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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Sep 13 - 01:10 AM Well he was the front-man for the thread behavior...and we were drifting. You guys should take up the other topics that you're introducing on this thread, and put them in the thread where they belong....otherwise he would be forced to demand another apology, but this time from you guys....unless, of course you're both tripping....and that would certainly explain a lot! I'm getting 'offended' just thinking about it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 03 Sep 13 - 09:06 PM What's gn-ze gotta do with your little problem, GfinS??? Projectionism, polymorphous perverse guilt, I donno??? Maybe something in the middle... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Sep 13 - 08:10 PM Wahhhhh..waaaah wahh......................Thread drift..call gnu! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 03 Sep 13 - 07:05 PM GfinS lives in a small universe, Don... The problem with small universes is that you really don't get exposed to much outside of it... This explains the Klan... Most of them came and come from small universes... This, sadly, also explains GfinS... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Don Firth Date: 03 Sep 13 - 04:43 PM Anyone who reads the crappola you've posted on various threads can't help but come to the same conclusion. No comprehension blockage on my part, Goofball. I see you exactly for what you are. As does everyone else. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Sep 13 - 04:35 PM oooops..in keeping with the thread topic, and not wanting to perpetuate your guy's thread drift, let me re-state: Firth: "It's obvious from your above post and your posts on the "Zimmerman" thread that you seem to think that the wanton murder of the jogger in Texas and the robbing and killing of the old man by blacks somehow excuses the murder of Trayvon Martin,...." "It's obvious from your above post and your posts, that if you think that that is what I'm saying, then you are hallucinating to the point of being a frothing imbecile of staggering proportions! Nothing excuses ANY of it. You are suffering some some sort of comprehension blockage while 'peaking' ...go seek help! GfS P.S. Have Bobert explain 'hallucinating' and 'peaking'. I certainly wouldn't want you to make up what I've been saying......AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from sanity Date: 03 Sep 13 - 04:04 PM Firth: "It's obvious from your above post and your posts on the "Zimmerman" thread that you seem to think that the wanton murder of the jogger in Texas and the robbing and killing of the old man by blacks somehow excuses the murder of Trayvon Martin,...." "It's obvious from your above post and your posts, that if you think that that is what I'm saying, that you are an imbecile of staggering proportions! Nothing excuses ANY of it. You are suffering some some sort of comprehension blockage...go seek help! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Don Firth Date: 03 Sep 13 - 03:09 PM Goofball, crawl back on the microscope slide where you belong before some lab assistant swabs the lab table with disinfectant and obliterates you. It's obvious from your above post and your posts on the "Zimmerman" thread that you seem to think that the wanton murder of the jogger in Texas and the robbing and killing of the old man by blacks somehow excuses the murder of Trayvon Martin, a black teenager wearing a hooded sweatshirt, who was guilty of nothing but walking home after a trip to a convenience store, by a trigger-happy self-appointed vigilante. Each of these incidents must be judged individually, and each one of them has its own dynamics. Reading your posts makes it abundantly clear that you are a racist, a homophobe, and an egregious waste of both internet band-width--and protoplasm!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Sep 13 - 01:41 PM Where's gnu, when you need him??..I find your post utterly offensive...waaaaaaaah!!!...(need to call the Waaa-mbulance) BTW, I don't do right wing blogs....just this one. If I did, I'd tell you...nor am I a right winger, for the thousandth time, but I understand, you look at EVERYTHING through party lines, (therefore missing at least half of what you could be perceiving). Bobert: "It's you who needs to get out more and see just how some of the crap that you parrot from right wing blogs and fake news sources sounds to people who do get out and know what it going on in the real world..." He says on the LSD thread!! Very Appropriate!!! Let's talk when you're done tripping! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 03 Sep 13 - 11:40 AM I do get out, GfinS... That, perhaps, is why I fully understand what the KKK and other hate groups have and continue to be all about... It's you who needs to get out more and see just how some of the crap that you parrot from right wing blogs and fake news sources sounds to people who do get out and know what it going on in the real world... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Sep 13 - 10:27 AM Then you should get out more often! I wasn't defending Zimmerman, but rather pointing out the law, and refuting the claims that it was only about race. I also was pointing out, for guys like you, who bantered the race card around, that if YOU were REALLY concerned about race relations, that you would have been fair about BOTH sides, and taken issue, with certain cases that involved a black guy shooting a white baby in the face, or blacks shooting a white foreigner in the back, or three blacks beating an 88 year old guy to death....and then trying to justify it, as saying, 'It was ONLY for robbery', or 'ONLY for FUN', or ONLY for any other reason than what it was....after all that would be like saying Zimmerman, shot Martin ONLY to protect his neighborhood'!!!! Killing is killing....speaking of which, you never offered an answer, or even a guess, at what did all these guys have in common. At least Firth gave it a try...but he was wrong...probably trying too hard over that Petri dish trying to 'modify' genes....taking whiffs too often and cluttered his brain, with toxic ideas, that were compatible with his toxic behaviors!! He's been high on it ever since....but alas, you might explain to him the 'discomforts' of the 'come-down'! ....and you owe everyone an 'apology' for the thread drift, ala gnu's whining......UNLESS, your positions are flashbacks and brain damage form taking too much acid! Sounds like it to me! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 03 Sep 13 - 08:07 AM Sorry, GfinS, but when I hear folks worshiping and defending Zimmerman as forcefully as you and the other guy have done all I hear is the KKK... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Don Firth Date: 03 Sep 13 - 12:37 AM Surprisingly enough, Goofball is cultured. In fact, he was cultured in a Petri dish. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Sep 13 - 11:41 PM Bobert, you must be cracking up!...Good one.... BTW, you haven't apologized for calling me a KKKer.....and just for that, you'll have to only blow Firth....but remember, as I've told you before, Suck Bobert suck..blow is just an expression! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 13 - 07:28 PM Schizophrenia is a different beast... LSD doesn't make you hear voices that aren't there... Might distort what you are hearing, however, but for the most part, for the better... Yo, gn-ze, You might as well be talking to a box of creek rocks... GfinS is so used to busting on people that he no longer sees it... Kinda serial... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Jack Campin Date: 02 Sep 13 - 07:15 PM Lysergic acid diethylamide, introduced in 1938 by Albert Hofman was invented to introduce a schizophrenic state so that psychiatrists could study it further. No it wasn't. The psychedelic effects were sheer fluke, nobody knew enough to plan something like that. Hofmann says: I had planned the synthesis of this compound with the intention of obtaining a circulatory and respiratory stimulant (an analeptic). (quote from his book, at LSD, My Problem Child) The effects are nothing like schizophrenia anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: gnu Date: 02 Sep 13 - 04:46 PM GfS... I DID ask Bobert. I asked him in the post just before yours. Maybe that is where you got the idea? And I got an answer. So, there ya go. GfS... YOU owe Bobert, me and every other Mudcatter, an apology. If you can man up to it. I doubt that will will ever happen. Hasn't yet and you have have MANY opportunities. Pint made, yet again. gnightgnu |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 13 - 04:18 PM Well, Gn-ze, I have been personally attacked by GfinS so much that I don't pay it an attention... I mean, if my name is in one of GfinS's post you can take it to the bank that it is another - yawn - personal attack... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: The Sandman Date: 02 Sep 13 - 03:12 PM Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Jack Campin - PM Date: 30 Aug 13 - 01:45 PM Thousands of stills don't go far with a couple of hundred million people. The gross effect of Prohibition was that much less alcohol was consumed in America. And, as that blog points out, the crime rate fell. Some people drank more, some people made illicit fortunes, some people got riddled with bullets, but the OVERALL effect was exactly as the legislators intended. jack campin is seriously deluded, much less alcohol consumed, crime falling? my opinion is the opposite, crime increased[look at al capone, aman [one of many who made a lot of money out of committing crime during prohibition] jack, please stop talking complete rubbish, unless you can back up your rubbish with some factual evidence, what evidence is there to prove lees crime was committed,does it not occur to you that perhaps more crime was being committed but not detected, because the police force was corrupt? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Sep 13 - 11:56 AM Stringsinger: "fried fatty fast food (Pardon the alliteration)" Pardon the alliteration??? WHY???....I thought it was pretty good! ....and besides, only the Governor can pardon you. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Stringsinger Date: 02 Sep 13 - 11:46 AM I've known LSD users and some have gone to mental institutions after bad trips. I think Timothy Leary was crazy as a loon. Sane? Well, eating deep fried fatty fast food (Pardon the alliteration) will keep you from being thin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Sep 13 - 12:00 AM You'll have to ask Bobert how he took it...that being said, Bobert and I have been busting each others ass since I first saw his post about him bitching about having to mow the lawn for P-Vine, and having to clean up the yard first. Sometimes things get a little 'heated' when he gets bullheaded about the Democrat Party, and how everyone who doesn't understand the backward ways of the south, must be a KKKer..or Tea Party fanatic...but other than that, he gives really great head! Actually, as posted before, we musicians are definitely a peculiar people...and I'll have to say one thing to your credit......ummmmm............................... ........ummmm.............ummmmmm.............. ..........(can't think of anything)........ No really, since your bit on here a while back, I think it was really a catalyst, to remember, for all of us, to keep busting ass, and to take things a bit more light-heartedly....and for that, (I don't know about those two other Bozos), but I thank you...honestly. Warm Regards, GfS You owe me NO apology, man...but I WOULD like a link to some of your music! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: gnu Date: 01 Sep 13 - 09:51 PM Okay then. Let's settle this. Once and for all. Bobert. Did GfS personally attack you in his post that I quoted or are you guys just shootin the shit in good fun? If that is the case, I shall apologize to GfS and beg his forgiveness for my ignorance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:07 AM Well, 'I have multiple personalities, and NONE of them like you!' GfS P.S. My grandson bought me a T-shirt that says that on the front. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:57 AM Uh huh... Maybe that's why I keep hearing these voices??? But then again, it might be someone actually talking??? I donno??? I'm still lookin' thru my old books for those two tabs of Mister Natural and if I find 'um then maybe we can get to the bottom of this??? B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Stringsinger Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:22 AM Lysergic acid diethylamide, introduced in 1938 by Albert Hofman was invented to introduce a schizophrenic state so that psychiatrists could study it further. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Sep 13 - 01:07 AM I wonder who died and left him boss... gnu, It might occur to you, someday, that after all, the Mudcat Forum is mostly musicians. You might think about this, for just a minute...there are people on here that accuse others of being 'trolls', such as you have in the past. Have you ever considered that the 'trolls' are the ones who hijack musicians to focus solely on politics, instead of music??....and music just happens to be a higher calling than politics! Did it ever occur to you that the angst that we throw out to, at, or with, each other on here is an essential tool that lyric writers and musicians, actually use constructively?...without really having to deal with the actual 'hate'?...(except, of course Don Firth who Bobert is still teaching how to eat over the sink, without dribbling onto the floor?..a trick I taught Bobert, because the 'P-Vine' wouldn't let him even eat in the house. He took it far less 'personal' than you have, by self inflicting this hostility upon yourself. Even Don Firth, whom I've gone around with ad nauseum, likened our 'exchanges' to fencing...he was selling stolen lines to his fence...and nobody has hassled DonT for picking both sides of his nose while holding his breath while typing! Here, you need to lighten up..quit being so hard on yourself, (You can take that any way you want), and stop taking all this so seriously....after all, you can learn from us....because maybe we don't take you so seriously, either....but we can exchange ideas, like writers and artists do. Your posts aren't going to 'change the world'..or even make a dent....but our music may. So if you want to do something REAL drastic....write and play a REAL FUCKING GREAT piece of music...and if it touches someone's heart, soul or mind, then write another one, even better!...and that one is no 'joke'. Anyway, that's what we do on here...think of it as an emotional scratchpad....take the 'notes' and the FEELING, and translate it into sound...the kind of sound that is not limited by the concepts of words, but bi-passes that obstruction, and goes straight to the heart. ................OR.......being as we're in THIS thread, read the title, and consider what is being said by whomever started it! Chill....or as we all heard, back then, 'Maintain'..... Here's to happy constructive thoughts that frees you to work your craft.... Cheers! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Don Firth Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:17 PM Goofball has quite a stutter there. (With friends like that, who needs. . . ?) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: gnu Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:15 PM Really? So, GfS... are you saying this is just a big fun game? Bobert and you are just having fun? Nobody else (including any who have said otherwise in this thread) is pissed off? It's ONLY me. You and Bobert and the others are just having me on and playing a joke on me? Hahahaha. Oh dear! I feel a fool. Silly me. Forget I ever said anything. Me sincerest apologies. Boys will be boys, eh? My bad. Just one last thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:11 PM Jeez typos AGAIN!! Yes we have....jeez, I didn't even tell him that you got me to say the eulogy at your dead turtle's funeral and memorial service! BS: LSD keeps you sane: ...OR....he's never dropped...and thought this thread was an invitation! ...OR...he's never dropped, so it isn't keeping him sane! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:10 PM Yes we have....jeez, I didn't even tell him that you got me to say the eulogy and you dead turtle's funeral and memorial service! BS: LSD keeps you sane: ...OR....he's never dropped...and thought this thread was an invitation! ...OR...he's never dropped, so it isn't keeping him sane! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 13 - 09:58 PM I think that we have entered Sillyburg... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Aug 13 - 09:55 PM I forgot to 'sign in'....the last post was indeed mine! "From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Aug 13 - 02:36 AM Hey Bobert, someone keeps rattling my cage that I 'offended you'...really??..Where?" "GfS From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:58 AM Hey, I'm a blues man and you gotta get up real early and pack two lunches to offend me and you, GfinS, ain't an early riser... B~ " gnu, YOU are being an instigator of crank bullshit!. Bobert and I are friends, and we bust each others ass quite regularly..we give each other shit...but we also supply the toilet paper...so, my suggestion to you, is write your little note...no, better yet, make it a BIG one, roll it up, and shove it up your little pansy ass! Oh, and have a happy day, and smile as you do it! Jeez, What a flake! GfS P.S. Thought I'd add this 'P.S.'....gnu, pal, you've got some serious issues. You've taken on being a 'spokesperson' for people who either don't need one, or you feel like usurping the power to put words in everyone's moth, and then being an obnoxious jerk about. If YOU have issues with me, why don't YOU 'man up to it' and quit blaming your pissy attitude onto other people, that you are pretending to 'champion their hurt feelings'!!~ Either be REAL, or just suck it up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST Date: 31 Aug 13 - 09:43 PM "From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Aug 13 - 02:36 AM Hey Bobert, someone keeps rattling my cage that I 'offended you'...really??..Where?" "GfS From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:58 AM Hey, I'm a blues man and you gotta get up real early and pack two lunches to offend me and you, GfinS, ain't an early riser... B~ " gnu, YOU are being an instigator of crank bullshit!. Bobert and I are friends, and we bust each others ass quite regularly..we give each other shit...but we also supply the toilet paper...so, my suggestion to you, is write your little note...no, better yet, make it a BIG one, roll it up, and shove it up your little pansy ass! Oh, and have a happy day, and smile as you do it! Jeez, What a flake! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 13 - 08:29 PM Here's how it really worked... Runners were carrying 100 gallons of shine every night into the cities and there were thousands of runners... Do the math... Those stills were on every creek with fresh water in the South... I just attended a seminar on the history of moonshine last month and whereas, yeah, the stills were smallish and only produced 10-15 gallons a day, it all added up to a massive amount of shine... The book is very informative... This was way beyond just a few stills and a couple hundred gallons... It was an entire industry... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: gnu Date: 31 Aug 13 - 08:27 PM GfuckedupS... sweet JAYSUS have you no shame? How can you keep up this charade of utter bullshit? Here it is again... WTF is YOUR PROBLEM? ************************************************************** Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: gnu - PM Date: 26 Aug 13 - 02:03 PM GfS... I believe your post at Date: 26 Aug 13 - 12:32 PM to be a personal attack and certainly not germain to the topic. ************************************************************** Seriously. WTF is YOUR PROBLEM? Listen you piece a fuckin trash. Either you man up and apologize to Bobert and the rest of us or I am write a god damned letter! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Jack Campin Date: 31 Aug 13 - 08:07 PM For a lot of people in remote places, Prohibition probably made very little difference. People with a tiny still in a cowshed weren't worth the authorities' while to chase after - but they also didn't produce enough hooch to hurt anybody. You get a similar drinking culture in the Balkans - people send their fruit crop to a small local distiller and get it back as unlabelled bottles of clear spirit. I'm pretty sure the gummint always knows about it and takes a cut, but big business doesn't. And you don't see many drunks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 13 - 07:32 PM Here's something that you'll find real interesting, Jack... Even after prohibition was repealed moonshine was still the drink of choice for a large number of Southerners... Buy the book... You'll enjoy it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Aug 13 - 01:32 PM I must be trippin' or I might not be 'sane'..but it's 100! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Jack Campin Date: 31 Aug 13 - 11:33 AM The sources I had for the effects of Prohibition on consumption were academic journal articles on paper that I can't now get at. It's remarkably difficult to find an on-line source for such a simple piece of information as estimates of US per capita alcohol consumption over time. There is an easily available table of taxed consumption over time, which obviously doesn't address the point. The link I gave does a good job of shredding the myth that Prohibition was an exceptionally violent period. I did come across some rather telling secondary sources, though. The American far right (of the Friedmanite and soi-disant "libertarian" persuasion) is scared shitless of the idea that government regulation might ever work. They have a few discussion papers which implicitly accept that, prima facie, the facts suggest that Prohibition did in fact significantly cut overall alcohol consumption and make a large improvement in public health, and then proceed to generate billowing ideological smokescreens to say why you shouldn't believe the obvious facts. So, somehow, they got hold of the same data I've seen. The Cato Institute (one of the groups taking this line) is substantially funded by Coors. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Aug 13 - 11:06 AM Shit me!!..I posted around 5:30 this morning...I've been waiting for you! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:58 AM Hey, I'm a blues man and you gotta get up real early and pack two lunches to offend me and you, GfinS, ain't an early riser... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Aug 13 - 02:36 AM Believe me, I believe you! Maybe a few times in-between too, huh? Hey Bobert, someone keeps rattling my cage that I 'offended you'...really??..Where? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 13 - 07:48 PM They make moonshine now here in North Carolina that can be bought at the ABC stores... It's okay but small bubbles... Small bubbles means less alcohol... The P-Vine won't even drink it... Says it tastes bad LOL... Actually, I can make a quart size Mason jar of good shine last a year... I only drink it if I'm going to be working outside when it is cold outside, like cutting wood... Nice once or so steadies the nerves... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest fom Sanity Date: 30 Aug 13 - 07:39 PM in addition: Bobert: "You must be kidding, right??? Moonshine was available to anyone who wanted it... It's not some story that has grown legs over the years... It was very, very big..." GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Aug 13 - 07:29 PM Bobert: "GfinS has addiction issues..." Hey, YOU'RE the one who's into the moonshine! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 13 - 07:19 PM Yo, Jack... You must be kidding, right??? Moonshine was available to anyone who wanted it... It's not some story that has grown legs over the years... It was very, very big... I have just finished reading "Driving with the Devil, Southern Moonshine, Detroit Wheels and the Birth of NASCAR" which just deal with a sliver of the story... The book was is written by Neal Thompson... You should read this book which just provided a glimpse of just how big this was... Thank you, GUEST, 6:01... GfinS has addiction issues... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Amergin Date: 30 Aug 13 - 07:09 PM I keep reading this as "The LDS keeps you sane". I keep wondering what acid you've been eating... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Aug 13 - 06:35 PM Nameless 'Guest': "Therefore, simple logic leads to the only conclusion..." Only one?????? Perception, perception, perception, ..and no one is 'troll baiting'..... Perception, perception, perception! (or lack of it). GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LSD keeps you sane From: Don Firth Date: 30 Aug 13 - 06:35 PM Yeah, Guest. After he reads my above post, it will be interesting to see what kind of wild-assed fiction Goofball makes up about my lurid life as a drug addict. I'm looking forward to that. (A little time-release Tylenol when my back starts bothering me. Hard to get high on that stuff, though). Don Firth |
