BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:58 PM

I won the bet. You bet that I had seen the evidence for evolution for natural selection disproved. I haven't. Now how about them Kangaroos?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 05:15 PM

I am genuinely fascinated that someone worked put how much shit two by two of everything makes.

Did he include those creatures that have been discovered since biblical times ? About 99.9999998% of them at latest count.




Bloody hell. He's got me at it now.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 06:17 PM

Genesis 7

New International Version (NIV)

7 The Lord then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."

That is a rather Eurocentric view Musket. The vast majority of land animals and Birds had been discovered by someone by 3,000 - 4,000 years ago when that was written. They just weren't named and classified by European scientists. Forget the Kangas pete. Tell me how Noah took care of these guys.   Galápagos tortoise

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 02:36 AM

Yes, but had those "someone" been discovered by Noah?

Galapagos tortoises are one thing. Their finches didn't travel far for their holidays either.

You see, creationists go out of their way to ensure people point and laugh. The perfectly reasonable contribution to society that religions can offer gets drowned out in the mirth and piss taking.

Why?

Because they are your reps. They are the real Christians who take it seriously. They are the ones knocking on doors and spreading the word.

They are the ones responsible for society increasingly dismissing the whole concept of religion as a factor in life.

Where you live, my experience is that religion is more mainstream and accepted as part of life. Here, I find it is tolerated rather than embraced. I support a hospital chaplaincy team in a large city. They may be vicars, Imams etc, but the service they offer is spiritual help in the broadest sense. Social workers without the imperative to plan discharge, that's how I describe them. Their work describes a role in the community at large. Their caseload is huge, mainly because their role isn't to sell their creed. They are popular with all, not just the religious minority. (The two Imams are in most demand as people perceive vicars as wanting to sell Jesus, even though ours don't.).

It would be sad if that service to society was drowned out in a sea of irrelevance, but the more religious people push an illogical agenda, promote misogyny, bigotry and guilt, the more doors slam on fingers that think if they are kept in the door frame, Musket won't shut the door. Misplaced faith if ever I saw it.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 10:36 AM

Musket.

You say that Ake is a bigot, on the other hand you say that the people I argue with about these very issues represent me.


To say the least, I find that logic problematic. It reflects upon your credibility.

Why don't moderate Christians condemn the fringe? Maybe they are too busy being Christians. Maybe as Joe suggested, there is no point. There will always be illogical crazy people on the fringe.

Why don't Atheists control the crazy atheists?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 12:36 PM

You call yourself a Christian. You quote the bible at me, most recently yesterday. I don't quote from the standing orders of Sheffield Wednesday Football Club Ltd, so why you think quoting the bible at me is a good idea, I don't know?

If it waddles and quacks, you ain't a bigot for calling it a duck.

An argumentative duck to be fair, and one who I have noticed questioning other ducks, but happy to wear a huge badge saying "I go well with hoi sin sauce."

You ask why don't atheists control crazy atheists? Possibly because there are no atheists to do so. Lack of a belief system isn't a belief system. I'm not an atheist so crazy atheists are as crazy as crazy members of The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster from where I am sitting.

Funny how you pounce on irrelevancies but fail to acknowledge my consistent plea for religion to have something relevant to offer society at large. I see the good, but the "leaders" can do more. Drop the misogyny. Drop the support for homophobia. Drop the contempt for other cults. Or stop questioning society's increasing hostility to attempts to influence it. Where you live, despite the religious overtones, politics and religion are separate. Here, bishops scrutinise legislation in the upper house. Perhaps disestablishment could help both sides, but in the same way we scrutinise politicians, bishops must get used to scrutiny or get out of The House of Lords. Their moral authority doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 01:13 PM

I quoted the Bible at you because you claimed that you knew something about Christians that was clearly untrue. You ought to know, with all your talk of indoctrination, that what Christians are indoctrinated in is usually words from the Bible, what they generally take most seriously are quotes attributed to Jesus Christ in the Bible.

Most Christians, including myself, say the Lords Prayer more often than any other piece of prose.

