BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:46 PM

The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, president of the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny (BOND), a conservative nonprofit, made some contentious statements on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight" on Thursday. In addition to lambasting Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for inserting race into Trayvon Martin's death and George Zimmerman's subsequent trial, he called the 17-year-old shooting victim a "thug."

The exchange began with Peterson claiming that race played no role in the highly-publicized tragedy.

"This case was not about race at all and what happened - you have the race-hustlers and poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and others who turned it into a race issue in order to gain power and wealth," he charged.

Peterson also targeted President Barack Obama, calling his past comment about Martin ("You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon") "insane."

These statements, he said, were intended to "incite the anger of black Americans and others."

Morgan, clearly in disagreement with Peterson throughout the interview, asked if Zimmerman would have taken the same deadly action had Martin been, say, a white individual in a hoodie -- someone like Facebook billionaire Mark Zuckerberg. Peterson, not willing to back down, said that he believes the situation would have ended in the same manner.

"If the situation that happened with Trayvin and George had been the same, yes ... I imagine that the same outcome would have been the same," he said. "George Zimmerman would have done whatever it took to protect himself. It didn't matter to George Zimmerman the color of the man."

The interview became contentious when Peterson proclaimed that "Trayvon Martin was a thug." Morgan fervently disagreed and took exception to the fact that the faith leader said that everyone, including the television host and Martin's parents, knew this assertion to be true.

Morgan said, "Don't you speak for me," noting that "there's very little evidence that Trayvon Martin was a thug."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:45 PM

Thanks, GeistInsanity. Now bugger off home, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:34 PM

Greg, you're stretching so far, that you've re-confirmed that you are completely irrelevant...so much, that you are really 'hurting' the others who hold your position.
Just thought I'd tell you.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:29 PM

the three jurors who initially *wanted* to convict were finally persuaded by the testimony and the forensic evidence that they were wrong.

OR they just wanted to get it over with, already, and go home. That's ALSO how juries work.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:27 PM

The Prosecution removed a black from the jury, because he watched FOX TV-

In the light of several studies, BullshitBruce, that confirm that people who watch Faux "News" are considerably more ignorant, uninformed, misinformed and confused than people who watch no news at all, I think the removal was entirely appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:14 PM

Red Queen...I met Biff in Venice, California back in '68.. Truly a gifted man! He still is alive, living in Louisiana, I believe. I'm glad you listened to the songs!!..Mudcat could learn a fer things from them!!
He saw right through the 'left/right' illusion WAY back then!
BTW, I have another expression about that, but I didn't get it from 'Biff'(Paul),,"Right wing and left wing are on the same bird!"

Also, Bruce posted a comment, any comments on that??

Bruce: "Got to do something to get out the vote in 2014- Obama might well have a Republican Senate and House the last two year of his presidency.
Better race riots and martial law than that!"

Don Firth, in a post posted previously said that Obama would still be president in 2017....

Well, at least there is some common ground between the two sides...and NO comments?????????????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:11 PM

The verdict was indeed unanimous.

Which means that the three jurors who initially *wanted* to convict were finally persuaded by the testimony and the forensic evidence that they were wrong. That's how jury deliberations work. I've been on a jury.

By the way, Jimmy Carter has come out in support of the verdict on the basis of precisely that testimony and evidence.

Case closed.

I wish.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:47 AM

"Also it is reported that the vote on the verdict in the end was four to two, so not everybody thought as you do, that Zimmerman is innocent.
"


Where is this reported? I have not seen this- please ( politly requesting- you may have seen something I did not) provide a link, as all the reports I have seen indicate that the jury had to agree on a verdict, and all 6 did so- not guilty.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Red Queen
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:41 AM

GfS, I never heard of Biff until you posted a link here. Then I listened to all his songs on youtube and Molly is my favorite. It's so bittersweet.

Coincidentally, my sister died in a car accident 23 years ago this July 29th. Even though I was 28 at the time, I look back on that event as the real end of my childhood.

