BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?

Subject: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 06:33 PM

It went into effect a week ago. Has anyone signed up?

Is your monthly premium higher or lower than it used to be?

Is your deductible higher or lower than it used to be?

Is your level of coverage greater or less than it used to be?

Do you get to keep your old doctor(s)?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 06:38 PM

Fuck off, asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 06:53 PM

I'm one of the fortunate folks with health insurance through my employer, though this was not the case for the first ten years when working elsewhere.   How about you?

And for those who are not American and/or are unfamiliar with the provisions of the law:

The Affordable Care Act includes numerous provisions that take effect between 2010 and 2020. Policies issued before 2010 are exempted by a grandfather clause from many of the changes to insurance standards, but they are affected by other provisions.[17][18] Significant reforms are listed below, most of which take effect by January 1, 2014:

    Guaranteed issue prohibits insurers from denying coverage to individuals due to pre-existing conditions, and a partial community rating requires insurers to offer the same premium price to all applicants of the same age and geographical location without regard to gender or most pre-existing conditions (excluding tobacco use).[19][20][21]
    Minimum standards for health insurance policies are established.[22][23][24][25][26]
    An individual mandate[27][28] requires all individuals not covered by an employer sponsored health plan, Medicaid, Medicare or other public insurance programs (such as Tricare) to secure an approved private-insurance policy or pay a penalty, unless the applicable individual has a financial hardship or is a member of a recognized religious sect exempted by the Internal Revenue Service.[29] The law includes subsidies to help people with low incomes comply with the mandate.[30]
    Health insurance exchanges will commence operation in every state. Each exchange will serve as an online marketplace where individuals and small businesses can compare policies and buy insurance (with a government subsidy if eligible).[31] In the first year of operation, open enrollment on the exchanges runs from October 1, 2013 to March 31, 2014, and insurance plans purchased by December 15, 2013 will begin coverage on January 1, 2014.[32][33][34][35] In subsequent years, open enrollment will start on October 15 and end on December 7.[36][37][38]
    Low-income individuals and families whose incomes are between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty level will receive federal subsidies on a sliding scale if they purchase insurance via an exchange.[39] Those from 133% to 150% of the poverty level will be subsidized such that their premium costs will be 3% to 4% of income.[40] In 2013, the subsidy would apply for incomes up to $45,960 for an individual or $94,200 for a family of four; consumers can choose to receive their tax credits in advance, and the exchange will send the money directly to the insurer every month.[41] Small businesses will also be eligible for subsidies.[42]
    Medicaid eligibility is expanded to include individuals and families with incomes up to 133% of the federal poverty level, including adults without disabilities and without dependent children.[43] The law also provides for a 5% "income disregard", making the effective income eligibility limit for Medicaid 138% of the poverty level.[44] Furthermore, the State Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) enrollment process is simplified.[43] However, in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, the Supreme Court ruled that states may opt out of the Medicaid expansion, and several have done so.
    Reforms to the Medicare payment system are meant to promote greater efficiency in the healthcare delivery system by restructuring Medicare reimbursements from fee-for-service to bundled payments.[45][46] Under the new payment system, a single payment is paid to a hospital and a physician group for a defined episode of care (such as a hip replacement) rather than individual payments to individual service providers. In addition, the Medicare Part D coverage gap (commonly called the "donut hole") will shrink and be completely closed by January 1, 2020.[47]
    Businesses who employ 50 or more people but do not offer health insurance to their full-time employees will pay a tax penalty if the government has subsidized a full-time employee's healthcare through tax deductions or other means. This is commonly known as the employer mandate.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Andrez
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 07:34 PM

Oh not this guy posting again. What did that famous Dalek say? Exterminate! Exterminate! and dont engage with this crap discussion either.

Cheers,

Andrez

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Elmore
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 07:43 PM

The damned government better keep its hands off my Medicare.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 07:45 PM

Stop calling it Obama care. It is THE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE ACT. The republicans made up that nasty title hoping to put some stink on it.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 07:53 PM

I would assume that if it works well, the term "Obamacare" wil express gratitude towards Obama, as the founder of a system that ordinary Americans will value.

