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Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest

Uncle Tone 25 Jun 13 - 01:54 PM
OlgaJ 25 Jun 13 - 02:13 PM
GUEST 25 Jun 13 - 05:01 PM
Uncle Tone 25 Jun 13 - 09:42 PM
GUEST,muppett 26 Jun 13 - 04:51 AM
Dave the Gnome 26 Jun 13 - 06:26 AM
Soldier boy 26 Jun 13 - 03:37 PM
Uncle Tone 26 Jun 13 - 05:23 PM
Uncle Tone 26 Jun 13 - 05:26 PM
JHW 26 Jun 13 - 05:37 PM
MerryLocks 26 Jun 13 - 06:19 PM
Soldier boy 26 Jun 13 - 07:52 PM
GUEST,muppett 27 Jun 13 - 08:41 AM
Soldier boy 27 Jun 13 - 10:51 AM
GUEST,Concerened 27 Jun 13 - 05:32 PM
GUEST 28 Jun 13 - 11:24 AM
GUEST 29 Jun 13 - 07:00 AM
GUEST 29 Jun 13 - 01:30 PM
GUEST 30 Jun 13 - 06:48 AM
GUEST,Guest 30 Jun 13 - 07:18 AM
OlgaJ 30 Jun 13 - 11:46 AM
GUEST 30 Jun 13 - 03:10 PM
OlgaJ 01 Jul 13 - 11:49 AM
GUEST 01 Jul 13 - 01:56 PM
OlgaJ 01 Jul 13 - 03:17 PM
MerryLocks 01 Jul 13 - 05:06 PM
Uncle Tone 01 Jul 13 - 05:23 PM
GUEST 01 Jul 13 - 06:56 PM
GUEST,Matt Kaunz - Dentdale Music and Beer Festiva 03 Jul 13 - 11:18 AM
Uncle Tone 03 Jul 13 - 02:56 PM
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Subject: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: Uncle Tone
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 01:54 PM

Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest 28th-30th June with Gordon Giltrap. Anyone else going?

I'll be there. (I'm the one with the beard..... oh..... 'ang on.)

Dentdale

Tone


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: OlgaJ
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 02:13 PM

We'll be there too. Working on the beard at the moment:) Hope to get to some good sessions as well as seeing some good artists.


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 05:01 PM

To be accurate. It's the Dentdale Music & Beer Festival. Nothing against bearded folkies, but I wouldn't categorise the music as traditional folk, but if you are open minded there is a lot of good music. You might not like the Feud, though.
There are usually good sessions in the two pubs, but they will be jam packed with often two or more at opposite ends. If dry, there will be music on the camp sites and around the village.
Buy a £5 wristband when you arrive to get a pound off each pint you buy.


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: Uncle Tone
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 09:42 PM

"Buy a £5 wristband when you arrive to get a pound off each pint you buy."

Got mine already.

There will certainly be live music in my Hymer.

OK, if the beard is not enough, I'll put a Mudcatter card in my hat-band.

You mean there are other kinds of music than 'folk'?

I look forward to being educamacated.

Tone


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST,muppett
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 04:51 AM

Watch out for Reel Jiggy playing on the main stage on Saturday @ 6.30pm
And Bella Gafney on Sunday @ 3.30pm


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 06:26 AM

Oh bugger. I moved to Yorkshire and could get there quite easily by public transport and what do they do? Have it on a weekend I am in Scotland! Ah well, always next year to think about :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: Soldier boy
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 03:37 PM

Hi Muppett me owld mucker where is best place to camp?


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: Uncle Tone
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 05:23 PM

I'm in here:

High Laning Campsite

Tone


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: Uncle Tone
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 05:26 PM

Beg 'pardon, here:

High Laning Campsite

I'm there from Thurs until Sunday.

Tone


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: JHW
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 05:37 PM

Hate wristbands


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: MerryLocks
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 06:19 PM

I hate wrist bands but if gets you £1 off EVERY pint will make my money back in one session down the festival site. Go to Dent every year wouldn't every want miss it.


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: Soldier boy
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 07:52 PM

Many thanks canalwheeler.


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST,muppett
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 08:41 AM

Hiya Solder Boy,
                Come to Condor farm, only a fiver a night plus you can have one of Mick's belly busting farm house breakfasts for only 4 quid with as much tea as you want.


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: Soldier boy
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 10:51 AM

Thanks Muppett. Hope to see you but still trying to get a pass..!


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST,Concerened
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 05:32 PM

What happened to the splendid festival at sedburgh?


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 11:24 AM

Hurrah! The rain's stopped!

Tone


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 07:00 AM

The £1 off every pint if you buy a wrist band is a bit of a con. What it really means is, if you have a wrist band they'll sell you beer at a fairly normal festival price of £3 per pint. If you don't they will add a surcharge and charge you £4 per pint!

