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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 06 Sep 13 - 12:56 PM Interesting! That guy is a real piece of work! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 06 Sep 13 - 12:40 PM Well, well. Click Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 13 - 07:30 PM Hey, I think I need to talk with a patent lawyer... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 02 Sep 13 - 05:49 PM Now THAT"S real American entrepreneurship, Bobster! Maybe they could sell murder-for-hire franchises, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 13 - 04:28 PM Hey, this could become a new twist for ambulance chasers... They could just run ads for folks who want to off their neighbor or someone who they would just like to off... The lawyer could walk them thru all the ins and outs of Florida law and then its "bang, bang, you're dead", then a long trial with the lawyer's meter running, the customary acquittal and then the Florida taxpayers write a big check to the lawyer... Maybe they could set up a national association of stand-your-ground-states and advertise on TV... Oh, I can see the ads now... "Gotta a pesky neighbor and need some cash? Call 1-OFF-JOHNNIE for a free consultation."... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Sep 13 - 01:00 AM Actually, when I'm posting, I try to do it conversationally..as if the person I'm posting to is right here, and I'm talking to him or her. The only difference is, when I'm speaking, I don't forget to pronounce the 'R's, like I do, when I space out and don't hit the key...and BTW, Hemingway wrote in short sentences, and it makes for easy reading, but not too many people really talk that way.....well, maybe around the ward, but you'd know about that better than I. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 09:49 PM Goofball, when one departs from the rules of grammar using a sentence fragment, or for that matter, a sentence consisting of only a single word, it is usually for emphasis, but it is essential that the meaning is clear. It's not a substitute for chronically bad grammar, which usually springs from a combination of ignorance and laziness. I know you are literature-challenged, but Hemingway did it all the time. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:26 PM Firth: "But actually, I used a sentence fragment intentionally, for emphasis." Boy-Howdy!!.. When I do that you say it doesn't make sense..Yeee-HAWW!! Oh, and you post of:... From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:26 PM ...Was one of the best you've done in a LONG time...since you posts on classical music!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:30 PM . . . Twitchy trigger finger. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:26 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:23 PM That appears to be the way it is in Florida and some other places, Suzy. Sad to say, I tend to get a bit steamed because of it, but it appears there are some folks who seem to think it's just peachy-keen. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:49 PM "Good grammar and correctly punctuated." You're right, Bobert. But actually, I used a sentence fragment intentionally, for emphasis. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:48 PM ..and what was I telling you??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Suzy Sock Puppet Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:47 PM So let me get this straight, Florida had a statute that allows you to sue for legal fees if you are acquitted AND one that allows you to provoke a confrontation, shoot your adversary dead and get acquitted. Could there be a set up more conducive to the triumph of evil? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:40 PM Stupid is not something that can be controlled while... ...ignorance is quit the opposite... Just food for thought... BTW, Don, I hate to tell you but you left out a predicate in you 2:40 post... Just funnin' but you did... Still, plainly stated, however... I mean, predicates ain't all they are cracked up to be... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:38 PM Others???? OK..you tell all those voices in your head to come to a consensus..and get back to us! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:33 PM Troll! I'm not going to get sucked into your stupid game. Let others judge for themselves. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:24 PM Firth: "Most intelligent people have this same capacity. I take it that you are not a member of Mensa?" I was talking about why I...wait..... Firth: "Stupid is a condition that manifests itself in manifold ways. As you so graphically demonstrate." I was referring to why it was stupid.....How else could YOU understand it??!!?? Go back....re-read...YOU'RE the one who has a comprehension problem! Now do you finally get it?? 'Stupid is as stupid does'~~Forrest Gump Keep trying....I'm rootin' for ya'! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:11 PM Goofballupagus: "Well, how else could you understand it, then? You've got too much stuff cluttering your brain to talk plainly!" The contents of my mind is not "stuff cluttering (my) brain." That's called "knowledge." It comes from having had a good education, and being aware that an education is just a start. I do a great deal of reading and keep up on what's going on in the world, and I know how to find information if there is something I don't know about. Most intelligent people have this same capacity. I take it that you are not a member of Mensa? