BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 10 Nov 13 - 10:09 AM

"What is wrong with people believing in what they want to believe in and choosing your own sexual orientation?"

The short answer is: Nothing!

But leaving aside the bit about sexual orientation (perhaps for another thread?) what we're arguing against here is NOT religion per se but religious FUNDAMENTALISM - which many of us see as dangerous and potentially repressive. Religious fundamentalists don't want to stop at believing nonsense - they want to force other people to believe their nonsense too!

"The very concept of human superiority over nature is an arrogance I cannot abide and an ignorance that cannot be tolerated. I'll go further: the very idea humans can have dominion over nature and are somehow separated from it is a teaching of the most diabolical evil. I don't use the word lightly, but profoundly evil it is and has caused (and still does) so much needless suffering. That people still place any weight such utter crap is depressing and deeply sad."

Very well said, Stu! Hear! Hear! I'll go further and state my belief that this poisonous, life-hating attitude has its roots in the Christian religion and another reason why we must resolutely oppose Christian fundamentalists.

All of my life I've had to endure the sight of the world being brutally dismantled around me - and I'm sick of it! I'm now an active conservationist and have undertaken to dedicate the rest of my life to this cause. If we destroy nature, we will inevitably destroy our own species. We are part of nature whether we like it or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 10 Nov 13 - 09:34 AM

Well gnomet..I had worked that out for me self..but I do take your point about the fanatics..at the risk of sounding like the baby wizzjet ..I assume you meant hope not hop ..but there again like you I don't give a toss ..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 13 - 09:22 AM

What is wrong with people believing in what they want to believe in and choosing your own sexual orientation?

Very well said, Conc. I am serious this time although I do realise that that doesn't matter :-) The whole point of this and the earlier thread was to try and smear the atheist with the same tar brush as the religious fanatic. Which is why some of us chose to take the piss out of it. If you look back in the thread there are umpteen examples of both Messiahs, me and other people saying we do not care what people believe in as long as they do not try to push their beliefs on us. Be that religious or sexual preference.

The religious fanatics will now come back and say that they are only defending their religions against us taking the piss but you need to ask yourself this question. Who started this thread? Who started the last one? Who starts all the threads that try to make people believe in their religions? You don't even need to look up the answer as I think you will very quickly realise it is the religious fundamentalists that start them.

Hop that helps. Well, I don't give a toss if it does or doesn't really but you know what I mean

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Stu
Date: 10 Nov 13 - 09:20 AM

"I am disappointed that though you still make some arguments, your tone is otherwise beginning to get like steves."

I don't mean to cause offence, but sometimes I think you're taking the piss.


"I note stu, that you are still equating natural selection with evolutionism."

No I'm not. Natural selection is a mechanism of evolution, not evolution itself.


"I refuse to accommodate your equal status"

The very concept of human superiority over nature is an arrogance I cannot abide and an ignorance that cannot be tolerated. I'll go further: the very idea humans can have dominion over nature and are somehow separated from it is a teaching of the most diabolical evil. I don't use the word lightly, but profoundly evil it is and has caused (and still does) so much needless suffering. That people still place any weight such utter crap is depressing and deeply sad.

We're nature, nature is us. We are related to every living thing on the planet, perhaps even beyond (panspermia) if ecosystems prove to be spread out across solar systems or even galaxies.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 10 Nov 13 - 09:02 AM

At the risk of sounding like some one who actually gives a shit..

After nearly two thousand posts could one of you self satisfied, pedantic, judgmental cretins actually explain to me in lay persons language, without cut and pasting and quoting lots of semi digested pseudo academic crap..

What is wrong with people believing in what they want to believe in and choosing your own sexual orientation?

My view always has been if you believe in religion it is a very personal thing and it aint up for question.equally if you are an atheist that is your choice

In my very humble opinion if you want to be gay or whatever it is your choice.

That would save a lot of this backward and forwarding.

Mind i verily believe that without this kind of forum most of you would be lost without quoting your self styled superiority or better die from self abuse .