"It is forgive us our trespasses and we forgive those who trespass against us. I am sorry. But there is nothing in that, that gives US the right or responsibility to go out and forgive third parties for their sins. We can tell you that the Lord will forgive you if you want it and if you do a few simple but admittedly difficult things.   
We can only forgive those who trespass against us. For instance, pete can forgive you for the way you treat him but not for the way you treat me. Likewise I can and do forgive you for what you try to do t me. But I can't forgive you for doing the same to others. So I want you to knock it off. I am trying to get you to knock it off. And except when you bring it up directly. I am trying not to offend you with talk of religion.

I am sorry I did not explain this aspect more fully. I assumed a certain basic knowledge on your part. Maybe I feared that you would accuse me of talking down to you if I explained it more fully. In either case. I take responsibility for communicating poorly. Please forgive me.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 06:00 PM

did you read the link you supplied ,jack, on giant tortoise- something about large reserves of water and fat, making them ideal for long ocean crossing....reckon noahs crew did not have to do much for them!.
the bet! looking back, I think the challenge was for you to produce whatever evidence for evolutionism that is still the same since you learned it in your youth. the invitation to do so still stands but it seems you have backed off.
and so I will answer your kango challenge-   after the flood, land animals could have traversed seas on massive vegetation rafts, transported by men on boats, or now submerged land bridges, and fourthly a combination of the former.
be careful before you charge me with fanciful ideas - evolutionists posit this sort of thing too ,to explain global distribution and island hopping of animals and plant life.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 06:19 PM

Could have been transported by men? Good one! According to the account there were what? 4 men left on Noah, so if two bring back the tortoises, two the kangas and such, two for the dodos, two for the moose and grizzlies two for the caribou,etc etc once all that was done,who had time to be fruitful and multiply?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 06:55 PM

" 4 men left on Noah"

should be

4 men left left after the flood... sorry..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 06:41 AM

That isn't how it was put Jack. If it were, I would be happy not to trawl it up but it was quite obvious that I said that forgiveness is a human not a Christian trait and to forgive a fellow person is as a person, unless the person being forgiven takes it in a Christian meaning.

You then quoted the bible at me, thus reiterating that being a Christian is an important part of forgiving.

Does that mean that if I forgive someone, it is real forgiveness whereas someone forgiving because it is expected of them is somehow false? That's an interpretation of your stance.

At least you say trespasses. On those few occasions I find myself in a church, modern wording grates somewhat. King James is comforting, even to those of us for whom anything above the words washes over.

I see it as music without lyrics.

You keep making the mistake of confusing lack of understanding with asserting that understanding isn't necessary to form a view of the effect. Your continued analysis of why I don't suffer fools gladly on the BS section gets wider of the mark each time. And that is a shame, because it have no reason to believe you are a bad man, none at all. Your ability to bring out the worst in people is your weakness.



Got me at it now.....

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:53 AM

"The whole Christian ethos is around everyone being sinners and it is up to Christianity to forgive them. "


This is how you put it. It is incorrect. I quoted the Bible to show that at the source level, at the level of indoctrination it is incorrect.

I am sorry for not having thrown your words right back at you in quotes but I fear that If I had, you would have complained about that. As you have said your mission it to punish what you consider bad behavior with words. Not to enlighten.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 10:38 AM

I have little to enlighten with. But once the scorn, envy, bigotry and agenda driven drivel is exposed and sent packing, it leaves space for those, many of them, who can enliven us and enrich the debates.

Fed up of getting pms from those who just cannot enter a debate whilst the less savoury elements are in play. To be fair, there will be those who don't like the use of bollocks, fuck, shit and wobbly bits but you can't please everyone.

One word of advice. Source level semantics may be of use in a theology thesis, but my comment was typical of what many Christians would be comfortable with. Whether by Christianity we mean some God construction or what Christianity actually is, a collection of people, my observation, simplistic as it is, is valid in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 12:36 PM

>>>One word of advice. Source level semantics may be of use in a theology thesis, but my comment was typical of what many Christians would be comfortable with. Whether by Christianity we mean some God construction or what Christianity actually is, a collection of people, my observation, simplistic as it is, is valid in my opinion. <<<

The above is way more than one word. It is not phrased as advice. My point is that nearly every Christian repeats it every day. The idea that they do so thinking it means "it is our duty to forgive all the sinners even if they have not sinned against us" is pretty stupid.

