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BS: US Government shutdown

Dan Schatz 30 Sep 13 - 10:05 PM
Bill D 30 Sep 13 - 10:29 PM
Greg F. 30 Sep 13 - 10:31 PM
Donuel 01 Oct 13 - 12:05 AM
Richard Bridge 01 Oct 13 - 04:19 AM
Mr Happy 01 Oct 13 - 04:49 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 01 Oct 13 - 05:16 AM
Greg F. 01 Oct 13 - 07:39 AM
GUEST,Grishka 01 Oct 13 - 08:06 AM
GUEST 01 Oct 13 - 08:28 AM
Greg F. 01 Oct 13 - 08:44 AM
Lighter 01 Oct 13 - 08:57 AM
GUEST,Grishka 01 Oct 13 - 09:09 AM
Nigel Parsons 01 Oct 13 - 09:19 AM
VirginiaTam 01 Oct 13 - 09:22 AM
Greg F. 01 Oct 13 - 09:43 AM
GUEST,dick greenhaus 01 Oct 13 - 10:09 AM
Richard Bridge 01 Oct 13 - 10:23 AM
Greg F. 01 Oct 13 - 10:44 AM
GUEST 01 Oct 13 - 11:24 AM
GUEST,Grishka 01 Oct 13 - 12:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 Oct 13 - 12:58 PM
Greg F. 01 Oct 13 - 05:09 PM
akenaton 01 Oct 13 - 05:23 PM
Richard Bridge 01 Oct 13 - 06:00 PM
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GUEST,Grishka 01 Oct 13 - 06:10 PM
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Subject: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 10:05 PM

OK, usually I pretty much avoid the BS threads, but this one is important. A number of Mudcatters work for the US federal government. If Congress doesn't pass a clean continuing budget resolution, they will be living without a paycheck as long as the shutdown lasts, with no guarantee they will ever be paid for that lost time. This includes are many friends at the American Folklife Center and the National Endowment for the Arts - as well as about 2 million other people.

I've written a blog post about it, if anyone's interested, but the basic point is this: If you don't want this to continue, contact your Senators and members of Congress right away right away. As was recently pointed out to me, our friends living in Washington, DC don't have any representation in Congress - so we need to raise our voices all the louder.

Dan


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 10:29 PM

My Senators and representatives are all leading Democrats... but I'll refresh the thread and yell down the hill. (Congress is about 15 miles from me as the crow flies)


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 10:31 PM

Not quite- one needs to contact the Braindead Republican Assholes in the House right away and 1. tell them to grow up and stop behaving like 12 year olds; 2. Explain to them that at 40 votes and counting, at a cost of $1.5 million taxpayer dollarsper nonsensical vote, they are not going to repeal the Affordable Care act and 3. Remind them that "most Americans don't want 'Obamacare'[sic] is lie that they created themselves, same as all the other lies they promulgated about this duly and properly enacted legislation.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 12:05 AM

It has happened, not just the shut down but the credit default swap on the US treasury note that I POSTED under 'over active imagination thread.
TODAY the rate to insure the treasury note against collapse and default went from 160 to well over 1,200. Billionaires will be made from the accelerating bets that the note will fail. Nothing successfully fails as well as wall st. betting on failure. It picks up momentum as the fear of failure pushes failure farther and faster.


Yep our family is now without a paycheck. Despite what is being reported by FOX News that gov. employees will get a paid vacation the truth is that it is up to Congress to decide if we get paid or not.

As chief economist for a major gov. agency my wife's job included taking actions to insure a procedural shut down and answer questions of contractors, employees and directors.

My dad was a gov. employee as well. I remember him saying on pay day "THE EAGLE POOPED TODAY". The EAGLE is now officially constipated and may not poop for weeks since the debt ceiling extortion scheme by tea party reps, put in office with Koch Bros money, is only 2.2 weeks away.

the debt ceiling postponement plan is the truly serious and hideous crime that has been planned for 2 years.


