BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 31 May 13 - 01:35 PM

It is NOT important whether the evidence is permitted or not- THE FACT THAT IT WAS WITHHELD FROM THE DEFENSE is the legal point here.


The Judge can certainly disallow this evidence- BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE DEFENSE, even if it is NOT allowed at the trial. The Prosecution is NOT allowed to decide what it turns over.

Is it not possible that the judge will determine that this particular 'evidence' was not germaine to the case and was therefore not something that needed to be turned over to the defense?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 31 May 13 - 01:28 PM

Nobody thinks this guy shouldn't get a fair trial. Furthermore, if he gets off on a technicality, so be it. Despite some obvious exceptions, I have a great deal of faith in the jury system. However, I don't see the purpose of the thread, unless it was to irritate those of us who see a good deal of bigotry in our law enforcement and politics in this country and are sick and tired of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 May 13 - 01:08 PM

It is NOT important whether the evidence is permitted or not- THE FACT THAT IT WAS WITHHELD FROM THE DEFENSE is the legal point here.


The Judge can certainly disallow this evidence- BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE DEFENSE, even if it is NOT allowed at the trial. The Prosecution is NOT allowed to decide what it turns over.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 31 May 13 - 12:56 PM

"Nelson has set a full hearing on the turning over of evidence for next week."

Seems to me we should wait for the ruling from this hearing before we decide if any laws were violated, don't you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 May 13 - 12:53 PM

You're getting overexcited again, Beardy, and somewhat incoherent as a result. Also not good for your blood pressure, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 May 13 - 12:39 PM

So, Bobert,

YOU think that it is ok to violate the law when YOU think someone is guilty? YOU want to have him get odd because that law was violated?

THAT is what this thread is about- NOT his innocence or guilt, but the illegal actions of those, like you , that have decided it does not matter if he gets a fair or legal trial.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 31 May 13 - 12:35 PM

Zimmerman sees Martin...

Zimmerman calls police...

Police tell Zimmerman to remain in his vehicle...

Zimmerman disobeys police order...

Zimmerman kills Martin...

That's the case... Not pictures in Martin's cell phone...

What Zimmerman's attorney is trying to do is equivalent to blaming a rape victim for the way she looked...

This defense is shameful, immoral and should backfire on Zimmerman...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 May 13 - 11:56 AM

Thank you, Guest. I had assumed that there were some intelligent people here that could see the obvious, but was beginning to wonder.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 13 - 11:54 AM

It ain't this liberal's viewpoint. As you noted earlier, if there are technicalities like this one popping up then he will get off.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 May 13 - 11:14 AM

So that makes it OK to violate the law?

IS THAT THE LIBERAL VIEWPOINT????

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 31 May 13 - 11:10 AM

Sounds like the defense wants to blame the victim. Same old story.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 May 13 - 09:35 AM

It is actions such as this, violating his rights, that WILL lead to those "technicalities"


EVERYONE should agree that the trial needs to be fair and legal.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 31 May 13 - 09:30 AM

He has the right to a fair hearing. I just hope this racist, wannabe cop doesn't walk on a technicality. On that first 911 tape it's pretty obvious he was itching to mete out some justice to an "asshole" in a hoodie.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 May 13 - 09:01 AM

You and the Red Queen....



Hang him FIRST, THEN have the trial.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 31 May 13 - 08:55 AM

and then hang him.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 May 13 - 08:26 AM

THAT was out over a year ago.

By THIS illegal attempt to withhold evidence from the defense, the entire case might be thrown out, and NO trail to determine the facts would occur.

Is that to be preferred????

Regardless of one's opinion of the shooting, it deserves to be tried in a fair, legal fashion, without opening up unwarranted areas for appeals or declarations of mistrial

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 31 May 13 - 08:13 AM

Huffington Post.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 May 13 - 07:54 AM

More than contempt of court-

The problem is that the LAW requires the prosecution to provide ALL the evidence to the Defense- IN ALL CASES.

Just because "everyone" has already decided the outcome of the trial does NOT excuse this obvious violation of the defendant's rights.

Regardless of whether the evidence is relevant, it MUST be made available to the defense. The relevance is for the JUDGE to decide, and the defense has the right to appeal if it thinks otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Charmion
Date: 31 May 13 - 07:41 AM

If I understand correctly the decsion of the judge in this matter, the contents of the victim's cellphone (the photos and text messages in question) are irrelevant because the accused claims that it was the victim's behaviour *in the moments before the fatal shots were fired* that led him to fear for his life. The accused could not have known what photos and texts were on the victim's cellphone at that time, so those materials could not have influenced his interpretation of the victim's behaviour.

The judge's decision to exclude the photos and texts makes the ex-employee's act worse than a breach of discipline; it amounts to contempt of court, definitely a firing offence.

Subject: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 May 13 - 11:50 AM

"ORLANDO, Fla. -- A court employee who retrieved photos and deleted text messages from Trayvon Martin's cellphone has been placed on administrative leave after an attorney testified that prosecutors didn't properly turn over the evidence to the defense, an attorney said Wednesday.

Former prosecutor Wesley White said he was ethically obligated to reveal that Fourth Judicial Circuit Information Technology Director Ben Kruidbos retrieved the data that weren't turned over.

Kruidbos was placed on leave shortly after White testified during a hearing in George Zimmerman's second-degree murder case on Tuesday. White said Kruidbos was interviewed by state attorney investigators twice before the action was taken.

White said he wasn't surprised of possible evidence violations by Zimmerman prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

"I was saddened by it, but I'm not surprised," he said.

White first learned about the evidence through Kruidbos more than a month ago, he said.

Phone and email messages left at the office of Fourth Judicial Circuit State Attorney Angela Corey were not immediately returned.

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in 17-year-old Martin's killing and has pleaded not guilty, saying he acted in self-defense. Circuit Judge Debra Nelson has denied a defense motion to delay the trial, which scheduled to begin on June 10.

White led the Nassau County state attorney's office before resigning in December, citing differences of opinion with Corey. He is now in private practice.

White said the photos Kruidbos retrieved were of a hand holding a gun and one depicted drugs. The content of the text messages wasn't specified.

"I'm an officer of the court and I'm obliged to inform the court of any misconduct or any potential misconduct coming before the court. Whether it's by the defense or prosecution," White said.

The defense released photos of a gun, marijuana plant and Martin's text messages publicly, saying that if prosecutors planned to paint Zimmerman as the aggressor and Martin as the innocent bystander, they wanted the information to defend him. Attorneys won't be able to mention the teen's drug use, suspension from school and past fighting during opening statements at the trial, Nelson ruled Tuesday.

Nelson has set a full hearing on the turning over of evidence for next week.

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara has previously brought a handful of motions alleging that the state attorney's office had been slow to turn over other evidence.

White said his disclosure to the defense isn't sparked by any animosity toward his former employer."


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/29/3422519/lawyer-zimmerman-prosecutor-withheld.html#storylink=cpy