Would you care to point us to some people who are "comfortable" with your interpretation? I thought not.

You opinion on the matter of "The whole Christian" ethos is every bit as valid as your assertion that the passage quoted above is "one word of advice."

"You then quoted the bible at me, thus reiterating that being a Christian is an important part of forgiving."

In summary, I did not quote the Bible to show that "being a Christian is an important part of forgiving." I quoted the Bible to show that forgiving was an important part of being Christian. Since a main question was "Am I a rubbish Christian?" I thought that the Bible, especially what Christ said about forgiving, was appropriate. You did not understand what he said or what most Christians believe, because they repeat it every day. I tried to explain it to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket confused
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 12:49 PM

I doubt every person claiming to be a Christian thinks as deeply as that to be honest. Most peoples' faith is far more simple and less complicated.

"A word" doesn't imply a single construct of letters to form a term identifiable by means of lexicon entry, it means a short education in this context.

Your logic chopping use of context is a feature of your interpretation of debate, or contradiction, to give your style a more appropriate name. The hang up over turn of phrase is just childish.

"She " by the way, not "he."   Where I come from, "she" would, at this point, retort with " Who's she? The cat's mother?"

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 02:47 PM

"you have to have nothing to do with God....but God is Love....so if you don't want Love"

If Atheists could not (as your comment implies) experience love, pretty soon there would be no Atheists. In fact logic suggests that, were there any sense in it, they've already died out and you are arguing about nothing................NO CHANGE THERE THEN!
_________________________________________________________

"Why don't Atheists control the crazy atheists?"

Precisely because Atheists are not a community, militant or otherwise, so the crazy ones are simply ignored.

Religions, on the other hand, canonise the craziest in their ranks and elevate the less crazy to Cardinals or Popes.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 03:18 PM

>>
Precisely because Atheists are not a community, militant or otherwise, so the crazy ones are simply ignored.

Religions, on the other hand, canonise the craziest in their ranks and elevate the less crazy to Cardinals or Popes. <<

Are you implying that Christianity is a community militant or otherwise? There are communities of Atheists. There are communities of Christians. No one speaks for either as a whole.

I can point out some pretty crazy, self described Christians that are not canonized and who are criticized.

Likewise I could mention some less than logical and scientific atheists who receive praise and encouragement from those who should know better. Some even sell a lot of books.

Burning Korans to piss off Muslims or diagnosing half the planet as having a "delusion" to sell a few more tickets to staged "arguments" on a book tour are simply different sides of the same coin.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 03:15 AM

Book burning is slightly unambiguous to say the least.

Diagnosing delusion at least gives you the right to a second opinion.

Anyway, considering religion is a man made construction yet requires it's adherents to believe otherwise, the word delusion is accurate. So why see it as an insult?

Perhaps it is seem as an insult because the point of the exercise is to ensure those laughing be bound by the concept too.

Ain't going to happen. Very few people over here are happy to see their children's minds played with any more. I am rather optimistic by seeing people ask why they should respect organisations that don't respect equality. That such attitudes are seen as "persecution" just makes the concept all the more absurd.

You know.. The freedom to have your faith and get something out of it is being eroded by those wearing the dog collars on a Sunday, not those out walking their dog.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 06:46 PM

Jack...whoever said that Noah and his sons had to take the animals anywhere. They spread out by themselves over x number of years.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 07:17 PM

So all of these exotic animals hang around for year after year waiting for their ride home? :-)

You know what the are gonna do to pass the time.... ;-D

If they wait for Noah's grandkids to grow into men, they are going to need more than rafts. to bring them home. LOLOLOL

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 01:31 AM

Now now. That sounds like taking the piss out of poor pete and belittling his version of delusion.

I reckon Max wrote a rule about that.




The amoeba went in two by four by sixteen by sixty four by two hundred and fifty five by....

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 09:40 AM

Poor o'l barnacle balls!! I think he has finally lost moving on from his nautical pretensions he has now turned into some class of a faux religious medicane man or shaman; sorry should that not be charleton?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 10:47 AM

I recon that pete has been taking the piss out of you all for years.