I have met most of you in folk clubs ..you are the smug ones who give the fifteen minute explanations to a three verse song invariably read from a massive lever arch file....

please get a life.. you all have my heart scalded..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 13 - 06:41 AM

" ... but Darwinism has yet to prove ANY mechanism that demonstrates microbes to mudcatters evolution."


But, pete, Christian fundamentalists, such as yourself, have yet to prove that God even exists. And it would appear that you can't answer such questions as:

- What materials did God use to make his creation from?

- Where did he obtain those materials.

- What materials is God made of?

- Where did he come from?

You can't continually point to supposed 'flaws' in scientific theories when your own models of reality are so untenable. "I read it in an old book of uncertain origin" does NOT count as a scientific argument!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 13 - 05:02 AM

Is on of my quotes? Assuming that should be one of my quotes there are two things wrong there. 1. It is not a quote. Just a word and 2. Yes, you did use the word earlier in the thread in the context that you don't like toadys.

Self loathing must be a terrible thing...

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 02:19 PM

Come Come gnomet..and that is not an invitation you old roue!!

whilst on the subject of plagiarism..toadying is on of my quotes..no need to cuddle up to mm ..we have an understanding..

I note the ultra fraud wizzjet aint come back with one of his lightning, boring, centrist, ginger, woosy, bum inhabitant cake ripostes.


Hows them brooms working out phony? Need any help with your CV?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 12:43 PM

I note stu, that you are still equating natural selection with evolutionism. the former is certainly a supposed mechanism of the latter, but Darwinism has yet to prove ANY mechanism that demonstrates microbes to mudcatters evolution.
before the fall...? natural selection == death does it not?
at the beginning there was no death of animals and humans [ I refuse to accommodate your equal status] though microbes, plant life, and perhaps insect life , I think did die. i am not entirely clear on that detail.

Well no wet Cornish Saturday afternoon would be complete without a healthy dose of complete gibberish - and here it is!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 12:40 PM

"Chattin' up your bird", co-M?? What kind of talk is that! I thought your bird was an owl. Or two...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket c/w aftershave
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 12:08 PM

Eyup, you are a gnome of the world, what do you reckon my chances are?

Do you think she would go for my charm, grace and elegance or Co Messiah S's gob iron virtuoso talents? Mind you, I do have my standards and ever since my 17th birthday I raised them above the usual Worksop level of two tits and a heartbeat, although either were optional if memory serves me well.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 11:28 AM

Tsk, tsk. Shame on you, Conc dear. I thought you were the one with all the original ideas yet you have now stolen Messiah M's 'can't be arsed' and my withdrawing of vacancies. I am sure you do not realise you are doing it but, sadly for you, one or two people can actually force themselves to look back at the thread and see it is true.

Stick to toadying to either Messiah. It is your only hope of salvation!

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 10:58 AM

HeY!! HeY!! HeY!! welcome back wizzjet..unfortunately the vacancy as under deputy bilge diver on one of my supertankers is now been withdrawn owing to you been under qualified

Shaw has definitely got hard and salty and decided to get on board for the big adventure by passing the company's qualification in not taking himself to seriously.

You, however, are as still up your own arse as ever and are the smug, judgmental,self satisfied oaf you have always been.

All is not lost though dear heart,I have a mate who urgently wants some broom heads fitting to broomsticks..? how much notice do you need to give at Mcdonalds?.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 06:10 AM

grishka - if I understand you correctly [ cue steve for more derogatory verbage!] you are talking about experimentation, leading to design in regards to the word -evolution- , as opposed to the naturalistic idea of undirected influences in nature.
as to dawkins,- it seems to me that the thrust of his "reasoning" is not that God could/should have made the eye more perfect or higher functionality achieved, but that the wiring was wrong and therefore proving non design, or a stupid designer. [I am inclined to think he would be happy with either conclusion!].