So there you go. Now we can both cry :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:39 AM

Thanks, biLL.
Dan, for these...
... people, Mudcat = hate. This is where they come to spew, and that's all they care about. That's why the fighting lasts past any attempted discussion of subjects. I wish we could quarantine them, but about all I can do is be grateful I don't have to be around them in Real Life and can not read most of their posts here.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:36 AM

At least six people were arrested Thursday night in San Bernardino after rocks and bottles were thrown and officers and pedestrians were attacked in a protest against the George Zimmerman trial verdict.

The incident began about 8 p.m. as marchers moved south along Highland Avenue and were joined by others not initially involved with what was a peaceful protest at that point, according to police.

Protesters ended up at a Jack in the Box restaurant near Waterman Avenue and Baseline Street and began hurling rocks and bottles at passing vehicles and officers who arrived at the scene, said Lt. Mike Madden of the San Bernardino Police Department.

"They just saw the opportunity for civil unrest," Madden told the Los Angeles Times.

Officers gave orders to disperse. At that point, groups of people took off running and began attacking and robbing pedestrians, according to police.

Two of the six people arrested were taken into custody on suspicion of strong-arm robbery, Madden said.

Police late Thursday were still monitoring roving groups of people in the streets.

"It's been a relatively active evening," Madden said.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:21 AM

What one who wanted to quit?


There were 6 jurors.

The one who spoke out stated that originally,
there were two that thought Zimmerman was guilty of manslaughter
and one who thought Zimmerman was guilty of 2nd degree murder.

2 + 1 -=3 , "three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, "

The REMAINING THREE thought Zimmerman was innocent.

Thus "The jury was initially split -- three and three along the line of guilt -- she said"


YOUR claim that "The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction." IS FALSE and a lie.

Are you pretending to be stupid, or are you really that dense???

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:21 AM

Oh and the doctor example, they did find him guilt of DWI ... Wow what punishment for killing a young teenage girl and leaving the scene huh ..

all the picking, talk shows, bullshit commentators ain't going to change the Zimmerman outcome its over

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:19 AM

Ahhh guys while you are name calling , the trial is over, he cannot be re-tried not in America .. Italy yes but not America. So it is what it is. If you want to blame someone blame the proscution. Murder two was never going to win .. manslaughter he would have won (I think) There was never a defined winning strategy for Murder Two unless there were other witnesses.

The justice system sometime doesn't do its job well and other times it does. Example, a big gun doctor in Buffalo. Golfing at his country club slamming down his scotch. Races home in his BMW , hits and kills a young girl on a skateboard. Never stops. He got off hired the most expensive big gun lawyer ... said he never knew he hit her yet his car is F'd up and the girl was torn to pieces. He gets off, the teenage girl should not have been on the highway one juror said ... What the F is that about.

Justice is sometimes, completely blind but it is what it is

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: number 6
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:14 AM

Well said Jeri !!!

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:13 AM

""YOU STATED: "
The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction"""

From your own post 3 for conviction, and one who wanted to quit.

So you are counting the wish to leave as a "not guilty".

I don't think it says that anywhere in your post so the impression YOU gave was three to two and that's what I said.

I've been through the interviews from end to end and seen no 3,2,1 mentioned.

Also it is reported that the vote on the verdict in the end was four to two, so not everybody thought as you do, that Zimmerman is innocent.

This case takes one back to the days in the nineteenth century when killing Chinese, Mexicans and especially Indians was not considered a crime, and even free black men couldn't by a drink in a saloon.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:05 AM

"
The woman was part of a six-person, all-female jury that found Zimmerman not guilty.
As the first juror to speak about the case, she offered insight into what happened behind closed doors.
The jury was initially split -- three and three along the line of guilt -- she said. Juror B37 was among those who believed Zimmerman was not guilty from the start.
There was one holdout, the juror said.
"She wanted to find him guilty of something, but couldn't because of the way the law is written. He wasn't responsible for negligible things that he had done leading up to that point," she said, stressing that she and the other jurors took their responsibility seriously."



http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/16/us/zimmerman-juror

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:58 AM

"and balances one black with five white."

