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BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term

Jack the Sailor 16 Jan 14 - 09:24 AM
GUEST,Musket 16 Jan 14 - 09:01 AM
akenaton 16 Jan 14 - 08:48 AM
GUEST,Musket 16 Jan 14 - 08:33 AM
akenaton 16 Jan 14 - 08:24 AM
Dave the Gnome 16 Jan 14 - 08:13 AM
akenaton 16 Jan 14 - 07:47 AM
akenaton 16 Jan 14 - 07:15 AM
Stu 16 Jan 14 - 06:56 AM
GUEST,Musket 16 Jan 14 - 05:02 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Jan 14 - 04:50 AM
GUEST,Musket 16 Jan 14 - 04:26 AM
akenaton 16 Jan 14 - 04:00 AM
GUEST,Musket 16 Jan 14 - 01:26 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 Jan 14 - 10:54 PM
Jack the Sailor 15 Jan 14 - 05:00 PM
Jack the Sailor 15 Jan 14 - 04:51 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 Jan 14 - 02:38 PM
akenaton 15 Jan 14 - 02:07 PM
GUEST,the troll formally known as the troll concer 15 Jan 14 - 02:06 PM
akenaton 15 Jan 14 - 01:53 PM
akenaton 15 Jan 14 - 01:43 PM
GUEST,Musket 15 Jan 14 - 01:38 PM
Jack the Sailor 15 Jan 14 - 01:20 PM
GUEST,Musket 15 Jan 14 - 12:50 PM
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Jack the Sailor 15 Jan 14 - 10:09 AM
Jack the Sailor 15 Jan 14 - 09:59 AM
Jack the Sailor 15 Jan 14 - 09:51 AM
akenaton 15 Jan 14 - 09:37 AM
Stu 15 Jan 14 - 09:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 15 Jan 14 - 09:33 AM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Jan 14 - 09:18 AM
GUEST,Musket 15 Jan 14 - 08:51 AM
akenaton 15 Jan 14 - 08:11 AM
akenaton 15 Jan 14 - 08:02 AM
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GUEST,Musket 15 Jan 14 - 06:36 AM
GUEST,Shimrod 15 Jan 14 - 03:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 09:24 AM

>>>
Mustblab: "What have reproductive organs got to do with marriage?"

'Just a spoonful of 'sugar' makes the medicine go down..medicine go down..Oh medicine go down..

Mustblab: "What have reproductive organs got to do with marriage?"

Yeah, there's a lot of people committing legal adultery, because they had no reproductive organs...only toys.

Mustblab: "What about gay couples who adopt? Gay women who undergo IVF from a donor?

Right!...In our brave new IVF world you can buy a kid for $19.95...and if you act now, as a special TV offer, we'll throw in a second pair for free... you pay only shipping and handling.

Mustblab: "Fodder for wannabe activists? I take it you are a wannabe woman shagger activist then?"

<<<

The use of "Mustblab" is unkind, though some might argue that it is a proportional response to "Goofus." You know fighting embers with embers.. I'll won't risk the dilemma of Joe and the limerick by saying whether or not I enjoyed it in spite of myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 09:01 AM

Crossed posts. I did say I am not acknowledging the troll interested in the awful greyhound business.

My post was about your unsavoury views on gay lifestyle you posted a few up, or all the bloody time actually, but that's another story.

I was also showing my dismay of Goofus thinking sex is some thing to do with marriage and marriage is something to do with procreation. Your nodding in agreement with him isn't a sign of anything other than your predictability. Possibly don't even know what it is, except it is aimed at me. Your automatic assumption I was your greyhound stalker was bad enough....

Don't call him my friend. The accusation was appalling if he has no proof. If he has, then he should take it to the police,not Mudcat.

Your character doesn't need slurring, trust me.......


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 08:48 AM

Ian, there is no point responding to your latest post, it is in comprehensible.
Watch the speed limit!!!

Guest (SC) If you are try to insinuate any ill treatment of grey hounds by me.....please be specific. I don't understand why you would attempt to link me to actions which took place hundreds of miles away.

