More Ned Kelly

Subject: More Ned Kelly
From: dbranno
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 08:38 AM

A new thread for Kelly sympathisers - and others of course. You will know who you are?
Not sure how to find the discussion here on Mudcat that ensued after Kelly's remains were re-interred earlier this year. Perhaps a mudelf could help.
I recall some pretty vicious unfounded personal attacks on that thread from persons apparently only partially educated to whom I suggested further reading.
Herewith some further reading...
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2011/australian-identity/republic/ned-kelly-and-the-north-eastern-victorian-republican-movem

There is a far wider debate currently in the world on Heroes and Villains. Edward Snowden is seen as either (or both?) for example. Opinion is divided on the activities of Julian Assange and Bradley Manning for their confronting the powers of empire in order to inform citzens of the heart of darkness at the core of empire. My opinions I imagine are fairly obvious. A little sedition goes a long way I think.

Prince Harry is a convenient conventional (?) high profile 'hero' because he serves mother and country in uniform and kills under orders (just like in his gamespace apparently, where he got lots of practice). I'm sure we can all think of examples of heroism and/or villainy to suit particular worldviews. Any and every soldier who dies is automatically a hero to mainstream patriots of course.

Please feel free to comment.

Regards from 40 degrees south - ShantiMan Branno

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 07:49 PM

I can't imagine Ned Kelly being too worried about unfounded personal attacks.

Any man who could face his execution with the words "Such is life" was above such gripes.

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 10:28 PM

Dave - you can find your earlier posts by clicking on your name in the 'From' line to get a list of everything you've posted by date - 18 posts.

Same way you can see posts by other Catters by clicking their name - I've posted well over 7000 (but I have been around since 2002!)

sandra

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: Andrez
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 07:03 AM

Hmmmm, thanks for that tip Sandra. I managed to backtrack to the original Kelly thread. A passionate little session that was indeed. Still I added a little more to my pool of knowledge about life, the universe, everything and Ned too! So I'm grateful for that. Hopefully a little more about Kelly et. al will come down the line again.

As for messers Snowdon, Assange and Manning those stories are still being told. Reckon there'll be a song or two in it though. Sadly for all their efforts I'm not convinced there'll be a happy ending for the 'good guys'! Any budding Dylans out there?

Cheers,

Andrez

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: dbranno
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 08:33 AM

Thank you posters, for feedback and tips.
The Kelly story is part of the contemporary fabric of Northeast Victoria, families' memories long and strong (once you get off the highway and away from the tourist traps).
Officially, Ned's remains are in Greta cemetery, but I am reliably informed that there is but a block of concrete there, his final resting place somewhere more private.
So, any thoughts on C19th Australian republicanism? How about C21st? Candidates for public office in Oz still swear oaths and affirmations to "Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors"; government ministers (including Prime Ministers) need permission from a Governor General before assuming office.

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 08:58 AM

G'day Dave

It's a long time since we saw you at Mt D - last I heard you were in Tassie.

I am strongly in favour of a republic in Australia but I also like the idea of the government swearing allegiance to something other than themselves - the something being independent of the government and a source of authority. English monarchs, GG's or christian/judeau ideas of god don't fit the bill.

Don't think Ned or his heirs and successors would be much help here.

Phil L

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: dbranno
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 10:18 AM

Hi Phil. Yeah Tasmanistan is the abode these days, the south island.
Maybe we can secede...

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: Andrez
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 07:32 AM

Hmmmmmm! At the risk of thread drift, where might Australian Indigenous people i.e.the original owners of the land, well before the Kelly kin same and settled in Victoria, fit into the Republican 'Bran Nue Dae scheme of things?
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Cheerz,

Andrez

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: GUEST,Phil L
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 08:36 AM

Something went wrong there.

Seems the days of a full grown minge are gone so I guess Australia losing it Map Of Tassie is appropriate.

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: dbranno
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 11:14 AM

Yes Phil - but you can buy a (unisex?) 'Map of Tasmania' apron at the Salamanca market. One size fits all...
@Andrez: that's the big question my friend. I've been reading 'Van Diemen's Land' by James Boyce, presently paused at the appendix on the genocide.
Even in the daylight it's a difficult book to read, especially as I live on the island now, and it feels like it's all just down the road and only yesterday.
Quite a different take on the the island's history to that more generally assumed.
And take the case of that great Australian Pemulwuy, who led the Eora mob in a twelve year war of resistance against the invaders - now there was a hero. One wonders if he and Ned might have had something in common.

Cheers. Keep at it!

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: dbranno
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 11:16 AM

Delete on of the thes from the the island please *grins*

Subject: RE: More Ned Kelly
From: Andrez
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 07:59 AM

Just finished reading "A Town is Born: The Fitzroy Crossing story" by Steve Hawke (2013) curiously coinciding with NAIDOC week. A link to a review in the Murdoch press is here:
A Town is Born

No need to go back as far as the Tassie colony to see what went on in the name of God, Queen and Country. Actually, come to think of it, Republicans, or alleged Republicans (of the Australian variety) are noticeably quiet on the topic of Constitutional recognition of Australian Indigenous people! So much the first part of C21st anyway!

Cheers,

Andrez