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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: The Sandman Date: 06 Aug 13 - 10:45 AM correct, you do not have your facts right, fracking causes pollution. please do not use sexist remarks[acknowleding your errors like a man]. the bullshit here is that this company is going to spend money on exploration only, and you are repeating this bull shit. incidentally I have central heating that is not oil or gas, i grow my own trees and coppice them, WHICH IN MY OPINION IS MORE ECOLIGICALLY SOUND THAN FRACKING FOR GAS OR OIL. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Rob Naylor Date: 06 Aug 13 - 10:22 AM Schweik: Where's the "bullshit" in my post above? The only post I've made on this thread. It's a FACT, regardless of who I'm employed by (not a fracking company or an oil company). I made absolutely NO comments about whether I'm for fracking or against it in the post above, I was merely correcting your incorrect statement "AS I UNDERSTAND IT NEITHER ARE THEY FRACKING FOR OIL OR PETROL AT BALCOMBE.they are fracking for shale gas. Which is plain wrong. I say again, they are drilling for oil at this site, not fracking for shale gas. So instead of acknowledging your error like a man, you jump down my throat, accusing Me of not getting my facts right when in fact the erroneous point was yours. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: The Sandman Date: 06 Aug 13 - 08:48 AM rob naylor , i might drive a car, that does not mean that i am in favour of drilling for oil via fracking, neither does it mean that I wish the oil companies would allow alternative forms of ecoligically less harmful transport to be developed,the oil companies have a vested interest in us buying their oil, in the meantime the amount of money that oil companies spend on developing alternative forms of energy is not very high. "so much bullshit and misinformation going around" especially coming from you, rob naylor , get your facts right or are you employed by a fracking company or an oil company? |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Rob Naylor Date: 06 Aug 13 - 05:44 AM GC Schweik: They're not fracking for anything at Balcombe with this well. The current exploratory drillng is FOR OIL, NOT FOR GAS, AND IT'S NOT INTO SHALE STRATA! And they're not planning to frack it! So much bullshit and mis-information going around. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: The Sandman Date: 06 Aug 13 - 04:13 AM Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: OldNicKilby - PM Date: 01 Aug 13 - 09:03 AM So none of you uses Oil or Petrol in your cars nor Gas for your central heating then.." I do not use gas for central heating., AS I UNDERSTAND IT NEITHER ARE THEY FRACKING FOR OIL OR PETROL AT BALCOMBE.they are fracking for shale gas. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Aug 13 - 09:20 PM Guest: "Maybe folk music was more interesting when it had a political edge, and now there is less political songwriting we are all the poorer for it?" I tend to agree with that statement, and Will Fly. The biggest problem 'folk' artists are having to deal with, is they think that 'protest' is somehow synonymous, with toting the 'party line'! Right now, there is NO party toting the human condition line. The play 'pretend'..and if you 'play' their phony line, you aren't saying anything, anyway. ...and then you wonder why the music is irrelevant...but you aren't saying anything different, than the 'talking points', on the news!..and then you think it's supposed to 'catch on'....naww, I don't think soooo! GfS |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,contact Date: 05 Aug 13 - 12:57 AM http://www.cuadrillaresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Appendix-C-Environmental-Risk-Assessment-Balcombe-Method-Statement.pdf |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST Date: 05 Aug 13 - 12:08 AM Who is the contact for musicians?? |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,davemc in the fracking heartland of Lancs Date: 04 Aug 13 - 06:40 PM Love being warm, love having electricity to switch the lights. Fantastic that this new source of British gas is becoming a reality. Fracking is fantastic news. Not risk-free, of course; but neither was the mining that folkies get so teary-eyed and nostalgic about (ad nauseum). Just hope that the stupid pre-existing international gas agreements allow the Brits to benefit and not keep the price artificially high for what is our own resource. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Vic Smith Date: 04 Aug 13 - 04:12 PM I wrote:- "would it be more likely to be a chamber ensemble, a string quartet or would it be the sort of small folk or jazz group?" Will Fly replied:- "I'm not so sure of that, Vic - I know plenty of "classical" musicians who are far more political and left-wing in their activities outside music than I am." This photo is of a musician playing one of Bach's Cello Suites at the Balcombe protest site. The score at the moment is: WILL FLY 1 VIC SMITH 0 |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Vic Smith Date: 03 Aug 13 - 01:30 PM Jim wrote:- "... just put Joe Corscadden into Youtube Or watch it by clicking here |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Date: 03 Aug 13 - 01:01 PM re previous message- just put Joe Corscadden into Youtube |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 03 Aug 13 - 11:18 AM I'm going to write a ground shaking song about this subject! Indeed, I live in a fracking zone: The Fylde. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Date: 03 Aug 13 - 07:17 AM Good. They're bound to smell a lot better than the DT anyway. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,John from Kemsing Date: 03 Aug 13 - 06:52 AM Further to the discussion about funding the protest, today`s "Daily Telegraph" reports a high street perfumery chain, by the name of "LUSH", is the main contributor giving £20,000 to "Frack Off". It also offers support through the shopfronts and it`s web site so we are told. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Date: 03 Aug 13 - 06:11 AM A topic which is of great interest in the Leitrim/Fermanagh area of Ireland, which is faced with similar vandalism. This is considered to be a 'desolate waste' on the same lines as the north of England, by cynical Irish politicians and developers, the same ones who got Ireland into the f... mess it is in at the moment. Joe Corscadden of Tubbercurry, Co Sligo has an interesting monologue- have a look at |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Vic Smith Date: 03 Aug 13 - 05:37 AM There has been much in our national press about "outsiders" coming in to protest in Balcombe. This is an issue for locals only, they argue, they are the ones who should be involved. They are correct! Let's support these fine, honest, unbiased publications in their endeavours at removing incomers from all involvement in this issue. But, where to start? How about starting with the firm that are despoiling the Sussex environment and threatening the quality of our air and water? Cuadrilla is a joint venture between private equity firm Riverstone and the Australian engineering group AJ Lucas. They each have 41% share, with management holding the balance. Riverstone is based in New York. Not that many local connections then. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Will Fly Date: 03 Aug 13 - 04:20 AM backing, hacking, jacking, lacking, packing, quacking, racking, sacking, tacking, yacking |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST Date: 03 Aug 13 - 03:53 AM A song about fracking. I'm sure you cn do better than this American effort, although fracking does not rhyme with much else http://explainer.net/thefrackingsong/ |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST Date: 03 Aug 13 - 03:50 AM Maybe folk music was more interesting when it had a political edge, and now there is less political songwriting we are all the poorer for it? |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Ron Davies Date: 02 Aug 13 - 11:10 PM "I suspect the use of music.." I would argue that as long as there has been any element of social injustice in "folk music"--rich vs poor, for instance--and that's been a long time--politics has been also an element of "folk music." I imagine it depends on how broadly you interpret "politics". |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Bearheart Date: 02 Aug 13 - 07:01 PM PS I have it from a friend in Ireland tapped into these things,that, with very little fuss, about 50 Ulstermen showed up at a site where a Swiss company was preparing to drill, surrounded a piece of machinery, and pushed it over on its side. When a spokesperson came out to address them one of the guys punched him in the nose and then threatened further bodily harm. A few other things were also done, the upshot of it was that the company pulled out. Of coourse that is Ulster. And they are not publicizing it in the papers, according to my friend, who has always been pretty reliable on these things. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Bearheart Date: 02 Aug 13 - 06:46 PM Folks, I have been supporting Frack-Free Sussex, and similar groups in Britain, from this side of the pond because I KNOW first hand what fracking does-- I have seen it happen to friends near me in WV, and also I am fighting it in my own state and community. I can tell you horror stories: a flock of 100 sheep who lost almost all the lambs of one season (in excess of 40)from still birth and birth defects. Land owners dying of liver cancer and other horrible diseases after their water was contamininated. These are people I have personal contact with. In addition to this, once they get a foothold these companies break their promises over and over-- they do not respect property rights, they care nothing for lives destroyed. And governments do not protect you after the fact, from what these companies do.I have been priviledged to visit England a number of times and what I know is, your land will not be what it was once they gain access-- don't let them do it!!!! And the Green options are growing all the time-- solar and wind are constantly being made more efficient. WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS! A blog I get daily, and go to often, covers