My racing dogs are now at Sittingbourne, Romford and Wimbledon, but they have only been in England a few months?
Are you one of the anti greyhound racing people? I f so I will open a new thread, I would be interested to discuss the issue with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 08:33 AM

Bloody hell, I reckon Akenhateon isn't in the same league as Goofus. His use of big words might look impressive to some fools. Poor Akenhateon can only repeat drivel and make simple childish conclusions, so long as they support his hatred of gay people.

Goofus brings homophobia to a new level. I don't know if I am complimenting the turd or not there?

By the way, Akenhateon, you still owe me an apology for assuming I was the bloke living in a cemetery. I find it best not to feed trolls. As I said, I take your word that you were not involved in the awful events.

So, let's take stock. Two loving caring married people make love in bed, turn the light out and go to sleep. They happen to both be men.

Eight blokes, wearing gimp masks, three women covered in oil and studs in their nipples and a sheep have a sex session. The sheep was female and no willy inadvertently ended up stuck up the bottom of another bloke. One of the women falls pregnant.

Just trying to ascertain which is normal, which is debased. We can take consent for granted in all aspects other than the sheep, who isn't covered under The Mental Capacity Act 2005, but for the purpose of this exercise, let's assume she was up for it. I'm a Derbyshire lad, I can tell when no means no and when it means maybe.

Some here reckon I take the piss. I reckon I just point out where others do. Desperate bigotry requires desperate justification eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 08:24 AM

My final word on this matter.
I have just googled "Seaham Cemetery", and found what you and your friend were referring to. A man who ran a "business" disposing of unwanted dogs, chiefly greyhounds, but also strays and injured dogs brought to him by the police. The man stated that the RSPCA knew of his "business"
The article states that this person disposed of "up to" 10 000 dogs in a ten year period, from the 1990's.

All racing dogs are now chipped and no respectable vet will kill a healthy dog.....the rules in greyhound racing are very strict. All retired dogs must be rehomed.

None of this has anything to do with me, as I live and race hundreds of miles from Seaham, under GBGB rules.
I can only imagine that the "troll" has read this article and has attempted to link me to it, to undermine my arguments or credibility on this forum.


Hope this puts your mind at rest regarding my character Ian, wouldn't like you to think I walk around leaving a trail of slime behind me? :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 08:13 AM

I repeat what Keith said,...."so anything is permissible so long as we do it?"

No, no and a big number no. Have you read my reply to that comment and Muskets response to that? Nothing that forces another person into doing something they do not want or have not agreed to should be permissible. Anything happening between consenting adults should be considered their business and no-one else's.

Why class homosexual activity along with pedophilia, bestiality and a host of other unsavoury activities when it is blatantly obvious that they are as different as chalk and cheese. Unless it is to make people believe that consensual sex between adults is also unsavoury?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 07:47 AM

Ian you have twice mentioned the "troll", I take it you mean Guest (Seaham cemetery)...I have no idea what this person is implying,I know nothing about Seaham cemetery.

In all the years that I have kept greyhounds, I have had a few which required to be put to sleep, either through old age(pets after their racing career, ), through very serious injury(I have nursed dogs with moderate injuries like hock or muscle tares, back to health), or cancer, which is common in the breed.

All work was done by the registered vet at my local track, a long established and respected business of over 50 years.
All this can be verified if required.
If this person(the troll) or you, are trying to implicate me in any kind of cruelty to greyhounds, you better be very careful what you say on these pages.....the greyhound community take a dim view of those who falsely stir up aggression against one of their number.

If you know anything about this person, please advise him/her on what I have written.

I have no intention of addressing the matter further, unless the person makes him/her self known to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 07:15 AM

Stu, no matter what we USE sexual intercourse FOR, nature gave us reproductive organs to ensure the survival of the species by reproduction.
Nature made sexual intercourse pleasurable, not so it could be used to sell perfume, mens mags, or fast cars, but to ensure that we reproduce as often as possible

Even if you view sexual intercourse as simply a vehicle for sexual pleasure, the norm is still heterosexuality and a huge majority of humans are repulsed by any same sex behaviour.