If I were Obama I imagine I'd feel rather pleased to hear it called that.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 07:56 PM

"Is your monthly premium higher or lower than it used to be?

Is your deductible higher or lower than it used to be?

Is your level of coverage greater or less than it used to be?

Do you get to keep your old doctor(s)? "

All people are doing right now is **SIGNING UP**! It will take awhile for everyone in line to GET a plan....like a 1st run movie.
No one actually has coverage until Jan1... why not wait awhile before starting a 'survey'?

and....like Greg F said...

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 08:01 PM

What do you expect from the guy who thinks the AFC = genocide... he must be under the impression that health insurance is a life threatening situation.


if he took that worldwide test in the AP report, he'd drag the average score for US adults into negative numbers...lol

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 08:11 PM

Much of the American population are in dire need of a good dope slap!!

Starting with Songwronger!

Hating Obamacare, loving the Affordable Care Act
By David Horsey
6:00 a.m. EDT, October 8, 2013

Americans hate Obamacare but love the Affordable Care Act. That is the big story from one of America's more reliable sources of information, Jimmy Kimmel.

Mr. Kimmel, the comedian who hosts ABC's late night talk show, "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" posted a camera crew on a street in Hollywood and had them interview a random sample of Americans. The question put to these people was "Which do you support, Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act?"

Of those who ended up featured in an appallingly hilarious clip on Mr. Kimmel's show, not a single one knew that Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act are one and the same thing. All but one of the interviewees expressed dislike for Obamacare and gave a variety of reasons for hating it: It is socialist, it has holes in it, it forces everyone to buy into it, it is anti-American and -- I'm not making this up -- it will lead to gun prohibition. They like the Affordable Care Act, however, because it is, well, affordable.

Mr. Kimmel's stunt illustrates a problem at the core of the argument over health care and most other contentious issues in this country: Huge numbers of voters are simply ignorant. Either they simply do not pay attention to public affairs or they uncritically accept all the spin thrown at them by partisan politicians and pundits. This is what has given us the weird phenomenon of big majorities of Americans expressing support for the individual aspects of the Affordable Care Act, even as many of them insist they hate Obamacare.

Republicans, Fox News and radio talkmeisters like Rush Limbaugh have done an expert job demonizing the health care plan from the day it was brought before Congress in 2009. The Democrats got it passed into law, but they ran away from it in the 2010 election. In the process, they not only lost control of the House of Representatives, they lost control of the conversation.

So, here we are now with the government shut down because tea party Republicans are still trying to kill Obamacare, even as thousands of Americans are inundating government websites with queries about how to sign up for one of the health insurance exchanges that kicked into gear last week. The Affordable Care Act is fast becoming a popular and permanent reality in American life, but fantasies about the evils of Obamacare continue to cloud the minds of inattentive citizens from Hollywood to Hampton Roads.

One woman who vehemently condemned Obamacare while singing the praises of the Affordable Care Act was asked by Mr. Kimmel's merry pranksters if she thought an informed electorate is vital to a healthy democracy. The woman answered with a firm, "yes" -- making herself look like an idiot, not only to the television audience, but to the bigger audience who have seen the clip online.

However, that was the one answer she got right. An informed electorate is essential to our democracy. If there is any hope for spreading enlightenment, though, it rests with our comedians -- guys like Mr. Kimmel, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. They are almost the only truth tellers who may be able to grab the attention of the gullible, oblivious crowd.

For our republic, laughter is not only the best medicine; it seems to be the only antidote to spin.
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Two-time Pulitzer Prize winner David Horsey is a political commentator for the Los Angeles Times. Go to latimes.com/news/politics/topoftheticket/ to see more of his work.

