BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:57 AM

" ... it denoted Christians eager to spread their faith in the existence of God, and of Christ as saviour."

Frankly, pete, I've always found that eagerness to be a bit alarming. When some 'eager' Christian approaches me in the street, or knocks on my door, to tell me the "good news!" about something or other, my instinct is to get away as fast as possible! If I ever found myself cornered by such a person, then there's a good chance that I might turn 'militant'.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 04:09 AM

The rules seem pretty vague.

As far as I can see, Ian is the only person here who indulges in personal insults and cursing, directly at other members without provocation.

This is quite distinctly different from being able to discuss any subject on this forum, as long as one is being factual.

The old rules simply stated that personal abuse was banned, and worked very well.....policed mainly by the membership.

If everyone behaved like Ian discussion would be impossible, he either prints insulting remarks, curses and swearwords, or incomprehensible jargon.

This is his MO.....he has said it often enough, he wants to shut down discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 04:31 AM

Why does this state of affairs continue on this forum?
Because many people value their own personal ideology over freedom of expression.
They quite enjoy seeing people who hold alternative views being insulted and sworn at....although they would never indulge in that sort of behaviour themselves.

There are people on this thread who try to equate the actions of folk like Ian, with those of us who want a reasoned discussion on any issue, without being subjected to intimidation.

It is really up to the membership to determine what SORT of forum we have, is it to be a serious platform for debate.....the members are intelligent enough for that, or is it to be a foul playground for trolls and bullies?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 04:40 AM

There is no one on this forum more "predictable" than Ian

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 04:53 AM

If ever we find who this Ian is who questions people without provocation, it would be nice. We could ask him why he does it.

I go by the name of Ian too. In fact, I have been known to question the character of a bloke called Alex who uses Akenaton but insists on naming others. Mind you, the difference between me and this fictitious Ian is that I respond when he says gay people are perverts, that they are unnatural and offensive to natural law, whatever that is. I possibly get a tad angry when he speaks of forcing people to undergo medical tests and being out on a register simply for being gay. Even the celibate ones apparently.

Tell you what, I will give a nod to decency on these threads when those in charge censor incitement to hatred, which happens to be illegal, never mind distasteful where this Alex bloke lives.

Jerk the Sea Cadet starts threads to provoke, then hilariously screams about some code of conduct. Can't recall you screaming when our resident Scottish bigot calls to round up queers and poufs? Where is your indignation when God botherers use these threads to promote their particular brand of bigotry, misogyny and telling children they are sinners?

Keep banging the rocks together, and don't forget to splice the mainbrace whatever..

zzz

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 05:21 AM

While there have been murderous and oppressive atheists, by and large they don't do those things for the purposes of spreading atheism. The opposite is true of theists - historically they have enslaved and compelled precisely for the purposes of trying to spread belief in their gods.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 05:38 AM

No God??..No Love...What did you fucking expect?...Atheists to be Saint-like?

Nope nope nope...They're Blue Meanies....sociopathic..no conscience about their behavior.....

'Militant Atheism': ".....ATTEN-CHUTT!!!......At ease.....stand straight... suck in that need to offend.....firm it up....fire first..then ask questions.....they all got what they got cummin'....just duck and learn to take cover....so you can come back and suck the life out of another room again!!"

"YESSIR!!!"

"The moment you regard your fellow man as yourself, is the day you need to take cover..or you can die!"

"YESSIR!!"

"I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!"

"YESSS-SIR!!!!"

"Know your enemy, love, faith, hope, joy, and peace....take no prisoners!! Yours is a 'Search and Destroy' mission....if it's invisible, and feels like it came from that 'invisible God', snuff it immediately...we're up against a critical time element!!......"

"YESSIR!!"

"Dismissed!"

"YESSIR"

Trot trot trot....hmmm....just waiting for this screen to come on....


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 12:32 PM

You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative, snooty,

I think a sure sign of being argumentative is flatly saying that things are not true when it is generally accepted that they are. Most everyone knows who the Ian is that Ake is addressing. Most of all the Ian who answered his point with snooty sarcasm.