The definition is "deviation from the norm".

I repeat what Keith said,...."so anything is permissible so long as we do it?"


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Stu
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 06:56 AM

"Stu, I don't mean to sound dismissive, but your last post comes over as a sort of excuse?
The norm in sexual behaviour is heterosexual, only a very small section of society practice homosexuality, therefore they can be said to "deviate from the norm"….perverse, as defined in my dictionary."


"Normal variation'????....not according to the reason for REPRODUCTIVE organs....
You might consider that your(and others) version of 'Normal Variation' would be a self-indulgence...
So explain (or don't) how homosexuality is a normal activity for reproduction.

Stu: "The idea homosexuality is a "perversion" is a cultural trope and has no basis of fact in behavioural studies, biology or any other science for that matter."

Stu's preceding comment is based solely on political opinion, and NOT on fact, by any biological definition, and therefore FALSE….but it makes for happy fodder for wannabe activists…but still FALSE!!""


You seem to labouring under the concept that sexual activity is purely reproductive and has no other function beyond reproduction, but this is wrong and biologists have moved away from this hypothesis many years ago. Sexual selection drives many evolutionary and biological processes and to single out same-sex interaction as being not normal is simply incorrect.

Sexual behaviour plays other roles within animal societies (including human) including the bonding of individuals within same-sex groups (lions, some cetaceans) and in Bonobos, our closest living relatives on the planet, same-sex interaction is an intrinsic part of how the structures of their society are established and reinforced. In this context, human and other primate (and mammal) same-sex relationships are utterly explicable biologically and are totally normal, regardless of whatever interpretation any of us put on it.

My 'political' opinion (my opinions on homosexuality are not 'political') is irrelevant; the fact is same sex interactions provide a valuable biological function, and that isn't going to change because anyone thinks it's 'perverse'. We all interpret this according to our own particular cultural viewpoint, which is subjective and as far as biological and behavioural science is concerned, meaningless.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 05:02 AM

I asked a short while ago for a definition of bigotry.

I never thought it would come from Goofus......

Go on, I shouldn't but I'm curious. What is legal adultery?

Ignoring all the other howlers you have mumbled, that's the one I am most intrigued about.

Notwithstanding your odd view of IVF and adoption.....


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 04:50 AM

I couldn't help but chuckle a few times while reading that, and mused to myself, "Said like a true devotee of 'Militant Atheism' chanting the self-hypnotic mantra, from the 'Talking Point' propaganda script!

Here..I'll give you a couple of 'thoughts'...

Mustblab: "What have reproductive organs got to do with marriage?"

'Just a spoonful of 'sugar' makes the medicine go down..medicine go down..Oh medicine go down..

Mustblab: "What have reproductive organs got to do with marriage?"

Yeah, there's a lot of people committing legal adultery, because they had no reproductive organs...only toys.

Mustblab: "What about gay couples who adopt? Gay women who undergo IVF from a donor?

Right!...In our brave new IVF world you can buy a kid for $19.95...and if you act now, as a special TV offer, we'll throw in a second pair for free... you pay only shipping and handling.

Mustblab: "Fodder for wannabe activists? I take it you are a wannabe woman shagger activist then?"

Naw...I'm a musician...I'm not with the 'party' I'm with the band!


Now, here's something for YOU to consider...and telling if you could get an homosexual to be honest with you, and not tell you what you 'want to hear, so you'll back away....because you're getting too close.....
"Do you really think you are/were not worth passing on your life and being, to your own child?.............................. Why?..................."

And if you hear, "I just never wanted to...." then he's being leery of you. If you got him to open up to you, it may alter your given political adamant, 'reasoning'.

Ironic, as well, with heteros....You hear, "Hi Honey!.....I just got back from the Doctor's...and guess what?!?!!"

..and the guy gets a 'start', in his heart....('oh noooo')"..Uh,..umm What?"

"I'm pregnant!..We're going to have a baby!!"

..and the guy's mood sinks...but being careful he says, "Are you sure??"