Last time the US lost their AAA credit rating on the mere11th hour resolution of the threat to do nothing. To actually go past the 11th hour would increase the nation debt by more than the sequester fiasco saved because of higher interest rates for dead beats like the US. The numbers are not solid since no one knows how a runaway inflation would effect of cheap dollars would balance out the debt.

The debt by the way has now been lower than it has been for the last 30 years. FOX is forbidden from reporting that fact.


Anyway its been crazy but my prediction about credit default swaps cloaked in the secrecy of opaque hedge fund transactions is beyond crazy and runs the risk of revisiting the days of 2008 and too big to fail extortion of the US Treasury.

Obama could do what Lincoln did in the last civil war and dismiss Congress. What are they going to do. complain that it is unconstitutional? Too bad the Supreme Court is also shut down.

James Madison once wrote about the Tyranny of the minority. Now we know what 3o congressmen can do and actually inflict more damage on Congress and the country than the airliner that supposed to hit the Capitol on 9-11. That reminds me that the Rep Congressmen were heard tonight shouting "Lets ROLL like on 9-11" right before they began their vote to reject the Senate's clean CR bill.




On a less serious note, THIS JUST IN ;-)

Boehner says he is willing to table his defund Obama care amendment if Obama gives himself a vasectomy, by his own hand, on live TV!

not likely I know.

I see Ted Cruz waving his baton and conducting the singing tea party republicans in Congress in a rousing rendition of DIXIE and 'burnin down the house'.

The 30 tea party rebels who threaten to primary all squishy moderates and vowed to destroy and shut down the gov. by doing nothing still risk great injury by cutting off their noses to spite their face and shooting themselves in the foot and setting recreational fires in their bedrooms and jamming a sharp stick in their eye and tripping on their own bloody feet and falling face first, sans noses, in the mud.

Here's mud in your eye Republicans.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 04:19 AM

Can we have that in comprehensible form please?


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Mr Happy
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 04:49 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24342521


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 05:16 AM

For those who still maintain that there is no difference between the parties, there is your answer.

Obama and the Democrats legaly and correctly try to give the benefit of affordable health care to at least some of the 47 million who previously had none.

The Republicans throw their toys out of the pram and hold America to ransom, threatening to destroy the country if the Health Care isn't postponed.

They are so determined that Obama will not succeed that they want, in addition to stopping any new initiatives, to destroy anything already achieved by him.

The lengths some people will go to, rather than allow an uppity N****r to run the country, even to the point of bankrupting the country in the process.

With the USA still struggling to recover from the worst recession since 1929 (which happened on the Republicans' watch), these clowns are prepared to shove it right back into recession.

Does anybody still think these mental defectives are fit to govern a waste disposal site, let alone a country?

I would suggest psychiatric evaluation for anyone who does.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 07:39 AM

Not only that, Don, but the Prez could not have caved in to blackmail and abandoned a duly enacted law of the land without bringing on a constitutional crisis. He would have abdicated his responsibility to support the Constitution.

Instead, we have been handed a financial crisis - which will only get worse when these same juvenile idiots refise to raise the debt ceiling in a couple of weeks.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 08:06 AM

The problem is not the existence of "clowns", but a system that favours them being elected into power - often in spite of most voters' true conviction. Any complainer should also mention which other system she or he finds preferable, and found or support a political movement for it. "Those in power will suppress any change!" - only an excuse if you have really tried.

This applies to most countries, but I know only one country that allows a "government shutdown". The very idea sounds like a satire.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 08:28 AM

Federal employees will go without paychecks.
Does that include the politicians ?


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 08:44 AM

While I agree with you in general, Grishka, in this particular instance it is indeed the result of ignorant clowns as well as the gutless wonders in the Republican Party who refuse to tell the minority clown faction to sit down and shut up. Peter King is the only one willing to do so at present.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Lighter
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 08:57 AM

GUEST: No.

The 27th Amendment, ratified by the states in 1992, guarantees Congressional paychecks till after the next elections for the House. Of course, the primary intent of the amendment seems to have been to keep them from voting raises for themselves.

