Miley Cyrus

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 10:56 AM

Yes, Suzy, I think that Miley Cyrus, like many other young women in show business, is probably being victimized and controlled by her money-hungry handlers...who are undoubtedly a bunch of rich men in suits, busily perpetuating the worst aspects of the old virgin/whore stereotypes and fears that have been unfortunately bequeathed to this civilization by the most negative, deranged aspects of its ancient Christian religious traditions.

And I do have compassion for her, just as you say.

(I see both good and bad in Christianity, by the way...much of both. But I'm referring to the bad part in my remarks above. Many battles were fought in the early centuries of the Church between liberal forces and conservative forces, literalists and non-literalist, patriarchal forces and gender-inclusive forces. The most regressive conservative/patriarchal/sin&guilt-focused forces unfortunately won most of those battles up until quite recently, and it is due to their victories that women have been so oppressed and exploited in most of the last 2,000 years of "Christian" civilization.)

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 11:32 AM

Now here's another magnificent song by Mary Chapin Carpenter:

Between Here and Gone

This song, a reflection on the mysteries, joys, and sorrows of life, death, and mortality, was written by MCC upon hearing of the death of singer-songwriter Dave Carter.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 11:49 AM

Man, you guys obviously think this young woman is a complete moron. That's probably a little meaner than not liking her act.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 01:47 PM

I have no particular reason to think she's a moron. For all I know, she may be a very intelligent girl. That would not necessarily protect her from what happens to a great many young women in the "entertainment" business when hundreds of millions of dollars are involved.

I think, Jeri, that you're just intent for some reason on finding and continuing to find something...anything to oppose in what we're saying here, looking for the worst way to interpret it, and you're misreading it due to your own fervent desire to have some reason to continue to disagree.

Consider the stunning possibility that we too respect women, young women, freedom, and truth just as much as you do, and we are also grownups...like you...and you might not have to construe the various things we say from such a negative angle.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 03:29 PM

What's the difference between rape and sex? Rape is crude, unexpected, usually occurs in the wrong setting and happens without my permission.

If I am watching an awards show on TV, perhaps with my children, and Miley Cyrus suddenly comes on and starts doing pornography, that's a lot like rape. It is crude, unexpected, is happening in the wrong setting (my living room, not a strip joint) and happens without my permission.

TV viewers may be kind of stupid, but we're not THAT stupid.

I think we're going to find that Miley Cyrus has done her career a lot of harm.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 05:41 PM

Little Hawk, it's not about me thinking you don't respect women. It's me thinking you're interpreting this strangely and so upset that you try to divert discussion by posting lyrics by songwriter you respect.

I think she knows what she's doing. You don't. I don't believe it's the best course of action or even a good one, but it IS her decision. To think it isn't and to say she's being controlled implies she's ignorant, or stupid.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 05:56 PM

Well, if she isn't being controlled, she is ignorant, or stupid, or both.
She has been, I believe, a role model for little girls everywhere, has she had even a thought for those impressionable little girls without whom, she would be just another wannabe actress.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 10:29 PM

What's a Miley Cyrus?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 10:32 PM

Know what a Google is?

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 10:37 PM

Is it really necessary to point out that Ms. Cyrus will prabably make more money this month than Ms. Carpenter will in her lifetime? It's not about art. Or quality. Or morality. Or taste.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 11:06 PM

Google?

Yeah, the last name of an old comic strip character. His first name was "Barney." He had a hillbilly friend named "Snuffy Smith," and there was also a horse in the comic strip named "Sparkplug."

Yeah, I know all about Google.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 04:53 AM

What's a Miley Cyrus?

It's a bit like a Billy Ray Cyrus bit not as achy-breaky.

:D tG

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 02:56 PM

You have very good taste in music Little Hawk :-)

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 03:09 PM

Miley says that all she wanted to do was "make history."

What's more, "You're thinking about it more than I thought about it when I did it. Like, I didn't even think about it, 'cause that's just me. ... I don't pay attention to the negative."

Really kind of pathetic. No kidding.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/miley-cyrus-breaks-post-vma-silence-insists-detractors-132834225.html

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 03:31 PM

Just a bit over the top.

Hell, Madonna was a nun compared to this chick!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 04:09 PM

It's fine that Cyrus wanted attention, it's part of the fame machine that she's been a piece of since she was herself a child. The thing that pissed me off about this whole affair was the explicit and targeted exploitation of children, who as we - and Cyrus' machine know -form her core of Disney fans.

In case anyone's interested, one of the major techniques that paedophiles utilise in the sexual grooming of underage children, is subverting and exploiting key expressions of childhood. By which I mean the sexualising of teddy bears. daddy figures, and other usually 'safe' favourite childhood memes (I was once raped by a man wearing a father christmas suit, which may make some of you laugh).

When adults explore fetish / paedo-ish themes involving childhood toys and old men/women in their sex play, of course that's fine, just so long it's with an informed *adult audience*. To knowingly fuck about with such stuff with a *child audience*, is exploitative and pervy.

Someone said above that they assumed that children should know the difference between fact and fantasy. It's nice that they have such confidence in their progeny, because in fact a lot of children aren't able to make such a clear distinction; particularly of course when led by a 'trusted' adult. It's such innocent assumptions by caregivers that represent one of the prime causes of otherwise cared for children ending up being sexually abused.

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 04:48 PM

Really kind of pathetic. No kidding.

Like I said way back. Just another bimbo - who gives a shit?

Subject: RE: Miley Cyrus
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 06:19 PM

CS....Sorry to hear that sad story.

I agree with every word of your post...well said.