The Prosecution removed a black from the jury, because he watched FOX TV-

MARK NEJAME, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: And that's what we were saying from the beginning. You know, sometimes I've been criticized by some who don't understand that a legal opinion is very different than a personal, a social, or a philosophical opinion. When you look at the composition of Seminole County, it's eleven percent African-American. And when you look at Sanford, it's 30 percent African-American. So when you subtract Sanford from the overall Seminole County, you have, you know, a very, very small minority, specifically African-American representation within Seminole County. So when in fact you condense that down to a jury, the odds of getting an African-American on the jury are very slim when you're in Seminole County.

COSTELLO: Although if I remember correctly one of the prosecutors struck a black, a potential black juror from the jury.

MICHAEL SKOLNICK, POLITICAL DIRECTOR TO RUSSELL SIMMONS, CO-PRESIDENT GLOBALGRIND.COM: Yeah, he was also, I was just, he was also a Fox News watcher. So that was, you know, problematic for the prosecution.

In case you were wondering, Skolnick is not a Zimmerman supporter or a conservative.

Besides being hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons' political director and the co-president of GlobalGrind.com, he's also on the board of directors of the Trayvon Martin Foundation.

That said, it appears black jurors were only going to be acceptable to the prosecution if they were liberals getting their "news" from Zimmerman-hating media outlets.

Martin supporters should keep that in mind as they complain about the makeup of the jury.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:48 AM

Greggie,

"
Cosby...says the recent trial did not prove that Zimmerman had racist motives

But that doesn't mean that there WEREN'T racist motives, does it BullshitBruce?"



And I don't KNOW that you and Bobert didn't string up blacks back in the 50's and 60's- but that does not mean I should accuse you of it...YET.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:45 AM

""OK, Don T...the big question is, WHY do YOU think it was designed to fail?...and, How far up do you think it went?

Here's your shot, go for it!""

Notwithstanding the presence of locally elected black officials, Florida is a state which is condoning, if not actively encouraging, a creeping return to the days of segregated schooling, and other aspects of the old Jim Crow culture.

Now I have a question for you, and I have absolutely no idea of what the answer will be (just to show that I am willing to be proved wrong).

In the Zimmerman case, how many black people, and how many white, were involved in the investigation and in the trial?

We already know that Florida's take on twelve good men and true, leaves men out of the equation, halves the number to six, and balances one black with five white.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:45 AM

"
1. Firstly Bruce, you owe me an apology for calling me a liar, and I have highlighted the reason in the first paragraph above.
"

No apology required, since your LIE is obvious.

YOU STATED: "
The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction"


THERE WERE 6 JURORS.

Three to Three, NOT Three to Two, WHICH IS WHAT I POINTED OUT.

So you owe me that apology, twice over.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:41 AM

Cosby...says the recent trial did not prove that Zimmerman had racist motives

But that doesn't mean that there WEREN'T racist motives, does it BullshitBruce?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:40 AM

Don,

Your posts prove that you pay little attention to facts, have already decided before the evidence is presented what you are willing to think, and NOT think, and that you are willing to lie even when it is not needed to say something, just to make you look right.

I think that the number of OPINIONS presented here by those YOU agree with exceed those I have posted- are you going UberMensch Bobert in making different rules for those you disagree with than those you apply to your racist "friends"?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:34 AM

"with three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, "

WHICH IS WHAT I SAID< YOU LYING NAZI SCUNSUCKER!!!!





2. The juror stated that three thought Z was innocent, two thought he was guilty of manslaughter, and 1 thought he was guilty of 2nd degree murder initially.


3 + 2 + 1 = 6


with three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, "

2+ 1 = 3

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:33 AM

BB, why do you keep posting other peoples' opinions.