...but then some people are worth it, Ol' Chap!!..ya' just gotta put your heart into it!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 04:26 AM

Interesting...

I have been ignoring your pet troll. If I thought you were what your troll infers, I doubt I would be replying, acknowledging your presence or touching a thread you were on. Your homophobia is to be challenged, but if you were as this person says, then you would be ignored.

Tell you what, I say you are accusing me of being someone else, and you reply by apologising.

I won't lower either of us by asking if they are correct. I know of the Seaham findings, I also know some Scottish trainers were involved. I know due to newsletters from greyhound rescue charities I support. You know of course that I take ex racers as pets.

Don't make a mental leap. Your obsession with making me look bad has crossed a line there. I have not acknowledged your troll, so try to respect that.

Please.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 04:00 AM

Watch it Ian my friend, you're slipping back into childish behaviour, but don't worry i'll try to guide you, just concentrate and keep your eye on the road.
You'll soon get the hang of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 01:26 AM

Well let's start.

The bit beginning with G and ending in oofus. Not much right with that for starters.

What have reproductive organs got to do with marriage? Those who marry and then have children, or those who marry and don't have children. They are all married. Are you saying infertile people should be barred then ? What about gay couples who adopt ? Gay women who undergo IVF from a donor?

You know, I really must do as Jerk says and stop taking the piss out of Goofus's gormless outbursts. After all, when you read what he actually says, it isn't very nice at all... Fodder for wannabe activists? I take it you are a wannabe woman shagger activist then?

Fucking creep.



Add that to your list Jerk. I notice you are politely questioning the stance of our resident queer bashers. Given time, you will be dismissing them rather than engaging with them yourself. Has the penny dropped yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 10:54 PM

Jack the Sailor: "I think that GfS was dead wrong in a couple of points.."

Yeah?..Where??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 05:00 PM

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 02:38 PM

Ian Mathers

For an excellent example of how to conduct yourself on this forum in an energetic matter, without braking the rules, please read the post referred to above.

GfS was not unkind or impolite or and of those things but he did say clearly what he thought was wrong with Stu's opinion.

I think that GfS was dead wrong in a couple of points, but he was gentleman enough and grateful enough to honor Max's request.

It's really not that difficult.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 04:51 PM

>>> Jerk this is getting godamme tedious,..you are are a prick of the first order <<<

Breaks all of the rules except for being for or against what shall not be talked about.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 02:38 PM

Stu: "Homosexuality is a normal variation of sexual behaviour and certainly not a perversion. As I mentioned on another thread this is widely studied and very well understood.
The idea homosexuality is a "perversion" is a cultural trope and has no basis of fact in behavioural studies, biology or any other science for that matter."

Homosexuality is a normal variation of sexual behaviour.......

'Normal variation'????....not according to the reason for REPRODUCTIVE organs....
You might consider that your(and others) version of 'Normal Variation' would be a self-indulgence...but 'normal'??..and to others, by true definition of the word, it falls under the category as Akenaton CORRECTLY posted..BY TRUE DEFINITION:

Akenaton: "My dictionary defines perversion.
"A turning from the true purpose, use, or meaning"
"Deviation from the normal"

So explain (or don't) how homosexuality is a normal activity for reproduction.

Stu: "The idea homosexuality is a "perversion" is a cultural trope and has no basis of fact in behavioural studies, biology or any other science for that matter."

Stu's preceding comment is based solely on political opinion, and NOT on fact, by any biological definition, and therefore FALSE....but it makes for happy fodder for wannabe activists...but still FALSE!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 02:07 PM

As peace and congeniality seems to have broken out on this here thread, :0) I have decided to bow out for a while and let the green shoots mature. I shall move to the back of the bus and let Jack or Ian take over the wheel.
Happy motoring!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as the troll concer
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 02:06 PM