Read more: CLICKY

Respectfully submitted,

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 08:27 PM

No wonder Firth's information is always laughable; he gets it from an actual comedian. Now if we could just outlaw hydrogen dioxide. It kills thousands every year.

So no one has gone to the Obamacare calculator page and done the math? No one has been notified of changes? Here's one who has:

ObamaCare Our premium goes from $110.00 to $812.69 per month

He mutters something about "no dental either," so this is an inferior plan to the one they have now.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: pdq
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 08:32 PM

The correct name of this act is The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) so calling it ObamaCare saves people about 30 characters in writing it.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 08:49 PM

Songwronger, that "comedian" you are so contemptuous of conducted interviews. And what he found turned out to be very much in the nature of gallows humor.

It was serious enough that it was written up by two-time Pulitzer Prize winner David Horsey, a political commentator for the Los Angeles Times.

Considerably more reliable and authoritative that the excrement you keep extruding onto this web site.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 09:27 PM

Listen, ya'll... I hate the Affordable care Act... But the only thing that I hate more is not trying something... That was and is the TeaPublican plan... Do nothing!!!

Obama went to the Republican caucus early and asked them for their help and ideas... They sat on their hands...

So the Dems, afraid that the Repubs would jump on them real hard if they proposed a sane program of single payer found themselves negotiating with themselves trying to get that last Senate vote and thus we ended up with...

...a Republican plan that privatizes payment thus adding 15% to health care right off the top...

This sucks... I hate it because it ain't going fix much and the wrtongman hates it because he hates black people, especially those who might end up in his Whites Only House...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 11:37 PM

Bobert says the Democrats gave us Obamacare so the Republicans wouldn't "jump on them real hard." And his needle's stuck on the black thing again. Obamadope is strong stuff.

But back to real life:

North Carolinians Shocked By The Size Of Insurance Premium Increases Caused By Obamacare

Oct. 7, 2013

Across North Carolina, thousands of people have been shocked in recent weeks to find out their health insurance plans will be canceled at the end of the year – and premiums for comparable coverage could increase sharply.

One of them is George Schwab of Charlotte, who pays $228 a month for his family's $10,000 deductible plan from Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina.

In a Sept. 23 letter, Blue Cross notified him that his current plan doesn't meet benefit requirements outlined in the Affordable Care Act and suggested a comparable plan for $1,208 a month – $980 more than he now pays.

"I'm 62 and retired," Schwab said. "This creates a tremendous financial burden for our family.

"The President told the American people numerous times that… 'If you like your coverage, you can keep it,'" Schwab said. "How can we keep it if it has been eliminated? How can we keep it if the premium has been increased 430 percent in one year?"

...Michael Hood, 46, who lives near Winston-Salem, is another of the Blue Cross customers who is suffering sticker shock after receiving a recent renewal letter.

He and his wife, who is expecting their third child, now pay $324 per month for a plan with a $10,000 family deductible. The comparable plan suggested by Blue Cross for next year would cost $895.27 per month with an $11,000 family deductible. Their annual payment would rise from $14,000 to $24,000....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/10/north-carolinians-shocked-by-the-size-of-insurance-premium-increases-caused-by-obamacare

A unipolar fascist government now controls Washington DC. Obama and the "opposition" have joined forces to give us the ruinous program mockingly named The Affordable Care Act. I've seen dozens of stories like the ones above, and I was just wondering if anyone here has had first-hand experience with Obamacare yet.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Oct 13 - 11:59 PM

I pity the GOP, and especially the TPers, in next year's election.

Even here in Deep Scarlet Country I hear that it's time to toss ALL of 'em out of Congress and to start over with people who would actually work for the people of the country.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 12:27 AM

Is that the Affordable Care Act? Or is that Blue Cross / Blue Shield?

For many years I had Blue Cross / Blue Shield at a fairly nominal premium, but it wasn't until I needed it that I got thoroughly screwed over. I had to raise sufficient hell with them and threaten legal action before they did right by me. I cancelled my policy with them and went with another insurance company.