all the latest on renewables and while it is based in the states it covers cutting edge news world wide. http://blog.cleantechies.com/ Today: Aussie Algae Fuel Provides Hope for Green Oil Published on August 2nd, 2013 by Celsias The Economics Behind the Migration to Clean Energy Published on August 1st, 2013 by 2GreenEnergy Scituate, Massachusetts is 100% Powered by Renewable Energy Published on July 31st, 2013 by EnergyRefuge.com (Scituate is a small town of 18,000 + people near Boston) As for keeping folk music out of politics... Traditionally music is always the way the way that people have fought back best-- Pete Seeger built his carreer on it, Jean Ritchie has written songs about the effects of strip mining in her native Kentucky...but many unsung heroes have documented the fight for equality in the work place, fair wages, decent working conditions. How is keeping poisons out of our water and air different??!! it is all still about justice-- environmental justice is social justice. Now more than ever. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,John from Kemsing Date: 02 Aug 13 - 01:40 PM Vic, As you suggested a letter to that effect has been sent to the reporter, one Victoria Ward at the D.T. Perhaps she could be identified and interviewed on site. Whether we get an answer is another matter. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST Date: 02 Aug 13 - 01:27 PM |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: The Sandman Date: 02 Aug 13 - 01:06 PM If i did not live in ireland but lived in sussex, i would be protesting about fracking |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Vic Smith Date: 02 Aug 13 - 11:40 AM John from Kemsing wrote:- "..... professional activists ......" Hmmm, I know many of those taking part in the Balcombe demonstrations and, do you know, not one of them is being paid for taking part? They are all amateurs and local people. In fact, some of them are losing money by taking unpaid leave from their employment to be at Balcombe. So, John, please could you contact The Daily Telegraph and ask them to supply the names of the firms/organisations/individuals that are paying these "professional activists" so that I can pass the information to may friends who are participating in the protest? |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Will Fly Date: 02 Aug 13 - 11:32 AM Think of the sort of group of musicians that would be most likely to turn up to play in support of the sort of protests that we are seeing in our county; would it be more likely to be a chamber ensemble, a string quartet or would it be the sort of small folk or jazz group of the sort that you have been playing with for decades? I'm not so sure of that, Vic - I know plenty of "classical" musicians who are far more political and left-wing in their activities outside music than I am, and I've known some jazz musicians who were very much to the right of Genghis Khan. A bit like Mudcat, really! I've played all sorts of music over the years - including in orchestras - as well as the stuff I've done in other areas. I'm currently working my way through a project to catalogue a 3,000+ archive of sheet music which I've been given - everything from classical pieces to jazz standards to revue from the 1910s, to operettas from Vienna, popular songs by Porter, Coward, etc., etc. - all wonderful stuff. Nearly all the product of the "mainstream music industry", by the way. It's a common saying that all of life is political, whether you choose it to be or not, but my love of what I play is driven first and foremost by beautiful melodies and harmonic progressions from any source. The "mainstream music industry", whatever you might think of it, is also capable of producing music which is as moving and exciting and as beautiful as material from the traditional world - and a lot of it is played by jazz musicians. The point I'm making is that I don't consciously mix the act of making music with political action - I never have done - and I'm dubious of "unconscious" motives as well. By the way my personal political actions in years long ago included, among other things, 2 Aldermaston marches and getting mixed up with the Grosvenor Square squabbles, so I'm not exactly apolitical. I - like you - also don't want to see the county I've lived in for the last 45+ years being buggered about by an unscrupulous oil industry. As I said earlier, I've actually been up to Balcombe to see what's going on, but I have doubts about the value of playing folk music there as a real deterrent. I think a large load of mud and cowshit piled across the door of a Cuadrilla director might make more of an impact! |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,John from Kemsing Date: 02 Aug 13 - 11:18 AM Lizzie, some "desperate" villagers in Balcombe are reported to have complained that" professional activists and celebrity campaigners have hi-jacked the cause, creating more disruption than intended".