BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 09:40 PM

I didn't realize there were so many drama queens on the Mudcat. Mainly I thought it was a lot of Brits who want to take back the U.S. as their colony and a lot of kind, well-meaning old farts whose idea of 'spicy' food is a saltine cracker. Granted, the nostalgia for the 1960s, too, has always been there—"simpler times," as they say, and presumably the time when a lot of the old farts found their purpose in life. What I didn't know was that there were some real bat-shit locos.

I warned you before about what happens when you gratuitously use the word "KKK" (and the same goes for "Nazi," only with a German accent): Some sweet, adorable puppy, who has had barely enough time to splash in rain puddles or feel the tickle of grass on its face, dies....somewhere...each time. Can you live with that on your conscience?

Fucking puppy-killers...



Oh, also— besides the dead pups, the other thing that happens when you use those phrases/concepts is that you lose an amount of credibility as someone who can hold a rational discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 09:39 PM

Bobert, You talk about lynching in a knowledgeable,reality based way, whereas BB continually uses the term, "lynching" metaphorically which tends to piss me off. Goodnight, Elmore

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 09:00 PM

Yes, this is they way it used to work, Elmore... The lynching would occur and then if charges were brought the same thing happened... This kind of Southern justice has been around a long time...

I've written about the murders of 5 black non-violent civil rights demonstrators in Greensboro, North Carolina... The KKK gunned them down from their pickup tucks along the march route... This was a legal demonstration... The gunning down happened in plain daylight...

No charges... This wasn't 1959... This wasn't 1969... This was 1979!!!

No arrests... No nothing...

This is the South, ya'll and it hasn't come that far in the last 150 years...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 08:45 PM

Juror B29 says "It's hard for me to eat,It's hard for me to sleep, because I feel like I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death". (Washington Post) RIP Trayvon.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 07:58 PM

Zimmerman very much got away with murder...

He disobeyed the police dispatcher in getting out of his vehicle and stalking Trayvon Martin with a gun... And he shot and killed Trayvon Martin...

The MudKKK doesn't give a flying fuck about the basic case... They just want their white boy to get off and don't give rat's ass about "nutha nigga" dead and gone...

These people here who defend Zimmerman are no better than the folks who used to lynch "nutha niggas"...

They are KKK thru and thru... No KKK-lite here... Grand wizard level KKK...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 05:41 PM

On the other hand, juror B29 says Georgie got away with murder.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 05:38 PM

While respecting the evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 04:10 PM

Obviously her personal definition of murder is different from the law's, and she honorably chose to uphold the law.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 03:51 PM

The only SHIT around here is you, greggie boy.

I present facts, and support them.

YOU present attacks and insults, with no basis but animosity- the HATE that Bobert sees everywhere but in his own postings.

If I were Bobert I would be ashamed to even have you pretending to agree with me.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 03:47 PM

The only minority on the all-female jury that voted to acquit George Zimmerman said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology Martin's parents.
"You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," said the woman who was identified only as Juror B29 during the trial. "But we had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence."
She said the jury was following Florida law and the evidence, she said, did not prove murder.

The court had sealed the jurors' identities during the trial and still hasn't lifted the order, but Juror B29 edged out of the shadows in an exclusive interview with "Good Morning America" anchor Robin Roberts. She allowed her face to be shown, but -- concerned for her safety -- used only a first name of Maddy.
The nursing assistant and mother of eight children was selected as a juror five months after she had moved to Seminole County, Fla., from Chicago.
All six of the jurors were women and Maddy, 36, who is Puerto Rican, was the only minority to deliberate in the racially charged case. Zimmerman, 29, was a white Hispanic and Martin, 17, was black.

