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Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?

GUEST,JTT 25 Sep 13 - 06:31 PM
Joe Offer 25 Sep 13 - 07:24 PM
Will Fly 26 Sep 13 - 03:57 AM
Dave the Gnome 26 Sep 13 - 05:01 AM
MartinRyan 26 Sep 13 - 07:04 AM
Anne Neilson 26 Sep 13 - 11:10 AM
RTim 26 Sep 13 - 12:14 PM
MGM·Lion 26 Sep 13 - 12:42 PM
GUEST,JTT 26 Sep 13 - 02:13 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 25 Sep 13 - 06:31 PM

I think it's in the last 20 years that English TV and radio programmes started to pronounce the name Maria Mariya (rhyming with 'Hiya!')
Is there evidence from rhymes in folk songs (or possibly music hall, though they tended to use manged rhymes for comic effect, so aren't so reliable) for this pronunciation or for the more normal Latinate one of Mareeya?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Sep 13 - 07:24 PM

Depends on the context and usage. They don't call the wind mareeah, and neither does one say "Ave Ma-rye-ah."

And I think a Black Maria, is usually of the "rye" variety.

And if it's spelled "Mariah," it always falls into the "rye" category.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?
From: Will Fly
Date: 26 Sep 13 - 03:57 AM

I've always thought of Mariah (rye) as a very 19th century and earlier pronunciation - with no particular evidence to support my theory.

My better half, on the other hand, when introduced to strangers, gives a sigh of resignation when they open out their arms and burst out singing, "Mar-ee-ah - I've just met a girl called Mar-ee-ah!"

She gets even more shirty when they fail to pronounce it properly and say "Marie"...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Sep 13 - 05:01 AM

Marie seems to change as you progress north in the UK. South of England seems to be the standard 'Maree' while around me in Lancs/Yorks 'Mari' (Rhymes with Marry) is quite common. North of the border in Scotland we see 'Mahri', as in Mairi's Wedding'. No help I know but I find it interesting :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 26 Sep 13 - 07:04 AM

Now, in the Irish language....

No, no - things are complicated enough as it is!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?
From: Anne Neilson
Date: 26 Sep 13 - 11:10 AM

I'm with Will Fly on this -- thinking of Ma(rye)a Marten and the Murder in the Red Barn (hope that's how it's all spelled). And I do remember feeling discombobulated when I first heard Frankie Laine pronounce it in the same way on his hit record "They call the wind..." -- didn't seem to fit with the mid-20th century!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?
From: RTim
Date: 26 Sep 13 - 12:14 PM

There was a whole thread about this subject a few years ago on Mudcat.

See - thread.cfm?threadid=115720

When I recorded a song called - Maria, I used the "Mar-i-a" (as in Black Maria) pronunciation.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Sep 13 - 12:42 PM

"What's up?" says Brown, "Have you seen a ghost?
Have you seen your Aunt Maria?"

"Oh, my Aunt Maria be blowed," he said.
"The blooming pub's on fire!"

When the Old Dun Cow Caught Fire recorded by Harry Champion 1911

[ Roud 5323 ; Ballad Index DTolddun ; by Harry Wincott]
When the Old Dun Cow Caught Fire is a music hall song written by Harry Wincott in 1893, and it is a song from the repertoire of the Copper Family. It can be found in Jim Copper's handwritten songbook from 1933 but it has not been included in the family's printed songbook. Bob Copper sang this song in a recording made by Peter Kennedy at Cecil Sharp House on the 1960 HMV album 'A Jug of Punch: Broadside Ballads Old and New'.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 26 Sep 13 - 02:13 PM

Thanks, MtheGM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Maria' pronunciation?
From: GUEST,canyabotticelli
Date: 26 Sep 13 - 07:03 PM

Thinking of Joe Offer's They Call the Wind Ma-rye-ah. Clint Eastwood starred in the 70's film Paint Your Wagon singing both TCTWMariah and I Talk to the Trees. He was a speaker at the 2012 GOP convention (it'll never be republican to me) addressing an empty chair as President Obama.

Maybe it's a natural progression; back then he talked to the trees, now he talks to the furniture.


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