So the Idiots Responsible lose nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 09:09 AM

Greg, I do not see any contradiction between our statements. According to BBC, the "gutless" fear for their personal career. This is morally wrong, but from general public's point of view, a political system should not rely solely on the moral quality of politicians. That is the original idea of "checks and balances" - now (and for a long time before) the system turns out to have the exactly opposite effect. I do not know enough about American matters to give good advice, but I encourage everyone who shouts "bad/gutless politicians!" to point out the flaws in the system as well, preferably proposing a way to improve it.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 09:19 AM

The 27th Amendment, ratified by the states in 1992, guarantees Congressional paychecks till after the next elections for the House. Of course, the primary intent of the amendment seems to have been to keep them from voting raises for themselves.

So the Idiots Responsible lose nothing.

Always assuming there's someone in the Civil Service working who can make the payments!


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 09:22 AM

What will the shutdown effect?

Department of Interior
"Furloughs for US Forest Service employees at the peak of forest fire season."
Department of Energy and Envronmental Protection
Skeleton staff at nuclear energy plants and for the EPA. The former a risk because overworked stressed employees make mistakes. The latter means that "all clean up at Superfund sites in 47 states will cease."

Health & Human Services
Bad news for the elederly, infants and people with compromised immune systems. At the beginning of flu season -
"What won't continue is the CDC's seasonal flu vaccine program. And any outbreak of a new strain of flu could prove to be disastrous, as the agency's ability to respond to a crisis or distribute up-to-date treatment information will be significantly delayed."


So I would call this stunt an act of terrorism more than a mere temper tantrum. There should be a hew and cry from the public for them to cease and desist immediately. And charges of perpetrating danger to the safety of nation's citizens brought against them.

Failing that a class action suit, to suck each rich assed corporate puppet dry of every penny he/she possesses.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 09:43 AM

C'mon now, Tam - the Republicans claim they're doing this because the American People want them to. And because they're "right" and they have the best interests of the American people at heart.

You tellin' us they're lying?


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,dick greenhaus
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 10:09 AM

Seems to me that a Congress that's unable to perform the basic functions of running a government should be impeached for either misfeasance, malfeasance, nonfeasance or all three.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 10:23 AM

I hate to agree with Don, but I do on this occasion. And VT I agree with too. The root of this problem is that the pathway to the Affordable Care Act threw out the only proper scheme - Kucinich's single payer scheme, although even that did not go far enough.

The USA needs an NHS of its own (rather than US asset strippers buying the privatised bits of ours). Articles about this problem do refer to the fact that the US is the only first world country without proper national healthcare. That should be a badge of shame for America.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 10:44 AM

The problem is not the existence of "clowns", but a system that favours them being elected into power

If you mean that a portion of "the system' in the U.S. is comprised of larger cadre of even more ignorant, uneducated, idiot clowns - called voters of a certain persuasion - that place these ignorant clowns in the Federal and State legislatures, I fear you're right, Grishka.

However, they are proven to be uneducable and they refuse to accept proven fact, preferring instead the concoctoion of myth, fantasy and bald-faced lies cooked up by the RepubliClowns running for, and elected to, office.

Sort of euthanasia, I don't know what can be done about them.

Suggestions welcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 11:24 AM

Try cryogenics instead of euthanasia.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 12:54 PM

Greg, other democratic nations have uneducated voters as well, whose primitive instincts are being exploited by "populist" politicians. This is particularly easy when there are strong causes for frustration, therefore it is a good idea to reduce these causes: not only manifest poverty, but also a feeling of injustice, or fear of losing out in the future. In such a state of mind, people can easily act much more stupid than they are.

The second remedy is of course to improve general education.

But my suggestion is much more elementary than those ambitious goals. It is to change the constitution so that responsibility can be more clearly located. In particular, abolish all those preposterous and abusive features such as government shutdown, filibustering, etc. etc. Now is the best time for all US Americans to see that the system does not work, so that a reform has better chances than before. While you are at it, you may restructure the competences of Federal and State governments for more clarity.