I don't give a fuck what Bill Cosby believes.

His opinion carries no more certainty of being right than mine.

All your postings serve to prove that you either have no opinions of your own, or that the ones you do have are so shaky that you need a cuple of celebs to give the credibility.

Don T.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:31 AM

Trolling is popular everywhere. I supposed stimulating each other is why people keep at it in this type of thread. But the media has figured out if they can continue to keep people pissed off, people will join their club and shout the appropriate things when cued. They've learned how to mobilize mobs.

If you're shouting along with people you don't know about something of which you have absolutely no personal knowledge, condemning those whose personal business it IS, you're a tool.

Yes, I think we need to speak out against injustice, but if you think it's injustice just because your favorite cheerleaders tell you it is, you're a tool. If you just want to be a part of that movement, you're a tool. If you think you know better than jury members after the media feeds you selected bits of evidence and opinion, you're a tool. If you're surprised by WHO believes your team is wrong, you might be a tool.

Don't just question authority--question every fucking thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:27 AM

""CHARLES BARKLEY: Well, I agreed with the verdict.""

Oh well! If CHARLES BARKLEY agrees, that puts a whole new complexion on it..............NOT!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:23 AM

""Juror B37 said the jurors were initially divided on Zimmerman's guilt, with three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, but that the jury agreed to acquit the 29-year-old Zimmerman after more closely reviewing the law.

In a part of the interview that aired Tuesday, Juror B37 said it wouldn't have made much difference if Zimmerman had testified at trial since she believes he would have gave the same story he gave investigators in videotaped police interviews that were played at the trial.

Juror B37 said at one point it appeared they might be heading to a hung jury as another juror wanted to leave. The other jurors convinced her to stay.

Juror B37 said a block of concrete that defense attorney Mark O'Mara placed in front of jurors during closing arguments made an impression, as did photos of Zimmerman's bloodied head. She also believed Martin's actions contributed to his death.""

1. Firstly Bruce, you owe me an apology for calling me a liar, and I have highlighted the reason in the first paragraph above.

You also owe yourself a kick in the pants for not reading and comprehending this passage,which was posted by you in one of your interminable cut 'n pastes.

2. Juror B37 is also rather dumb, in that she reckons Zimmerman taking the stand would have made no difference. Obviously she has never heard of cross examination, which would have highlighted Zimmerman's smugly dismissive attitude to the killing of a human being. Zimmerman, throughout, has shown no more concern or regret than one might expect had he stepped on a cockroach.

This might well have swayed the only honest participants in this farce, the jury, and resulted in a different verdict.

Finally, unless the defence was claiming that Trayvon Martin carried and/or used that block of concrete as a weapon, it should not have been allowed to make an impression on the jury. Another abysmal failure of the judge to nullify a cheap lawyer's trick.

I'm also not surprised that one juror wanted to leave. The law might force an acquittal based on the incomplete evidence permitted to be heard by the jury. But I would have strong feelings of being contaminated had I been party to the result.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:10 AM

Got to do something to get out the vote in 2014- Obama might well have a Republican Senate and House the last two year of his presidency.

Better race riots and martial law than that!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:01 AM

Barkley has it right!

The BIG question, is WHY???....Why was the prosecution purposely fucking up the case???...because they were racists???...OR...using the race issue, to stir shit up??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:00 AM

Comedian Bill Cosby says the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the death of Florida teen isn't about racism.
Cosby, an outspoken voice on cultural issues, says the recent trial did not prove that Zimmerman had racist motives at any point during his confrontation with Martin. That means race shouldn't be a part of the conversation regarding the case.
"Let's not go into a racial discussion unless we really have something there," he told radio hosts Domenick Nati and Nate Foutz.
Cosby also blasted the news media and said that he had stopped paying attention to "high-profile" court cases after the Casey Anthony murder trial because journalists were so convinced she would be found guilty and yet she was not....
Regarding the Zimmerman trial, Cosby said that he did not think the state of Florida was able to prove its case against him. "I found that the prosecution did not tell the story well. And they lost," Cosby said.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:54 AM

OK, Don T...the big question is, WHY do YOU think it was designed to fail?...and, How far up do you think it went?