Despite the prosecution's claim the Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black, Maddy said the case was never about race to her, although she didn't want to speak for her fellow jurors.
But her feelings about Zimmerman's actions are clear.
"George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy said. "[But] the law couldn't prove it."
See reaction to the George Zimmerman Verdict
When the jury of six women—five of them mothers—began deliberations, Maddy said she favored convicting Zimmerman of second degree murder, which could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. The jury was also allowed to consider manslaughter, a lesser charge.
"I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said.
However, on the second day of deliberations, after spending nine hours discussing the evidence, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law.
Zimmerman concedes he shot and killed Martin in Sanford on Feb. 26, 2012, but maintains he fired in self-defense.
"That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty."
When asked by Roberts whether the case should have gone to trial, Maddy said, "I don't think so."
"I felt like this was a publicity stunt. This whole court service thing to me was publicity," she said.
As a mother, Maddy said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision.
"I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said.
"As much as we were trying to find this man guilty…they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth, and the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told."
Maddy said she has sympathy for Martin's parents and believes she, too, would continue the crusade for justice if this had happened to her son.
She said she believes she owes Trayvon Martin's parents an apology because she feels "like I let them down."
"It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much [as] Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said.
Maddy is the second juror to speak in a televised interview, and the first to show her face.
Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said that she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch.
Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own.



http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-juror-says-got-away-murder-180513862--abc-news-topstories.html

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 03:39 PM

So, facts are shit to you?

No, BullshitBruce, SHIT is shit to me. Please get the help you so desperately need.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 02:55 PM

Pitts, the one who wrote:

"It seems that in January, a young white couple, Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, were victims of a brutal crime. They were carjacked, kidnapped and raped. Cleaning fluid was sprayed into Christian's mouth. She was stuffed in a trash can and apparently suffocated. Newsom was shot and set afire. His body was dumped. Five blacks, one a woman, have been arrested.

The story made headlines around Knoxville. It was unnoticed nationally.

That has changed. A constellation of white supremacists and conservative bloggers has pushed the story into the national limelight as illustration of their argument that news media, constrained by political correctness, refuse to report black on white crime while pulling out all the stops when crime is white on black as in the Duke lacrosse debacle. Me, I would see their Duke case and raise them a Central Park jogger, but what do I know?

Anyway, bloggers like Michael Oliver have chastised the "liberal, biased, Mainstream Media" for missing the Knoxville story. He asked, "Had the roles been reversed, would the media ignore such a horrific crime?"

Truth is, media ignore horrific crimes all the time. Space is limited and growing more so. Which means the story that catches fire usually has some element beyond gruesomeness to sell it. In the Duke case, it was class, privilege, sex and race that did it.

Not that I expect Oliver or any other "oppressed" white person to pay attention to something so trivial as fact. They're too busy demanding that this case be tried as a hate crime — even though police say there's no evidence the couple was targeted for any other reason than that they were there. And last weekend, white supremacists held — I kid you not — a "rally against genocide" in Knoxville."






even though police say there's no evidence the couple was targeted for any other reason than that they were there.

Just as in the Zimmerman case.......

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 02:41 PM

Jim Crow created a caste system in America that lasted for generations. In 2003, power-driven, pandering politicians want to make sure it remains in place. As long as blacks refuse to hold themselves accountable for failure and continue to perceive themselves as victims entitled to special categories, black liberal politicians will always have a constituency keeping them in office... and we will forever remain "in our place."


http://www.project21.org/P21NVBarberFlorida903.html

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 02:40 PM

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-the-justice-department-pursue-a-civil-rights-case-against-george-zimmerman/a-civil-righ


ustice Department lawyers should not attempt to prosecute George Zimmerman for the death of Trayvon Martin.They likely won't succeed, and would probably compound the awful precedent set by the state of Florida in pursuing this case over objections from the lead criminal investigator, police chief and the community's prosecutor. These missteps were followed with a decision to bypass a grand jury.

All the safeguards protecting Americans from political or unwarranted prosecution were missing, allowing this train-wreck of a case to proceed. If the feds follow suit, they will head down the same path of an unjustified prosecution – re-establishing, nationally, a practice not seen since Woodrow Wilson pursued his political goals through abusing federal prosecutorial authority. Wilson's use of the Espionage and Sedition Acts to arrest and silence critics as well as the media rolled back the clock on constitutional rights.