A single Federal government that is exclusively in charge, as in Canada and most other countries, can be held responsible if things go wrong; there are fewer valid excuses. Voters will hopefully be less likely to reelect it, particularly if another party is at hand that sounds more convincing. With a truly responsible government, the difficult problems of education and avoiding frustration can be tackled with better chance of success.

It does not always work, but sometimes in some countries, not necessarily of higher levels of education and/or wealth etc. than the USA. If you wait until most voters are miraculously enlightened, you may wait forever.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 12:58 PM

Pretty slick of Congress and the President....They still get paid for lying to us!...BUT, the banksters, that they represent, will make a bundle off this..they always do, when it all gets ironed out, and they are paid back, WITH INTEREST!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 05:09 PM

The second remedy is of course to improve general education.

No chance, Grishka - the across the board draconian RepubliClown cuts to education funding since Ronnie RayGun are now bearing exactly the fruit they were intended to.

See also: Charles P. Pierce: Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 05:23 PM

The UK has a health service, free at the point of delivery a wonderful concept dating back to 1945.

Today it is widely abused by doctors, consultants, drug companies and the general public who feel entitled to everything and responsible for nothing.....It is used as a political weapon by all the Party's....It costs a fortune to run.

Concepts like the UK NHS are only as good as those who use and abuse them.
We have learned the art of corruption.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 06:00 PM

Usual bollocks from ake. An entitlement is an entitlement.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 06:00 PM

Usual bollocks from ake. An entitlement is an entitlement.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 06:10 PM

Greg, as I wrote, education can only be improved in the longer run. Until then, those many US Americans who do have a good education, intelligence, and goodwill should do their best to bring about the change, and publicize their efforts widely. I have not heard or read about such a powerful outcry yet. Instead, I keep reading complains that politicians are clowns etc.

You may be underestimating "stupidity" in other countries. Many people who are not able to sophisticated political thinking still have the cleverness to watch the elites of their countries closely. Only if the intellectuals fail miserably, populists get their chance.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Squeezer
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 06:13 PM

At the risk of some thread drift, I have to ask akenaton just how the NHS is being abused by doctors and consultants. All the hospital doctors I knew during my 28-odd years in hospital work were highly dedicated and worked very long and often stressful hours.

The NHS provides free and (almost) all-inclusive health care at the point of delivery for comparatively cheap instalment payments (which don't even have to be continuous). And it is expected to do much more nowadays than it did in the past. So yes, it does cost the government a lot to run. But despite what Murdoch and Cameron would have us believe, I think front-line care is highly cost-effective.

If (or perhaps I should say when) we change to a US-style health so-called system you will find that the cost of insurance policies, which in most cases will provide only partial cover, will be absolutely crippling for all but the top 5% of earners. A service which relies heavily on high levels of government expenditure is not necessarily inefficient. Conversely (and again with reference to the US) a commercial service which is funded by high levels of private expenditure is not necessarily efficient.

I hope that your post is not trying to suggest that the US might be better off not to have a national health care system.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 06:18 PM

As for health care, all existing systems have their drawbacks. Still, a nation must be able to make a decision.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 06:45 PM

You may be underestimating "stupidity" in other countries.

Not at all- I have a great respect for the awesome power of stupidity world-wide.

Nor am I talking about "sophisticated political thinking" - most of the RepubliClown supporters are incapable of rational thought, period.

US Americans who do have a good education, intelligence, and goodwill should do their best to bring about the change

Agreed - but when dealing with the uneducable brain dead, how do you suggest one should proceed?


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 06:58 PM

Give a good example. Unite for a feasible new constitution, found a new political movement for it, organize demonstrations etc. If it is unsuccessful in the first try, at least you can say you tried.

What is really needed is media power, traditionally TV companies that reach the "brain dead". This may be a problem if all such companies are bought by the establishment. The Internet "blogosphere" is an excellent second choice, assuming that the NSA would not want to be caught censoring blatantly.

