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Obit:: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) [2013]
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Subject: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: gnu Date: 29 May 13 - 04:14 PM http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/05/29/obit-morgentaler.html RIP and thanks for fighting for the rights of women in Canada. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 29 May 13 - 04:30 PM Pity no-one fought successfully for the rights of all those unborn babies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: bobad Date: 29 May 13 - 04:39 PM This should be good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Little Hawk Date: 29 May 13 - 04:52 PM (sigh) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: bobad Date: 29 May 13 - 05:01 PM I, for one had much admiration for Henry. I knew someone who availed herself of his services back in 1969, when he was still operating more or less underground, to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. For me unwanted children are a greater tragedy than abortion. As Henry, an Auschwitz survivor said: ""By fighting for reproductive freedom, and making it possible, I have made a contribution to a safer and more caring society where people have a greater opportunity to realize their full potential...."Well-loved children grow into adults who do not build concentration camps, do not rape and do not murder." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 May 13 - 05:07 PM It's a pity people can't keep their noses out of private decisions that should only be between a woman and her doctor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Don Firth Date: 29 May 13 - 05:23 PM I've had my share of discussions with "right-to-life," anti-abortion advocates, and characteristically they don't care diddly-squat what happens to mother and baby after the baby is born. So a teen-aged girl gets herself in trouble, is forced to have the baby, and both she and her unwanted baby wind up living on welfare for the rest of their lives—when she might have gone on to college, made a real contribution to society, married, and raised a brood of loved and wanted children. As Stilly says, that should be strictly between a woman and her doctor. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 May 13 - 06:47 PM If we lived in a world in which children received proper education for relationships (not just the sex education they get from internet pornography), in which contraception and contraceptive advice were free and advocated, in which we fought against social inequality, and in which we stopped religion from moralising at women, belittling them and preaching ignorance, we would hardly ever have to worry about abortion. Dr Henry struck a great blow. What a shame we allow religious intolerance to negate his good work. I wonder what he thought of Mother Teresa. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Richard Bridge Date: 29 May 13 - 07:07 PM Of course today prophylaxis is a necessary part of teaching too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: bobad Date: 29 May 13 - 07:18 PM Unless prophylaxis is defined as abstinence until marriage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,bankley Date: 29 May 13 - 09:01 PM I met him once in Montreal and had the privilege to thank him for his courage and shake his hand. One of the great Canadians. RIP Doctor HM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 May 13 - 09:08 PM It's one part of teaching. But the main part of teaching is getting children to possess the skills to respect themselves, respect others, see relationships as equal partnerships and have the confidence and knowledge to make good decisions for themselves. That lot is not just the job of the biology teacher or the school nurse or some fellow specially drafted in from outside. It is every adult's role. And, above all, religion, the true champion of high abortion numbers, must be sidelined. There is no place for people who teach that sex is an area beset by moral turbulence, that women are secondary citizens (tell me a big religion that doesn't adhere to that), that ignorance is a good thing, that contraceptives are the work of the devil or that practices such as abstinence or the rhythm method, which go against human nature, are somehow virtuous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: ChanteyLass Date: 29 May 13 - 09:58 PM I am glad that I never was in a situation where I considered abortion. I had one pregnancy which resulted in the birth of my much-loved son. At the time I was happily married and employed at a job I loved. I believe that the decision to have an abortion should be made by the woman. It should be safe, legal, and affordable. Otherwise, women will seek illegal abortions which may be unsafe (anyone see that episode in the second season of Call the Midwife?) or try to self-abort. My dream is that at some future time no woman will be in circumstances that make her want an abortion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: LilyFestre Date: 29 May 13 - 10:17 PM I'm with Stilly. Absolutely a decision between a woman and her doctor. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 May 13 - 11:30 PM Yeah!...and leave the father absolutely out of it!...What do MEN know about loving or caring about a child anyway??!!!??...Right, Don?