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What does your 'day job' mean to you...

Big Ballad Singer 28 May 13 - 06:37 PM
Leadfingers 28 May 13 - 06:56 PM
GUEST,twerp 28 May 13 - 07:22 PM
John Routledge 28 May 13 - 07:22 PM
Suzy Sock Puppet 28 May 13 - 07:25 PM
GUEST,Tony Rath aka Tonyteach 28 May 13 - 07:48 PM
Phil Cooper 28 May 13 - 08:27 PM
Joe Offer 29 May 13 - 02:37 AM
GUEST,CS 29 May 13 - 04:02 AM
vectis 29 May 13 - 07:05 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 May 13 - 07:34 AM
Big Ballad Singer 29 May 13 - 08:50 AM
maeve 29 May 13 - 08:57 AM
Big Ballad Singer 29 May 13 - 09:23 AM
meself 29 May 13 - 10:55 AM
GUEST,sciencegeek 29 May 13 - 11:40 AM
GUEST,Big Ballad Singer short a cookie again 29 May 13 - 12:52 PM
Bonzo3legs 29 May 13 - 01:45 PM
Acorn4 29 May 13 - 01:52 PM
selby 29 May 13 - 01:56 PM
Musket 29 May 13 - 03:45 PM
GUEST,Big Ballad Singer once again cookie-less 29 May 13 - 04:19 PM
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mg 30 May 13 - 01:29 AM
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GUEST,Big Ballad Singer once again 30 May 13 - 12:26 PM
GUEST,Well-meaning 30 May 13 - 02:46 PM
GUEST,the OP 30 May 13 - 04:46 PM
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Subject: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Big Ballad Singer
Date: 28 May 13 - 06:37 PM

I've come into a good-paying job. The schedule sucks. Between the commute and the workdays, I'm on the hook over 60 (nearly 70) hours a week.

I have a chance to replace some of my current job with work in my preferred and admittedly more suitable fields: music education/entertainment and puppetry, along with the chance to work on the admin side of another company that represents a favorite hobby.

Should I keep the really-good-paying job with the crappy schedule and long hours, or should I replace some (and eventually all) those hours with a closer commute and work I love? I may not make as much... and no ONE of these other jobs will pay what the current job does alone... YET. In time, one or two of these jobs could turn into full-time work that I would LOVE to do every day. Right now, I would need at least two of these other gigs to equal what I make now.

Is your day job just whatever you need to do in order to pay the bills? Would you take slightly less mone th to do things you love to do as long as you were sure you'd be solvent and OK?

I've hung in for a year and a half at 20 hours weekly just so I could sieze the other 30+ hours when they became available. I'm realizing that my family life, emotions and general happiness are all struggling now because of this great money.

My wife is nervous that I would trade these hours for other things. She's worried that the creative-arts gigs might not last. What to do?


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 May 13 - 06:56 PM

I was in the fortunate position when MY day Job turned pear shaped( a really Crap Line Manager) that my part time job as an entertainer was going well , so I took the early escape option , having made sure the
company pittance would just cover my basics . Fortunately (again) when
the recession put the mockers on a lot of the Corporate work , I was on State Pension as well , so am ticking over quite nicely .
IF you can maintain a reasonable standard , think about life quality !


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,twerp
Date: 28 May 13 - 07:22 PM

don't risk it. do the day job and be secure. the other stuff is hobby time. family first, buddy. don't deprive them by being selfish.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: John Routledge
Date: 28 May 13 - 07:22 PM

Try to make a realistic assessment of what these long hours are doing to you and this should make your decision easier.

Also re read Leadfingers last line above. Good Luck with your decision.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 28 May 13 - 07:25 PM

There's this book I spotted the other day called, "Do What You Love, the Money Will Follow." I don't you need to read the book to get the point.