Like Wilson era abuses, today's Justice Department must distort the meaning of hate crime statutes to charge Zimmerman. First, prosecutors lack a definitive finding that Zimmerman is, in fact, a racist. After interviewing 35 people – including co-workers, neighbors and even an ex-girlfriend – an FBI investigation failed to find proof that Zimmerman's actions were racially motivated on the night Martin died.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 02:22 PM

As are you, greggie boy. Consistent as any KKK member, or Nazi.

So, facts are shit to you? No wonder- you represent the "best" that "Liberal Mudcat" has to offer, it seems.


Facts are all shit.

Personel attack are fine against any minority here.

Any lies are acceptable to support the "liberal" view.

Nothing is acceptable that does not meet your pre-concieved standards of "validity- ie, that does not agree with your narrow, bigoted viewpoint.

Any rule can be used against people who disagree with you, even if you do not accept that rule being applied to you.

Anything that supports you has to be accepted without any reference or support:
Anything you disagree with can be denigrated even when reference and supporting proof is provided.





What a bunch of bigoted, hypocritical, lying pieces of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 01:11 PM

National columnist, Leonard Pitts, who is a rather moderate black writer, has an interesting op-ed in today's :Charlotte Observer" entitled "I am - and we are - Trayvon Martin" which is well worth a read...

Of course, the folks here who most need to read it won't read it because it doesn't jive with the BS narrative that the NRA/KKK has stuffed into their defective brains...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 12:24 PM

And again, BeardedBullshit - more horseshit. At least you're consistent.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 12:13 PM

"Eight of Zimmerman's friends were allowed to state that the voice calling for help was Zimmerman's."

And how many did the prosecution call? Mother, half-brother



Eight TOTAL testified to it being Zimmerman screaming- and the defense also called Martin's father.
( Zimmerman's mother, father, uncle, and 5 friends or co-workers)

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/06/25/george-zimmerman-trial-witnesses



And the reason the " two professional voice recognition experts who gave their opinion that the voice belonged to the younger man, were not allowed to do so.":

Prosecution Witness No. 23: Dr. Hirotaka Nakasone -- A senior voice recognition expert with the FBI. He received multiple voice samples in this case to analyze. One of the samples was the 911 call from the night of the shooting that has screams in the background.


Who stated that the FBI standards required a longer period of recording to be valid. NOTE this was a prosecution witness.





Prosecution called 38 witnesses total,, Defense called 18 total.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:52 AM

""Nor did the judge admit phone and text evidence that showed Martin had tried to sell an illegal firearm, school evidence that he was once suspended for having unexplained women's gold jewelry in his bookbag, or that he'd texted a friend that a recent fight had been no fun because "the dude didn't bleed enough for me.""

The judge did allow evidence of Martin's use of marijuana, but not of Zimmerman's domestic and the fact that he had used this self defence thing before in similsr circumstances when faced with prosecution.

Either both should have been allowed, or neither.

Eight of Zimmerman's friends were allowed to state that the voice calling for help was Zimmerman's.

Although Martin's parents did testify, two professional voice recognition experts who gave their opinion that the voice belonged to the younger man, were not allowed to do so.

You see that as perfect balance. I see it as a black and white example of discrimination.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:40 AM

Perhaps if you took the trouble to actually read the post I complained of?

I know that isn't usually part of your method of discussion.

Please don't bother with supplying a translation. Goofus' posts, when they are comprehensible, tend toward the terminally boring, being mostly repetitions of what he said yesterday,....and the day before,.....and on and on.........

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:35 AM

""Don T, I am surprised you are unable to understand some posts.
They are quite clear to me and, apparently, everyone else.
It is just you.
(unless you are just unable to challenge about anything actually said)""

If you can make any sense out of Goofus' disjointed, rambling outpourings of gibberish on a host of subjects he knows nothing about, what does that say about your level of cognitive ability.