Blue Cross / Blue Shield is ranked 243rd in the nation, according to the National Committee on Quality Assurance.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 12:40 AM

Another mindless and utterly predictable thread by the troll Songwronger.

I'm sure he can find horror stories - all from those red states where the governors won't extend Medicaid - they're the ones dropping these low-income folks into the hurt of expensive health care.

No context. As usual.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 01:04 AM

For Your Information:

From the
WASHINGTON STATE OFFICE OF THE INSURANCE COMMISSIONER
The Affordable Care Act –What it means for you

Individuals and families
• Children can't be denied health coverage if they're sick
• No out-of-pocket costs for preventive services
• No cap on lifetime benefits
• Young adults can stay on their parents' plan up to age 26
• Seniors' prescription drug "donut hole" closing
• No out-of-pocket costs for seniors' preventive Medicare services
• Expanded coverage for early retirees

Coming in 2014:
• Most people must have health insurance by 2014 or pay an annual fine of $95 or up to 1% of your income, whichever is greater
• No one can be denied health coverage if they're sick
• You can buy a health plan through Washington's Healthplanfinder
• All individual and small employer health plans will cover essential health benefits
• There's help if you can't afford coverage:
 Subsidies for individuals earning up to $45,960 and up to $94,200 for a family of four
 Medicaid expansion for childless adults who earn less than $15,856

Small employers (1-50 employees)
• Small businesses are not required to offer health insurance, but if they do, they could get a tax rebate:
 Up to 35% today
 Up to 50% in 2014

Large employers (more than 50 employees)
• Large employers will pay a penalty, starting in 2015, if they don't offer meaningful and affordable health insurance to their employees
• A plan is considered unaffordable if it costs more than 9.5% of the employee's household income or if it pays for less than 60% of covered health care expenses.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 06:28 AM

Hey, Wronger... all you did was show that Blue Cross sucks...

under the AFC, those families can shop around for a better deal and qualify for subsidies to help cover the cost if needed.

They now pay $3888 a year for what sounds like a hospital plan and one that doesn't meet the minimum standards for coverage at that. One of those "you play ball with us and we'll shove the bat up your arse" plans.

Could the AFC be better... of course! And you can thank the Republican Party for not doing their part to come up with a single payer system that treats everyone equally. Insurance companies are constantly playing one group against another and making sure that come out on top.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 08:28 AM

I pity the GOP, and especially the TPers, in next year's election.

No need. They'll come out of this fine; the idiot electorate will still love them and forget all about this within 4 months.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 08:40 AM

"unipolar fascist government...."

Well, just think, it could be worse--could be a bipolar fascist government.

Wonder just what the difference would be.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 08:52 AM

"unipolar fascist government...."
Well, just think, it could be worse--could be a bipolar fascist government.
Wonder just what the difference would be.

I guess it would like comparing Mussolini to Hitler... greedy SOB vs. nut job ... bad news either way.

The Tea Party & conservative right have taken way too much from the fascist playbook... the big lie, malicious propaganda, creating "enemies" to use as scapegoats... while they conduct criminal behavior and seek to destroy a free society.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 10:14 AM

My family opted out of Blue Cross years ago when their premiums increased as their coverage decreased. If N. Carolina has no options to change to a sane plan, that is not the fault of the Affordable Care Act. A few states (meaning: their right-wing officials) are dragging their feet about cooperating.... they will learn what the people think by Nov. of 2014.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 11:32 AM

Mussolini versus Hitler? Not a pleasant choice - but not a difficult one either. A bit like would you sooner lose an eye, or two eyes...

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 11:49 AM

It's both fascinating and disgusting to see one question manipulated into another political fight, but that's the sort of people we have here now.

As for the subject (please forgive me), there are different types of religious (private) schools. I know about Catholic and Muslim ones. Presumably, there are others.