Great atmosphere though, and I suppose they have to make their money somehow.

Martin Stimpson gave us a great set to open the show.

Oh dear. It's raining again!

Tone


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 01:30 PM

See it as a con if you like, but most people regard it as a contribution to three days of enjoyable FREE music for £5 donation, with practically any of the bands worth that alone.
The whole set up is run by total volunteers who buy their beer like you, and take some of their holidays to spend a week getting it ready. They do it because they like good music and beer themselves, like the challenge, and are all mates. No one except the caterers makes a profit to keep, any surplus from the past five years festivals has been given to Dent village organisations such as the play-school, to help keep them going.
There, Tone, I hope you are now feeling a bit mean, and go and buy another real ale before it runs out. It isn't raining yet.


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 06:48 AM

I'm not knocking the festival, the intentions of those who organise it or the causes it supports. Keep your hair on!

But, advertising £1 off a pint with a wrist band is misleading, when that merely reduces the cost to roughly what the local pubs are charging.

It would be more honest to advertise the wristbands as a way of avoiding the £1 surcharge!

I guess you do it that way because if you charged for entry, you couldn't control it?

But while I'm on a high horse, I would also point out that the festival is not at all disabled friendly. Putting the disabled loo at the top of a steep hill away from the site and the beer fest bar is pretty thoughtless. I guess there are good reasons for that too?

Great music though. A fantastic line-up. I'd come back next year.

Tone


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 07:18 AM

My gripe was the lack of car parking, in the main car park there were many selfish vehicle owners who just drove up and parked leaving large spaces next to the next vehicle. Why cannot they be more considerate and think that others need to park other than by the roadside. Next year try to get a local farmer who has just cut his grass charge say £1 for parking which many would be willing to pay. Otherwise a great festival.


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: OlgaJ
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 11:46 AM

Thanks to everyone involved in organising this great little festival. Met lots of lovely people from outside the 'Folk' circle. Must get to more mixed music festivals. No complaints about anything. We were a bit surprised that the Sun kicked us out at 11.00, but then I suppose they have to live with their neighbours the other 362 days of the year!


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 03:10 PM

I only found out this afternoon (Sunday) that there is a back way in from the High Laning Campsite lower field, where there are two temporary toilets that save you climbing the hill for a pee. But still not good for the disabled, like me, who have to clamber over old dry stone walling bricks to get there.

Come on Dent, you have a brilliant festival, but please get it a bit better organised for the disabled and for parking. You could easily use High Lane's lower field for overload parking without any problem at all. (After all they are making a fortune out of your festival!)

A great festival. I don't mind paying £4 a pint with a pound off for a wrist band, but to be honest, you should think it through a bit further, eh?

If the supermarkets upped the price of whisky by two quid then said they were selling it a a bargain price at what they normally sell it, they would be done for false representation. How is your publicity different? In short you are being dishonest. Admit that the wrist band saves paying the premium pound, and you have no problem.

Gordon Giltrap was fantastic especially with his layering techniques, and Bella Gaffney is a rising star without doubt.

And I did enjoy a few pints at just £1pp cost when you thought you would have a lot of beer left over.

I'll be back next year.

I recommend this festival.

It can only get betterer.

Tone


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: OlgaJ
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 11:49 AM

Not sure the organizers can do anything about the fact that the whole village is a series of hills. Wherever you put the disabled loo someone won't be happy with it. Just one thought, three days of beer with a loo at the bottom of the hill where everything is happening and everyone will want to use it regardless of their ability to walk to the top. The other option is to put ALL the loos at the bottom but they need servicing regularly and have you ever tried to sing or play when the servicing truck comes to empty them? Quite an interesting experience I assure you!

Hope you have a better experience next time. I'm sure the organizers will take your comments on board.


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 01:56 PM

Tone,
I should make it clear that I don't represent or speak for the organisers, but I do know most of them, and see how they set up the site.
You make some very valid points that I am sure they will take on board. My wife uses a mobility scooter so was able to use the disabled loo with a RADAR key at the top of the field, but you are right that anyone on crutches or a manual wheelchair might struggle. in previous years, the loos were at the bottom, but following last years flooding and with this years dodgy forecast, it was thought wiser to place them on the nearest flat ground higher up. OlgaJ is also spot on about reasons for not having them too near !.
P.s. just been told that the intention is to have a disabled loo at the bottom of the field next year.

An overflow car park was allocated, but was apparently ruled out at the last minute by officialdom. There were a lot more day visitors than expected in previous years, which did overwhelm the available parking. I suppose you learn as you go on.

Don't be too hard on High Laning camp site.Sure, they do very well out of the festival goers, but you would be surprised at how much they directly contribute towards it.