Musket the rules are very very clear. You are not free to be unkind. It is clear that you are and you brag about it. You are here to "Push buttons," punish people for opinions you do not like and generally disrupt conversation.

Lots of people disagree with Ake's politics vis a vis gay people, including my self. Dozens have expressed their displeasure with Ake's Only one person constantly brings that up as an ad hominum attack even when those issues are not under discussion. Only one person follows Ake around the forum harassing him. Only one person consistently brags about harassing people.

Whether you like it or not, Ake is entitled to express his opinions. His doing so does not give you license to be unkind, impolite, argumentative, and snooty. You are entitled to respectfully disagree, respectfully.

I did start a thread. But not to provoke. I said "here is an article some might fid interesting. Stringsinger took it upon himself to redefine terms in an NPR article. You called me a jerk. Who is being unkind and argumentative?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 01:10 PM

Hee hee the tshirt says Militant atheism = There's no goddamn god god damn it!

Anyway, militant does not mean enthusiastic nor rabid, it means having a military attitude towards as in let's go in and let our .45's do the talking for us, so it's rarely the atheists who are thus. Which would make it obviously a propaganda term...

Or they mean it literally, as in, figuratively.

***********AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH****************
go the language people...

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 01:19 PM

Ian, I don't care in the least what you think of my "views" which you completely misunderstand.
Show me where I have "incited hatred"....I don't hate homosexuals, I feel rather sorry that they will never know the pain and joy of producing and bringing up their own children, but "hate" is not in my nature.
Very many people worldwide see same gender sex as a perversion, but that is surely arguable without "hatred" being brought up.
To practice a perversion is not the end of the world, there are many perfectly harmless perversions.....unfortunately male to male sex seem to be a very dangerous one.

I am concerned that the behaviour of your and some of you "gang", ruin what has always been a fine and civil debating platform. Your abusive "style"....or lack of, could soon become acceptable here and that will be the day we can all log off!

Jack...you too have been subjected to childish name calling as has Pete just for defending people with a religious faith. We have disagreed about lots of things over the years yet always in a civilised manner...Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:39 PM

Don't be faux-naif, wannabee pharoah. You have argued here for the imprisonment of all homosexuals (or something like that) and proselytised with propaganda statistics about STDs and GUIs. And you have asserted that Romanies/travellers are sociopaths. You appear to be a ball of hate spitting everywhere you go. You know I despise Mither most of the time but you are an aspirant oppressor and discriminator.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:41 PM

Oh, and Pete from the 7 stars is from a more distant planet than Fugitive From Sanity - a denier of history and archaeological fact - and a bloody nuisance at a singaround with soppy self-penned god-bothering songs.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:47 PM

Don't get me wrong Ake, I have pushed a button or two for my own amusement in my time. Just not since I found out it was against the rules.   I am willing to try Max's new paradigm. But I know it won't work with people proudly and arrogantly doing the opposite.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 03:38 PM

Jerk. Fuck off.

How's that?

What's all this about following the worm around threads? A trail of slime is the only thing that does that. Don't tell lies. Max wouldn't like it.

Homophobia is disgusting. Pointing the fact out is a responsible good thing to do. Members of the human race , including armchair socialists like Bridge. He is a human. A weird one I grant you. But hey ho. Members of the human race don't turn the other cheek when the likes of Akenhateon wish to oppress others.

In the meantime I'll take the piss and Jerk the Sea Cadet will scream decency , whilst being nice to the worm.

After all, bigotry and Christianity seem to work well together.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 04:36 PM

Ian, both Richard and yourself have no compunction it presenting what I SAY in a manner that you think will show you and your agenda in the best possible light.
Truth never comes into anything you write.

I have never argued for the imprisonment of all homosexuals, or even for any homosexuals....I have said openly that I don't agree with the criminalisation of homosexuals.