Because there is no official state religion, and none may become official, there couldn't be any one religion taught. There are religions that are popular in certain areas, and I know the prayer-in-school issue has come up a lot and some places/schools defy the Constitution, but they're not kosher. Many people immigrated to the USA to get away from persecution from various religions.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 11:51 AM

Mussolini versus Hitler? Not a pleasant choice - but not a difficult one either. A bit like would you sooner lose an eye, or two eyes...


Actually, I would go with "None of the above" for my write in choice.
We already fought one world war and got rid of 2 out of 3... Stalin was no better and did more harm to millions of innocent victims than even Hitler's death camps. Truely sick SOBs.

The conservative right would have us turn into a dog eat dog nation - since they think their wealth will shield them. But they are in a fool's dream, because they are stuck on the same planet as the rest of us and it is getting smaller every day. The richest may be able to get by, but the rest of the fools are going to be holding one stinky bag at then end.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 11:59 AM

Jeri... are you sure you posted to the correct thread?

What has affordable health care have to do with religion taught or not taught in schools?

The only possile correlation between the two that I am aware of is how some religious organizations feel wronged by the requirement to provide comprehensive health care options to employees.

Which is another reason to push for single payer insurance... it's then nobody else's business what health option you chose.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 01:50 PM

The way I figure it, the bipolar fascist government would tell you one day that there were no laws;    the next day the Gestapo would arrest you for breaking laws you had been told didn't exist.

Then it seems SW would finally have something to whine about.

As it is, since as we know there is a $5 fine for whining, he should be just about bankrupt by now.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 02:02 PM

Songdickhead.......Our insurance is going up, but it goes up every year. My wife works for a Catholic hospital chain and they DID change the plan structure which will actually work out better for the young and healthy and the part-timer folks. And guess what? Over a certain salary you pay more! Plus there are no stipulations about birth control and abortions, just the same ones the law has in it.

Because of my health problems we have always opted for the higher tier and hence more expensive plan where we pay more in premiums and less out of pocket. The other new plans have different levels.   Next year, including dental and vision add-ons our plan will cost $540./month. This is less than 1% of Karen's gross pay.

Early in the year I was newly diagnosed with Myeloplastic Dysplasia Syndrome, basically a form of Leukemia which will always end badly at some point down the road. But there are chemo treatments which I started and they help me live better and longer (although they really suck during "chemo week"). Every four weeks the cost of Docs and treatments and blood tests is $13,385. For that month we pay $160.

You do the math. Now take you broke-dick jadrool self back under the rock and have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 02:07 PM

Amen, Spaw! What you said.

(Can you forward your message to the broke-dick jadrool TeaPublican assholes in Congress?)

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 03:58 PM

gee, Spaw... sorry to hear about your health issues... but good that your spirits are up.

the health system needs plenty of fine tuning, but as long as the conservatives hang on to their all or nothing - preferably nothing- attitude, it will be slow going.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 04:06 PM

BTW, that should be less than 10% not 1%......typo and failure to pruufreed.

I wish it were 1%!!!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 07:07 PM

Yeah a monthly salary of $54000 did sound a bit too impressive. Though of course there are some fat cats who'd see it as poverty...

Strewth, but I'm glad we've got "socialized medicine" here... I wonder what my premiums would be with my health history over the last few years?

Still the main thing is the treatment quality, so long as you can get it. And I see spaw's as good with the well timed invective as ever.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 07:45 PM

Blue Cross does come off rather badly in the stories right now. It looks as if they were the first major company to contact customers about rate increases related to Obamacare. To Blue Cross's credit though they were providing the man in the video with a good rate, until the "Affordable Care Act" made them increase (their words, if you listen to the man reading from the letter).

In the future people like catspaw just won't be allowed to live. Death panels and all that. There will always be doctors for the wealthy, but no insurance plan will cover endless outlays.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 07:54 PM

Yo, ShitWringer - shove your fairytale "death panels " up your ass.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 07:55 PM

Always remember, "only in America".   

The rest of the developed world looks on and pities you...