First of all, those whose brain is alive must use it and get together.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 08:51 PM

Looks as if the TeaPubs have shot their wad early... They were too anxious to fuck with Obama and took the cheap bait... Now that they have fucked with Obama then the more important issue will be the debt ceiling, which BTW, would be more harmful to the US economy than what the TeaPubs have gone for...

So, right on the heels of this shutdown the TeaPubs have used their "Shut Down" card early and have lost this one so bad that it is laughable...

Bye to the TeaPubs... They have all but signed their own death certificates... They have insured that the Dems will hold the Senate in '14, will win back more seats in the House and the White House is now completely out of reach for the Republicans in '16...

Stupid people do stupid things...

Thank you, TeaPubs, for being stupid people...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 10:25 PM

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Today I spent several hours watching live House speeches, the ultimate votes, the commentary and viewer comments.

I wouldn't count Cruz out just yet- although I hope he took a heavy blow today with the failure of the vote for the temporary stopgap for veterans, national parks and Washington, DC. They said that the rift within the GOP boiled down to separate plans favored by Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz, and Cruz's plan won. And of course, lost.

I don't care for McConnell but I like Cruz even less.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: number 6
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 10:31 PM

I'd say this is a result of the American political system breaking down ... it just doesn't work anymore.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 10:55 PM

The last time they did this, it came back to bite them on the butt. I hope it bites harder this time, but it will be a while before then next Congress happens.

After visiting a few other websites and hearing news programs, it seems the Republicans are trying to blame this on Democrats (for not caving). We need a huge backlash against 'stupid'.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 11:33 PM

One might legitimately attach some of the blame to Harry Reid---who could have put an end to this filibuster nonsense on the day this Congress convened.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 01:27 AM

I tried to access the National Park Service Website this evening, but it has been shut down. I gotta say, maybe that's carrying this shutdown a bit too far.

Also, I heard of people who were barred from entering the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. That's usually an open area anyone can enter. Seems strange to go to the effort to block it off.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 05:39 AM

""I'd say this is a result of the American political system breaking down ... it just doesn't work anymore.""

Not too surprising in a country whose leaders believe that a democratic majority is 60% Bill.

Did any of them progress beyond primary school year two?
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""Also, I heard of people who were barred from entering the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. That's usually an open area anyone can enter. Seems strange to go to the effort to block it off.""

Indeed it does Joe, and how strange for workmen to agree to establish the blockage, before being laid off without pay.

I don't know about you, but I strongly believe that any British workman in those circumstances would have told 'em where to shove it..........sideways!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 07:53 AM

Harry Reid is a Senator, not a Representative, Dick...

There are no filibusters in the House... What there are are folks who are there because computers can draw district lines with the precision of a surgeon to insure the results before the first vote is cast...

But on the larger question of filibusters, I agree... Stupid rule...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 10:26 AM

Here's your genius voters, Grishka, and your racist idiots, Bobert.

"In most polls, a majority of Americans say they oppose "Obamacare." But a number of recent polls suggest that many of those same people are more supportive of the Affordable Care Act . There's just one problem: They're the same thing.

A recent CNBC poll found 46 percent of respondents said they are opposed to Obamacare. But only 37 percent of the same people taking part in the poll say they oppose the Affordable Care Act.

So, late-night host Jimmy Kimmel decided to take the seeming contradiction to the next level by filming a video in which he asked people to share their thoughts on Obamacare vs. Affordable Care.

"I just think there's a lot of holes in it and that it needs to be revamped. I just think it hasn't been thought out," one person says when asked why she doesn't like Obamacare. When asked about the Affordable Care Act, she responds, "It's better but I'm not happy with that, either."

"Just the name says it all," adds another man, who said he'd sign up for the Affordable Care Act but not Obamacare.