I note stu, that you are still equating natural selection with evolutionism. the former is certainly a supposed mechanism of the latter, but Darwinism has yet to prove ANY mechanism that demonstrates microbes to mudcatters evolution.
before the fall...? natural selection == death does it not?
at the beginning there was no death of animals and humans [ I refuse to accommodate your equal status] though microbes, plant life, and perhaps insect life , I think did die. i am not entirely clear on that detail.
I am disappointed that though you still make some arguments, your tone is otherwise beginning to get like steves.
that is your prerogative, but mine will be not to answer, as is mostly the case re steves.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket getting jealous
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 02:57 AM

Oy Shaw!

You chattin' up my bird?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 07:32 PM

"" I see shaw is back again with more half arsed semi digested patronisng third form crap; "evolution does not have any goals" ..wonderful thicko..talk about stating the bloody obvious""

Stating the obvious is the only way to get through to those who have only one working brain cell between them, like Pete and your good self.

Unfortunately, you only seem to speak on those days when it's Pete's turn to use it, or when it's down at the local laundry.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 04:32 PM

Well done shaw..you are finally beginning to get hard and gritty...I may even let you serve on one of my fleet of tankers as a deputy bilge diver, if you keep this up..

one thing though..we really need wizzjet on board..he seems to have gone very quiet..sulking? or trying to test my patience with his self opinionated crap..

I do hope he hasn't spat his dummy out..I get seconds of pleasure reading his trumpery.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 02:07 PM

Very good! I love you, babe!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 12:36 PM

Yawn.......................! I see shaw is back again with more half arsed semi digested patronisng third form crap; "evolution does not have any goals" ..wonderful thicko..talk about stating the bloody obvious


Were do you get of with crass statement "the terrifying time span eludes most people who doubt blah! blah! blah? that is so patronising and judgmental it is untrue..well dumbo, there is one thing you do you know about and that is the anus..never mind creationists..you spend most of your time on mudcat talking through it!

I will agree with the big toenail though..it would nestle very nicely along side of your thumb up bum..have a really nice day

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 10:12 AM

"Coming up with a good eye" is not an evolutionary goal because evolution does not have goals. Any concept of the eye being some sort of finished product, or achievement, betrays the conceiver as someone who does not understand how evolution works. Neither is it right to think of it as a step towards some notion of perfection. It is what it is and it "got there" with many a slip and blind ending :-) along the way, and it's been billions of years in the making (the terrifying time-span of life on earth is the main notion that completely eludes people who doubt evolution's ability to get things done). In its own way, your big toe nail is just as "wonderful". Or your anus even. Doubly wonderful when you see how creationists can talk out of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Stu
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 05:39 AM

"so you think you could design a better human eye! I don't think so.!"

I don't think so either. I couldn't design a better motor car either, but there are people who can. They do it all the time and know all the ins and outs. We call these people 'experts'.


"how you can think the human eye less than wonderful, beats me."

Whoa there! I certainly do think the human eye is wonderful, I'm simply saying it could be better if deliberately designed. Your watchmaker is a bit crap at eye design if she thinks the human (read mammalian - I really hate this arrogant, evil, idea humans are the pinnacle of creation) eye is the most efficient and brilliant eye ever is all I'm saying. It's not even the best mammalian eye.


"I suspect it was even better at the beginning before the fall, and mutational build up."

You really don't understand how allele mutation works do you? You need to understand this to debate it Pete!

So from a biblical literalist point of view, does this mean natural selection was NOT occurring before Adam and Eve got rumbled for looking at each other's wobbly bits? Was evolution in god-induced stasis before the two of them got it on? Where does it say that in the bible?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 04:03 AM

I dunno, Messiah M - Even copying your phrase now.

naw!! cant be arsed

Must be love

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 01:08 AM

I've been dumped before I even started.