I have a degree in Recreation and Leisure Studies. One thing our teachers stressed to us is that money is no tradeoff for quality of life. You spend many hours working, it's a huge chunk of your life. You should be happy during those hours if at all possible.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,Tony Rath aka Tonyteach
Date: 28 May 13 - 07:48 PM

Keep the day job for the time being and develop the other side slowly until it can take over Music is a great pastime and mostly a lousy career. Quality of life is fine IF you have the basics covered - ie rent food and shoes !


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 28 May 13 - 08:27 PM

Hi, I always wondered where you'd gone. I had a day job to support m music habit for 28 years. I retired on May 3rd and my wife and I ate going to pursue music full time. I got vested in a state pension (by accident ) so we have a floor income. In your case I'd say weigh the practicality of your situation. How likely are the other prospects going to be? That all needs to be out in the equation. PM me if you want to talk about this more.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 May 13 - 02:37 AM

I worked for thirty years as a U.S. Government investigator. For the most part, I hated it, because we had to do so much dumb stuff. Then I was privatized into a job as a government contract investigator, and it was even dumber.

But it gave me good research skills. I retired at age 51 and have been doing "good stuff" ever since. It seems I work as hard in the 14 years since I retired, but it has been very worthwhile work - much of it is researching folk songs, and I have a passion for that.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 29 May 13 - 04:02 AM

The last few times you posted here you were in dire financial straights and selling all your stuff. There were issues with in-laws who were paying your mortgage. You were finding it impossible to get any kind of work at that time, you couldn't even afford the bus fare to go to interviews. I'd really think reflect on that before making any decision that could potentially leave you back there.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: vectis
Date: 29 May 13 - 07:05 AM

I got made redundant and hoped never to need a day job again I would have loved to have managed on the pension but the mortgage had to be paid and I really wanted to be able to eat. In the end I went back to work and reduced the hours slowly as the mortgage, kids etc dropped out of the equation. I have now emigrated and am, again, hoping never to need a day job again.
If you have children they really have to come first and they are your responsibility. Once they leave home though, and the house is paid for, you can afford the luxury of earning less and then the world is your oyster.
It sounds like you are stuck in the day job for a while yet but look forward to leaving it when the time is right later on.
Good luck


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 May 13 - 07:34 AM

The main thing is short supply in our lives is time. You need to decided whether the money you make is worth the time you will never get back.

DtG


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Big Ballad Singer
Date: 29 May 13 - 08:50 AM

Thanks, all, for the replies so far. Yes, I'm at that precarious point where I could conceivably take the hours at these new jobs and still make pretty much what I'm making now. Of course, these other jobs are predicated upon people wanting/needing those services. Naturally, if the work dried up, so would the cash.

On the other hand, being a home-schooling family, the other jobs would allow at least my older two children to apprentice alongside me and learn more about things they are already interested in.

Yes, this is a really tough decision... I can afford pretty much anything I need and, within reason, lots of what I want, at my current job. I am, on the other hand, clearly losing my joy, finding myself increasingly distanced from any real depth of relationship with my family, and frequently justifying my schedule, fatigue and other issues by talking about how much money I am making. That sucks; everyone who knows me knows that's not what I belong doing or being.

My wife and children and I got by on $400 a week when we were being assisted with our house payment. I'm making nearly three times that much now. I could still be making about 75-80% of my current wage at the other jobs combined with the current job at reduced hours. This doesn't seem like a gamble to me, but I am trying my damndest to care for the feelings and concerns of my wife and best friends who are counseling caution.

My struggle right now is this: do I live like my father and grandfathers did and bust my arse at a boring, frustrating job and leave my children a legacy of nose-to-the-grindstone ennui? Or do I strive to leave them a legacy of following one's passion, damning the torpedoes and sailing on?


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: maeve
Date: 29 May 13 - 08:57 AM

"My struggle right now is this: do I live like my father and grandfathers did and bust my arse at a boring, frustrating job and leave my children a legacy of nose-to-the-grindstone ennui? Or do I strive to leave them a legacy of following one's passion, damning the torpedoes and sailing on? "

You doesn't have to be restricted by either/or. You could set realistic savings and debt-clearing goals with your wife and children, then segue out of the high-paying job and into the more enjoyable jobs as those goals are met.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Big Ballad Singer
Date: 29 May 13 - 09:23 AM

The problem with that plan, maeve, is that these other jobs will only be available to me for a short time and have hours that necessitate working one or the other but not both. I could spend the next few weeks or couple of months putting aside savings but might miss the chance totake advantage of these other possibilities.

