BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 11:13 PM

Mr. Shaw, regarding your post of 04 Dec 13 - 06:44 PM--

I disagree.

I haven't time right now to explain why I disagree, but I'll be back.

In the meantime, do not patronize me. I don't take kindly to that!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 08:56 PM

I haven't a clue what you're on about. My name's Steve Shaw. Who are you? or youse? Without this info further discourse is useless!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 08:20 PM

To be fair it is you i wanted on this Steve,or your type.See i Don't care if you destroy it,it is what i am after.Just in case you had made any assumptions.No ego here.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 07:56 PM

Thanks guest 8).I bet there is a few more littered through.
      Steve pick the most annoying bit to you and i will try clear it up for you.Listen mate until you have done the leg work you can't see this i know that.You can't help talking about this subject without plagiarising as it is old news,done to death.There is always those that won't have it,despite being surrounded by evidence.I don't get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 07:39 PM

Friggin' "guests"!!

Anyway, first "guest", the one with the longish rambling post, I have an intellectually-driven answer for you right here. It goes like this.



Ahem:










Yeah, right...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,:-)
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 07:21 PM

The word you mean to use is implying, not inferring.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 07:17 PM

I meant Hawking and no i am not inferring he is a closet God botherer.8)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 07:02 PM

You are all obviously passionate about the subject but you need another angle.What is it that makes this subject so divisive could be one,other than using extremes.
Also if a scientist took a sample from each tradition and mapped just the physical symptoms it is sickenly obvious they are all realising the same thing.The scientists here throw the baby out imo.I totally understand hearing it cold like this sounds too simple.But that's because it is and a huge portion of society have realised this,the horse has bolted.All the thousands who have exp this have seen the likes of Brand and so forth speak openly about it and it has opened the floodgates.On that note i caught a clip of Bono alluding to his stirring,that was the word he used.Now this frustrates me because if everyone just came out with it it would be less of a big deal,because it isn't.Plus what flaming use is it if we all can't have it.
    Ideally i would love us as a race to take the clutter away from it and see the universal thing that it is.Then religions would dissolve.For the fearful Christian or Muslim this doesn't denigrate their religions it confirms them imo.
Yes same ole but surely you can see this now in 2013, that all religions are trying to deliver a higher state of consciousness.Name me one that isn't.Also these holy mens/gurus brains can be tested in the lab to show they operate differently,the data is out there for the scientifically minded.
Alot of very savvy people are suggesting we should do away with money and the way we do business and instead view your lifeforce as currency,i personally think that would be a huge step forward.
I'm with ake and think it's time we took stock of what we really need(Pope thread)It's an age of realisation we need,to take stock and see what history is,never ending cycles of same ol shighte an madness,lets stop it.We have tried everything all systems fail yet any could work if we fixed what needs fixing most urgent,our psyche/sub conscious.
    Hawkins was mentioned in the other thread,did you know he used to time holding his breath in the bath.Testing his lung capacity if i remember right, it is like meditation ..which helped deliver his "eureka moments" was it two he had i forget as i said.Those that take it to the limit in deep meditation see the quantum,be the quantum.
    Not in our lives maybe but one day science will deliver this up for us,mapping it i mean.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 07:01 PM

By the way, Co-M, which GIT was it who was supposed to be mass-producing those medallions of Seaman Staynes walking the plank? I've just had a bill for four grand from some bloke who reckoned he'd reclaimed the metal for them from melted-down Worthington E cans and spent £2500 on Lapis Lazuli paint for Sailor Boy's hat brim. I've seen one example so far and the bloody pink paint was already peeling off Sailor's pants' front. Have we got a contingency fund (hopefully not consumed by Betty Swollox's gin habit) or does this mean bloody bingo again? Dave, have you kept your numbered balls?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 06:44 PM

And YES, there IS a strong element of religious belief in atheism. You apparently have faith that there is no God or some manner of Supreme Being, or all-pervading Consciousness. When, in actuality, there is no real way of knowing for certain, one way or the other.