Plenty more conch's in the sea I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 07:58 PM

pete thinks we won't notice when he harks back to stuff that we've debunked over and over again. He thinks we're all bloody fools with short memories, the insulting git. So here we go again with "the eye". pete, ol' chum, I've told you what to do. Grab yerself a copy of "Origin" and read what Charles Darwin had to say about the eye. You will see an account that is neutral, non-tendentious, self-doubting and self-effacing, and filled with honest humility. And one that comprehensively answers your ever-silly enquiry. Beautifully written too. Even a clod could understand it, but you can't even aspire to clodness, can you? It's everything, in fact, that you could never aspire to. You are insulting, dishonest with both us and yourself, superficial, bone idle and just a bit thick. And blind.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 06:33 PM

Pete, generally, evolutionary algorithms are algorithms that work with some "blind" (usually small) changes and test whether the results are somewhat better than before. If they are, start from there. In the end, you probably do not have an absolutely optimal product, but often much better than you could get by any other means.

The product can be anything, including - and that is the point - another computer system, which can then be regarded as "indirectly designed, directly evolved". The design part consists of the fact that the performance in each step is tested according to the designer's explicit criteria - whereas in "real" evolution, mere survival suffices for success.

Given the fact that a good eye is a gigantic advantage, the evolutionary pressure on it is accordingly high. Dawkins's point, presumably not quite serious, was that an almighty designer could have done even better. The general problem is that nobody could know the designer's criteria; nature itself never allows for verdicts like "good" or "better", beyond the fact of survival (which is actually a poor criterion for quality, given that many marvelous creatures became extinct because of changes in the environment).

In fact many people have the feeling that God designed the world "indirectly" in the above sense, including evolution, so that it appears to us as if by blind chance.

We must keep in mind that evolution theory of living organisms is based on genetics, much more complicated than simply effecting blind small changes (mutations).

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 06:09 PM

" ... since God declared all that he had made as very good."

So what materials did God use to make it all from, pete?

And where did he obtain those materials.

And what materials is he made of?

And where did he come from?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 05:40 PM

grishka- "....design evolutionary algorithms..."
seems a curious turn of phrase being as evolutionism = blind chance..
but then design would be more obvious if not for the bias against it.

stu- so you think you could design a better human eye! I don't think so.!
dawkins seemed to think that the God he says don't exist wired the eye backward, but eye scientists ,it seems, think differently.
how you can think the human eye less than wonderful, beats me.
I suspect it was even better at the beginning before the fall, and mutational build up.
and I don't read anywhere in the bible where the human eye is claimed to be superior to every other creature, in every respect. I don't think I claimed that, as my previous post clarified.   so that criticism is another straw man.
I would deduce though that adams eye was perfectly fit for its use in humans, as was everything else , since God declared all that he had made as very good.

snail- any particular thing I was supposed to have ignored [ I said snail- not the usual detractors]. I thought I answered most things, except when there are multiple bullet points.
steve on the other hand seems to make no specific arguments, but relies on ridicule, at least when answering anything I comment on.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 04:06 PM

Glad to be of service, C :-) How come you aren't saving the world or some such anyway?

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 04:04 PM

Tee! Hee! gnome..or should that be... naw!! cant be arsed

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 03:43 PM

or should that be wear?

Wear what Conc? We are not confused by our native tongue yet again are we? Should it be, maybe, were? Or where? Or Whatthefuck?

You really are getting tedious again, I'm afraid. Your only original contribution has been ginger bum cake, or whatever it was. Cut and Paste is definitely passe and you need to get a grip.

Oh, sorry, you obviously have got a grip. Just make sure you don't splash on the keyboard again.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 03:19 PM

Well I must hand it to you wizzjet.. you keep coming back for another dose of correction and humiliation with your cut and paste references..you really are the pits.

Most of your playmates have copped on to the gag..but no..not you!!Your head is that far up your arse that you cannot see when someone is winding you up..

One question, small brain, was you bullied at school? I would put a small wager that you was..or should that be wear? Or did you toady your way through?


LIAR is a big word..reference cut and paste, produce the source.. well phony, I think you have answered that piece of info yourself.

Please call again...but promise me you will have something more substantial to comment on than your usual vindictive crap?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 02:38 PM

A large proportion of our atoms are H.
They do not come from stars.
Sorry, but I find that whole concept awe inspiring.

"The probability of amino acids getting their act together is almost irresistible. "

I took that to mean that it was easy for amino acids to form living cells.

