BS: US Government shutdown

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Oct 13 - 04:32 PM

Big deal, Joe. Now we can watch the RepubliClowns go thru this whole idiotic charade again in January.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Oct 13 - 05:26 PM

Q.E.D:

NY TIMES 16 October 2013
WASHINGTON — Coming out of a closed-door meeting Wednesday afternoon, in which Speaker John A. Boehner explained to his conference that he would be taking up the Senate deal and likely passing it with the help of Democratic votes, Republican lawmakers were already regrouping for the next fight.

"I'll vote against it," Representative John Fleming of Louisiana said. "But that will get us into Round 2. See, we're going to start this all over again."

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Lighter
Date: 16 Oct 13 - 06:01 PM

And what, exactly, did the TP geniuses get out of it?

Essentially nothing but extended media exposure.

Worth its weight in contributor gold!

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Oct 13 - 07:02 PM

What Greg said about the next round of insanity...

I have been thinking about this and think it's time for Democrats to start voting in Republican primaries as a means of stopping the extreme right from getting in a position to do so much damage on the country...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Van
Date: 16 Oct 13 - 07:33 PM

Can't we shut it down permanently and save the rest of the world from the shit it throws around? I'll leave it to others to make the list it's too long for just one man.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Oct 13 - 08:09 PM

"Can't we shut it down permanently...?"

I hope you're being cynical... the idea is silly.

I wonder how long the Tea Party and sympathizers can keep up this travesty without admitting what the REAL issues are that they seldom mention.

They want to 'win' in order to put forward policies about taxes, abortion, entitlements, immigration ....etc., and ....somehow ... make the idea of having a black president look awkward. They can't... usually... say these things directly, so they invent improbable schemes to harden their own narrow base and keep their 'jobs' AS muddle-heads.

Sometimes I long for the concept of an Enlightened Despot... this Democracy thing allows a weird bunch to vote... (and I think 'they' kinda agree with me .. for very different reasons.)

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Lighter
Date: 16 Oct 13 - 08:29 PM

> They want to 'win' in order to put forward policies about taxes, abortion, entitlements, immigration ....etc.

Which shows how stupid and crazy they are. The proper way to go about it is formulate bills in committee and put them to a vote on the floor. But the TP positions are generally so radical and moronic that they know they can never win that way.

So they do what they can, because they have nothing (they think) to lose.

A reporter asked one of these self-righteous pinheads a day or two ago what he thought of the fact that the shutdown was making government employees "suffer" over the legally settled issue of Obamacare. The response?














"Well, that's just the price of freedom."

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Van
Date: 16 Oct 13 - 09:01 PM

Bill. Hit the nail on the head. ;) people must think.
I

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Oct 13 - 09:02 PM

""Well, that's just the price of freedom."

LOLOL! Right... as in "The government in its wisdom allows the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges."

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Oct 13 - 10:50 PM

The employees didn't suffer they got time off now they will be paid. This was done by self proclaimed deficit hawks "fighting waste."

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 13 - 08:39 AM

Well, as Senator John McCain said in an interview yesterday, "when you're dealing with people of no intelligence....."

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 17 Oct 13 - 09:45 AM

Well, as Senator John McCain said in an interview yesterday, "when you're dealing with people of no intelligence....."

I caught that. That seemed rather a bold thing for him to say but I was impressed that he did. He is p*ssed off about this whole thing, kept calling it a fools errand.

Did you catch Senator Cruz claiming victory? What a pinhead.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Lighter
Date: 17 Oct 13 - 11:46 AM

> Did you catch Senator Cruz claiming victory? What a pinhead.

You mean a genius. You should watch him work a crowd. He's looking ahead to bigger things - for himself.

And, in fact, people did suffer. The furloughed employees didn't know when (or if) they'd be paid, they haven't been paid yet, mortgages and rents have fallen due, and thousands of small businesses connected with the National Parks lost income.

Huge suffering? Probably for no more than a few. Was the attempt to sandbag a law of the land, while studiously avoiding a thousand real problems like immigration reform and costing the GNP a couple of billion bucks worth it? You be the judge.

"The price of freedom" means what it will take to get these idiots out of office.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 13 - 12:06 PM

Indeed, KB. I don't always agree with McCain - hell, I RARELY agree with McCain, but he's intelligent, educated, rational, capable of critical thought and grounded in reality(most of the time).

I suppose I demonstrate my age by considering him and those like him, the "loyal opposition".