Don, Don, DON! No self-respecting atheist will tell you there is any real knowing for certain. We're all deliriously happy with that. But there is not only no strong element of religious belief, there is no element of "belief" whatsoever. In common with most atheists I've ever discussed this with (a few), we predicate our attitude to the existence or not of God on evidence, pure and simple. Faith simply don't come into it, much as opponents of atheism would like to think so. I'm an atheist, I suppose, but I couldn't be more open-minded about God's existence if I tried. I just want some evidence (I have quite a high bar for qualifying evidence, I admit). If I get evidence I'm happy. If I don't get evidence, I shrug. To date, I've discerned no evidence. I don't mind discussing what I'll take as evidence, but that's for another time, maybe. "Faith" means accepting stuff told to me without evidence. That doesn't mean for one minute that what I'm being told isn't true, but, if it is true, there will be evidence, and I want that evidence.

Faith ugly. Evidence beautiful!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:42 PM

Gnome, if that is the best you can do

What a wanker...

Dtg

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:39 PM

Send out an emergency call for Billy Goat Gruff!

This, and other threads, are infested with brainless trolls!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:39 PM

Do the words 'Fuck Off' and 'Knobhead' have the same meaning in American English?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:38 PM

Won't be long before all that are left on this forum are piss takers and trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as the troll concer
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:15 PM

You see !!!!, how long did that take?..In shaw comes, dribbling out the corner of his mouth, thumb and crayons plugged firmly up the round brown, mouthing crap ..

Hang on a bit!!! I have just realised the thread has been started by Seaman Staynes in disguise.. Yo! Yo! Yo! Barnacle balls ..how are they hanging?

It is no good trying to hide with the very small initials jts we are on to yer game..you owld nautical fraud!!!

Common ground?.. you bettyer!! the same pseudo crap you have always been involved in you salt stained charleton!!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:14 PM

Please be sure to look up "Militant atheism" before you try to dismiss it as having no existence.



Be sure to look up atheist militarism, too. Then look up your own arsehole.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:13 PM

Elves, please merge this thread with the other one. Nothing new whatsoever.

A thread to discuss, say, the BHA may have more chance of some kind of consensus. If we proceed towards the question "what exactly do religious people seek in their religions, and is that necessarily in conflict with science and freedom of thought?", I would like to participate. The chances at the moment are close to zero; the protagonists are not interested at all. Not in discussing religion, not in discussing sciences, hardly in discussing ethics. Some want to win and to convince readers of their agenda, others just practice public "onanism" (Musket's self-accusation).

Merge them, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:07 PM

I am not a particularly religious person myself, but Jack B., you are abysmally ignorant of what Christianity is all about if you think that's all there is to it.

And YES, there IS a strong element of religious belief in atheism. You apparently have faith that there is no God or some manner of Supreme Being, or all-pervading Consciousness. When, in actuality, there is no real way of knowing for certain, one way or the other.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:05 PM

Oi, bonkers conkers, Wacko's back! What's with the curmudgeonliness? You should be celebrating! The rest of us are!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:03 PM

Dress to the left of what?

To the left yer frontal pant zip, you ignorant unworldly wazzock! Anyway, never mind about that. I bat left-handed. OK?

(I'm ambidextrous with a mouse but I think my trick-cyclist is on the case...)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as the troll concer
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 05:00 PM

Usual half formed codollogy crap fostered by half formed codollogy brains...

But,,LO!!! just wait and see the ginger cake eating centrist balloons and frauds like shaw, wizzjet,gnomet and the rest of the left of center pricks come along with their pseudo intellectual crap and ruin a perfectly sensible nonsense thread..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 04:58 PM

Hey Wacko! Good to see ya!

Hey, Joe, he's started yet another. Any chance of having him vivisected?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 04:42 PM

By common ground you mean you want people to agree with you, JTS?

There is no credo or doctrine to Atheism other than the simple promotion of good common-sense denied to us in the hearts of the religious on pain of eternal damnation in the furnaces of The Dark Fellow and his impish hoards.

That's about the sum total of Christianity. It's vile, exploitative and the sooner it dies out the better.

If it is militant to oppose such a rancid set of lies, then so be it. But it is no way shape or RELIGIOUS to do so. It is the very opposite of religion.