It may be, but it has never been observed and there have been many attempts to achieve it.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 11:48 AM

Yes, but you have to put silly bloody provisos in, don't you? That hydrogen is the initial building block of stars is neither here nor there to what I said but you have to make some irrelevant point each and every time on each and every subject.

Introducing words into debate is one of your traits too, then throwing them back at other people as if they used them.

Sterile.

Spontaneously.

Two words that don't compute with any study of the evolution from large compounds to replication with an aim, leading to conscious intent. I never used them. You know that. So why put them in my mouth?




Presumably to smugly make me look an idiot. I know I am an idiot, it's fools such as yourself who should cold read your drivel and ask yourself a hard question. Hence, fuck him is rather restrained don't you think?



Where's conc? I've put velvet cloth over the vice ready.....

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Stu
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 11:43 AM

"I never intended any comparisons with any other creature."

Fair enough, but context is important and you can't separate the human eye from all the other eyes . . . even if you want to single the human eye out it's unreasonable as according to you god created every eye that's ever seen, so he's inviting comparison.


"the idea that the eye is wired backward comes from a lack of knowledge of eye function and anatomy"

Eek! This comment starts from the assumption the eye is designed, which it isn't as it evolved. It's not wired backward or forward (?), but is what it is. The point is that were you to design an eye you could make a better job of it, and this fact argues against it having been designed in the first place (unless god was having an off-day during the eyes bit).


"now that don't sound like rubbish design to me."

Thats cos it ain't design.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 10:31 AM

I was agreeing with you about star dust, but not about sterile amino acids spontaneously becoming live cells.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 10:23 AM

One of my posts didn't seem to make it. I thought it had. Strange....

I waffled on about fusion, elements up to and including iron etc.

I reckon I asked why the old fool had a thing about stardust and that I wasn't putting Joni Mitchell up as a cosmologist. ..



But when his tactic is to seize a word, take it out of context then go on the attack, you think







Fuck him.

You can't educate pork.

Still. I do have to thank him for getting me to read some of his posts. I like his style. Say something outrageous then spend the next hundred posts denying the intent by analysing individual words and coming over as a victim.

He'd make an ideal martyr for our true religion if he didn't keep wearing his other religion on his sleeve when it suits.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 07:24 AM

""Look again playmates, it is his usual pseudo, woosy, ginger, half digested, cut and pasting crap..and I get called unoriginal?""

LIAR!

Not one word of that comment has been cut and pasted. If you don't believe that,produce the source.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 05:01 AM

Dave, I wrote that you have exactly the same right to write bollocks as I have to write what I think might be interesting for some readers, even if not for you. I try to avoid commenting on the bollocks itself, whenever I can.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 03:26 AM

The probability of amino acids getting their act together is almost irresistible.

Really?
When did it last happen Musket?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 02:46 AM

Star dust, apart from our hydrogen which was formed in the aftermath of the bang long before the first star.

I understand exactly how the Camelot Lotto number selector works, but that does not mean I can predict the outcome.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 02:20 AM

And the probability processes employed to always arrive at the same point? There's a reason the word fuzzy is used.

The probability algorithm has the same veil of wonder as its biological odds. Or the search for the meaning of life as its known.

My comparison was technical not flippant. In short our lack of understanding is based on too many not too few possibilities. Chaos theory (as tweaked over the years) at the quantum level results in probability theory at the observable physics level. The probability of amino acids getting their act together is almost irresistible.

The origins of the complex molecules do indeed include extraterrestrial sources. After all, if you must be so fundamental about it, despite the protestations of religious cranks, we are star dust (we are etc).

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 06:03 PM

Spot on this time. Grishka, and please do not think that I was ridiculing your English. Far from it, it is far better than my knowledge of any other language, apart from bollocks and total bollocks. Although I did speak both Polish and Russian fluently, as well as English, until I was entered into school at the age of five, Wonderful thing, education...