I do not present the figures, the health agencies do that and anyone who thinks they are meaningless is a fool.
The figures depict a stark picture of a section of our society suffering an epidemic of sexual disease.
That is undeniable if you have one operational rain cell between you.

I have never said gypsies/ travellers are sociopaths, but in my area they were certainly taking advantage of bad legislation to run a large drug and money lending business, enforced at knife point.
Fortunately their fortress was closed and the families involved rehoused in areas where the police could monitor them.

I know exactly what I am talking about, you Richard do not.
You have not seen the slashed faces, or the terrified young addicts.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 06:09 PM

"What's all this about following the worm around threads? A trail of slime is the only thing that does that. "

obvious violation of the terms of use.


I am no nicer to Ake than anyone else. He is following the rules. there is no rule against voicing unpopular opinions. I am trying not to be unkind, impolite, argumentative, or snooty to anyone. I would like the forum to also do that. Most people have. You are standing in the way. Why don't you show some decency and try to behave yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 06:22 PM

Ain't no such thing as militant atheism.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 06:48 PM

"Only one person follows Ake around the forum harassing him. Only one person consistently brags about harassing people."

Kind of begs the question "Who is the foremost OP of anti Atheist threads?"

Judge not, lest ye be judged!   Eh Jack?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 07:02 PM

Is there really that big of a difference between stupidity and hate???
..and don't you just hate it when 'some' speak against 'hate', but then present a stupid premise that they're tying to make...now we have to separate just plain old hate, as opposed for hate for stupidity...or if some present a stupid point of view, just to support their hate for anything not as stupid as they can't understand...then they hate you if you don't want to be as stupid as they are, and agree with something totally stupid...and THEN they REALLY HATE that!!.....then they try to spread their thinly veiled indignation, with smooth rhetoric...but it's really just more stupid hate speech....

..or something like that!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 07:28 PM

those that only offer mockery. insults , and foul language instead of attempting a reasonable argument, have already lost the argument ,even if they ever had a good argument to start with.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:13 AM

I have not started a single "Anti-atheist thread." I started a thread linking to an article by a famous atheist talking about other atheists and their actions and said it reminded me of a few people on this forum. In fact the complaint that I had then is the complaint that I have now, which is they are poor representatives of the cause they claim to care for because they are as dogmatic and pushy as the people they claim to dislike.

But to say that I am "anti-atheist" because I dislike the behavior of a few jackasses on this form simply is not true.

Do you think the "church of the Godless" threads I started is anti-atheist? How so? The article says these people are joining in fellowship as a substitute for Christian Church. I certainly an not against that. In fact I wish them well. Others call their church's name an oxymoron but lets face it. There is military intelligence. There are jumbo shrimp.

I have no problem saying that Musket is breaking the rules here. You can try to judge me for that. The problem is that I don't break the rules every day. I certainly don't claim that the rules are ficticous. I don't proudly claim to be pushing people's buttons.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 02:41 AM

Wonderful. I seem to be breaking the rules, though obviously not. Akenhateon breaks the law where he lives and you say homophobic incitement to hatred is a valid opinion.

I could I suppose quote the many times the worm has stated that just being human and choosing your gender of lover is perverted, that it is against natural law and as such should be compelled to be forced to be put on a register after undergoing medical tests without consent.

But no. As ever, this is about God botherers such as Jerk the Sea Cadet wanting to claim smug superiority over rational people. If I had to try to belittle others to justify my faith, I would ask myself if I was secretly embarrassed by what I believe in.

Oy pete. Me saying "fuck" doesn't lead to your God mysteriously appearing. There is no argument against your young earth creationism nonsense , there doesn't have to be one.

Who's next? Form a pile.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 03:28 AM

Well, not me, Ian. You seem to be making sense on this thread, even if not on another where we are currently exchanging posts!

Re the thread question. Well, "militant" is a bit of an emotive boo-word; but it would surely be idle to deny that some atheists [of whom I am one] are more anxious to demonstrate, let us say, the intellectual superiority of their position to that of some religious people, than are others.