I've always thought that your xenophobia doesn't interfere with your ability to form cogent and intelligible posts.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:28 AM

""Proverbs 10:18, "He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool."
"


So perhaps Bobert, GregF, and DonT need to pay attention to this, and cease their slanders and lies.""

No hidden hatred here Bruce. I don't like you, but you are not important enough to hate you.

What I do hate, and make no attempt to hide the fact, is the kind of corrupt, racist distortion of justice which is rife in certain parts of this world including parts of the US.

And I have neither liking nor respect for those who promote and applaud the indefensible discrimination of a system of law as untrustworthy as the criminals it sets free.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:15 AM

For the record, when I accuse Bobert of being a bigoted Ubermensch who would take the law into his own hands to get the results he wants ( Just like the KKK) , that is not meant to be an insult... It's the way I see it, based on his own postings.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 08:43 AM

For the record, when I accuse Zimmerman apologist/worshiper/defenders of being the modern day KKK is not meant to be an insult... It's the way I see it...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 08:14 AM

"(Can't even think up his own insults. Pathetic!!)"

Oh, WE ALL know better, but this thread is about the Zimmerman trial. There IS an 'insult thread'...take it there.
You'd love me to get into your diversions of 'insults', because when you have nothing of substance, you attack the person, instead of addressing the issues, distracting people from the subject matter, and into YOUR personal world.
Not interested.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 07:03 PM

(Can't even think up his own insults. Pathetic!!)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 06:38 PM

Perfect!

GfS

P.S... and...........................

























"Puerile"

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 05:27 PM

"You've been blown out of the water on this one!"

I don't think so, Goofball. When others here read your screeds, they can make their own judgments.

End of communication with sub-species. Now, back to the specified wrangle.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 05:23 PM

KKK injustice...

O.J. beat the rap on bro-injustice...

Both wrong...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 05:19 PM

Let's skip the premise for new excuses, and cut to the bottom line:

Zimmerman went to trial and was acquitted, which, by review of the evidence brought forward in that trial, by the jury, and review of the case by legal scholars, was the correct verdict. The issue of race was verified, NOT a factor. The race issue has been stirred up by the media, and carried forth by those of little or no LEGAL understanding, and has been blown out of proportion, by those who manipulate the emotions, of those same people, with little or no knowledge of the law. I pointed this out during the end of the trial, right after I heard John Guy's(prosecution) final closing arguments.
After the acquittal, there has been talk of the DoJ bringing another trial, on civil rights charges, if they thought there was cause, based on race. However, the FBI thoroughly investigated Zimmerman's past, and acquaintances, and found NO indication, or evidence to base the Federal government to bring charges. The media and political 'activists' have tried to keep the race factor up in everyone's face, still accusing, projecting, manipulating and exploiting the emotions, that they are trying to prolong, even making stuff up. I doubt, that on LEGAL grounds, that the DoJ, will charge him, but if they do, you can expect the same verdict. Get over it...as the evidence showed, it was a case of self defense.
I may add, one more time, that there were circumstances that led up to it, that in reality, were stupid miscalculations on both of their parts, and a death could have been avoided...as to who was more at fault, maybe we'll never know...but there were mutual mistakes made on both, on their parts.
Anybody who tries to stir up emotions, based on race, in this matter, should be consummately ignored!~...because, it has been proven to be bullshit!...By the FBI, Travon's mother, eyewitnesses to self defense, and phone transcripts.
You don't like it?..Tough beans. The 'Stand Your Ground' law, had nothing to do with the case, race had nothing to do with the case, and the 'pundit activists', Jackson, Sharpton, and all the 'little wannabes have even less to do with the case.

Have a Wonderful Day!

GfS

P.S. Don you want to 'duke it out' take it to another thread. You've been blown out of the water on this one!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 04:58 PM

That ain't all this complicated here...

Grown man with a gun stalks boy...

Grown man with a gun murders boy...

Anywhere else this would be an open and shut case with grown man being locked up for 20 years to life...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 04:25 PM

Goofball, as I've said repeatedly, you interpret MY behavior in terms of what YOU would do under similar circumstances.