Of course, one of my longer-term plans is to lay aside savings with an eye towards working for myself within a year's time. That, I know, requires patience, which I am trying my best to have.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: meself
Date: 29 May 13 - 10:55 AM

If your plan is to "lay aside savings with an eye towards working for myself within a year's time", then it seems obvious: keep the job and save for that less-than-a-year. Or am I missing something?


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 29 May 13 - 11:40 AM

if you can make a living doing what you love or at least enjoy, then go for it. I spent 10 years without pension & health insurance - until I got a job with both in a field that I was trained in. Unfortunately, state service can suck the joy out of most things, thanks to the idiots that we tend to put into office and their political appointees, but at least I could support the farm on a small scale. You really need to be sure what is most important in your life and if it's in your means.

But the light at the end of the tunnel is close - and it's not the train, so I'll be able to have enough income to live comfortably and do what I find interesting.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,Big Ballad Singer short a cookie again
Date: 29 May 13 - 12:52 PM

Meself, the only detail you might have missed is that I have a limited amount of time to seize the opportunity to take these other jobs. If I am officially offered any or all three of these positions, I would need to start with them very soon. I might be able to give a week's notice but not more than two, to be sure.

In short, once these jobs are ON the table, I have to decide quickly whether they meet more needs than just money for my family and me. Because these are jobs in the creative/performing arts field, once they're OFF the table, there's no telling when the chance to get jobs like them will come up again.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 May 13 - 01:45 PM

Although very badly paid, it supplements my pension income enough to pay for a couple of weeks in the sun, which my wife badly needs for her health problems.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Acorn4
Date: 29 May 13 - 01:52 PM

This might be slightly relevant:-



Blue Arsed Fly


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: selby
Date: 29 May 13 - 01:56 PM

A mate of mine retired and took to his hobby of restoring an old car and loved it, he finished the car off and searched for another specific car to restore, which he finally located, he now is struggling to finish the restoration of his second car as the hobby he enjoyed has become more like a job and he is not enjoying it at all. May be relevant to you or not but the green grass you see in the future sometimes gets a bit straggly.
Keith


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Musket
Date: 29 May 13 - 03:45 PM

I would never try to urge people against following a dream.

However, many of my contemporaries and fellow band members went professional and I never did, (amazing what a baby and mortgage can do for a 21 year old....) Whilst I envied their ability to do what they do good and enjoy on a regular basis, I suppose it was the "I have to do this to pay the bills" that I don't envy.

I enjoy the odd gig with bands, and am flattered when I am remembered. I also enjoy getting up at a folk club from time to time and play whatever comes into my head. No deadline to refresh and learn a new set.

There are some performers who have been professional most of their working lives and I wonder, just wonder, when you are around retiring age, whether 200 different small hotels a year is worth it? I look at Martin Simpson, Vin Garbutt, Ralph McTell, Martin Carthy and others and I sincerely hope they have such a busy work schedule because they enjoy it, rather than feeling an obligation.

With the backstop of a pension and your health, it sounds a wonderful idea but working your hobby doesn't work for everyone.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,Big Ballad Singer once again cookie-less
Date: 29 May 13 - 04:19 PM

With my current job, I have no medical benefits. We have state-paid benefits that cover our whole family because our children are under 18. I could not afford the benefits my company offers for sale even if I needed them. The rates are astronomical.

There is no pension since I work as a contractor. I am only 39 years old and there is no vestment or tenure in my field.

The ONE positive in this job is that I get paid VERY well for a job that usually pays far less than half my wage for an average-aged person with a couple of years' experience and usually up to about 50-60% for a person with more years of experience who may be considered a low-grade 'supervisor' of some type. I make what some account-management employees make. Yes, the money is super.