It says, stuff religion up your sanctimonious arse and get a life. Come join us in the real world and celebrate your uniqueness.

Subject: BS: Militant atheism has religious aspects?
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 04:26 PM

Can we at least find common ground in this one simple point?

Please be sure to look up "Militant atheism" before you try to dismiss it as having no existence.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 04:19 PM

Thought you had a date with Musket on the far lawn.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll who is not a troll
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 04:01 PM

Oh gust!!!! you are sweetxxxx

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 03:50 PM

Oh fer crying out loud confused he has only one testicle,you insensitive hoor...(that is it innit) ;-)Ok i'll tell him it's a masonic thing.Rumour has it he has had the lop too,and it's bent i hear.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 02:59 PM

Dress to the left of what?, you centrist small minded fence sitting pallooka ?

Gnome, if that is the best you can do it is time for you to join the greased up, inflatable,fish smelling ,ginger cake inhabited bag lady class...along with the rest of them silly people>>

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 12:30 PM

I dress to the left. That OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 07:49 AM

Keep up, Conc. Left testicles have been mentioned numerous times. Maybe not as often as crayons but often non the less.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,troll replacing the troll who is not a troll
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 07:18 AM

That wasn't the question shaw you buffoon..NUT? left wingers? where? what? how?

If you are as confused as all that shaw it is time you give up...shaw the Marxist..pass me a sleeve I need to laugh up it!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,musket giggling
Date: 04 Dec 13 - 01:06 AM

I never stare. Its rude xx

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 04:25 PM

I always vote for the lefties in the NUT elections.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as the troll concer
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 03:15 PM

"I always vote left wing"

Now that is one of the most stupid remarks I have heard shaw, even for you.

Pray tell me in words that everyone can understand, exactly what party in this dirty capitalist non opposition state is anywhere faintly resembling "left wing"...If you can do that with a credible explanation I will.....ah!! leave that to your very dubious imagination..

Me sweet cheeks muskett is staring to get a little risquexxxxxxx

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 02:53 PM

I vote with my right arm, although my left arm holds the ballot sheet.

You have wings mate? Perhaps you should be the only messiah, I have nothing like that to be co with.

Except an advanced sense when it comes to football of course. Oh, and playing guitar, banjo and fiddle I suppose I no longer need toys I stick in my mouth..

Hey! This shouting abuse at decent people who don't deserve it isn't much fun at all. The worm must get around to explaining why it's fun cos be buggered if I can see the fun. My co Messiah is a decent bloke and all that.

Although my new lover no longer flirts with him. Can't work out whether that's good or bad?

The first part would get bad if Mrs Musket got a whiff of my excitement.

And what's more, I don't have to watch any of the worm's videos to prove it!

Perhaps Keith, who loves trying, unsuccessfully to be fair, to prove the worm's claims can find evidence of scientists showing gay porn and measuring erections, let alone concluding that decent people are repulsed by it.

Well Keith? Another opportunity to make me look a cunt and then complain when you fail?

(Just thinking aloud. Many people are repulsed by any porn, so perhaps sex is wrong after all? Oh Cock.....)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 02:37 PM

I always vote left-wing. That OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,troll replacing the troll who is not a troll
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 02:34 PM

You know, the more you read shaws pathetic attempts at intellectual funniness, the more you have to feel sad for the rest of humanity when they realize that this pallooka has the vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 11:52 AM

Yeah Keith. They even spell it the same as scientist. No wonder the worm gets confused when watching his DVDs.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 11:50 AM

Teehee my arse. How to tell when a (wo)man feels threatened! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll replacing the troll who was really
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 06:48 AM

Tee Hee.. you really have to laugh at the shyster shaw..trying to get in with the big boys by trying to be pathetically funny with his shit eating sexist jokes and sayings..I verily believe now he must have been the biggest sneak and toady at school.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 05:41 AM

Those scientists should know better I suppose Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 05:03 AM

Just read the one below your own Steve, THAT should have you in stitches!! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,musket again
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 01:14 AM

Me? I can't wait to be told all the other interesting things these scientists get up to. Apparently they don't just measure stiffys! Or should that be stiffies? We'll have to ask dictionary corner.   Oy Keith!