It is way past time that those Republicans of intelligence - and there are still such, tho they're currently mostly in hiding, purged the idiots from the party, or at least recognized them for the absolute idiots they are, and said so.

If the crazies thenwanted to then form the American Idiot Party, good luck to them.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bettynh
Date: 17 Oct 13 - 12:35 PM

Some random fallout:


NH campgrounds , privately owned but on land within the National Forest, were closed on one of the busiest weeks of the year.

Beer breweries were prevented from distributing new recipes (microbreweries are popular in this part of the country.)

Kng crab fishermen couldn't open their season.

Variious long-term science projects have been damaged. Scientists are re-assessing their positions.

Perhaps most damaging of all, Kelly Ayotte came out smelling of roses. She's articulate, intelligent, and attractive. She's been seriosly discussed as a vice-presidential candidate since she arrived in Washington last January. She's looking mighty fine as a direct contestant against Hillary.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 17 Oct 13 - 01:50 PM

So glad to be back at work this morning serving the public!

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 13 - 04:12 PM

Reportage here (UK) indicates a humiliating climb-down for the Republicans, a substantial opinion swing pro-democrat, and best of all possibly a split between the Republicans and the Tea-potty, so splitting the right-wing vote.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Oct 13 - 04:39 PM

The bottom line: racism.

The shutdown is at the feet of Boehner and Cruz. Let's face the fact that America is still
a racist nation and many white Confederates do not like a black president.

Dick, nothing much Harry Reid could do about that.

Trouble will come up again in January and February.

The Republican robbers want to take away health care, Medicare and Social Security.

Robberpublicans.

Impeach members of the Supreme Court who voted for Citizen's United.

Take the gavel away from Boehner who abused his authority.

Non-cooperation and non-violent resistance is the solution.

Voting is important and hopefully the election won't be stolen again.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: artbrooks
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 01:07 AM

An unfortunate bit of fallout: Federal employees will get paid for their forced time off, but people who couldn't work because their workplace was within a closed government facility, such as cafeteria workers in Federal buildings, maintenance workers on military installations and people who work in the National Park lodges will not. All part of that $24 billion.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 09:57 AM

About right, Art - Since when have Republicans given a fart in a high wind about cafeteria workers, janitors & maids?

Of course, CEO's, Banksters & day traders would be another story.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 10:21 AM

"Since when have Republicans given a fart in a high wind about cafeteria workers, janitors & maids?"

to the affluent, these people are invisible, disposable units that are regarded with annoyance if they presume to assert themselves.

Unless, of course, they belong to the household staff & then they are regarded as possessions that may need to be coddled a bit to keep them in check.

So when we put these people in office, is it any wonder that they feel the public should work for them and not the other way around?

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 10:56 AM

"Take the gavel away from Boehner who abused his authority."

ummm... heard that possibility being discussed yesterday. The pundits just looked at each other when asked just who might succeed him. Eric Cantor? I hope not....

I have a vague suspicion that he is holding on because HE knows that there are very few other Republicans right now who could do the job, and the possibility of one of the worst loonies landing the position is truly scary.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 05:24 PM

very few other Republicans right now who could do the job

What job is that? Boner has been an absolute failure as Speaker.

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 07:36 PM

He's been a failure 25% because of his own lack of leadership...but 75% because .... you can't herd cats.

And NEW cats who won't even piss in the sandbox would make the best Speaker tear his hair! I really think that he would have been thrown out if he had allowed an early vote to end the shutdown... and NO ONE wanted to see a change of Speakers right now.

You can't just say "Boner failed" anymore than the Republicans can just block everything, then say "Obama failed."

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 08:36 PM

Johnny Bonehead is a coward... So is the rest of the non-Tea GOP caucus...

On another front, David Koch is trying to walk away from his efforts involved in this shutdown and needs to be pressured more by progressives until he quits buying congressmen in states where he doesn't live or do business...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: US Government shutdown
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 12:01 AM

We'll just have to see what comes out of the already pre-arranged 'compromise'(??). This is all a bunch of hooey theatrics, both sides, who are as crooked as a cork screw!
Keystone, here we come!...the 'biggest problem' with that is, it will NOT benefit the American people as 'promised'....just like the Saudi people 'all' benefit' from their oil, huh?

A lot of you guys just ain't seeing it...and keep bickering about the minutia 'argue points' put out by the corporate media.
What a bunch of fucking saps!

GfS