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 May 13 - 04:52 AM So a teen-aged girl gets herself in trouble, is forced to have the baby, and both she and her unwanted baby wind up living on welfare for the rest of their lives The teen girl could have the baby and offer it for adoption to a caring but childless couple who will give it all the love and attention it deserves. The teen girl could have the baby and love and care for it herself, going on to become a role model for single parents everywhere. The baby could become the a famous artist or scientist or anything. Why, Don, should the decision just be either have an abortion or live a futile life of poverty? This type of portrayal of a teen girls options is not only untrue but demeaning to all the teen mothers who have successfully brought up their children to be fine people and have lived full and rich lives themselves. While I agree that the primary decision has to come from the mother to be there should be some consideration for the father and, to a lesser extent, the extended family who will all either benefit or suffer from the birth of the child. It is a woman's right to choose but she should remember that the choices are many and need not be taken at this particularly vulnerable time. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 May 13 - 04:53 AM Apologies to the opening poster for the thread hijack BTW. Condolences to the good doctors family and friends. D. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: gnu Date: 30 May 13 - 06:26 AM No apologies required. I knew it. I said what I wanted to say. If I wanted to discuss abortion I would have searched for an appropriate thread. I even put "(abortion)" in the title so anyone adverse to the topic in any way would be warned that they needn't open it. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 May 13 - 09:56 AM The teen girl could have the baby and offer it for adoption and Yeah!...and leave the father absolutely out of it!. The one who is doing all of the work and taking all of the risks ultimately has to have the final decision. SRS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 May 13 - 10:33 AM They do, Stilly, they do. All I was pointing out is that the decision is not as simple as abortion or a ruined life, as Don seemed to be implying. The other quote was not made by me. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Charmion Date: 30 May 13 - 11:09 AM For many women, the choice is just that limited: abortion, or a ruined life. The fact that some women have more options than they are aware of at the moment of greatest stress does not change the reality of those for whom the range of options is starkly limited. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 May 13 - 11:40 AM Dave the Gnome: "The other quote was not made by me." That's correct...it was made by me, and was meant to be facetious, because somehow the pro-'choice' folks seem to think it only took one to make the baby!....they also think something must die, so that irresponsible 'fun' should not be in jeopardy. they would also like to diminish the role of parents, because in their minds, they prefer an almighty government, should reign supreme, regardless of people!....and the natural instincts of self preservation and reproduction!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 May 13 - 11:43 AM The other quote was from Gust. I didn't attribute either to avoid making it a personal conversation. Just picked up on those points. Don was reporting what is the case for a lot of people. The quality of life for the woman and her children is a vital part of the decision-making process. Rational thought is what sets us above the rest of the animal kingdom, motherhood isn't inevitable and all things aren't equal when one starts down that path. Decisions about the life that one can offer a child, and the life that the woman will lead if she embarks upon motherhood, in addition to the complex health questions, are all part of the mix that she needs to discuss with her doctor and whoever else she feels is entitled to offer advice in the decision. No one else has a say in her life, especially not total strangers who are only concerned with bringing others around to their own religious world view. SRS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: MGM·Lion Date: 30 May 13 - 11:56 AM But don't forget that here in England we think the best contraceptive is a good strong cup of tea. Before or after? Instead of... |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 May 13 - 12:24 PM A great Canadian and fighter for a woman's right to decide. Rest In Peace |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 May 13 - 12:26 PM Silly Drivel Rage: "The quality of life for the woman and her children is a vital part of the decision-making process." ..and men are unequal pieces of shit, right? They had nothing to do with any of it, right??..just ask..."Don was reporting what is the case for a lot of people." Silly Drivel Rage: "Rational thought is what sets us above the rest of the animal kingdom, motherhood isn't inevitable and all things aren't equal when one starts down that path." Boy, does that smack the face of a lot of 'so-called liberal' blathering beliefs!! This is a first!!..Liberals admitting that humans are above animals....shhhh, don't tell PETA..or the Sierra Club, or a couple other of the nutcase, lunatic fringe groups! Silly Drivel Rage: "Decisions about the life that one can offer a child, and the life that the woman will lead if she embarks upon motherhood, in addition to the complex health questions, are all part of the mix that she needs to discuss with her doctor and whoever else she feels is entitled to offer advice in the decision. Doctor??..you mean the IRS, who will be in charge of Obamacare?? I mean You certainly left out the PARENTS of the girl who got pregnant, and then go on about.."the life that the woman will lead if she embarks upon motherhood,"....such