Phew. Well. At least the worm isn't denying the accuracy of either mine or other people's contributions on his one trick pony subject.

Except the hilarious claims about weird experiments leading to even weirder conclusions. Oh, and that gay people are far too promiscuous to ever want marriage. Hang on, add the distortions over health and a sprinkle of liberal agenda. ...

Funny how he reckons I have no wit yet he comes out with claims that make you laugh but are borne of hatred so perhaps aren't funny after all.

As I said before, one day bigotry will not be respectable. There are far too many lavender marriages to please simple minded parents as it is. The BBC presenter Clare Balding said on her Desert Island Disks that when her sexuality became known, her own grandmother called her a disgusting tart. A Scottish bloke I used to work with in London wanted to really be working back home but was actually scared of his father finding out that he loved another man. Add as many sad accounts as you wish at this point.

Crazy world.

Then you see why.

Perhaps you aren't funny at all you disgusting little man.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 13 - 05:55 PM

Ian, scientists conduct experiments or studies on many different subjects.....you really do need to get out more.

Your inane and distorted posts are getting too boring to read.
Who on earth led you to believe that you have any wit or humour about you?
Irony requires a degree of subtlety.

Gosh, an angry-man post that says precisely nothing. I love it! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Dec 13 - 03:58 PM

Ian, scientists conduct experiments or studies on many different subjects.....you really do need to get out more.

Your inane and distorted posts are getting too boring to read.
Who on earth led you to believe that you have any wit or humour about you?
Irony requires a degree of subtlety.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 13 - 03:57 PM

Watch it shaw you are nearly developing a sense of humour, I say nearly because you think by sidling up to me with your sexist crap I will be nice to you..NO WAY fraud...

Yessir, yessir...but may I drink from the furry cup? Pretty please???

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Dec 13 - 03:38 PM

Dave, Musket suggested I relied on one historian, Max Hastings.

The truth is that I have backed my statements with quotes from Richard Holmes, Peter Hart, David Stephenson, Fritz Fisher, Dan Todman, Gary Sheffield off the top of my head.
There are others on the BBC History site.

I formed my opinions by reading history, so it is easy for me to produce historical evidence.

Musket believes a version of History based on his politics, not any historian's findings, and is reduced to stating "historians should know better" because none support his version of History.

I take it you have not been following the Armistice thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 02 Dec 13 - 03:16 PM

Luv you too honeybuns! XxX

I gave the worm a double lack of knowledge and submitted it by accident, I meant to add "anybody's knowledge."

There are a few scientists on this thread, with or without crayon syndrome, and Iused to research a bit myself when gagging for a doctorate. Let's take a straw poll..

Can any of the scientists here remember asking men to watch gay porn and seeing if they get a pan handle? I can't recall doing it to be fair, but I did once buy a dildo as part of an experiment, (my thesis was on mechanical vibration and the industrial pokers were a bit too fierce for a bench top wave pool....)

Sorry worm. None of the scientists recall doing that experiment. You must be dreaming, or been watching Clockwork Orange. Or peddling filth, I forget.

And now... By special request, I shall sing a Tom Paxton song just for my mate Keith.

Ahem...


What did you learn in school today, sweet little Keith of mine?
What did you learn in school today, sweet little Keith of mine.

(I bet you thought I was going to sing

I read it in the daily news!

But I didn't."



Here Steve, don't try growling at the badger whilst the worm's experiment is in full swing. Badgers have big noses but not that big....

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,troll replacing the troll who is not a troll
Date: 02 Dec 13 - 03:14 PM

Watch it shaw you are nearly developing a sense of humour, I say nearly because you think by sidling up to me with your sexist crap I will be nice to you..NO WAY fraud...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 13 - 03:00 PM

Oh dear..the usual no nothing stumble-bums regurgitating the usual half digested crap.Now they have added misogyny and gnome hating to their so called poo filled thoughts...if folk want to go for the easy pink or the hard brown, or to munch the wilton, that is completely their choice

Permission to growl at the badger, please sir?