I recon that if pete believes it, what I think doesn't matter. If he doesn't if it is just argument for its own sake I am giving him what he wants. Either way. Its not unkind. You might try to notice that I was laughing at crazy ideas that popped into my own head not laughing at him. I didn't call him a name. I didn't imply that he was delusional.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 10:48 AM

>>Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,concerened - PM
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 09:40 AM

Poor o'l barnacle balls!! I think he has finally lost moving on from his nautical pretensions he has now turned into some class of a faux religious medicane man or shaman; sorry should that not be charleton?<<

Blatant disrespect for the rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 12:49 PM

Well, well, well Seaman Staynes, I see you are still playing the part of a toad eating sneak.

was you ever bullied at school by the by? I bet you adopted this faux matelot image to make yer-self look tough.. don't you realise we are all on to you for the salt stayned gobshite you undoubtedly are..take sweet cheeks advice why don't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 12:54 PM

"From: GUEST,concerened - PM
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 12:49 PM

Well, well, well Seaman Staynes, I see you are still playing the part of a toad eating sneak.

was you ever bullied at school by the by? I bet you adopted this faux matelot image to make yer-self look tough.. don't you realise we are all on to you for the salt stayned gobshite you undoubtedly are..take sweet cheeks advice why don't you? "

violation of forum rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 01:20 PM

I dint really know what the scenario is that you are mocking , jack, except that it might be a straw man argument.maybe you just don't comprehend the argument. Have you ever considered population growth rates in men or in animals. Whoever said Noah's gran kids relocated the animals?   We are talking distribution in modern and living or recorded memory. Between Noah and historical record there would be innumerable generations in which men and animals spread out to repopulate the earth, by the means of which I formerly discussed.    You may think the biblical record is nonsense , but I am making intelligent suggestions, based on believing that record. If you can only counter by mocking, you are on your way to musket land!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 02:07 PM

" We are talking distribution in modern and living or recorded memory. Between Noah and historical record there would be innumerable generations in which men and animals spread out to repopulate the earth, by the means of which I formerly discussed. "

I am afraid you are incorrect sir. The generations between Noah and historical times are not innumerable at all but they are indeed chronicled in the Bible. They have indeed been "numerated" (counted) by Biblical scholars. That the major reason that many people who share your faith in what you would call a literal interpretation of the Bible seem to believe in so called "young Earth" theories.

You seem to be saying to me that it is more plausible that in less than 3,000 years (estimated time from Noah to Moses by Biblical time line) that Noah, some how went to Australia and everywhere else with different fauna than North Africa and East Asia and gathered up a few thousand breeding pairs of species of Biblically "unclean" marsupials and reptiles and what not unique to that land brought them to the Levant where his boat was, then gathered them into the boat, sailed around for a month and a half, left them to survive somewhere near where they made land fall then somehow at a much later time some unnamed and unchronicled "men", gathered up at least a breeding pair of each species unique to each geographic area and returned it there by raft with little side trips to places like Komodo for the dragons, Tasmania for the devils and each Galapogos for the tortoises: than for the animals to have evolved separately in these places because of the pressures of each unique environment?

I feel like you are mocking me to expect me to accept that.

I am sorry if you thought you were being mocked. It is very difficult for me to even contemplate such absurdity without rolling on the floor and laughing. I don't mean to mock. But the inherent contradictions even of the Bible itself in these stories is uproariously funny when combined even with a grade school understanding of science.

So God created light on the Earth three days before he created the Sun? I am imaging Terry Gilliam's cartoon of God using a large articulating work lamp and saying "this won't do! they will notice the lamp stand" then whipping up the Sun and stars and putting the lamp under his desk.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 02:26 PM

Pete, by your reckoning, if Noah's sons didn't bring the animals back, his grandsons did, if not them then the next generation and with each generation the numbers get larger. Evolution is a much more elegant solution. Genetics and continental drift suggest that evolution is how the differentiation happened.