Here's your shot, go for it!

Red Queen, 'Molly' was one of my brother's very favorite songs, before he died in a car accident, in central Florida, I might add.

Are you into Biff? Personally, I thought/think he's a fucking genius, in his lyrics, his piano chops, and his ability to go where he goes to grab it...and thought so since I first heard him in the '60's. When music, or any art holds up in time, and still works, you KNOW!!
His stuff is as relevant today, as it was 46 years ago, when he wrote it!...in fact, MOST of the ideologues, should have such a clue!!
To bad they're blocked...constipation of the brain!....and what makes it worse....they figured out how to type!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:51 AM

CHARLES BARKLEY: Well, I agreed with the verdict. I feel sorry that young kid got killed. But they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Something clearly went wrong that night. Clearly something went wrong. I feel bad for anybody who loses a kid, but if you looked at the case and you don't make it -- there was some racial profiling, no question about it. But something happened that changed the dynamic of that night, and I know -- that's probably not a popular opinion among most people but just looking at the evidence I agreed with the verdict.

I just feel bad because I don't like when race gets out in the media because I don't think the media has a pure heart, as I call it. There are very few people have a pure heart when it comes to race. Racism is wrong in any, shape, form -- a lot of black people are racist too. I think sometimes when people talk about racism, they say only white people are racist. There are a lot of black people who are racist. I don't like when it gets out there in the media because I don't think the media has clean hands.

MARIA BARTIROMO, CNBC: I'm glad you made that point.

BARKLEY: Obviously I feel sorry that young kid got killed but just judging by the evidence, I don't think that guy should have went to jail the rest of his life. Something happened bad that night, obviously.        

BARTIROMO: I like what the juror said, they both should have walked away. And if there is a shadow of a doubt, there is a shadow of a doubt.

BARKLEY: And let me tell you, Mr. Zimmerman was wrong to pursue -- he was racial profiling. I think Trayvon Martin, God rest his soul, I think he did flip the switch and started beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman. But it was just a bad situation. And like I said, the main thing I feel bad for, it gives every black and white person who is racist a platform to vent their ignorance.

That's the thing that bothers me the most because I watched this trial closely and I watch all these people are television talking about it. A lot of people have a hidden agenda. You know, they want their racist views, whether they are white or black --

BARTIROMO: The bias comes out.

BARKLEY: The bias, it definitely comes out. It was a bad situation, we all lost. And I feel bad for his parents. You don't ever want to see anybody lose a kid. (CNBC Closing Bell, July 18, 2013)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:21 AM

Are you [BullshitBruce] a complete idiot?

Don, I'm surprised you had to pose that question; the answer has been staring us all in the face for quite some time now.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:20 AM

When Holder delivered his 2009 "nation-of-cowards" speech blaming racism for racial separation, Manhattan Institute's Heather Mac Donald suggested that our attorney general study his crime statistics.

In New York from January to June 2008, 83 percent of all gun assailants were black, according to witnesses and victims, though blacks were only 24 percent of the population. Blacks and Hispanics together accounted for 98 percent of all gun assailants. Forty-nine of every 50 muggings and murders in the Big Apple were the work of black or Hispanic criminals.

New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirms Mac Donald's facts. Blacks and Hispanics commit 96 percent of all crimes in the city, he says, but only 85 percent of the stop-and-frisks are of blacks and Hispanics.

And these may involve the kind of pat-downs all of us have had at the airport.

Is stop-and-frisk the work of racist cops in New York, where the crime rate has been driven down to levels unseen in decades?

According to Kelly, a majority of his police force, which he has been able to cut from 41,000 officers to 35,000, is now made up of minorities.

But blacks are also, per capita, the principal victims of crime. Would black fathers prefer their sons to grow up in Chicago, rather than low-crime New York City, with its stop-and-frisk policy?