(Telegraph, July 31st). They, unfortunately, by their presence, give sincere demonstrations a bad name. As regards water pollution and earthquakes no greater than these islands regularly experience, the jury is still out. Both sides of the argument in the U.S. cannot provide facts to bolster their case; also scientific opinions there do accept that water from below can, by virtue of its ability to dissolve certain of the materials in which is stored, contain natural chemical particles that do us no harm whatever, "fracking" or not. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Date: 02 Aug 13 - 11:07 AM Sorry, I should have added that I wish Balcombe wasn't so far away. I'd be there like a shot otherwise. Mind you, we in the desolate and empty north west (if you believe Lord Howells, that is) are sitting on one of the biggest banks of shale anywhere in the world. And the fracking companies are looking at it with immense interest. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Date: 02 Aug 13 - 11:04 AM Vic, I agree absolutely. In fact I'd go further and say that the entire folk tradition is political. It is political because according to the powers who rule and divide us, we the plebs are incapable of making or appreciating anything which is grand or noble, or capable of expressing fine feelings; in short, anything which could be defined as art. Sorry Will, but the Joe Heaneys, the Lizzie Higgins's, the Roscoe Holcombs of this world punched a very large hole in that argument long ago. Vic. See you at Whitby, where we will doubtless engage in a few political acts together. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Vic Smith Date: 02 Aug 13 - 11:03 AM Ahem! I'll try again...... Will Fly wrote: "And what political arena am I entering when I play a 3-part slip jig at a session?" In the narrower sense, none. In a broader sense all musical activities are political. I would argue that by taking part in a session that are making a broad political statement. You are saying "I am playing here without being paid. By doing so I am abandoning the mainstream music industry that would seek to control manufactured recorded music which is geared to producing maximum sales whatever the quality of the output." You are also saying, "By playing traditional session tunes rather than the conservatoire music that originally derived its living from the paternalistic patronage of the landed gentry, I am associating myself with the class of people that these tunes derived from." Think of the sort of group of musicians that would be most likely to turn up to play in support of the sort of protests that we are seeing in our county; would it be more likely to be a chamber ensemble, a string quartet or would it be the sort of small folk or jazz group of the sort that you have been playing with for decades? In the end most of the actions that we take in out life have a political element in them. >>>>>o<<<<< And to return to the theme of this thread. * I have no wish for the air in my area to be polluted by the smell of burned-off methane. * I have no wish to stand in the evening on Ditchling Beacon, just above the pub where you play regularly and see upwards of a thousand flares burning off methane and destroying the air and visual splendour of an area that has been declared a National Park * I have no desire to see the domestic water supply of my area to be polluted by the chemicals (including hydrochloric acid) that Cuadrilla are seeking permission to pump into the bedrock below our county. This has proved to be the case in areas where fracking has been carried out extensively both in New Mexico and Australia. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Vic Smith Date: 02 Aug 13 - 10:41 AM Will Fly wrote: "And what political arena am I entering when I play a 3-part slip jig at a session?" In the narrower sense, none. In a broader sense all musical activities are political. I would argue that by taking part in a session that are making a broad political statement. You are saying "I am playing here without being paid. By doing so I am abandoning the mainstream music industry that would seek to control manufactured recorded music which is geared to producing maximum sales whatever the quality of the output". You are also saying, "By playing traditional session tunes rather than the conservertoire music that |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:58 AM Jim, just so's you know, next time 'Woody' hitches a lift, the people of Balcombe are DESPERATE for others to join them, from all over the country. The vast lorries delivering the equipment have already done much damage to the country roads.... Last night, the Cuadrilla bastards lit the flare, so they are now officially drilling. RIP Mother Earth...and I apologize hugely that ONE species has done all this heartbreaking damage to you. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Spleen Cringe Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:33 AM Will, I think you may be onto something... The Ballad of Lord Howells and his Travels in the Desolate Wastes of the North, perhaps? |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Will Fly Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:19 AM Of course opinions on the human condition have been part of song for a long, long time, but that's a far cry from saying that all folk music is "in politics". The interesting thing about the songs in the "rebel" list is that they were written about a particular contemporary event. The modern equivalent for this thread would surely be for songs to be written particularly about the drilling at Balcombe - or about fracking/drilling in general - and then disseminated far and wide... |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:17 AM If Folk is the music of the people then it SHOULD be political.. & I would say that it always has been whether overtly or not an outlet for political voice. In terms of "Fracking".. coming from the remote and barren wastes of the North East... we have our own problems...... Lord Howell is one in need of a good Fracking |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Spleen Cringe Date: 02 Aug 13 - 08:00 AM I know I'm continuing thread drift here, but I would hazard a guess that as long as humans have had opinions about the world around them they have expressed this in song. That's not to say that all folk is political or that politics is or should be the only subject for a folk song, but I reckon it's one of the many strands of human experience represented. To back my thoughts up I offer this possible evidence: English Rebel Songs 1381–1984. Others may come up with something more substantial. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge Date: 02 Aug 13 - 07:03 AM I `ad one of those professional protesters in my cab the other day. But `e was one with a difference. `e `ad `is guitar and lovely T-shirt with "FRACKING BRING IT ON!" all written down the front and a lttle pocket to `old `is benefits card. `e said, "What-o Jim, Could you get me to Waterloo please. I`m going down to that protest in Balcombe." I said, "Blimey Woodie. You`ll bring the pains on down there with all those Greenies and Letstopitalls. `sides, the villagers `ave `ad enough of `em already. They need more "blow ins" like an `ole in the `ead." `e said, "No problem, Jim. I`m just trying to bring some balance to the situation. I`ll be singing "When the lights go OUT again in London town!!" Whaddam I Like?? |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Will Fly Date: 02 Aug 13 - 04:23 AM I suppose, to be accurate, I should mention John Gay's "Beggars' Opera", which was not only a satire on Italian opera sty;e but on the government of the day. But that's a far cry from "And we both sat down together, love, to hear the nightingale sing"... |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Will Fly Date: 02 Aug 13 - 04:20 AM Folk music has never been "out of politics". With respect, Ron, I would disagree. Traditional songs have covered all sorts of topics, including social injustices, but I suspect the use of music in politics - folk or otherwise - is not a centuries-old tradition? And what political arena am I entering when I play a 3-part slip jig at a session? Tunes without words - a massive part of traditional music - have no connection with politics whatsoever. I personally keep music and politics completely separate, which is not to say I'm apolitical. The test drilling at Balcombe, as it happens, is not too far from me and - as it happens - I've been up there out of curiosity to see what's going on and talked to some of the local people, who are utterly against it. My take on this, as with other, similar protests, is that they give publicity to the issue - in this case, fracking - but they don't actually stop the work going ahead. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 02 Aug 13 - 12:11 AM I Would feel for you...little tasty pasty...
Greasy fingers are irksome . Sincerely, Gargoyle |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,. Date: 02 Aug 13 - 12:01 AM You are a work. Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: Ron Davies Date: 01 Aug 13 - 10:43 PM "Keep Folk Music out of politics". This is an absurd statement. What universe have you been living in? Folk music has never been "out of politics". |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: bubblyrat Date: 01 Aug 13 - 01:33 PM Open up the coal mines . Bring back steam trains . Build houses with fireplaces and chimneys . We have the resources to last for several hundred years . Keep Folk Music out of politics . |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Date: 01 Aug 13 - 01:23 PM Yes and we'd like to see it extracted by a damn sight safer means than fracking. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: OldNicKilby Date: 01 Aug 13 - 09:03 AM So none of you uses Oil or Petrol in your cars nor Gas for your central heating then |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Date: 31 Jul 13 - 09:31 AM Here's a link to a petition calling for an end to tax breaks for the fracking industry. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Date: 31 Jul 13 - 09:28 AM Is there a socialist choir in those parts? If there is I'm sure they'd be delighted to go along and sing. |
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Subject: RE: Balcombe Protest Asking For Musicians From: The Sandman Date: 31 Jul 13 - 07:43 AM if i was in the area i would make myself available. |
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