Jerk this is getting godamme tedious,..you are are a prick of the first order


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 01:53 PM

Jack, my stance against homosexual "marriage" is chiefly on health grounds, the "smokescreen" stance if you like, but although I am presently undecided about religion, I have much sympathy with those committed people of faith who protest about the re-definition of Christian marriage( marriage blessed by the church). They far outnumber homosexuals and further outnumber the homosexuals who wish to avail themselves of "marriage"
So the rights of the majority are being adversely affected by a small minority.....those rights being not marriage rights, but the right to redefine the what Christian marriage actually means.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 01:43 PM

Stu, I don't mean to sound dismissive, but your last post comes over as a sort of excuse?
The norm in sexual behaviour is heterosexual, only a very small section of society practice homosexuality, therefore they can be said to "deviate from the norm"....perverse, as defined in my dictionary.

Ian "hates" ginger hair, :0), but that point is not valid as we are discussing sexual BEHAVIOUR, not race or hair colour....another "smokescreen?"
The same tactics are used to re-define marriage....effectively saying that anyone should be allowed to marry anyone as long as they "love" one another.
Is "love" a cultural trope? "Does it have a basis of fact in behavioural studies, biology or any other science for that matter."


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 01:38 PM

A '70s disco song if I recall. "Shame on you, if you can't pass poo". Or something like that.

Goofus has "improved" eh? Nice to see you really do think you are the arbiter of good taste. (Quoting bubble gum disco songs isn't good taste though.) Who the flying fook are you to decide what is good or bad? As you said , people want to post here, and reckoning on a self righteous prig on a mission jumping on their backs ain't going to be useful. Greater minds than mine have you weighed up. On this thread too....

At least you are comfortable with selecting who and when to complain about. They say ignorance is bliss.

I commend your post to all. I hope many people read it.

We could do with a good laugh.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 01:20 PM

>> Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket - PM
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 12:50 PM

I don't know where to start?

Dave the Gnome puts it in a nutshell regarding what is acceptable. Consenting sex by both parties is acceptable.

The relevance to this thread.   Excellent example of narrow minded fools spreading propaganda in order to denigrate a section of society. A bit like God botherers slurring rational people, calling them militant atheists just because they don't accept superstition as fact, or wish to be told how to behave.

Oy Jerk! Any chance, when saying I break the rules, of noting Goofus saying my Dad had a pair of tits?

Thought not.

You don't care about any rules really. Only as a tool to gag people who see through your approach. False fool.<<

Violations of the rules.


Ian Mathers. I don't even comment every time you break the rules. I am certainly not going to comment on someone who does it occasionally and who has improved so much as GfS. The difference between your rudeness and his is that he only does it when provoked and you do it to provoke. Oh yeah, and you do it constantly.


If I was using it as a tool to gag "people" (meaning you) then "people" would be shutting up.

I'm using it as a tool to let you show "people" (meaning you) how stubborn, stupid, rude, ungrateful and antisocial you are being. Max provides this wonderful forum for all of us and you cannot accept or abide by one simple request. Shame on you sir!! Shame Shame Shame Shame!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 12:50 PM

I don't know where to start?

Dave the Gnome puts it in a nutshell regarding what is acceptable. Consenting sex by both parties is acceptable.

Still not sure why the fascination with sex is part of this though. After all, not everybody indulges. If we go by the evidence we have, it says anal sex is the most successful way to transmit viruses. After all, the French even stick pain killers up their bottom, as the fastest way to get into the bloodstream. Hence viriaemia and bactoraemia like the bot bot. The other bit of evidence, here in The UK by certain Royal Colleges, in particular The Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh, suggest that recipients of anal sex in The UK are 85 % women. (Sourced by presentation where anal sex is noted for clinically relevance such as colo rectal concerns.) Add that to the estimates Keith A Hole of Hertford keeps throwing around that only a third of undiagnosed HIV affects gay men, and you start to see why it is so frustrating to see people accept the terrible slur that HIV is a gay issue. It is a people issue.

The relevance to this thread.   Excellent example of narrow minded fools spreading propaganda in order to denigrate a section of society. A bit like God botherers slurring rational people, calling them militant atheists just because they don't accept superstition as fact, or wish to be told how to behave.