That's an indication of the nature of YOUR character, but it has nothing to do with MINE.

You have no concept of ethical behavior--or matters of self-sacrifice for the greater good.

Go pee on a fire hydrant. That's about all those of your species are good for.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 03:58 PM

That's bullshit, Don, and you know it. As far as your 'history' with the chick..you posted the story about it....unless that was a lie, too, which I doubt..you just don't like being called on it..and by a 'higher' source than me, I might add!...and now you are quoting Shakespeare????...another diversion??..Why don't you just do some soul searching(if you have one left), and get your shit together. Maybe even quit trying to drive fraudulent agendas, and stringing out your dupes with ya'!

Oh, and as far as the Scripture I quoted you, 'If the shoe fits, wear it!'....problem is, you won't be able to tap dance!
You're getting nowhere fast!...or, as my dad used to say, "Going somewhere?..or just traveling?"

Richard, you and Greg F should get married, you'd have the same dialogue over the kitchen table...for years!

OH...and by the way, nobody has yet to show up and claim their sympathetic stand to the KKK or the White Supremacists.....you mean you guys were preaching to an empty choir loft???? ....or maybe nobody is buying your baloney?...one or the other.
Get a clue!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 03:07 PM

Oh shit FFS. I thought you were starting to learn.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 02:57 PM

Antonio in "The Merchant of Venice:")

Mark you this, Bassanio,
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart:
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!
                               —William Shakespeare

It does not surprise me that Goofball tries to throw the Bible back at me, considering that he started this slanderous exchange with a lie.

He knows nothing about me, yet he continues to lie.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 02:22 PM

So, now you are resorting to Scriptures??.....let these apply to what you guys are doing, and why your whole rap is in question...:

"16There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:

17 (1)Haughty eyes, (2)a lying tongue,
(3)And hands that shed innocent blood,

18A(4) heart that devises wicked plans,
(5) Feet that run rapidly to evil,

19(6)A false witness who utters lies,
(7..and get this one..the 7th, which you just read is an abomination to Him!)And one who spreads strife among brothers....."

And continuing toward the bottom....

"32The one who commits adultery with a woman is lacking sense;
He who would destroy himself does it.

33Wounds and disgrace he will find,
And his reproach will not be blotted out."

Now in context, without my 'numbering'...

16There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:

"17Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,

18A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,

19A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers."


32The one who commits adultery with a woman is lacking sense;
He who would destroy himself does it.

33Wounds and disgrace he will find,
And his reproach will not be blotted out."

Wise words, Sane words...Words that have seen civilizations rise and fall, for lack of using that wisdom.

Oh, and the Scripture that you posted, just a hopeful innuendo, a cloaked accusation....that doesn't apply at this at this end. I have no 'hatred', nor am I saying anything less that the truth, that you seem to have a problem with.... The Scripture you posted, may indeed, apply to you.

.............................

Thanks, Keith A of Hertford. It's nice to know that what is communicated is clear enough, that the tactics employed by liars, are just more tactics...and not a sign, with any intention, of cleaning up their act!

Don T...This has been a clear invitation to THINK!... not just to wallow around in the swill of 'talking points'. ..unless you still insist on pretending you are unable to 'understand'.
Firth thrives on that kind of stupidity!..he uses it all the time!

Bruce, Glad to see you picked up on the correct application of that Scripture, as well....Firth tends to accuse others of his own bullshit!....and people are getting tired of it!

Regards...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 02:07 PM

The presumption of innocence, sometimes referred to by the Latin expression Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof lies with who declares, not who denies), is the principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty. Application of this principle is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial, recognised in many nations. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused is to be acquitted.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:59 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:56 PM

Nor did the judge admit phone and text evidence that showed Martin had tried to sell an illegal firearm, school evidence that he was once suspended for having unexplained women's gold jewelry in his bookbag, or that he'd texted a friend that a recent fight had been no fun because "the dude didn't bleed enough for me."

How would that information have affected a jury?

None of these statements were directly relevant to the shooting.