Fernando Mateo, head of the New York taxicab union, urges his drivers to profile blacks and Hispanics for their own safety: "The God's honest truth is that 99 percent of the people that are robbing, stealing, killing these drivers are blacks and Hispanics."

Mateo is what The New York Times would describe as "a black Hispanic" Yet he may be closer to the 'hood than Holder, who says he was stopped by police when running to a movie — in Georgetown.

Which raises a relevant question. Georgetown is an elitist enclave of a national capital that has been ruled by black mayors for half a century. It's never had a white mayor.

Is Holder saying we've got racist cops in the district where Obama carried 86 percent of the white vote and 97 percent of the black vote? And his son should fear the white cops in Washington, D.C.?

What about interracial crime, white-on-black attacks and the reverse?

After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

If interracial crime is the ugliest manifestation of racism, what does this tell us about where racism really resides — in America?

And if the FBI stats for 2007 represent an average year since the Tawana Brawley rape-hoax of 1987, over one-third of a million white women have been sexually assaulted by black males since 1987 — with no visible protest from the civil rights leadership.

Today, 73 percent of all black kids are born out of wedlock. Growing up, these kids drop out, use drugs, are unemployed, commit crimes and are incarcerated at many times the rate of Asians and whites — or Hispanics, who are taking the jobs that used to go to young black Americans.

Are white vigilantes or white cops really Black America's problem?

Obama seems not to think so. The Rev. Sharpton notwithstanding, he is touting Ray Kelly as a possible chief of homeland security.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:58 AM

"By the way, you STILL haven't answered my questions, just more spittle & horseshit."


What questions have I not answered?




How far up your ass you have your head?

How many time you claim others are racists after your stating that "balck, and a Democrat" was the same to you as "dumb ni**er"?

How many times that Bobert supports you in your racist attacks?


Which one????

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:52 AM

Don,

You really need to work on your math.

"The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction."

1. There were 6 jurors
2. The juror stated that three thought Z was innocent, two thought he was guilty of manslaughter, and 1 thought he was guilty of 2nd degree murder initially.


Why do you need to keep lying about easily seen facts? Are you so devouted to your viewpoint that you ignore simple reality to make a case?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:51 AM

Sorry, Red Queen, but your little sideshow disrespects the life of Trayvon Martin...

Guess better, next time...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Red Queen
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:13 AM

STOP IT, ALL OF YOU!

I am your Queen. If there's any yelling to be done, I'LL do it!

And I'LL decide when we should listen to Biff. Hmmm, now is a good time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_-A9rGLaYs&sns=em

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:14 AM

No Don - he is just a total fucking idiot. Horse, water, etc!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:28 AM

""Did it ever occur to anyone, that maybe the prosecution WANTED their case to fail, for political reasons and mileage?? That maybe their marching orders came from the 'higher ups'? ....designed to fail??""

Have you been asleep for the whole of this thread, or do you post without bothering with what others have to say?

I have been saying throughout that the fix was in and Teflon George was always going to walk.

the trial was a carefully staged FARCE!

But not for political reasons! It was a horse of a different colour!

Don T.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:16 AM

""After all, he was just a 13 year old black boy. No reason for Greggie to give a damn.""

Are you a complete idiot?

The boy you are trying to get us worked up about will at least get justice, because his killer is convicted and going down fo life. So apart from the fact that all of us are appalled by the awful waste of a young life, what precisely would you like us to protest about?

Perhaps the fact that a rather nasty prick is cynically using his death to make points, but really doesn't give two fucks for the boy or his family.

The same lack of concern that he has for Trayvon Martin.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:08 AM

""http://news.yahoo.com/wis-man-76-guilty-fatal-shooting-teen-185219975.html

http://news.yahoo.com/wis-man-76-guilty-fatal-shooting-teen-185219975.html

Evidence tells me he is guilty- so I guess you all will argue and say he should have gotten off.""

