....or is she an bitch who attracts good guys and runs them off.and blames them??

I think you're being the simplistic one here.

Families are better off by having a loving family structure IN TACT...not some 'socially acceptable' broken home, with a lot of other blind excuses...
There's an expression...."Women who praise divorce, probably made a lot of other excuses, too!"

You seem to readily excuse marriages on a 'trial basis'....when is the audition over and the loving unity in a commitment going to wrap the child in it's security??

Less is a rip-off!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 02:41 PM

GfS, you have a very simple-minded idea of what life is all about.

Many people—most, actually—are mixed bags, with both good and bad ideas. Planned Parenthood was a good idea. Eugenics and racism are atrocious ideas. Liberals acknowledge Margaret Sanger for Planned Parenthood, but deplore many of her other ideas. In NO WAY is she some kind of "Liberal hero!"

As to your simplistic ideas about single women raising children, there ARE women who WANT it that way. They don't want to marry anyone, but they do want a child. And they cope very nicely, thank you!

I know one young woman who didn't want to marry, but did want a child. She tried In-Vitro Fertilization and carried to term, but the baby died within a couple of hours after it was born.   Not wanting to go through that experience again, she adopted a little girl from a Chinese orphanage (because of China's "one child" policy, girl babies are a dime a dozen, and life in a Chinese orphanage is no bed of roses!). The girl is in her teens now, and is thriving. She plays the violin. Not only can she play a mean Bluegrass fiddle, she loves classical music, her mother is paying for her lessons, and she is currently playing in her high school orchestra.

Mother and daughter are not wealthy, but they're happy and doing quite well, thank you!

There are a number of women out there who don't want to marry anyone, but want to have and raise a child. It occasionally happens that they seek out the "services" of a male friend—shopping around and choosing the man on the basis of his intelligence, general health, and other genetic factors that they find desirable and want their child to have. And in such cases, often to the male friend's surprise, the woman "propositions" the man.

Just because it's unconventional or offends someone's delicate sensibilities in matters of what they consider "proper behavior," it does not mean that it is wrong or "immoral."

Same with same-sex relationships.

Try to widen your focus, GfS.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 02:35 PM

"And the lot incest thing....that was father and daughters."

Daughters raping the father, maybe the creepiest scene in all of literature. Maybe Lot knew what he was doing offering them to the Sodomites.


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