A little story re a late dear friend, well known to readers of this forum. During a middle-aged period in my 40s, during which I thought I would test out my beliefs [after which, as I say, I returned to my default position, atheism], I mentioned to Peter Bellamy, who was staying over with us as he always did when gigging around Cambs, that I had got adult-baptised and confirmed and was church-going regularly in my [then] new village.

"Oh yes," he replied truculently, "well then I've got a couple of questions to ask you."

"OK, Pete," I replied. "But just ask yourself a couple of questions first. Why do you want to ask me these questions? Is it to try and deprive me of my faith? And, if so, what do you want to do that for?"

Pete thought for a moment. "You're right," he said."I won't ask my questions after all."

I think there are some atheists who might do well sometimes to ask themselves these questions before {'militantly' or otherwise} questioning the beliefs of others.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket clicking knuckles
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 04:43 AM

Michael, you disappoint me. I was looking forward to trying to argue the toss with someone who can return the grenade still ticking!

Perhaps the work of the late Mr Bellamy with regard to Kipling and forming the Edwardian view of military endeavour may be of use in the present WW1 thread. Keith appears to be sinking. He has been listing to port for a while mind.

Regarding your conversation over belief, I find one thing curious. You were on a voyage of discovery, taking stock etc and presumably didn't find the hidden treasure. Those who advertise the treasure could never accept that you can deprive someone of lack of faith. Such depriving would be seen in their eyes as enlightenment.

And that is when everybody runs home to polish their guns.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 06:57 AM

Sorry, Ian. But we can't disagree every time, & must occasionally co-operate in lobbing our grenades at others.

Don't disagree with your point above, about the attempts of the 'enlightened' to convert those they see as the unenlightened. But I can't see it as contradicting the point I made about the contrariwise efforts, one of which PB was about to launch on me till I persuaded him to think better of it. Where do you find anything 'curious' in my exchange with Pete?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 10:16 AM

There is a persecution complex going around in Christian circles at present. Not the labelling of ethnic communities along belief name tags, but silly old men such as an ex Archbishop of Canterbury claiming that "atheists" are depriving them of their faith.

So my curiosity is based on the trap you seem to have fallen into (in your "youth") of assuming questioning of faith as attempted deprivation . It's as if some religious people expect others to accept and never question their faith. All well and good but religious people are happy for their cult (but not other cults) to have influence in society at large, but this large member of society insists on questioning rather than accepting that which aims to have an effect on him.

I find Brasso to be good, and pipe cleaners to prevent build up around the helix scoring in the barrel.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 11:37 AM

I didn't 'assume' it, Ian. If you read what I wrote again, you will note that I specifically asked Pete to consider whether that was his motivation. It appears that, on consideration, he considered it so, & withdrew. But I had assumed nothing -- altho consideration as to what other motivation he might have had for his truculent announcement of the questions he had to pose did rather, you must admit, give rise to a remote possibility of such a motive on his part. But I fail to see myself as having 'fallen into any trap'; that's just your emotive gloss, innit!

〠~M~〠

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:47 PM

Without emotive gloss, social intercourse wouldn't glide so easily.

Other types of intercourse are easier with lubrication too, but I am willing to bet Jacko can find something in the rule book precluding mentioning them.

An aside to the world!!

I have managed to find, on Amazon, (why didn't i look there before? I buy from them most weeks...) a nut for one of my banjos that has sat in its box for ten years waiting for me to replace it. It is the correct size, no filing, rubbing down etc that blighted earlier attempts.

£3.50 too..

I am so happy, I could crap a grapefruit. Just thought I would share the second happy news of the day with you all.

The first happy news was just shared with half of Yorkshire. Got back from the match earlier. Just stuffed Leeds 6.0.

If the beer is on form in The White Bear tonight, thats the proof that good things come in 3s.

Militant atheism? Pah! Lady luck every time.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:56 PM

Let's bottom line it...people don't know how the fuck they got here, or what the fuck to do or think now that they've arrived!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 02:28 PM

Happy to support Mither here if he promises to pluck his drum with strings elsewhere (and it would be nice if he became a socialist, so long as I did not have to meet him). Wannabee Pharoah, he has you nailed.