The judge ruled without bias.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:55 PM

"On the other hand, a retrial may be treated like a brand new trial, as new evidence may be presented. Indeed, sometimes the reason a retrial is necessary is that there is new evidence that was not available before. Also, sometimes new lawyers will be working on the retrial. A new jury will be selected and oftentimes a new judge will be presiding over case. Therefore, a retrial will always be much different from the original trial.
"


http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/criminal-retrial-lawyers.html

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:50 PM

Don T, I am surprised you are unable to understand some posts.
They are quite clear to me and, apparently, everyone else.
It is just you.
(unless you are just unable to challenge about anything actually said)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:50 PM

Don T

"In the modern context with its advancing technologies, double jeopardy would prevent any cold case which had gone to trial and failed, being reopened when conclusive new evidence points to injustice."

I believe that in the US, NEW evidence is a valid reason for a retrial.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:44 PM

"Proverbs 10:18, "He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool."
"


So perhaps Bobert, GregF, and DonT need to pay attention to this, and cease their slanders and lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:42 PM

And since you are trying this entirely new technique of decent manners, I'll respond in kind.

I would be most interested to see your take on all the evidence that the jury was prevented from seeing, to ensure Zimmerman's acquittal.

The jury HAD no choice, on the slanted evidence presented. Why is this judge's obvious bias simply accepted?

Why is there no attempt to bring the prosecution before a jury on a charge of collusion in that bias?

And why, in a civilised society is there no provision to waive "double jeopardy" in the event of a pre-fixed result?

In the modern context with its advancing technologies, double jeopardy would prevent any cold case which had gone to trial and failed, being reopened when conclusive new evidence points to injustice.

That is, I believe, why it has been revoked in the UK, where DNA advances have resulted in a large number of serious criminals (murderers, rapists etc) now deservedly languishing in jail for a very long time.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:28 PM

""Sure Don...it is a question.
Try asking the question 'ARE you listening wannabe activists?'...
Now drop the ARE, and ask the question again "___ you listening wannabe activists?""

You sad pillock, that line was a clue to which of your diatribes in fluent gibberish I was referring.

That last line was the only moderately comprehensible part of the whole, so how about translating the rest into the closest you can manage to coherent text, in English if possible?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 12:56 PM

Proverbs 10:18, "He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 10:28 AM

Sure Don...it is a question.
Try asking the question 'ARE you listening wannabe activists?'...
Now drop the ARE, and ask the question again "___ you listening wannabe activists?"

I'm glad you didn't have any questions about the rest of the texts, assuming you read them..take them in, you might learn something about how political parties, along with the media, can make up shit to exploit, when there was no issue at all, then exploit the emotions, from the expected re-actions. When they don't get those re-actions, they keep pounding it, ad nauseum, and then put forth then 'put forth' their agendas, and pretend it is a 'solution'..........to a problem that never existed in the first place!
These two have been doing it for some time, steering the dialogues, and usually, right off course!

They have exacerbated the racial tension bit, and distorted it, as what part it played into this trial. The media, who has been playing it up, have been whipping up the emotions of BOTH sides, creating a hostile environment...not for 'justice', but for civil unrest. The racial bit, is just a ruse.

Now, you may or not believe that, BUT you should consider it, and THINK. THINK for yourself, and filter out the propaganda tactics. You are an individual, not owned or controlled by any political party, whose method of operation consists of lying through their teeth, at every turn!..then making up new lies to cover themselves, when they get busted for it...and it takes people who are independent THINKERS, who don't go along with their mind control herding of 'sheeple', as in a flock of sheep, that they can steer from bullshit to bullshit.
Our country, and the world is fucked up due to liars, covering the lies of politicians who are bought and paid for, and NOT representing the people or serving them..or even upholding the basic laws on which the whole structure was based. They have corrupted it with their bullshit agendas, which are only doorways to the next 'set-up'.
Do you have racial bias??..I don't...and I resent being accused of it, by a couple of wannabe political bullies, whose track records consist of VERY faulty, and questionable tactics, reliability and motives.....and they suck people into it, with their lying, jive-ass accusations, and skirting of real questions posed to them!...AND..their abuse of those who post posts, such as Bruce, Akenaton and others, whose FACTUAL posts fly in the face of their absolutely unbelievable horse-crap! Then they proceed to smear their characters, when the can't post any FACTS, and only have their unsupported 'opinions' to fall back on.
Now you and I have had exchanges before, and I'm answering you now, because you asked. Do both of us a favor, mostly of benefit to you, to just go over this post, THINK about what I've laid down, see if it matches the truth. All I'm asking for, is for Mudcatters to THINK about stuff before they fire off more hostility. They are NOT answerable to neither the Republican or Democrat parties of disgraceful corruption. Something clean may emerge!