Anyway, my point is that you said you want to learn but still keep coming back with seemingly serious suggestions, even though you had been repeatedly told the whole thread was, and still is, utter nonsense. Hopefully, now that you have admitted that you know what this thread is actually about, the sojourns into the realm of forum detective and amateur psychologist will cease. Yes?

And Conc dear, we appreciate that you do try to please but, sorry, the cut and paste references really are clichéd now.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 05:44 PM

The description of the retina as a powerful "preprocessor" is common knowledge among anatomists/physiologists. In fact, making "millions of nerve cells interconnect in a fantastic number of ways" is what evolution is particularly good at; many animals are known to have such "secondary brains" in a variety of places and functions. Envious computer scientists design evolutionary algorithms to result in new better computer systems and networks.

Pete, being a Biblical literalist, has yet much weaker a claim to science than the more flexible "intelligent design creationists". Essentially he disagrees with the mainstream of almost all sciences, even including history and linguistics.

The really strange thing about this thread is that whenever one side seems to have lost, the other side comes to its aid with even more preposterous argumentats. I have to agree with Dave that this is basically an orgy of self-ridicule - if you enjoy it, so be it.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 05:39 PM

Musket, fuzzy logic and computer technology is completely understood by science.
The origin of life is not.
We do not even know if it was on this planet!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 04:08 PM

I dunno Conc. Surprise us with who did all those things. Even if none of them are actually original thoughts and thereby fail to prove anything whatsoever.

Messiah S - Before I went on my mission to Yorkshire I used to meet my car share partner on the TGI Fridays car park in Radcliffe. Lived about 4 miles from there and used to call in M&S foodhall quite often to see what wines were on offer as well.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 04:08 PM

"the retina is probably the most complicated tissue in the whole body. millions of nerve cells interconnect in a fantastic number of ways to form a miniature "brain". much of what the photoreceptors "see" is interpreted and processed by the retina long before it enters the brain"

Pete, dear, I know this will be hard for you to comprehend, let alone take, but this comment on its own marks out its author as a complete twat. Unfortunately, as 'twas you who decided to post it, presumably with the intention of your "proving" something to us, it marks you out as an even bigger one. However, your entertainment value remains stunning, so do carry on and don't mind me.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 03:28 PM

assuming that you did not mean to set up straw men to knock down, stu ,I will surmise that I was not clear enough.
my comments were in the context of the human eye which you and dawkins think rubbish design!
I never intended any comparisons with any other creature.
even if one type can be shown to be superior, it still has limitations, after all I am only positing One, perfect all seeing.

"the notion that the eye was wired backward occurred to me as a 13 yr old when studying eye anatomy in a school science class. it took me 2 yrs of lecturing on human eye anatomy to realize why the eye is wired the way it is. the idea that the eye is wired backward comes from a lack of kn owledge of eye function and anatomy"
"the retina is probably the most complicated tissue in the whole body. millions of nerve cells interconnect in a fantastic number of ways to form a miniature "brain". much of what the photoreceptors "see" is interpreted and processed by the retina long before it enters the brain "
-an eye for creation- dr George marshall. sept 96 creation mag.

now that don't sound like rubbish design to me.
btw he was an eye disease researcher. another useful non evolutionist scientist.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 03:21 PM

I say you fellows!!! ..wizzjets post looks on first scan quite cute and nearly clever,,did I really say that..nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh1!!

Look again playmates, it is his usual pseudo, woosy, ginger, half digested, cut and pasting crap..and I get called unoriginal?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 02:55 PM

Next.......? or maybe not?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the troll formally known as concerened
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 02:52 PM

Well gnomedtic.. not an original thought in my head?, you owld bollocks you .. who invented right wing rhetoric in Zambia you strange person..

Who was the one who taught problematic Keynesian economic theory to Arther Scargill?

who was the one who introduced the rhomboid initiative to Dr.Teeth.?.

Who was the one explained the Dorian mode to John Lennon,?

Who was the one who taught Prince Hal how to light a fart ?

and last but not least... who exposed the swinging dick, ginger woosy cake eating gobshites like wizzjet, shaw ,griska, snail, shitroad et all?