MtheGM - since, on balance, religion does much more harm than good it is good to try to derive its users of their "faith" and convert them to rationality - but it is largely only the religious who do that about religion by killing them.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 02:32 PM

Helluvan echo in this room.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 04:06 PM

Agree with you up to a point this time, Richard. But the compulsion you urge must, surely, involve some degree of 'militancy', mustn't it?

& OTOH I do know people who do derive much comfort from their faith, and with some of them I'd as soon stamp on a fallen nestling bird as try to deprive them of it.

I always suffer from a maddening habit [maddening to myself as well as to anyone else] of being able to see both sides of things, often leading to a sort of practical & intellectual paralysis. How 'militant' I think my atheism should be is one of such questions.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,troll replacing the troll who is not a troll
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 04:43 PM

Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term? please discuss...and lets have less of the petty, ginger woosy, ditchcreeping psuedo morality and name calling.Try and behave like grown ups..

I know it is a lot to ask of you moronic, centrist,thumb up bum side winders..but for sanitys sake lets try..pretty pink please?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,troll replacing the troll who is not a troll
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 05:00 PM

I see jerk the sailor is back with us with his toadying ways and shit eating grin...and quoting stuff he barely understands, like his nautical pretensions

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 05:15 PM

not very kind of you.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 05:16 PM

Musket: "Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term? please discuss...and lets have less of the petty, ginger woosy, ditchcreeping psuedo morality and name calling.Try and behave like grown ups..

I know it is a lot to ask of you moronic, centrist,thumb up bum side winders..but for sanitys sake lets try..pretty pink please?"

You post is somewhat self-fulfilling.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 05:20 PM

Shouldn't that be self-defeating?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 05:21 PM

Shouldn't that be self-defeating?

Well, when people play with themselves..one of them has to lose!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 05:29 PM

The preceding post of 09 Jan 14 - 03:04 PM by GUEST,Musket is in clear violation of the terms of use.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 05:47 PM

Oh Jack, cut him some slack..he's bored and has nothing to say...he's too weary to be witty..it's just 'one of those days'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 05:52 PM

He can grow up and try to behave like the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 06:01 PM

As far as I can see, Ian is the only person here who indulges in personal insults and cursing, directly at other members without provocation.

Then you need to see an occulist, Pharoah.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 06:05 PM

Yes Greg, he forgot you.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 06:18 PM

OOOOOH Jackie! Such wit!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 06:38 PM

I don't see the point of this thread without Stringsinger's posts and the responses to them. Should it be merged with his other Atheist thread?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 06:45 PM

LOL I meant the current one. I didn't know this one existed.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 09:07 PM

Seems to me that most groups have militants. The militant wing of a group is usually its most extreme, most aggressive, and most likely to be alienated from other groups. Militants seem to thrive on hating and attacking others.

Christians certainly have militants - the Westboro Baptist Church, for example. Muslims have their militants, and some of those militants become terrorists. And I think that atheists have their militants, too - I can't think of any reason why they should be exempt.

But I don't think that "militant" is a propaganda term when it's used to describe the extremist part of any group. It seems to be a very accurate term in that situation. Where the term "militant" becomes unfair and might be considered propaganda, is when the term is used to describe and blame the entire group, not just the extremists within the group.

I suppose that the next logical thing to do, is to ask whether the larger group should be held to blame for the actions of its extremists, its militants. I think not. Of course, much of the content of our Mudcat religion threads is exactly that - blaming groups for the misdeeds of the group's extremists, rather than an honest assessment of the actuality of the group.

And we have both religious and non-religious people who spew out that blame, over and over again.

Shame on them.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 09:45 PM

Well, Joe, how about we blame the several groups for not abjuring and/or condemning the extremists?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 10:41 PM

"He can grow up and try to behave like the rest of us."

But he IS behaving like the rest of us!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 10:53 PM

200....I can't believe it!

GfS