double standard hypocrisy is beyond belief of rational thinking!!!...but the 'so-called' liberals tend to get entangles with their own lame rhetoric...trying to make sense of both ends. Silly drivel Rage: "No one else has a say in her life, especially not total strangers who are only concerned with bringing others around to their own religious world view." Not even the father??..you mean THAT total stranger??? Maybe he was a 'religious zealot' who 'God' told him to do it'!!??!! Maybe it was the irresponsibility of the stupid bitch that just HAD to fuck someone, that her fucked up 'instincts' told her was a wonderful guy...maybe it was status, maybe he was 'cute', maybe he was a smooth talker(ask Don about that one), maybe it was to impress someone..maybe she was sorta horny, maybe she could fantasized that she could be 'loved'...who knows?...but this same silly bitch, makes the decision on what or who must die, to cover up any trace of stupidity, and then gets honored with.." whoever else she feels is entitled to offer advice in the decision." You want 'good advice'???....Keep your legs closed! You want free 'birth control??..use aspirin, hold it tightly together with your knees, and stop making bullshit rationalizations for stupid, impulsive, SHALLOW reasons that end in her getting knocked up!...I mean, if she's going to be a whore, why complicate it with being s stupid whore???......besides, what do her parents, or the father know about anything???????????????????? GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Amos Date: 30 May 13 - 12:36 PM Gusty, many young women who are not whores, sluts, or any other of those ridiculous condescending chauvinistic moralizing categories lose their virginity before they have quite realized all the consequences thereof; and for a good many,t hose consequences include finding oneself pregnant. Before you can count yourself entitled to hand out smears and rabid judgements on such young women, I should ythink you would want to stand in their shoes for a bit and see how things look to you. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 May 13 - 12:37 PM For many women, the choice is just that limited: abortion, or a ruined life. I cannot see it myself, Charmion, but I will accept that you may well know better. I cannot understand how anyone can be so definite that their life will be ruined by having a child, unless of course there are definite medical reasons. And even if they were certain, would giving the child up for adoption to someone who cannot have children themselves not be another option too? I will certainly not argue against the right of a woman to make the final decision but I would like to ensure that she receives full support and unbiased advice. When abortion agencies make money out of abortions how can they give balanced advice? But I would never suggest anyone take GfS's advice either! DtG |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 May 13 - 01:02 PM Guest Gusty, what a lot of drivel. SRS, I agree with your one-line statement. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Greg F. Date: 30 May 13 - 01:27 PM Gusty, Before you can count yourself entitled to hand out smears and rabid judgements on such young women, I should think you would want to stand in their shoes ... Converesely, Amos, he could just go fuck himself for the idiot that he is. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 30 May 13 - 01:28 PM Bravo, Guest from Same Old Shit. Still ferreting out and obliterating liberal hypocrisy wherever you find it with only words for a weapon. An example of your deadly eloquence: "Maybe it was the irresponsibility of the stupid bitch that just HAD to fuck someone, that her fucked up 'instincts' told her was a wonderful guy...maybe it was status, maybe he was 'cute', maybe he was a smooth talker(ask Don about that one), maybe it was to impress someone..maybe she was sorta horny, maybe she could fantasized that she could be 'loved'...who knows?...but this same silly bitch, makes the decision on what or who must die, to cover up any trace of stupidity, and then gets honored with.." whoever else she feels is entitled to offer advice in the decision." You want 'good advice'???....Keep your legs closed! You want free 'birth control??..use aspirin, hold it tightly together with your knees, and stop making bullshit rationalizations for stupid, impulsive, SHALLOW reasons that end in her getting knocked up!...I mean, if she's going to be a whore, why complicate it with being s stupid whore???......besides, what do her parents, or the father know about anything???????????????????? GfS" Now reread that and try to understand what a mysoginistic jackass you are. You should be ashamed. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 May 13 - 02:08 PM What's wrong with parents actually teaching their young ones the value of not being sexually loose???? Why must all this bantering about remedial, and NEEDLESS operations???? Why must society always be responsible to come to the 'aid' of the willingly stupid? You fuck...you might get pregnant....you fuck AROUND (the community) you might have an unwanted child...Where is the fucking campaign to 'clue in' some of these IDIOTS, who do not think that fucking around, is just THAT...FUCKING AROUND?? Why is it the 'so-called liberals' do not address the issue that most abortions are performed on blacks, AND repeaters????...Maybe it's a way of hiding their own bigotry! GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 30 May 13 - 02:40 PM GfSOS- "Why is it the 'so-called liberals' do not address the issue that most abortions are performed on blacks, AND repeaters????...Maybe it's a way of hiding their own bigotry! GfS" What point are you trying to make there, dumbass? |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Don Firth Date: 30 May 13 - 02:57 PM Well, I think we have a pretty good idea of Goofball's moral center. With him, there is no romance, no love, no caring for each other. With him a woman who has sex is, ipso facto a "whore." And love boils down to one thing: "Fucking." He has no concept of a romantic relationship between a man and a woman and everything that goes with it. Romeo and Juliet were just a couple of horny teen-agers hell-bent on "fucking" each other. They both wound up dead, so they got what they deserved. Goofball thinks with his crotch. And he obviously believes everyone else does too. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 May 13 - 03:15 PM they also think something must die, so that irresponsible 'fun' should not be in jeopardy. Every time you 'ave a wank, Guffers, 100 million sperms die in your belly button. So isn't it about time you stopped being a wanker? |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 May 13 - 03:36 PM Don..OF ALL PEOPLE!!! This coming from YOU????!!!! Listen, you pedantic idiot, I was married BEFORE I had sex with her..something that seemed to NEVER have crossed yourself inflated mind! Why is it that the 'so-called' hypocritical imaginary 'left' seem to favor abortions OVER parents instilling a sense of morality, or consequences to their young??? Is it because they can't imagine that parents could do that....based on their own mishandling of their own kids??..or was it that they just couldn't give a damn?? The way I figure it, start from the highest priority....the rest is just remedial!!! ...is it not? OR, go out and encourage your daughters to fuck indiscriminately, and just go get an abortion...after all, it IS a government handout...no consequences, nothing to learn, nothing to care about!..in other words a bunch of irresponsible idiots raising a bunch more irresponsible brats! If you don't think so, maybe you are the ones who should have been aborted..I mean, if you're going to recommend something, shouldn't it be something YOU are willing to have done to you??? Fucking hypocrites! GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 30 May 13 - 03:43 PM Even if it were possible for me to have a say in it(you dumbass), I would have I would have left that decision to my mother. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Don Firth Date: 30 May 13 - 04:38 PM Goofball: "Why is it that the 'so-called' hypocritical imaginary 'left' seem to favor abortions OVER parents instilling a sense of morality, or consequences to their young???" You are trumpeting your abysmal ignorance again, Goofy. It is us "loony Liberals" who are arguing to get decent sex education in the schools, so that kids with parents who are, themselves, not knowledgeable enough to teach them the "facts of life" and give them a good moral sense will still get the needed education. I do not favor abortions, especially as a means of birth control, but depending on the individual circumstances, this may be the only reasonable option. Say, for example, a woman who has a benign uterine tumor and has been advised by her doctor not to get pregnant inadvertently becomes pregnant anyway due to a failure of her birth control method. The final say should be between the woman and her doctor over terminating the pregnancy. NOT some idiot politician with a religious or "right to life" agenda (what about the woman's right to life?). Nor an ignoramus like YOU! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 May 13 - 04:46 PM Firth: "It is us "loony Liberals" who are arguing to get decent sex education in the schools, so that kids with parents who are, themselves, not knowledgeable enough to teach them the "facts of life" and give them a good moral sense will still get the needed education." Describe a "It is us "loony Liberals" who are arguing to get decent sex education in the schools..." Firth: "so that kids with parents who are, themselves, not knowledgeable enough to teach them the "facts of life" and give them a good moral sense will still get the needed education." ...and then describe how or why this happens. Seems to me, you'd favor educating the parents! GfS P.S. Seems to me, given your history, you could have been a bit more 'better educated' yourself....and yet, STILL you can't get over the fact that it was YOU, who was never taught to give a shit! It's always been about you! |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST Date: 30 May 13 - 05:12 PM SSDD |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Don Firth Date: 30 May 13 - 05:37 PM Goofball: "Seems to me, given your history, you could have been a bit more 'better educated' yourself....and yet, STILL you can't get over the fact that it was YOU, who was never taught to give a shit! It's always been about you!" You don't know diddly-squat about my history, and I am quite well-educated—unlike yourself. You make all of this stuff up out of your petty, squalid little mind, with absolutely NO understanding of matters of love, romance, and overriding obligations that can tragically prevent two people from being together. You are a liar and a TOTAL SWINE! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 May 13 - 05:51 PM Another NON-answer!..along with the typical name calling...and you SAY you had a good education?????? How come you knocked up a chick and didn't stay around to raise the child then? Maybe you don't know squat about what you are proselytizing about.....AGAIN!! It certainly won't be the first time! Go ahead, describe what you say would be a 'good sex education'....then describe why you seemed to have never had one!.....Perhaps it was a lack of moral character?? ...so you became a 'social activist"....figures! You remind me of governmental building inspectors..in other words, contractors who couldn't make it as a contractor! GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST Date: 30 May 13 - 06:31 PM See Puff. See Spot. See Spot jump the wall. Spot has defected. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: gnu Date: 30 May 13 - 07:35 PM "Silly Drivel Rage" Guest Fuckin Stupid? You seriously are outta whack. SRS musta got the last bit a class and brains in the lineup fer same just as the sign was set out fer you to leave at closin time. Too bad you didn't bother to go back the next day to see if you could get some class and brains or at least some decent manners ya twit. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 May 13 - 08:42 PM No she doesn't...her ideology keeps her from learning anything more than the ideology's mantra...and that's class??? I call it brain-lock! GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: frogprince Date: 30 May 13 - 08:52 PM On the other hand, there is certainly no reason to characterize a man who screams "slut" and "whore" at every woman who has ever experienced an unwanted pregnancy as being brain-locked and unable to learn anything more than the language of his ideology. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 May 13 - 10:07 PM Don't know any men like that....and neither do you! GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 May 13 - 12:21 AM From the original link to the Dr. Morgentaler obit: In the late 1960s, Morgentaler dedicated his energies to family planning issues, including abortions. Wise man. SRS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 May 13 - 04:10 AM While that may or may not be true, to some, others have also the right to not see it that way, for one of several reasons, including those of certain religions...therefore, just as much as the woman may exercise, that right, the others should be as respected, as well....and some of those people do not wish to provide, in anyway, to something that is against their beliefs. The woman may or may not see that as killing a being, and others may view that differently....and in a 'free'(?) society, as much as the woman may insist on it(free abortions), the other group (call them 'conscientious objectors', for whatever reason), insist that they want no part of it, well, that should be as respected, as well. Perhaps they should be able to opt out on funding something they believe is wrong...as well as providing any financial assistance, for the procedure....and if that covers birth control, so be it. Now, WHO'S got the 'freedom issue'??????????? ...and that is at the core, of the political controversy. ..as for myself, I raised my kids in a way that they have done wonderful for themselves, raising great families, nobody's got any abortions, and my daughter, has TWO of her children, winning top honors in their school district......and nobody is fucking their classmates, or friends, or acquaintances,...or selling it on the street.....and politics had NOTHING to do with it...I assure you! Now wouldn't that be better to promote? GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Megan L Date: 31 May 13 - 05:05 AM On the whole the male of the species is larger and stronger than the female unfortunately to many of them also appear not to understand the word NO. Most of the people in mudcat are surely old enough to remember the days of backroom abortions and the resulting horrible deaths, often married women who had men who wanted his pleasure regardless of the suffering it caused. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: alanabit Date: 31 May 13 - 05:17 AM Farewell to the good doctor. May men always keep everything out of women's bodies which women do not want - including their "morals". |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Charmion Date: 31 May 13 - 07:30 AM Dr Morgentaler's campaign was all about enusuring that the procedure was, and is, available to those who need it, and delivered both safely and in a timely manner. None of that included insisting that the procedure be covered by taxpayer-funded provincial health plans -- and, in fact, his clinic was originally a cash-on-the-barrelhead enterprise, strictly user-pay. After the decriminalization of abortion in 1969, his political efforts focussed on securing the right to establish free-standing clinics, outside hospitals and away from the control of their (usually all-male) Abortion Committees. In Canada, the primary issue is not who pays for abortions; it is the availability of timely service, which seems to require independence of action for both service providers and patients. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 May 13 - 12:41 PM Rep. Doug Cox (R-OK) wrote this: This May Be The Greatest Letter Any Elected Republican Has Ever Written Is my thinking too clouded by my experiences in the real world? Experiences like having a preacher, in the privacy of an exam room say, "Doc, you have heard me preach against abortion but now my 15-year-old daughter is pregnant, where can I send her?" Or maybe it was that 17-year-old foreign exchange student who said, "I really made a mistake last night. Can you prescribe a morning-after pill for me? If I return to my home country pregnant, life as I know it will be over." . . . SRS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 31 May 13 - 01:03 PM Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From:GUEST,gillymor Date: 30 May 13 - 02:40 PM GfSOS- "Why is it the 'so-called liberals' do not address the issue that most abortions are performed on blacks, AND repeaters????...Maybe it's a way of hiding their own bigotry! GfS" What point are you trying to make there, dumbass? Still waiting for an answer. Until it comes I'll just assume you are a virulent racist, dumbass. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 13 - 01:50 AM SRS: "What happened to the Republican Party that felt that the government has no business being in an exam room, standing between me and my patient?" What happened to the Democratic Party that felt that the IRS has business being in an exam room, standing between me and my patient? SRS: "Where did the party go that felt some decisions in a woman's life should be made not by legislators and government, but rather by the women, her conscience, her doctor and her God?" "Nurse, get me the gauze ....scalpel...... wipe ......hemostats .....OK...just got to ties it off.... got it, looks like a successful procedure." "Gosh Doctor God, You're the greatest!" Somehow that doesn't seem to work....now does it? ...but it was pithy political rhetoric just the same, SRS GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Jun 13 - 10:06 AM You have no ability to stay on the topic, do you, Gust. You just attack and stir things up. It makes me wonder why on earth I bothered to track you down and let others know when you went through a medical crisis a while back. You didn't mellow, become more introspective, or decide people meant well and could have differences of opinion. You're as nasty as ever. |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 13 - 12:24 PM SRS: "It makes me wonder why on earth I bothered to track you down and let others know when you went through a medical crisis a while back. You didn't mellow, become more introspective, or decide people meant well and could have differences of opinion." Well, you're right on one count. I DID go through a 'medical crisis'...got a good look at death, too....and guess what? Despite what 'politically popular notion' is out there, it ain't all over, on that 'other side'...being as energy cannot be created, nor destroyed. If you'd ever sit face to face, I'd LOVE to turn you on, to a first hand account of what you might expect. There is SO MUCH nonsense on this side, SO MUCH rationalization for bullshit on this side, that you'd get your mind blown!....and as far as me 'being nasty'...well, really not much more than honest. We, as a nation of people, have fucked up our priorities so BAD, that we call black white, up down, death life, 'good' 'bad'....and all to fit our 'conveniences', in catering to the physical realm...while ignoring the greater reality that we actually live in!!! Now if those two 'realities' seem to conflict with each other, I'm ALMOST sorry...but I didn't make the rules, nor the parameters..it is what it is.....and those who have 'gone before you'...you WILL recognize..but NOT by appearance, as you have known them here. REALLY, I wish I could just turn you or anyone on to it....but I guess in the interim, I'll be just thought of as a 'nasty' person, to those who can't see beyond their noses. As far as 'political' shit....it's SO miniscule, such a diversion, you'd be ashamed at how much energy has been diverted into it!!!...and believe it or not, I have absolutely NO interest, nor advantage, nor motive, in telling you otherwise. I'm not interested in Steve's take, Don's take, nor Greg's take...and far as I'm concerned, they are blinder than bats....when the greater, non-illusion reality is all around us all...complete with different laws of physics, order, priorities...and awareness. I've posted this before, and it is true....no matter how good you think you have it here, 'dying'(?), is like waking up from a bad dream.....and the amnesia of coming here, into this physical world, is over. True story! When I relayed 'certain things' regarding this to my cardiologist, she said, and this is an exact quote, "You know, I've lost several patients, through the years, who we were able to revive, I mean they were dead dead, and they all have pretty much told me the same thing you are telling me, so don't think I'm not very much open, to what you're saying. I believe you." ...and of most all those 'nasty posts', which I posted,..of all the satire, sarcasm, wit, or disgust that I've posted on here..some of which you've taken great exception to, this one, to you, is, and will be shown to you, is the one you'll remember....on both sides....because when it happens, you'll KNOW!!!....and it WILL match.....even though, the words I use now, will fall far short of the fuller reality. ...and personally, I don't give the remotest damn, of anyone's puerile 'opinion' about it, either. It is what it is! ...and really, go outside, take a deep breath....and have a GREAT day!!! Perhaps Surprisingly Warm Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Don Firth Date: 01 Jun 13 - 05:24 PM Oh, JEEZ! Now he's claiming that he's Divinely Inspired!! Nurse! Bring a couple attendants with the straitjacket, STAT!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 13 - 03:01 AM pathetic!...Even worse, coming from you. Give it time...give it time..You'll see. GfS |
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Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dr. Henry Morgentaler (abortion) From: Ed T Date: 02 Jun 13 - 10:30 AM Since the thread has already "drifted" I will take this opportunity to remind people of an important event July 20th to 28th is moth week. It's not to late to start planning your moth or moth-like events in observation (or participation), no matter what country you live or reside in. Moth week |
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