The process by which kangaroos and kiwi birds came to live where they do is not even hinted at in the Bible but their existence is all but certain proof that terrestrial fauna was not repopulated from a single nautical vessel in the Levant less than 6,000 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 04:41 PM

Strange fellow the oaf Cap'n Fraud....keeps logging me posts then he says I am in breach of rules; surely by his very existence as a self elected thread policeman he is in breach of the rules he so strenuously supports.
I will take him to task on his allegations of me breaking mudcat rules though.As he can quote his half baked ideas and semi digested crap with impunity, I should be able to quote my fact based opinion of this mealy mouthed waste of skin and hair?

Barnacle balls here is me challenge to you ; disprove any of my comments about you on this thread and I will leave never to return...hand on heart.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 12:49 AM

>>>
From: GUEST,concerened - PM
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 04:41 PM

Strange fellow the oaf Cap'n Fraud....keeps logging me posts then he says I am in breach of rules; surely by his very existence as a self elected thread policeman he is in breach of the rules he so strenuously supports.
I will take him to task on his allegations of me breaking mudcat rules though.As he can quote his half baked ideas and semi digested crap with impunity, I should be able to quote my fact based opinion of this mealy mouthed waste of skin and hair?

Barnacle balls here is me challenge to you ; disprove any of my comments about you on this thread and I will leave never to return...hand on heart. <<<<

blatant rancid rule breaking of the first order.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:14 AM

My work here is done.

Err. Welcome to Musketland Jerk. The view is delightful, the food excellent, the opportunity to rip up the rule book irresistible.

Best of all, you don't have to be embarrassed by rational people reading pete's absurd bullshit and saying "Oh! So that's what Christians are into."

Reality and perception. Not the best of bed fellows.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 05:21 AM

So don't wanna take up me challenge then? you pseudo nautical buffoon.

Yes, i was right about you all along; barnacle balls has no real balls when it come to honest play

Here he comes sidling and bridling shit eating grin firmly in place toadying and sneaking his way through life.

Yet when it comes to chance to prove us all wrong, what does this salt stayned sneak do?

Make notes about foul play...come on jerk!!! at least make pretense of defending yerself.. crayons could be on way else and I remain triumphant king of the trolls!!!! WOO!!! - HOOOO and other triumphant noises... having shown you up as the old barnacle bottomed bullshitter you undoubtedly are.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 09:37 AM

>>Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket - PM
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:14 AM
Err. Welcome to Musketland Jerk.<<

>>>Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,concerened - PM
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 05:21 AM

So don't wanna take up me challenge then? you pseudo nautical buffoon.<<<

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 10:52 AM

Not sure of the point you were making in that last post? You come up with a derogatory term "Musketland" then quote it back at me?

How odd.....

There again.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 10:55 AM

Funny one Ian Mather

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 11:10 AM

"Burning Korans to piss off Muslims or diagnosing half the planet as having a "delusion" to sell a few more tickets to staged "arguments" on a book tour are simply different sides of the same coin."

It obviously has escaped your highly selective attention Jack, but the Q'ran burners were self identified Christian fundamentalists, nothing to do with the "book tour" about which you constantly piss and moan.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 12:49 PM

Hey Pete - check out the "Nessie Proof of Creation" thread & let us know what you think.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:07 PM

I don't mind if you disagree with me if you show some understanding of my point.

Here is a definition of
        
"be two sides of the same coin also be different/opposite sides of the same coin
if two things are two sides of the same coin, they are very closely related although they seem different Violent behaviour and deep insecurity are often two sides of the same coin. Higher living standards and an increase in the general level of dissatisfaction are opposite sides of the same coin. "


One is drumming up publicity by trying to stir up liberals in a reprehensible and dishonest way.

The other is drumming up publicity and book sales by falsely making a diagnosis and offending people of faith by implying that half the world is mentally ill.


Both are disrespectful. Both are dishonest. Both are amoral in their approach. Both are doing it for personal fame and gain. Two sides, same coin.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:21 PM

Delusion can be rational (bad information or poor understanding of information) or it can be irrational (faith in irrational concepts.).

Being offended by observation doesn't alter the legitimacy of the observation. The word faith is highly accurate, because you'd never believe in a God concept through sober reflection. According to fools, pointing this out is merely an attempt at personal fame. Delusion exhibits itself in many ways, but that is as obvious as it gets.

