BS: Bury the Ashes?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Sep 13 - 06:39 PM

...but now the far-less "tedious" & far-more meaningful Limited Over Series is on, Raggy - how the Ashes should be fought for...

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 13 - 08:56 AM

WAV ........... give it a rest mate, it's getting tedious.

Cheers

Raggy

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Aug 13 - 07:33 AM

The "hot-spot" argument over how to determine whether a batsman was good enough to at least get and edge, rather than SAFELY miss the thing completely, moves to County Durham!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 11:08 AM

Going to the pub all day is a PROBLEM???

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 08:12 AM

The only problem with test cricket is unless I go to a pub all day that is showing it I am not allowed to watch it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 11:23 AM

Agh!! Not THAT Nelson...not sure I'd have posted if I'd seen the 110. Still, nothing fell or broke nor did anything bad happen. Remember the umpire who used to hop about when 111 was on the board?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 02:32 PM

Hi

I managed to watch all of the Game - I even went on the last day with fingers crossed. I am not sure whether this was for hope of an Englang victory or for rain !!

Rain it was, and we know that England survived and hold on to The Ashes.

There is no doubt that Australia gained a moral victory with a much improved performance. They were by far the much better team in all departments.

Can they reproduce that performance for the last two tests??

I believe that England will re-group and produce the form that enabled them to win the first two games.

Yes their batting is very suspect. In six innings in these tests they have not reached 30 runs with the fall of three wickets. Yet they won two of the matches with these poor starts.

I think that the batting will click and give their superior bowling attack the chance to win the games.

For all this poor play there is no doubt that it has produced very exciting and absorbing cricket.

With a little more consistency from the first five batsmen England will in my view run out winners in the next two games.....weather permitting of course.

Pete I am glad you saw me......I felt that you were waving....lol

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 01:16 PM

One hundred and eleven, eye eye eye or aye aye aye, the fabled unlucky number for English cricket teams and a reference to our famed Naval Commander who only had one, eye that is. It's amazing just how many wickets fall when teams are on 111. Such is the power of superstition.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 09:46 AM

The Nelson, Raggy? What's that?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 06:22 AM

Ralphie ~~ I don't read WAV's verse either. But your injunction to him, 'no more of' it, because you don't happen to like it, is a bit inconsistent, is it not?, with your injunction to him to stop commenting on the cricket, but just to ignore it if he doesn't find it interesting. A strong tu quoque to you re his verse. I gather, in fact, that you don't read it; so what skin is it off your nose if he goes on posting it or not?

Just asking. Consistency matters.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 03:56 AM

Autralia ............... probably not, however Australia seem to be getting their act together and to my mind England are still frail in the batting department. The tests at Durham and the Oval should be close matches.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Aug 13 - 03:27 AM

will autralia win the next test?what do people think?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 13 - 02:46 PM

Pete, you got the Nelson !!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 05 Aug 13 - 12:52 PM

Nail-biting morning with England at 37 for 3, but the rain ensured a draw and the retention of The Ashes.

Only been watching the channel 5 highlights in the evening, having had work to do.

MikeL2: I saw you! (Glad your son is okay).

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 02:01 PM

hi

I have been at the Test at Old Trafford for the past four days. It is some years since I saw a live Test Match. I have watched them on TV of course.

What a difference. The atmosphere was gripping and completely different from watching at home. I felt part of the game.

Australia were by far the better team for the first 2 1/2 days. Defeat appeared to be staring England in the face. Then came the Pietersen/Bell stand and things looked up from then.

They fought and avoided the follow-on and then this afternoon they bowled and fielded brilliantly.

Pity that both bad light and then rain interrupted - the game was heading to an enthralling finish.

Fine weather tomorrow may still provide an exciting day - at the moment I would say Australia are just favourites with a draw the next best. An England win would be fantastic but at this stage I believe that is just beyond them.

I hope I am wrong and have already packed my gear ready for tomorrow.

