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Subject: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Sep 13 - 10:15 PM

Does anyone know?


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Sep 13 - 10:21 PM

Duh


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Sep 13 - 10:40 PM

Double duh


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Sep 13 - 11:34 PM

Christian.

Obama's father and his stepfather were Muslim, but while living in Indonesia with his mother and stepfather, he went to a Catholic school. His mother (American citizen, born in Kansas) was a strong Christian (non-Catholic).

Barack Obama identifies himself as a Christian and attends a Christian church.

There is no evidence, other than unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, to contradict his Christian religious identification and church attendance.

Don Firth

P. S. When John F. Kennedy, a Catholic, was running for and subsequently elected to the Presidency, there were some-non-Catholics who had a wall-eyed fit and claimed that the United States would now be ruled from the Vatican by the Pope.

Considering the number of Muslims--good, peaceful citizens--living in and loyal to the United States--exactly what difference would it make if Barack Obama actually were a Muslim?

Except to a bigot?


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: PHJim
Date: 18 Sep 13 - 11:56 PM

Good question Don Firth.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 12:00 AM

What difference would it make if he were Muslim, Shinto, Buddhist, Mormon, Catholic, Congregationalist, Southern Baptist, Wiccan, Aethist, Pagan, Unitarian, Methodist, Animist, Millerite, Campbellite, Mandaean, Yazadi, Hindu, Jainist, Sikh, Akan, or Santarian?

In brief, why give a shit?


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 12:11 AM

So this document has been debunked? Just asking. I don't care what his religion is, but him lying about it is a different matter. I guess I should have been more clear about that at the start. The question is, does Obama lie about his religion?


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Haruo
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 01:01 AM

I remember my Aunt Margie telling my dad in 1960 (I was only 6 years old, it amazes me I remember this) how the Catholics were storing guns in their church basements, purchased with bingo profits, so they could overthrow the government if JFK didn't make it. Seriously.

I don't read enough Bahasa Indonesia to be sure what that "document" is saying ("Agama" does mean religion), but it appears to be dated 1968, when Obama was 6 years old, so I very much doubt it was filled out by Obama. Much more likely, it was filled out by his stepfather. Who was Muslim and doubtless hoped his stepson would be too. It's not in need of "debunking".


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 01:27 AM

Thank you, Harou, for clarifying the document Songwronger posted. I found it unreadable.

When a parent indicates what religion he hopes his children will embrace when they grow to maturity, there is no guarantee that their wishes will come about. It frequently does not.

There is no evidence that Barack Obama lied about his religion.

Sorry, Songwronger. It doesn't wash.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 01:35 AM

ABC News, which I trust more than FoxNews, says that Obama regularly attended the United Church of Christ (successor to the Congregationalists and Pilgrims) until he was elected president. Since then, he has attended services at various churches, but not every Sunday.
Sorry, Songwronger - no evidence that he has attended Muslim services as an adult.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 02:45 AM

Songwronger, what's with this anti Obama campaign that you've been waging for such a long time ?

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 02:49 AM

I don't care what his religion is, but him lying about it is a different matter

I do not think his is lying about what his religion is. But I'd be interested in why 'lying about it [would be] a different matter'. I remember reading that there have been quite a few presidents whose religious affiliations did not extend beyond PR, which is lying about it in my book. It is also odd, from a European perspective, to see that a significant number of US citizens are more concerned about apparent religious affiliation of their presidents than they are about, for example, susceptibility to vested interests [No, Songwronger, I do not mean Obama by that, I mean ALL of them].

If I were to rank all possible lies and deceptions that a President might make starting with the most serious, I guess religious affiliation would be round about 20,000th on the list.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 02:55 AM

I suppose being President of a country where religion is seen as important in secular affairs, his faith is something he has to walk a tightrope with the same as any other divisive issue.

It says more of the idiots who would be concerned than the politicians pandering for their votes.

Here, the deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg tells of the day after he helped form the government after the last election, his advisors told him he must be seen to go to church. His reaction was to mention this in an interview where he also said he had no interest in religion. Reaction here? It turns out to be just about the only thing the polls say he is respected for. David Cameron on the other hand started going to church once he got the keys to No.10. I would too despite being irreligious because to get to the top in politics you need to have a hand of aces and if you don't believe in it, it doesn't attract thunderbolts to say that you do. As most politicians both sides of the pond would privately agree.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 03:22 AM

Didn't you see Homeland?
Someone should check his garage for a prayer mat.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 04:11 AM

For Christ's sake ding ding dong. If there was a Christ or if there is a God. What a stupid and typical thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 04:28 AM

I remember reading that there have been quite a few presidents whose religious affiliations did not extend beyond PR, which is lying about it in my book.
Eisenhower was a Jehovah's Witness but became a Presbyterian to get elected.