Oy Jerk! Any chance, when saying I break the rules, of noting Goofus saying my Dad had a pair of tits?

Thought not.

You don't care about any rules really. Only as a tool to gag people who see through your approach. False fool.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 10:39 AM

I confess I'm coming to this thread late, and yes, that I've skipped some, so I just might be repeating a point made earlier (though I doubt it).

But I will say plainly that I am an atheist. That is to say that I believe there is no god (singular or plural, capitalized or lower case). This is quite different from saying that I do not believe in a god; that would be much more ambivalent, a weaker statement than my actual position.

But I am NOT an anti-theist, which would be the logically correct name
for "Militant Atheist", I think.

I think this is a distinction which should be kept in mind throughout this thread and throughout this or any other discussion of people's
position(s) with respect to religion and its place (if any) in a civilized world.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 10:09 AM

Ake, Am I right in thinking you are saying that your only objection to gay marriage is that it is a "smokescreen" for other problems in the gay community?


If so, why would you have any objection to a gay couple marrying one another if they intend monogamy and want the same rights and recognition that straight couples get?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:59 AM

>>>From: GUEST,Musket - PM
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 08:51 AM



You sit in judgement of others.

Back in your hole worm. <<<<


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:51 AM

>>>From: GUEST,Musket - PM
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 06:36 AM

You are thinking large alright Goofus.

Huge large piles of it. <<<

Flagrant violation of the terms of use.

No one is asking you not to express your opinion. You can do it without the sarcasm and personal abuse.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:37 AM

You are just waffling Ian, as Keith has illustrated.

But you can really do it if you try hard...well done, only one tiny bit of childish name calling in your last post, and at least some attempt at discussion.
Maybe we can end up as friends, I don't hold a grudge.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Stu
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:36 AM

"Many people see homosexuality as a perversion, a deviation from "normal" sexual activity."

Homosexuality is a normal variation of sexual behaviour and certainly not a perversion. As I mentioned on another thread this is widely studied and very well understood.

The idea homosexuality is a "perversion" is a cultural trope and has no basis of fact in behavioural studies, biology or any other science for that matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:33 AM

I think the point is that if a person is comfortable doing something it is not perverted to them. It may seem strange to others but that is what being judgmental is all about. We all do it to some extent. The crux of the argument is where do you draw the line and who draws it? For instance, same sex intercourse may be acceptable to most while sex with children and animals is not. The main point here is that in the former case both parties give their consent. In the second one of the parties is not likely to have agreed. In my opinion it is wrong and counter-productive to label both cases as the same.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:18 AM

So, nothing is perverse if people do it?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 08:51 AM

Ever though that if you were gay, heterosexual sex might be a deviation from the normal ?

By your perverse logic, being ginger is perverse, ergo ginger people are perverted.

Notwithstanding that sex isn't the be all and end all of being gay or straight. Whilst it isn't any of our business, I laughed my head off when in an interview recently, an American baptist pastor asked Stephen Fry what it felt like to have a cock shoved up his rectum. "I don't know." He said. "I personally don't relish the thought of anal sex."

I have no idea how many people in Scotland indulge in anal sex. I went out with a girl from Airdrie for a short while whilst working there, and she wanted me to have a pop, as it were. Not my cup of tea though. I doubt I would use that as evidence that all Scottish women like a bit of back door action.

Unless you know better?

In answer to your question. Normal sexual activity is normal sexual activity. If I were gay and wanted penetrative sex, then yes, it would be normal. As I am what I am, my sex, however it happens to be is normal to me. I don't understand your question?

Oh! Silly me, I do understand.

You sit in judgement of others.

Back in your hole worm.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 08:11 AM

Many people see homosexuality as a perversion, a deviation from "normal" sexual activity.

Do you think that male to male sex is "normal" sexual activity?
In my area of the country, the practice is extremely rare.

As I have said before, some perversions are harmless, but this one appears to be very dangerous indeed, as it contains very high promiscuity rates and very high infection transmission rates.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 08:02 AM

My dictionary defines perversion.