Ok...I was cool to you, just slow down, take the time...you'll see.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 04:50 AM

""You listening wannabe activists????""

Could you manage a translation Goofus, for those of us whose first language is English.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 04:01 AM

Wow, FFS!

That's a load of rubbish, but the way you laid it out makes you look almost literate. Keep practising.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:50 AM

First of all: I'm not scared at all of another one of you attempted blackmails..especially, when all you got is nothing! Oh, and by the way, you're an asshole!

Second: that has been gone over a bazillion times, and you only bring it up when your back is to the wall...and that post was not sent by me.

Thirdly: It's not genetic..and even the 'studies' you introduced, only make a passing remark that there are three 'markers'...but not enough to define it..AND they all allude to what I was saying about the hormonal changes during gestation.(Receptors transmit those changes)..not that you care, or can absorb it...

Fourthly: We've been over this shit too many times, and you still can't get it through your thick skull, with all the evidence against your position!

Fifth: You want to blather about it, take it to another thread!

Sixth: I am pointing out to you, that you and your ilk feed off of other people's negative biases, and reinforce them, even when they are NOT there, and sycophant that negative energy, to make you appear relevant..(Fuckhead!)

Seventh:..This thread is about Zimmerman's trial, and how you psychic vampires insist that the whole thing was racially motivated, and some sort of 'revenge' needs to be extracted, because whites owe it to the blacks, or some crazy shit like that, when, the FBI interview 36 of Zimmerman's acquaintances, and found no trace of bigotry, but you and Bobert's magic crystal ball insists that it was; Trayvon Martin's mother, said it she didn't believe it was racially motivated, but once again, the biases IN YOU and Bobert, just can't believe it; Trayvon was the only one HEARD to make a racial slur; but your guy's ASSumptions know better, of course; Rachel told Trayvon that she thought Zimmerman was a homosexual rapist, which certainly was said so Trayvon would be more 'friendly'..right before Trayvon confronted him...but to you idiots, it was solely about race.....and there is NO,...got that?..NO evidence to support that assumption!..Just shit in your own heads.

Eighth, You guys accuse others here in Mudcat of being KKK, or White Supremacist sympathizers..well OKAY..let's find out...

Will all the Mudcatters who sympathize with the KKK OR White Supremacy please weigh in....I know they are proud of their position, so step forward sign in and tell us that you agree with those groups.

Ninth, how come you mentioned only you and Bobert?..I noticed that you didn't include Greg F, or Don T...what's the matter?...are they too stupid for you???..or just beyond your total control??

Tenth, If you want to create good racial relations, just go out and do it. Less people on here, are buying into your crap of promoting, and agitating negative feelings and racial biases, and trying to create them, where there isn't any..just so you can try to manipulate them...and look 'important', 'wise', and 'all knowing' about all things 'political'..and what YOU see that MUST be adhered to by all....when you never raised your own family, just knocked the chick up an booked it, to enhance your own career, and still can't understand why people who have raised their families aren't buying into your crap...oh, have we said that before?? What the fuck do you know about the priorities of ANY of it??? NOTHING!!!

Now go get some followers and make yourself feel better, but pardon me if I think you're an impotent fraud. Thank you!

Have a nice evening...

GfS