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 02:40 PM The comprehension problem is yours, Goofball. My writing is quite plain and clear (Elements of Style, by William Strunk, Jr. and E. B. White), and I'm sure no one else finds it too difficult to comprehend or too complicated. Good grammar and correctly punctuated (essential for clear comprehension). Pretty straightforward, really. Maybe you should have spent more time with Dick and Jack back in first grade, instead of shooting paper clips at the teacher's behind. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 01 Sep 13 - 02:37 PM Actually, Goofus, the spelling was the best part of your post(s). As good as any sign you'd see at a Tea Party rally. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 02:22 PM Well how else could you understand it, then? You got too much stuff cluttering your brain to talk plainly! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 02:08 PM No. Stupid is a condition that manifests itself in manifold ways. As you so graphically demonstrate. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 13 - 02:05 PM No, I'm pissed because I barely escaped a rural Klan get together and might have been lynched had I not outrun them... Plus I am pissed because here in 2013 we are seeing a resurgence of hate groups... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 01:49 PM Oh, do you mean that if I typed it right the first time, you would have taken it seriously?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 01 Sep 13 - 01:21 PM Goofted One, Judging from the quality of the corrected text those weren't typos in the initial post, just plain stupidity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 01:18 PM jeez.. still more typos....You'll just have to brush up on reading typonese. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 01:07 PM ooops, typos in the other one..... True. Hey Don, you got one right!! And Bobert is pissed at the 'Klan' because he went to one of their meetings, but he had to bring his own sheet outfit. (P-Vine wouldn't buy him a new one)...so he grabbed one off his bed....He showed up at the meeting, tried to put it on...but alas, it had a lot of 'stains' on it..AND, when he was trying to put it one, over his head, and pulled it down to fit right, it cracked...broke in several places.. Needless to say, he never went back....they tore it of of him and made Tea out of it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 01:04 PM True. Hey Don, you got one right!! And Bobert is pissed at the 'Klan' because he went to one of their meetings, but he had to bring his sheet. (P-Vine wouldn't buy him a new one)...so he grabbed one off his bed....He showed up at the meeting, tried to put it on...but alas, it had a lot of 'stains' on it..AND, when he was trying to pot it one, over his head, and pulled it down to fit right, it cracked. Needless to say, he never went back....they tore it of of him and made Tea out of it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 01 Sep 13 - 12:57 PM With my experience (observation, not pot smoking myself), people high on marijuana are downright mellow. NOT the least bit aggressive. I'd feel safer in the company of a bunch of pot-smokers than I would be around a bunch of boozers. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:24 AM Yup... The trial was as bad as the O.J. trial but I'd say the Marcia Clark did a better job than the Florida prosecutor/bozos... I find it inhuman that here we are remembering Martin as a pot smoking aggressor when nothing could be further from the truth... It is a sham... It's like blaming the rape victim for looking good... Disgusting trial and disgusting racism here and elsewhere with the racists blinded by their own racism... At least the Klan knew they were racists and proud of it... We now have grinnin' in your face racists who deny that they are racists while carrying out racist agendas... Meet the new Klan... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Suzy Sock Puppet Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:05 AM Stand Your Ground was not supposed be part of the jury's decision either but the one juror admitted that it was. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:12 AM The meat and taters is as follows, Don: 1. Zimmerman sees black kid walking thru the neighborhood 2. Zimmerman call police 3. Police tell Zimmerman to stay in his car and that they will send real cops 4. Zimmerman disobeys police and gets out of his car with a 9mm 5. Zimmerman stalks Martin 6. Zimmerman shoots and kills Martin The End Anything else is just smoke and mirrors... We don't have capital punishment for pot smoking... The prosecutor and judge should not have allowed Martin's use of pot to be entered as evidence as it had nothing to do with this murder... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 01 Sep 13 - 07:23 AM ""But here's the deal... It is not even relevant to the real story... It is a sidebar that has/had nothing to do with the murder..."" I beg to differ Bobz, and the reason is in the first part of that article. It says """"Florida jurors heard that Trayvon Martin was aggressive and paranoid due to marijuana intoxication the night he was murdered."" If that LIE was presented to the jury as evidence, and was given a free pass by both prosecution and judge, skewing the view of the jury in Zimmerman's favour, it's the whole deal, supporting my firm conviction that nobody in that courtroom was trying to convict Zimmerman. That's it,........in black and white, so to speak. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 01 Sep 13 - 07:08 AM ""Perhaps you were replying to someone else. However the first part was...but not the majority part of your post was from me."" The quote was an excerpt from what I had posted earlier and was intended to show you how far off the mark you were with your fatuous comment: ""I've been saying that the whole mess was a series of 'misreading the moments, and making stupid mistakes...pot might no make you 'aggressive', but it CAN (and does) cause you to misread a moment, and act inappropriately.."" NO POT = NO POT INDUCED MISREADING OF THE SITUATION! Get it NOW?? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Suzy Sock Puppet Date: 31 Aug 13 - 11:52 AM You're damn right it's a sidebar. Let's talk about adderall. Might be a script but it's every bit the same as being hopped up on coke or meth. I think GZ's wife will divorce him. She's realizing now that if her husband was anything more than a narcissistic asshole looking for trouble and attention (in that order), he would never have put her in the position that he did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:56 AM Don T: "Do try to keep up".... Speaking of which the following was not a quote from my post.... Don T: """The toxicology exam, which was conducted the morning after Mr. Martin was killed, found a mere 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of blood of tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, in his body. This strongly suggests he had not ingested marijuana for at least 24 hours. This is also far below the THC levels that I have found necessary, in my experimental research on dozens of subjects, to induce intoxication: between 40 and 400 nanograms per milliliter..........Mr. Martin could not have been intoxicated with marijuana at the time of the shooting; the amount of THC found in his system was too low for it to have had any meaningful effect on him."" Perhaps you were replying to someone else. However the first part was...but not the majority part of your post was from me. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:51 AM GfinS doesn't actually read much of other folks posts, Don... Just scans them to see if he can find something to attack, regardless of that something's context... I read Suzie's post and read it the same way as you... But here's the deal... It is not even relevant to the real story... It is a sidebar that has/had nothing to do with the murder... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 31 Aug 13 - 09:11 AM "".pot might no make you 'aggressive', but it CAN (and does) cause you to misread a moment, and act inappropriately."" DO try to keep up GfS! ""The toxicology exam, which was conducted the morning after Mr. Martin was killed, found a mere 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of blood of tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, in his body. This strongly suggests he had not ingested marijuana for at least 24 hours. This is also far below the THC levels that I have found necessary, in my experimental research on dozens of subjects, to induce intoxication: between 40 and 400 nanograms per milliliter..........Mr. Martin could not have been intoxicated with marijuana at the time of the shooting; the amount of THC found in his system was too low for it to have had any meaningful effect on him."" 1.5 billionths of a gram of active principle = No drugged up aggression, no blurred perception and no drug induced misapprehension or inappropriate behaviour. Less effect than a half pint of bitter shandy. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Aug 13 - 02:59 AM I can go along with that...matter of fact, if you scroll back, I've been saying that the whole mess was a series of 'misreading the moments, and making stupid mistakes...pot might no make you 'aggressive', but it CAN (and does) cause you to misread a moment, and act inappropriately..on his part, whereas Zimmerman was on a different trip, misreading Trayvon, and what he was doing. Rahel talking to Trayvon, on here cell, certainly misread the situation, and told Trayvon about Zimmerman probably being a homosexual rapist. With that in your head, when you're stoned, sure could get you to misread, EASILY. (Jeez,, I wonder if the D.A. was stoned too, when he charged him with murder, instead of manslaughter!!) They should have built their case better, before arresting and chaging him....But NOOOOOOOOO-O-O.....pressure was being thown on them for the wannabe prove a point idiots!!!..maybe who had the same 'zeal' as some of you have expressed!! Think about it............. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST Date: 30 Aug 13 - 09:56 PM Don T. Hallelujah! Amen is one thing, Hallelujah is another... Can I get a witness? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Suzy Sock Puppet Date: 30 Aug 13 - 09:47 PM Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 30 Aug 13 - 05:24 AM From day one the Sanford authorities portrayed Zimmerman as the victim and Martin as a thug, and that didn't change at the trial. Nobody in this whole sorry mess stood up for Trayvon Martin's constitutional right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but there are people all over the southern states celebrating the victory of Vigilante Law over US Law. This video is worth a listen as it encapsulates everything I have been trying to put across in this thread. The following article is also relevant to the way in which the authorities spat upon the corpse of a murdered teenager: ""Florida jurors heard that Trayvon Martin was aggressive and paranoid due to marijuana intoxication the night he was murdered. But was he? Carl Hart, a neuropsychopharmacologist who spent fifteen years studying the neurophysiological, psychological and behavioral effects of marijuana, finds this line of reasoning "laughable" in The