I got the tickets for the game because my son had to have an operation this week and was unable to go. I am pleased to report that he has had the op and although he is very sore he is home and everything is fine.

Just hope England can do it; that would be a great tonic for him.

By the way if anyone was watching on TV I was the one with a white sun hat and sunglasses...lol

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 04 Aug 13 - 07:18 AM

WAV. Whatever.....Leave the real cricket to those of us who understand it. And please, no more of your tiresome doggerel. I gave up reading it years ago. Uninteresting tosh.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 07:16 PM

I just hear the results on the news, Ralfie, and intend to watch the limited-over highlights; we agree on horse racing, by the way - my pome "Horses for Courses?": http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/walkaboutsverse-146-of-230.html

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 06:32 AM

Whose brilliant idea was it to send in Bresnan with half an hour to go? Asking for trouble...

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 03 Aug 13 - 03:14 AM

WAV. If it's such a silly game, why do you watch it? I don't like horse racing or American football. So I don't watch it. It's very easy. Just leave it to people who find it interesting for them. Anything you say here will make no difference whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 06:34 PM

I.e. vis modern technology close scrutinisation these days as to whether the batsman was good enough to at least get a faint edge on the ball, rather than safely miss it completely. Silly game.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 09:29 AM

As to whether a player should walk ...

With each team having a limited number of appeals available, it makes sense to stand your ground. If not given 'out' (possibly because it was a 'no ball') then the opposition have to consider using up one of their appeals. If given 'out' (and you think there's any room for doubt) then your team may consider using up one of their appeals.
If you know for certain that you should have been out then you can choose whether to walk before, or after, an appeal. Your team captain may have his own view on your decision!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:09 AM

"There was daylight between bat and ball - there was no Hotspot and no noise," (Shane Warne re the dismissal of Khawaja)...in which case he had made a WORSE effort than managing to get an edge! Silly game.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 07:34 PM

The one-day internationals? Via Google's Blogspot, my poem "Sunday Cricket and Berries" - http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/walkaboutsverse-115-of-230.html

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:10 AM

Highlights are on 5OD...(All 4 days)

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 06:59 PM

I've only got wind of the test results through here and TV news (it being one-sided quite suits me), but do intend to watch at least the highlights (if I can without Sky Sports?) of the upcoming one-dayers - and certainly not prostrate in a darkened room, Ralphie!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 02:14 PM

I think it is unnecessary to bring in to a discussion, any mudcat members, you tube videos.
For the same reason I do not and have not commented on your music.
The point I am trying to make is this, by bringing something that is not relevant to the discussion[wavs videos], you are making a personal attack, you are bullying and also trolling and flaming, give it a break please, it has nothing to do with burying the ashes.
I do not agree with WAV , I think test cricket is the best from of cricket, but I see no need to attack another persons videos or poetry.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 02:02 PM

Have you seen them?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 01:41 PM

Ralphie,you come over as an unpleasant,nasty person,why do you have to rubbish wavs you tube videos.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 08:33 AM

Oh and BTW, The Aussies are doing rather badly. Not much of a contest, which is a shame. Could be over in the next couple of hours.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 08:31 AM

Dave H. Have you seen his dreadful You Tube videos? Makes you want to stick pins in your eyes. How out of tune can someone be? I'd lie down in a darkened room before watching.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 06:44 AM

Welcome to the Strange World of Walkabouts Verse.

Well at least he's not quoting his interminable insufferable crap poetry.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 05:56 AM

Ralphie - 5 days x 5 "tests" is 25 days of cricket, whereas 5 one day internationals take up...(scratching head)...

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 04:20 AM

WAV. Nothings going to change so you might as well give. And please tell me how the Aussies are going to see more of their families? Commute from Brisbane?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 05:34 PM

Scrapping the "tests", Raplphie, would free lots of time for limited-over internationals, and cricketers would not have to be away from home and family for so long.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 08:00 AM

WAV. Considering the amount of cricket already being played....Tests...40 over matches...20/20 etc during the year. When are you planning to fit in Scot/Irish/Welsh/English matches? Middle of the night perhaps? Meanwhile. The second test (Which you so hate) is progressing in a good fashion. The Aussies are on the back foot, but it's still fascinating stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 06:25 AM

Given the Scots have gone it alone with cricket and are due to play Australia in a one day international, is it time for England and Wales to do the same and compete AGAINST each other and Australia, etc?