Now you've really lost the bloody plot BB. WTF has an open and shut case of premeditated murder, caught on the murderer's own security camera, have to do with the Zimmerman fiasco.

In the Zimmerman case, the State didn't want to prosecute and when they were forced to do so, they set the trisl up to acquit.

Zimmerman was acquitted within one hour of murdering Trayvon Martin, following the same pattern of activity he had previously used on his ex girlfriend, by the law enforcement officers who weren't inclined to get too interested in the death of a n***er.

That's Sanford law for you.

And why do you keep hammering the word evidence as excusing the acquittal, when you have been shown a mass of evidence which was deliberately kept from the jury.

The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction. Had they been allowed to hear ALL the evidence, it's just about certain that the verdict would have been guilty.

The State wasn't incompetent. It got exactly the result it wanted.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 09:33 PM

Red Queen: "Are you going to make us listen to Biff? :-)"

Going to 'Make' you listen to Biff'????..What do you think I am, a bureaucrat working for the government??

Red Queen: "What are you, some kind of hippie?"

Huh??..Oh you mean that last group of young people who the Democrat Party used and co-opted, when they needed to get people to believe that they were actually 'AGAINST' the Vietnam war...then discarded them, because they had to mature anyway? Well, at least a lot of them liked folk music...The way you asked that, appears that you look down on them..you know, they were useful to the 'Party' for a while, but that's over..now they're 'lower class'....like the Party's 'niggers'?..Is that what you meant?

'Make you listen to Biff'....did you like George Carlin??
Biff was his writer...bet ya' didn't know that...

AS TO THE OTHER POSTS:

To some people, the actual series of events, are facts..to other people, opinions based on emotions, are facts.

Did it ever occur to anyone, that maybe the prosecution WANTED their case to fail, for political reasons and mileage?? That maybe their marching orders came from the 'higher ups'? ....designed to fail?? ..and the divisions that it has caused, was deliberate? ..and that the stirred up emotions about it WAS the DESIRED effect?? ...and that you're all a bunch of unwitting dupes??
Now why would they want to do that??
Why would they freak about a guy shooting another, then making it a race issue, and getting people to take to the streets, so they can punch each other out, and hopefully shoot a few more??..of either race?....Sounds too agenda driven, but makes more sense, than a bunch of government lawyers making so many basic blunders of incompetence, on a simple trial...
Just a thought..............

GfS

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 07:36 PM

No, SJL, your son would still be fine...

The problem here is that "r" stands for "red states" and also "racist"...

BTW, the Republican party has promoted as much racism as it can get away with... It uses PR firms and control groups to exploit people's fears with the hope of keeping racism alive and well within its base of voters...

The entire Tea wing is nothing but KKK holdovers... These people are so eat up with Republican sponsored racism that these people are lost... And so are their kids...

And the beat goes on...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 06:31 PM

Don't try to confuse these clowns with facts, SJL - they're impervious.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:58 PM

When I read this article (link below), the juror's comments struck me as having that familiar spin, you know, that one you hear whenever someone wants to steer the conversation away from real accountability. "B37" goes on as if this tragedy unfolded on its own; as if it were mainly due to unfortunate circumstances. Just bad luck.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/07/16/2306901/7-mind-blowing-moments-from

She doesn't mention what lesson "George" supposedly learned. This juror blows my mind but what really blows my mind is that a few of you seem to agree with her. I say that it could have been my son but I know that's not the case. My son is white. I don't believe that someone like George Zimmerman would have profiled my son- even with a hoodie.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:44 PM

I just hope this racist, wannabe cop doesn't walk on a technicality

Too late, he's already walked,cheered on by BullshitBruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 03:00 PM

Take your meds, Beardy, you're even more incoherent than usual.

By the way, you STILL haven't answered my questions, just more spittle & horseshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 02:44 PM

Of course, the "liberals" here will support you, since none of you have any more respect for the truth than you do for the law.