What religion are the Koch brothers? They're way more powerful than Obama so the answer matters more, particularly since they use religion as a political tool.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 05:59 AM

I have a different answer.

It's no bugger's business but his own, as long as it doesn't enter into his decision making process as president.

Does anybody think for one minute that George W Bush was in any way what a Christian ought to be?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 06:00 AM

Religion is a political tool, that's the reason it was invented


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 06:08 AM

I'm uninterested in what religion any politician is, unless their faith and divinely inspired bullshit drives them to undertake holy crusades.

As for lying, yes, deliberately lying - as in making intentionally false statements - to the public (rather than keeping personal information private) means that person is not worthy of the degree of public trust that political office demands and shouldn't be in that job.

Is Obama a Christian or does he worship Odin? Well he attends a Christian church so I guess in practice it seems so, but otherwise I don't care.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 06:22 AM

I read the OP and also noted that Spaw has not posted yet. I thought I would contact him thru mental telepathetic and ask for his comments... hang on... connected...

"Blow me."

I say he nailed it, as usual.

Wait... there's more...

Oooohhhh, even I wouldn't say THAT, Pat.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 12:14 PM

I hope he DOES worship Odin! I've got a list of people for him to hang on his Jul tree!!! If they hand there for three days, like Odin did, they become all-knowing and stuff, just like Odin!!! (I don't want to be all-knowing and stuff. I'd rather enjoy eating the Salmon of Knowledge.)


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: kendall
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 12:27 PM

I don't care if he worships toad stools. All religions are nothing but a scam and a hoax. Tweedle dum, tweedle dee.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 12:58 PM

I suppose the same people who say that Obama is Muslim, are the ones who objected to the Church of Christ he attended in Chicago that had a pastor who was too militant for their tastes.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 02:02 PM

Maybe he is a secret worshipper of the "Great Pumpkin." (See Peanuts comic strips)


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 05:47 PM

I think a more pertinent question is, how long does it take to look at a thread title to realize that it is one more worthless thread by dongwhacker.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 06:22 PM

Once I got the hang of the sound of Songwronger beating his favorite hum-drum, I'm batting 1,000.

Opening the thread itself is like tuning your radio to Rush Limbaugh. No surprises there. . . .

Well, it keeps him off the streets, I guess.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 06:26 PM

We break from this important thread to bring you breaking wind in the world of Bluegrass... Digger 's gone ta tinkle.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 06:32 PM

Old time classic Bluegrass may be more acceptable.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 08:22 PM

Who.... WHO... does a cover better?


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 08:35 PM

What religion is songwronger???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 08:37 PM

Who give two shits from Tuesday, Bobert?


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 08:50 PM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1xzUof0ee1s/UaA-ldmoYTI/AAAAAAAASII/C8lWsZJUYOY/s640/barry-soetoro-indonesia-school-record.jpg

That's a link to a larger image showing Obama's school record from 1968. When did he undergo his conversion from Islam? Has he been baptised and all that?


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 09:06 PM

My interest in Barack Obama's religious beliefs can be only be measured in micro-give-a-shits.

Songwronger, you're only making an ass of yourself. If you need something to occupy your spare time, why don't you take up crossword puzzles?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 09:52 PM

Why didn't we just say "Duh" and leave it at that? Just sayin'.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 09:54 PM

You had all the answers earlier, Firth, pontificating about his family's religious background. Pontificate a bit further. Why the discrepancy between his school record and his current alleged beliefs?


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 10:03 PM

You'd be better off just sticking with duh. Makes more sense than any other defense of Obama I've read here.

Bottom line is you people don't know anything about Obama's religion, and so you say it's not an issue.