Even when you are not trying to insult people, you belittle the rational half of the planet, (your statistic.). You use the word liberal in a derogatory fashion, yet the dictators of the world aren't liberals. They know how to use religion as the tool it is though, and always have.

Now then, where else on these threads do we see liberal as an insult?

Oy worm! He's stealing your clothes!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 05:22 PM

"Yet the dictators of the world are not "liberals"......Ha Ha Ha,

What about the dynamic duo Mr Blair and Mr Bush, both leaders of the largest "liberal democracies" on the planet and arch terrorists and world dictators?
Mr Cameron, Mr Hague, and to a lesser extent Mr Obama were also in the frame before their parties and electorate revolted.

Before these criminals, the third world tinpot dictators pale into insignificance

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 06:32 PM

Musket sometimes it is easier to call you a name than to sort through the nonsense that you post.

What ever makes you think that saying that liberals being pissed of by a nutty fundy burning Korans is a slur against liberals?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 03:01 AM

Possibly the sheer arrogance of assuming you have to be put in some labelled box or other marked "liberal " before being offended by lunatics.

Putting people in boxes with labels. Now.. Where have I seem that before?

Oy Worm! See? I told you!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 06:58 AM

see jerk ,you keep burbling platitudes about "disrespect", "not being very friendly" ,"dishonest" "amoral" and "respect" which are strange words for a 1000 caret phony like you.

Respect is earned not demanded, but arrogant, ignorant head up ass sneaks like you wouldn't understand that.

How in the name of sanity dare a fraud like you talk about "dishonesty"?

What with all your nautical pretensions, which you still keep on with, despite being challenged by me to disprove otherwise.

Now we come to real gold plated pippin in the collection of self interested crap you spout..of accusing folk of being AMORAL!!!!!! how dare you you stuck up little prig.. the definition could have been written for you...you are a amoral, selfish person pursuing your own goals.

Try and come back with your shit eating excuses for that..if you are brave enough....which I doubt....oh, have a nice sneaking day..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 10:45 AM

>>see jerk <<

Rule breaker.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 12:43 PM

Look, it's like this.

Take concerened (sic) for instance. It is obvious that she has me weighed up, so why not you? Go with the flow and you will feel better for it.

You might feel more happy about addressing people's observations of where you are coming from rather than your somewhat tedious referrals to fictitious rules.

Militant atheism isn't a religion but religions usually start by someone enforcing arbitrary, often self serving rules. You seem to be getting further than the co Messiahs and associated gnome (honorary co Messiah Emeritus.). If that's your aim, I take my hat off to you.

Doubt I'll be praying at your altar though all the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 12:46 PM

your point is?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 01:34 PM

Jack, if you read the bible ,I think you might see that the animals were bought to Noah, he did not have to round them up........the generations I mentioned were not the genealogies and other biblical data, but of animal life, though I accept that the generations of men can be better estimated from the biblical data and other records.    The point is ,that there were several hundred yrs for animals to distribute globally....and I remind you that what you are challenging there, is evolutionary talk too!   The part that man played is only part of the overal picture of the movements........I would like to think that your misunderstanding is unintentional, or that I was not clear enough.          If you read your bible, or when I should say, you will know who it is that is described as light in whom there is no darkness at all.   Do you think that he is unable to provide a light source before the sun was created on day three?    And do you not think that the biblical writer/ compiler did not realise that light now comes from the sun. If anything, what you claim discredits genesis testifies to its genuineness.   I will try to be clearer, and maybe you might need to read more carefully too.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 02:48 PM

pete I've read it often enough and I've read analysis often enough.

The Bible just does not work as a science text. If you just assume that God "can" do all of these things you toss away the importance of describing what he did. Oh yeah, well God just DID it. Don't ask how!   

Genesis says that God divided the night from the day 3 days before he created the sun. In the Universe that exists today, what is day and night and how are they divided?

The account also says that he divided the day from the night twice, on the first day and then on the fourth. If every thing in the Bible is true and the unerring word of God. Which is it. the first day or the fourth?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Jan 14 - 06:22 PM

1800??????