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:35 PM

Come on the one-day internationals.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Sooz
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 11:40 AM

Even more hope now Backwoodsman - 120 for 9! "Come on you whites."

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 08:04 PM

Here's when the truer tests begin:
Friday 6th September 2013, Leeds 10:15

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 10:54 AM

182-4. Still some hope, esp. after Jonny Bairstow's lucky let-off!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 09:37 AM

hi

Oh dear 127-4 Trott out 58 !!! Just as it gets better it gets worse !!!

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 07:16 AM

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
Let's hope Trottie and Bell get their act together.
Great shots of The Long Room!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 07:04 AM

Great start for the Aussie's, 40 minutes gone and three wickets to the good.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: IanC
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 03:56 AM

Well ... when an OUT decision is challenged, the first thing the 3rd umpire looks at is whether the ball was a no-ball. If Broad had walked, it wouldn't have allowed for the possibility that it was a no-ball and we still can't be sure if the ball was actually valid.

Broad had a perfect right to allow someone to decide whether he was out or not. If it had been an uncalled no-ball then he wouldn't have been, would he?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 06:04 PM

When I was playing junior cricket and the two coaches doubled as umpires, our coach once told us to make sure we appeal, because he'd seen but couldn't dismiss a batsman LBW as no one bothered to appeal!

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: Gutcher
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 12:41 PM

Greetings all---I have no further comment to make on the morality or lack of it in professional sportsmen and their supporters.
Since my last post at 7.02 AM. I have learned a beautiful song from a thread above the line--"When I Mowed Pat Murphy"s Meadow In The Days Of Long Ago"--- Newfoundland with Irish and Scottish connections. Chust sublime as Para Handy would have said.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 11:07 AM

Pete Jennings ~~ It is the job of the square leg umpire to decide on a stumping or a run out at the batsman's end.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 11:04 AM

Hi Jon

Interesting viewpoint. I think that Clarke knew he had hit the ball. IMO his decision was much more obvious than Broad's. He was challenging in the hope that the umpire got it wrong. After the match he as good as admitted it by saying he does not believe in batsmen walking.
Either way I don't think we will see any players walking in the next games in the series !!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 10:40 AM

2. In the second Australian innings, Clarke the Australian Captain also refused to walk. He was given out by the umpire but challenged the decision. Only after being given out by the 3rd umpire using the technology did he walk. I have not seen any vilification of him as as happened to Broad.

Presumably Clarke made the challenge (as allowed by the DRS system) as he believed he was wrongly given out.

Whether one agrees or not with Broad's decision not to walk, I don't think there is any doubt that he knew the umpire was wrong. His challenge to the umpire (to compare with Clarke challenging the umpire) would actually have been to walk.

Subject: RE: BS: Bury the Ashes?
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 10:29 AM

Hi

An interesting discussion Gentlemen.

can I add a couple of salient points ?

1. I don't think that the Broad "catch" was straightforward at all. The wicketkeepers gloves were almost touching Broad's bat and the deviation was unusually high for that kind of snick.
The umpire who did not give him out is considered to be the best in the World at the moment.
Broad is primarily a bowler and as such has had to put up with many decisions of batsmen who refuse to walk.

2. In the second Australian innings, Clarke the Australian Captain also refused to walk. He was given out by the umpire but challenged the decision. Only after being given out by the 3rd umpire using the technology did he walk. I have not seen any vilification of him as as happened to Broad.

3 I played League Cricket at various levels in various parts of the UK. I can tell you that whether to walk or not has always been an issue. It got progressively more common NOT to walk over the years and now I believe that anyone who does so is in a very small minority.

Cheers

MikeL2