"A turning from the true purpose, use, or meaning"
"Deviation from the normal"


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 07:42 AM

Behaviour. Treatment programmes....

I preferred it when you were more honest about your irrational hatred and used terms such as perverted, against natural law and "marriage."

Oh, hang on.. You still use that last one.

Immediate action needs to be taken to get the fucking truth out. Snag is, the truth wouldn't sway the likes of you.

Going to get a shower now.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 07:15 AM

Ian, your "argument" seems consist of continual repetition of the lie that "Akenaton hates homosexuals". There are a few homosexual couples in the area where I live, with whom I get on quite well. I do repairs to their property and have no problem with them at all.

"Hatred" has nothing to do with it, in fact, on the few occasions that "marriage" has been briefly discussed, they give the opinion that they wish they could be left alone to get on with their lives.
There are three couples that I work for, none of them are "married" or in civil union.
My stance has always been against the activists, many of whom are not homosexual, but "human rights" workers who have an agenda to push.
Legislation being promoted by these people is bad for society and bad for homosexuals, as it obscures the integral problems in this type of sexual behaviour and inhibits treatment programmes.

You refuse to believe the evidence of your own eyes and do not recognise that there IS a problem.

I say immediate action must be taken to stop the epidemic.

Who is the most "hate filled"


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 06:36 AM

You are thinking large alright Goofus.

Huge large piles of it.

To the more sane people here... There are a few who complain I take the piss.

Where you find yourself being attacked for refusing to entertain hatred and bigotry in a debate, I suppose taking the piss is the only logical response.

Fascinating.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 03:37 AM

"... implying evolutionism has evidence to back it ,and creation does,nt."

pete, there is a vast body of evidence supporting the theory of evolution (don't know what "evolutionism" is). I suggest that you read some of it - rather than just relying on Christian fundamentalist websites and an old book full of myths.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 03:11 AM

Muskett: "Nice to see the support for homophobia. Yeah Jerk, he has a right to an opinion, but here in civilisation, we have laws to protect people from having to read incitement to hatred. The worm doesn't live in Dumbfuckistan."

Hey, now THAT is more of an accurate example of a 'Freudian Slip'..Yours was inaccurate and a misnomer in application.

You also stated that, .."so claiming you shouldn't be ashamed of your odious view on the basis Christians share it is beneath contempt. Marriage is open to all."

Open to ALL???....except if that applies to YOUR parents, you take it as an insult and offense. Makes me wonder what is underneath your rap, that sees homosexuality as OK 'and open to all'....EXCEPT YOUR PARENTS!!...You got something against homosexuality, and project that people MUST feel the way YOU do, so you accuse them of 'hate'???

A bit telling, Ol' Chap!

As for me, I tend to identify with those I have a couple of things in common with....those who have the will to survive and reproduce....
also referred to as 'Living Beings'.
'Hate' or 'Phobia' is just YOUR take on it....Not where I'm at, at all! Try to think LARGER!!

GfS

P.S. Matter of fact, I don't really have the need to discuss them at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 02:53 AM

You think I'm being unfair Joe?

I suppose you can read what it writes and form your own opinion but in my opinion there is no place for bigotry. No place for singling out a section of society and blaming it for wider issues.

Presumably no place on Mudcat for gay people to engage in threads without having to put up with wicked debased hatred of them, just for existing. Let alone others having opinions on how equal others are prepared to accept them as.

"Their" behaviour. Fook me gently.... Who are "they?" The worm compounds his ignorance of respectful behaviour even when trying to defend the indefensible! When you come to an answer to that question you will have defined all the descriptions of bigotry I have offered, largely in the direction of the sad individual posing as Akenaton.



Perhaps our respecter of rules might get around to seeing if posting incitement to hatred is on Max's shit list? Slowly but surely our salty matey is seeing the agenda informing Akenhateon's outpourings.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 06:52 PM

Sorry Joe, I missed your post of 4;19.

I would just add, that Jack has been subjected to almost as much abuse as I have, and please don't call me a conservative :0).