The job is crap. My authority is routinely undermined, I do superfluous tasks because there are other people who have more clearances than I do who also do what I do, at the same time on the same days. I was originally hired to do what they did not have the manpower to do on their own. That is no longer an issue.

Anyway, I say all that to say I'm not moving from this job until I have hard offers from the others, and there will have to be definite contracts involved. I am, however, going to live out these passions of mine and make a living for my family at them. Not IF, just WHEN. :-)


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 May 13 - 06:04 PM

I wish I had aday job --- and if I had one--as always, it would be playing my music.


But I do love to hear you all pick and sing!!

Art Thieme
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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: mg
Date: 30 May 13 - 01:29 AM

you say you could cut your present job hours..it looks like you are making 5k almost per month..is that us? It is good money..what if you cut hours to 40 per week, made around 4 k or so, and spent more itme with your family and took the occasional gig...there is something so nice about having enough money...could your wife bring some in part time?


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,the cookie-free Big Ballad Singer
Date: 30 May 13 - 08:17 AM

mg, it's in the neighborhood of 4 a month. Ish. Around. Thereabouts.

I'm already cutting my hours as of mid-June. I will be down to about 42 hours per week and 8 hours of commute time weekly. A substantial addition to my free time, family time & emotional well-being. I will still be pulling in a little more than 3 a month.

I've got some paying gigs coming up and I am starting to hear back from the other employers. We'll see what develops.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 13 - 10:53 AM

What does your 'day job' mean to you...

Provides time and money to support a life. Something to walk away from and forget about at closing time. Takes up about 40 hours each week, leaving 128 hour to do other stuff.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,Big Ballad Singer once again
Date: 30 May 13 - 12:26 PM

40 hours at this job would be a drop of nearly 20 hours from my current schedule.

Support a life? I barely see my wife and children each week. The majority of my life is spent at work.

Walk away from? Let's just say that some things I see each day burn into your mind.

Right now, my work schedule is 54 hours per week. My commute is two hours per day. That's 64 hours each week. Then there's the hour each morning getting ready to leave and the "get home/change/decompress/answer everything I can't do at work" hour each evening. 74 hours. Those hours are non-negotiable; that's why in order to even see my children out of pajamas on a weekday, I'm already cutting out a day starting next month.

I have two hours on Monday, Wednesday and Friday between getting home and sleeping. Tuesdays and Thursdays, I have one hour at most. Saturday, if we're all up early and stay up late, we might have 14 hours together as a family. Sunday has volunteer work involved, so we have maybe 6 hours of totally free time. That's 28 hours.

128 hours a week of free time is an illusion. I actually sleep during many of those hours because it's necessary.

Now, remind me why taking a pay cut to do what I love and be closer to home and have my children by my side and have way less stress is a bad idea. I don't see it.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,Well-meaning
Date: 30 May 13 - 02:46 PM

Will this remind you?

Subject: When is it time to 'call it a day'?
From: Big Ballad Singer
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 01:28 AM

I started playing guitar as a young teenager. I've been singing for over 30 years. I began singing in church choirs at age 7 and have performed solo or with groups for about 20 years now.

I used to gig with bands and as part of a duo. We worked, the duo especially, about 6 times a month or so. We also ran an open-mic that we were paid to host. The money wasn't great, but it was over 10 years ago and the economy and our particular region of the country were much better off back then.

It's not like I haven't gigged before; it's just that there's nowhere near me where I could even GET a paying gig. It's all top-40 rock bands and classic-rock-cover bands around me.

As I have mentioned in other threads, I have physical problems that make finding work very difficult. If Medicaid (US-govt-sponsored charity so-called 'health-care') doesn't approve surgery for my cataract, I will lose my driver's license the next time I have to renew.

