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Origins: Open Source Shanties

GUEST,Bob Walser 13 Sep 13 - 05:00 PM
doc.tom 14 Sep 13 - 08:34 AM
Reinhard 14 Sep 13 - 04:15 PM
Reinhard 14 Sep 13 - 04:18 PM
RTim 14 Sep 13 - 07:50 PM
Dead Horse 14 Sep 13 - 08:44 PM
GUEST,Bob Walser 16 Sep 13 - 04:13 PM
GUEST,Bob Walser 19 Sep 13 - 11:42 AM
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Subject: Origins: Open Source Shanties
From: GUEST,Bob Walser
Date: 13 Sep 13 - 05:00 PM

There is amazing research to be found on Mudcat contributed by diligent researchers and freely available to all. I know how many hours it takes to find those treasures. Thank you every one!

Extending that spirit, I wonder what it might look like to go a further step and create a virtual hub for shanty information including links to Mudcat threads and other resources such as bibliographies, videos, sound recordings, lyrics, archives, pages in digitized books etc. Wouldn't it be wonderful to go to one page and find if not everything at least pointers to many of the resources we've all located over the years?

As part of my work on the Carpenter Collection, I've gathered a lot of stuff about various shanties but I'm well aware of the limits of my own knowledge and research. I'm wondering if I "seed the pot" with my material, would others contribute as well?

So here's what I've done to test the idea: I've set up a wiki for shanties and started an entry for 'A Hundred Years Ago' seeding it with information I either had to hand, or found very quickly. It's not a 'finished' page - it's a wiki, of course! If you'd like to take a look, please do. I just installed the software so I'm still learning about access. If you'd like to play with it, there's an email link on the site so you can contact me so I can give you a username and password so you can edit the page.

Here's the link for the Shanty Wiki page for "A Hundred Years Ago".

What do you think? Do you see what you'd like to see? Do I have the right categories and kinds of information? What's missing?

Queries, comments and diatribes all welcome!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Open Source Shanties
From: doc.tom
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 08:34 AM

Nice one Bob! Good to detail all the sources. Pity most 'crews' just take what they heard someone else sing without reference to provenenace. Time is limited, but I'll do what I can. You're welcome, of course, to take from http://www.umbermusic.co.uk/ which already sumarises some of the alternative sources for the shanties collected from Yankee Jack.

TomB


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Subject: RE: Origins: Open Source Shanties
From: Reinhard
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 04:15 PM

Concerning your Shanty Wiki page's discography: A.L. Lloyd's TOP98 Blow the Man Down, TOP99 A Hundred Years Ago, TOP100 The Coast of Peru, LDY 4155 Chants de Marins Anglais No 1, and LDY 4157 Chants de Marins Anglais No 2 are 7" EPs. T7/8T7 Row Bullies Row and T8/8T8 The Black Ball Line are 8" LPs. XTRA 1053 Blow Boys Blow is the UK release of the US album TLP 1025.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Open Source Shanties
From: Reinhard
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 04:18 PM

Sorry, a typo of mine. It's XTRA 1052 as you wrote correctly, but it's a Transatlantic Records LP, not on Prestige.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Open Source Shanties
From: RTim
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 07:50 PM

There is an image available for A Hundred Years Ago available on the Full English Web Site.
It is John Short's version collected by Sharp,

see - http://www.vwml.org/record/CJS2/10/2878

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Origins: Open Source Shanties
From: Dead Horse
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 08:44 PM

It is my feeling that some of that 'provenance' is deeply flawed and contains many typos and mis-heard lyrics that otherwise learned men take as gospel. Just browsing through a couple of those pages I found some very dubious stuff along with some glaring mistakes.
I would hate to see future generations repeating those errors.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Open Source Shanties
From: GUEST,Bob Walser
Date: 16 Sep 13 - 04:13 PM

Hey Dead Horse,

You usefully raise one of the problems with a project of this nature: quality. What's the best way to address this? Should the pages be 'curated' as open source computer code has a 'maintainer'? Should there be qualitative comments appended to various entries or links (like my comments in square brackets in the bibliography section)? What other solutions to the quality issue can we create?

Just because there's a lot of baloney on the web I don't think we should throw up our hands in despair. A page including high quality source material and rubbish might be overwhelming particularly to a novice. How can we help any user find 'the good stuff'?

If you have ideas, you're welcome to contact me for a password and try them out for all to see!

Thanks for your comment,
Bob


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Subject: RE: Origins: Open Source Shanties
From: GUEST,Bob Walser
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 11:42 AM

This project would benefit from two elements being dynamic: the bibilography and the discography. I wish I had the skills to create them . . . Comments to this effect added to the Hundred Years Ago page. Still hoping someome will try their hand at this. No nibbles, so far.


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