Most folks round here think I'm a radical socialist, but mostly I'm just Ake, another Mudcatter who likes to put in his tu'ppence worth....civilly.

I do think that a lot of conservative core beliefs on social issues make sense, and some "liberal" ones are crass stupidity.
I suppose the only label I would be prepared to wear is "Anti-capitalist".....I'm with Francis on that one!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 06:09 PM

Joe, you have avoided the question of abusive behaviour.

The issues of homosexuality, infection rates, homosexual "marriage", religious faith etc, are all open for debate and Ian is free to state his views on these matters.

Ian uses personal abuse and attempts intimidation in order to deprive others of the right to voice their opinions.

This is the question, what if all, or a majority of members used Ian's tactics?
How long would this excellent forum survive?

Jack....even in Africa, infection rates among male homosexuals are many times that of heterosexuals......CDC has stated clearly that in all countries MSM infection rates are higher than any other demographic.
Marriage does not make people monogamous....I have known of highly promiscuous married couples.......the extended family structure is what keeps society on the rails....no one, or very few want their offspring to think that their parents are sexually loose or have partners outside the family.
That is not to say that couples without children cannot remain faithful to one another, but a secure family structure is the ideal.
Homosexual "marriage" is an Orwellian smokescreen, which gives the impression that all is well within the male homosexual community, while in fact it is suffering an epidemic of sexual infection.
It also stops that particular demographic from being targeted with effective measures to stop the spread of disease within it.

While folks keep repeating that monogamy is the best way of stopping the infection, the disease will keep spreading, as the "marriage" rates amongst MSM are so minute, and as I said already,"marriage" is no guarantee of monogamy.
Marriage rates are falling in all demographics, so why are infection rates only rising in MSM?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 05:47 PM

...evolutionism[sic] has evidence to back it, and creation does'nt.

There's no such thing as "evolutionism" Pete, except in your mind. However if you meant to say

"evolution has evidence to back it, and creation does'nt."

You would be absolutely correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 05:17 PM

"And I'm still trying to figure out how homosexual marriage poses some sort of threat to my heterosexual marriage."

That is what decided me in favor of Gay marriage. As you know, Carol and I got married in our mid forties, so all of the arguments about marriage being for children applied to us as well.

I figured if they thought the argument was sincere they'd come for us next. If they intend to discriminate between us and a gay couple on the basis of a lie then I had to choose the side that was demanding equal rights.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 04:38 PM

I gotta say that to my mind, the one thing likely to reduce the rate of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases among homosexuals, is homosexual marriage. Certainly, there will be many who will violate their marriage vows, but the same is true in heterosexual marriage.

And I'm still trying to figure out how homosexual marriage poses some sort of threat to my heterosexual marriage.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 04:29 PM

Ake, I find myself a bit puzzled by the HIV argument you are making and how it pertains to marriage. If you are making the argument on a World wide basis, Trubadour has a point about Africa. Would you like to run it by one more time in an attempt to settle it?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,The troll formally known as the troll conce
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 04:24 PM

There you have it jerk..straight from the man himself...how does it feel..phoney?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 04:16 PM

Jack and Ake, you certainly have twisted what I said. If Ian/Musket were congenial in these discussions, this would certainly be a better place for an intelligent exchange of ideas. Similarly, if Jack the Sailor could lose his distorted perception of the "rules" and his combative attitude, and be less of a self-righteous prig, this might be a place where an intelligent exchange of ideas could be possible.

As far as I can see, the only offense committed by Ake and Pete in this forum, is that they have dared to express conservative ideas amidst a liberal majority - but they have always done so in a polite and civil manner, and I respect that. And if they didn't express their ideas, what would the liberals have to respond to? For discussion to happen, it has to go in two directions - but in an atmosphere of civility and respect.

And yes, I think that Ian/musket has been unfair in his attacks against others, particularly against Ake. One would think that Ian would be above that sort of nastiness, but apparently not.

And since I have dared to question the conduct of the exquisitely self-righteous Jack the Sailor, he will soon, as in the past, commence to squeal like a stuck pig....

-Joe Offer-


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