I've been out of work for 19 months now. I left a good-paying job in a nice town to move back to my hometown area. I moved with the promise of a job waiting for me. That job fell through, and the repeated promises of that particular company that they would find me another position never came through, either. I eventually found work, but left due to the aforementioned physical problems and other issues at that job.

All this time, I've been trying and trying to find gigs. There are plenty of open-mic nights, and I am always well-received at those, but they are at venues that do not book 'folk'-type performers. That, of course, means that I am not getting offers for gigs no matter how well I go over in those rooms.

There are places in my state and in my region that DO feature my sort of music or 'style', if you will, but getting to them involves travel, which involves fuel costs, which involve money, which thing I do not have.

Now that financial pressures and the threat of losing utilities (again) are looming large, I have had to put the remainder of my music gear up for sale.

I'm taking this all to mean that this singing/playing/performing thing just isn't a viable option for me. I'm not sure whether that's true "for now", or more permanently.

Anyway, my question to you all is this: If you, or someone you know, came to a decision to stop performing, whether temporarily or more long-term, how and why did you make that choice? Were there definite 'signs', so to speak, that whatever you were doing just wasn't cutting it?

This might just be me feeling really sorry for myself because I am in a terrible bind in life right now.

The only performing option I have left that makes any logistical and/or financial sense right now is playing on the street for change or playing outside churches when Mass lets out.

At least if I'm playing something, it won't look or feel TOO much like begging.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,the OP
Date: 30 May 13 - 04:46 PM

I don't need reminding about that, TYVM. The fact is that I'm not asking whether I should leave a steady job for a string of one-off gigs, I'm asking whether it makes sense for me to transition into some work where my enjoyment, satisfaction and use of my creative skills will all be enhanced.

Someone has to be able to do what they love to do when the chance is there, right?

Oh, and as pertains to the post I made TWO YEARS AGO, the economic climate in my area has changed somewhat. There are now smaller venues open that are able to pay for live music, even if it's not a ton of money. Taking some of this other work instead of my current job would free up much of my commute time and my schedule, so I will be able to put more effort into getting local music work.

I'm sure that much of the sentiment in this thread about my current job situation is largely affected by the fact that none of you know me personally. If you did, you would know how profoundly my current job is affecting me and my family, and, with the exception of the money, not for the good.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: mg
Date: 31 May 13 - 03:48 AM

is it the excessive hours or the work itself? if it is the hours, i vote for cutting back, using the commute time on bus if you can to read, etc., or if you drive to listen to music perhaps...i think keeping a good payi8ng job is so important..and you could get some gigs, do some events you set up yourself..but you would not be dependent on them for money so you could risk a bit, enjoy yourself, have your family with you. now might be the time to be with your family and do less of the work you love and increase it as they get older...especially as your wife seems to want you to stay in the job it sounds like...I am not convinced of the benefits of home schooling in all cases and if it is too much of a burden on you or your wife and prevents her from bringing in at least a part time income i would reconsider it.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 31 May 13 - 03:54 AM

You say above that there's no surity of security with these other more fun jobs. And that if the work dries up then the money does too. If so you'd be back to square one.

With eight hours of commute / 2 per day, sounds like you're working a four day week right, long working hours in the week and a long weekend?


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 31 May 13 - 07:08 AM

"I'm sure that much of the sentiment in this thread about my current job situation is largely affected by the fact that none of you know me personally. If you did, you would know how profoundly my current job is affecting me and my family,"

That's true, however you also said up-thread that both your wife and close friends have cautioned against this proposed change. Either way, it sounds like you've made your decision already. I hope it works out for you, and your family.


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Subject: RE: What does your 'day job' mean to you...
From: Mooh
Date: 31 May 13 - 07:59 AM

Years ago I traded a great paying job as a union negotiator, mostly on the road and in offices, for a mediocre paying music job at home. Never been happier, even though it took a stress leave from one to force me into the other. The pay has vastly improved, though will never approach what I was earning previously, and the work is great rewarding and satisfying stuff. Wouldn't change it for anything.

There's a limit to the number of hours one should work.

Peace, Mooh.


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