The numbers must have been at least double what they have been in the last five years, and you were brilliant audiences - I think all the bands loved it and asked if they could come back next year !
Glad you all enjoyed yourselves too, and the village will look forward to welcoming you back next year, but why leave it a year ? And no, I'm not the Tourism Manager or a publican.
Regards


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: OlgaJ
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 03:17 PM

Very positive set of comments. Cheers.


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: MerryLocks
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 05:06 PM

Just loved this years festival more than all the previous ones. The music, the beers, the relaxed friendly atmosphere ticked all the boxes, and it was all FREE! Well done and thanks to all the people that made it possible.


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: Uncle Tone
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 05:23 PM

I'm not knocking High Laning campsite. I reckon they do a great job, and they are a business. They made me very welcome. I noted that they were handling much of the on-site transport too, bless 'em.

I'm glad that there will be a disabled loo near the bar next year, hopefully on a radar key to stop everyone using it?

Having made my points above, I would now like to thank the organisers, the volunteers and the artistes for making Dentdale a very friendly festival. Even the occasional drizzle didn't dampen folks' spirits.

I reckon the guys on the PA deserved all the praise they got. Sound-checking so many bands and artistes on the same stage so quickly, and getting it right nearly every time made it all worth while.

There are some images here, taken before the camera batteries went flat!

Dentdale

Tone


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 06:56 PM

Great set of pictures, Tone, including the free festival bus to the station which promptly broke down. Volunteers immediately came forward to offer lifts to anyone desperate to catch a train - a brilliant bunch of people. Fortunately, the normal service community bus driver agreed to do some extra trips to meet all trains - once again she is an unpaid volunteer - amazing what people will do for others if asked nicely.
Also like the one including the Festival Chairman. His hair was jet black immediately before last years festival, and snow white two weeks later !.
If you have been to previous festivals you'll know him as Roger the Bucket , extracting donations after each gig - now 'promoted' and replaced by the wristbands, which probably brings us back to where we started :))
See you next year.
Regards


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: GUEST,Matt Kaunz - Dentdale Music and Beer Festiva
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:18 AM

I would like to respond to Tone regarding his comments that the festival is dishonest.

An event like this costs several tens of thousands of pounds to run and organise and it's a difficult balancing act to get right.

£4 pound a pint is nearly the minimum price for a pint of bitter or lager at most big festivals, concerts, nightclubs, most city bars and every pub I went into for real ale on the south coast last year. In fact if you go to the Vue cinema in Lancaster they charge you £4.50 for a 330ml plastic bottle of Stella Artois.

Our standard price for drinks is £4 a pint (see below). If we had no discount scheme, with the size of the audience as this weekend (with no wristbands etc) we would probably cover costs and have a small surplus to give back to the community or invest back into the festival.

The drawback to this approach is the financial risk we take as individuals running the festival due to the willingness or not of festivalgoers to pay this price in the quantity we need to sell. To offset this risk and bring the price of the beer down to what we perceive as a reasonable price (or downright cheap if you're coming up from the south) is to have a discount scheme whereby for a small £5 one-off payment we can sell everything with £1 off - the sum of the £5 payments lessens the risk and the festivalgoer gets as many discounted drinks as they want.

Tone I quote you from a previous post - "A great festival. I don't mind paying £4 a pint with a pound off for a wrist band, but to be honest, you should think it through a bit further, eh?"

None of the drinks were ever £5 a pint with a reduction to £4 (in reality £4 to £3 except for the real ciders/wine (£4.50 to £3.50) which are expensive to start with).

We've never deliberately upped our prices to bring them down again, but they've had to rise with the increasing costs of running the festival - our overheads are very different to the local pubs and pay-to-enter events. In 2011, everything was £3 regardless. In 2012 it no longer became feasible to do in house catering, VAT had risen to 20% and with the usual annual increase in most costs we had to go to £3.50 a pint. This year there has also been a sizeable increase in suppliers costs and the added cost of maintenance we've had to do to the festival site since last year's flood damage.

We're trying our hardest to run a FREE festival with 3 days of music and reasonably priced food and drink that works for everyone without resorting to the usual stick a fence round a field and charge you £60 a ticket to get in, £4+ for a drink etc etc etc.

There'll definitely be a disabled toilet located down the hill next year and the more off-road parking problem has been solved (anyone for a spot of dry stone walling?).

Without the assistance of Margaret and Jim Taylor and all the staff at High Laning our event wouldn't happen at all so bear that in mind when posting comments about High Laning.

If anyone has any further comments or questions drop us a line at info@dentmusicandbeer.com.

Thanks for the comments and I hope this goes some way to explain how the festival works.

Hope to see you all again next year.

Matt


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Subject: RE: Dentdale Folk & Beer Fest
From: Uncle Tone
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 02:56 PM

Thanks for that Matt.

I stand corrected.

Tone


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