Another point made with one of the interviewees reflects the findings of a recent NPR report, which shows that many individuals who say they are opposed to Obamacare actually support many of the law's provisions when they are explained individually and without the baggage of being attached to President Obama."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/all-in-a-name--jimmy-kimmel-quizzes-americans-on-%E2%80%98obamacare%E2%80%99-vs--%E2%80%9Caffordable-care-act%E2%80%99-214544505.html


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Squeezer
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 11:54 AM

Where is that Guest From Sanity when he's needed? Gone fishing obviously, as usually he/she is straight in with an illuminating opinion on a thread like this. He is the only one who can clearly and logically explain how the Tea Baggers are saving the Free World. If anyone has his phone number, can they please ring him up and ask him to share his thoughts with us.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 12:14 PM

Did you hear that the stock market went up? They are manipulating it. Those rich white guys are trying to create the impression that shutting down government is good for the economy. Good for whom? It's scary what they are doing. They are evil.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 12:21 PM

Get ready to puke.

A tour group of WWII veterans showed up at the National World War II Memorial yesterday for a planned visit and found the large open space closed by the shutdown.

Somebody shouted "We're goin' in!" and the wheelchairs rolled.

Soon Tea Party Goddess Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann appeared with her crew. She threw her arms around one guy from World War II and said, "We want Americans to know that we're here to protect the lives and health care of these wonderful gentlemen!"

Then she gave him a big kiss.

(Another WWII group crashed the gates today. The GIs met with no National Park Services resistance on either occasion.)


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 12:40 PM

Happy Birthday Yosemite National Park!

I wonder if the above means we camp out at Yosemite, start a campfire and sings songs about social justice without catching some teargas or a bullet. My guess is no.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 02:20 PM

Greg, such "polls" have been held in European countries as well, often by TV journalists, and the "funniest" results can be watched on YouTube.

Note that my main point was: if a large proportion of the elite agrees on a reform of the system, it may still fail; otherwise it is bound to fail.

"My ingenious voters" - perhaps you mean my statement that uninformed voters may still vote reasonably if they have the feeling that their leaders and intellectuals act consistently. This is actually more or less the case in many countries, so I need not hypothesize.

I am not surprised that the label "Obamacare" is unpopular: Obama's often admired rhetorics are still typical of a lawyer, not inspiring too much long-term confidence.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 04:37 PM

All along I have been thinking that the tea party repubs are the ones to blame for this. I don't think so any more. For the most part they seem to actually believe their rhetoric and are voting accordingly. I have come to the conclusion that the real culprits are the non-tea party repubs who are afraid (with good reason) of losing their next primary. They are willing to put the country at risk in order to save their jobs.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 05:14 PM

Not INgenious, Grishka- plain "genius"- sarcasm alert. Point is that the folks opposed to whatever it is don't know what it is. Oh, ye generation of morons.

For the most part they seem to actually believe their rhetoric and are voting accordingly.

I fail to see that believing in absolute fairytale made-up nonsensical no-facts-need-apply ignorant anti-intellectual bullshit is something to be admiredc - or for that matter condoned.

Get 'em committed to a lunatic asylum where they belong.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 05:42 PM

Non-essential government employees:

EPA regulators who spend an inordinate amount of time chasing folks like the Koch brothers for poisoning our water and polluting our air...

Justice attorneys who spend an inordinate amount of time chasing the right wing KKKers from imposing voter suppression laws to prevent minorities from voting...

National Guard which has been called upon to assist in fighting fires and rescuing flood victims...

Etc. etc, etc...

The TeaPubs would have you believe that these people are non-essentail and in their eyes these people are...

BTW, the average net worth of a TeaPub congressman is $1.4M... In other words??? 1%ers...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 05:55 PM

I don' care how consistent or sincere the Tea Partiers are, they're heartless morons who believe their own bullshit and hide behind a religion that they don't interpret faithfully in the least.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 06:17 PM

"...heartless morons who believe their own bullshit..."

Well, the first part is accurate, but I often wonder if they actually 'believe' much of it. They have a certain agenda, and much of it requires either lying OR belief in weird ideas. I'm not sure some of them actually bother to sort out in their own heads what the difference is.

It is a matter of: "Here's what we want, and here's the standard talking points we sorta think we are supposed to deliver for the 'cause'."

You ever been to a store where you can't get the goods or service you want, and the answer is: "There's no reason for it...it's just our policy."?


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