New York Times. "The toxicology exam, which was conducted the morning after Mr. Martin was killed, found a mere 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of blood of tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, in his body. This strongly suggests he had not ingested marijuana for at least 24 hours. This is also far below the THC levels that I have found necessary, in my experimental research on dozens of subjects, to induce intoxication: between 40 and 400 nanograms per milliliter. In fact, his THC levels were significantly lower than the sober, baseline levels of about 14 nanograms per milliliter of many of my patients, who are daily users. Mr. Martin could not have been intoxicated with marijuana at the time of the shooting; the amount of THC found in his system was too low for it to have had any meaningful effect on him." "" This is indicative of the lengths Sanford law personnel were willing to go to, in order to paint Trayvon Martin as a drugged up thug and portray him as responsible for his own death. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 13 - 08:00 PM The more times we review this story the worse it stinks... And it stinks well beyond just this story... It stinks because ALEC and the NRA have pushed legalized murder onto the books oh way too many states where anyone can virtually shoot and kill anyone they want and get away with it... It stinks because the racism still permeating Southern states is as real today as ever... But they say that all politics is local so... ...it stinks because there are people here at a folks musicains web site who are Zimmerman cheerleaders... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: bobad Date: 30 Aug 13 - 07:26 PM Here's an interesting little twist to the story. Was it brought up at the trial? Is it relevant? "Shellie Zimmerman, wife of George Zimmerman, the Florida man who was found not guilty of second degree murder in the slaying of teenager Trayvon Martin, told ABC News that she does not know if she will stay married to her husband. In an interview with reporter Christi O'Connor, Shellie Zimmerman said that she will have to think carefully about whether she plans to stay married to George Zimmerman, and that she had walked out on him after a particularly nasty argument on the night before he shot Martin. "I was staying at my father's house," Zimmerman said. "We had gotten into an argument the night before and I left." On Wednesday, Shellie Zimmerman pleaded guilty to perjury in the same courtroom where her husband was acquitted of murder. Unlike her appearances at his trial, however, George Zimmerman was not in attendance, leaving her feeling "very much alone." She declined to say whether or not her husband has a violent temper when O'Connor asked about the argument that caused her to walk out on him in 2012. "Does George have a temper? How volatile did it get the evening before?" the reporter asked. "Not going to answer that," Zimmerman replied." The Raw Story |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 13 - 03:37 PM The speakers at the Lincoln Memorial this past Wednesday were entirely correct... We have a lot of work to do... Jim Crow is sneaking back... Okay, in some areas there ain't no sneak to it... He's just barging in... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 30 Aug 13 - 03:08 PM Sorry! Neglected to post the link for the above. Here it is: CLICKY. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 30 Aug 13 - 03:03 PM Excellent link, Don T! Everyone should listen--all the way to the end--of what the commentator is saying. And if the commentator is a bit excited and angry, there is more than ample reason for it. I agree 100%! And here he is again, commenting on an interview (unbelievable!) with George Zimmerman's brother, Robert. The anger you hear in the commentator's voice is righteous anger. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 13 - 02:44 PM I agree, Don... Neither GfinS nor bb have posted anything that shows any feeling of sadness for Trayvon Martin or his family... Just cheering... That, GfinS, is what I meant by hardened hearts... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 30 Aug 13 - 02:18 PM ""There is no one one here that hates blacks, that I can see...only those whose minds and hearts are too hardened to see it. Ever consider that??"" Tell it to the bastards here who are celebrating the release of a man who is revelling in having got away with murder and buying more, and more powerful n***er killing weapons. Not a word from them about the death of a black schoolboy. Not a scintilla of sympathy for him, or empathy for his family. They'd have been yelling their heads off if Trayvon were white. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Aug 13 - 01:22 PM OK, Bobert, you just posted two sentences here, that seem to conflict with each other, so I will ask you, using your words, if you are failing to see something here, OK? Bobert: "The sad thing about this all, Don, is that there are still way too many white people who haven't come all that far from the days when black people were being lynched... Yeah, they always have their rationalizations just like we read here from the MudKKers who continue to defend their right to murder black people... ...You won't change the minds and hearts of the two MudKKers here, Don... Their minds and hearts are too hardened..." Their minds and hearts are too hardened???? Don't you think that is the PERCEPTION (on here)of minds and hearts that are too hardened?? There is no one one here that hates blacks, that I can see...only those whose minds and hearts are too hardened to see it. Ever consider that?? GfS |