But Obama demonstrates daily that he's not a religious man, of any kind. He murders innocents. So how does he justify his murders? Does he ever bring God or religion into it? Just askin'.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 10:35 PM

I suppose we shouldn't pay any attention to Songywrongy. I mean, it has to be absurd to attempt to make an issue about Barack Obama's religious persuasion in 1968, when he was six or seven years old. The trouble is, there are so many people in this world reciting such tripe over and over again, and they seem to have some success making political hay out of such absurdities.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: bobad
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 10:40 PM

Too many sick-in-the-head people in the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 11:55 PM

I think he's an atheist who pretends to be christian for political gain. And to seem black. In the US, I mean. But who cares?


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 01:13 AM

Songwronger, as Joe said, Obama was just a kid. Some kids still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny at that age. And what his parents--or A parent--register him in school may have little to do with his religious beliefs--if any--a few years later when the youngster develops some ideas of his own.

I know a woman who became a Buddhist when she was in her fifties. And I know lots of people who did not follow the religion their parents embraced.

You're looking pretty silly here.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 06:40 AM

Ancient Rome was a lot more honest about this. Instead of going on the public-speaker circuit, a retired Emperor became a god. It was considered perfectly normal to spend your career worshipping at the Temple of Me.

He murders innocents. So how does he justify his murders?

Same way as Nixon the Quaker, I suppose.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: gnu
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 06:59 AM

He was a mover and shaker Quaker?


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 08:20 AM

At my old office we used to have a stick about three feet long. It was called the shit stick. And it used to be "awarded" on a weekly basis to the person that was stirring up the most shit. Maybe it's time to start such an award here too.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 10:00 AM

It may have escaped the limited attention of some participants that the United States Constitution forbids any religious test for public office.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 01:15 PM

I, too, have a high batting average when reading a BS thread title that seems to have "Songwronger" all over it... question- has the guy EVER posted to a musical theme??? Or is this really just a one note wonder?

OK, back on track or at least close... After completing kindergarden in public school, my mom decided that she wasn't all that thrilled with the public school system in our area. So off we went to the local Catholic school & that's where I spent the next 8 years. The kid who thought the statue of the Christ child was a girl, thought we were going to see the movie Ten Commandments about a guy named Noses, and was taught the Lord's Prayer & Hail Mary by my mom in the car after she finished getting me enrolled. And finished my eighth year as an agnostic because it took another year before I realized that I really didn't believe in any of it, making me an atheist.

So was I ever actually a Catholic, in spite of having been baptized, being forced to go to church, take communion and finally confirmation? I tried, but knew it was really hypocritcal to say I could actually believe even half of that stuff. At least I never felt any desire to run for public office.

The president married a woman who is Christian and I believe that he embraced her religion because it espoused many beliefs that he shared. Not the bible spouting BS but the sentiments behind the Sermon on the Mount and the Good Samaritan... you know the stuff that was preached by that guy called Jesus Christ.

Our founding fathers made separation of church and state a critical mandate when forming this country. We have no state religion and therefore there should be no need for these assinine witchhunts. But then there will always be the a-holes out there that just love to hate... looking to send us back into the dark ages.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 02:35 PM

"Noses' lol


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 03:09 PM

"Noses' lol


yeah... since I was bored to tears most of the time, I'd spend most of my time daydreaming...    so when I finally "woke up", it sounded like she was saying Noses.... then she went into the story & it still sounded like she was saying Noses... I had this mental picture of a guy in robe with a snoze like Jimmy Durante going from hilltop to hilltop chasing after sheep. WAS NOT prepared to see Charleton Heston up on the screen. LOL... hey, I was all of 7 or 8 and didn't know squat about the Old Testament... or even the New for that matter.

Kinda goes to the point of it don't mean beans what a parent puts on some paperwork. They're just making a paper pusher happy.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 03:53 PM

"Our Father, who art in Heaven,
Harold be thy name. . . ."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 03:55 PM

It must say something for Obama that the naysayers have to hitch on to something as inconsequential as his religion. They shake their little sticks and get all upset when disagreed with.

To my way of thinking, the Obamas are more Christian in their daily lives than a lot of those who wear the label.

If we're going to talk about murdering innocents let's look at Bush's record before even thinking about Obama's. The shrub got us involved in two wars that not only left children dead but also left ruined countries and one hell of a financial deficit, which this president is still trying to deal with.


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Subject: RE: BS: What religion is Obama?
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 03:57 PM

Don, I thought it was Andy?

"Andy walks with me, Andy talks with me, Andy tells me I am His own....."


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