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 10:09 PM

Howard Dean admitted that death panels exist. He was head of the Democratic National Committee.

Obamacare sucks. Conservatives have said all along that it does, but liberals have defended it, for various reasons. I think my favorite is that if the American people are made to suffer under Obamacare, then eventually we'll accept an insurance system that's wholly run by the government. This from the "loving" liberals who criticize conservatives for being heartless. Millions will die under Obamacare, be imprisoned for non-payment, lose their homes, but it's all for the greater good, right?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 11:34 PM

Hey Wronger... millions are dying NOW! Some to age related illnesses, some to accidents and the rest to various diseases and health issues.

Did you have the impression that the AFC meant miracles and immortality? And that family you keep referring to is paying out close to 12 thousand dollars every 3 years and will still have a 10 thousand deductible if they ever need to make a claim. Plus continue with their premiums.

It's the system we've had so far that is killing people and driving families into bankruptcy... the 20 millions currently uninsured Americans... the working poor who have no employer health insurance, sick leave benefits or a pay check that covers all the bills. While insurance companies make handsome profits with little accountability.

as for death panels... that's what the insurance companies have been doing for decades... every time they refuse coverage to someone with a pre-existing condition or refuse to pay for treatments or preventive medicine.

It's the conservatives who are fighting to keep this rotten system going, instead of working to fix the problems. And fools like you that keep preaching their lies as if it were the gospel. You are the sucker, Wronger.   You've swallowed the con... hook, line & sinker.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 11:38 PM

From PolitiFact.com:

The health care law rations care and denies treatments.

This has been a favorite attack line by critics who suggest that a panel of bureaucrats are making life and death decisions. But the health care law rations care no more nor less than the current health care system does. For evidence, critics have pointed to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, something the law introduced as a means of controlling costs for the Medicare system. But the board's parameters are very narrow. It only applies to Medicare. It kicks in only when spending outpaces certain benchmarks. And it can only make system-wide recommendations to rein in future spending. Congress can overrule the board, and the law specifically states that the board may not "ration care" or increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries.

Death panels.

This falsehood, our 2009 Lie of the Year, started after an early draft of the bill sought to allow Medicare to pay for doctors' visits in which patients discussed end-of-life care, such as living wills. The critics labeled it suicide counseling. Conservative superstar Sarah Palin amped up the debate in August 2009 by declaring on her Facebook page, "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care." But there was never any panel like that in the bill. Recently, Palin has defended her comments, pointing to the Independent Payment Advisory Board as a death panel. Either way, the claim is ridiculously false and earned a Pants on Fire.

So for some unfathomable reason, Howard Dean joins Sarah Palin and Songwronger in running toward the horizon with their asses on fire!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 10:30 AM

Hopefully in the future people like Songdickwad will not be allowed to live. Ignorance and stupidity along with bigotry and vilent behavior will be reasons to cull off those poor souls (like Songdickwad) who cannot and will not see truth but only lies which they actively embrace.

Enjoy the Coke and the smile Dickwad......You never know when your time is at hand.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 02:19 PM

It occurs to me that if Obama and the "Fascist American government" is really as bad as he claims it is, and considering the fact that every time he comes to Mudcat, the IP address of his computer is logged in, it would not be at all difficult to track him down. His time may be shorter than he thinks it is.

So it things are really that bad, I'd say his ass is grass!!

Don Firth

["IP of his computer" yes-Texas
]

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 07:19 PM

So we may see if the NSA (Obama's answer to the Gestapo) is on the job. . . .

Don Firth

[Why does that not surprise me?]

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 09:48 PM

want Medicare extended to all.

Obama doesn't. The Republicans don't.

Obama got out and actively stumped for this ball of crap. It's just revised Romneycare and Hillarycare--giveaways to the insurance companies.

The most odious part of Obamacare is that it gives the I.R.S. oversight of your healthcare. The Internal Revenue Service. The thug collection arm of the federal government. Yes, people have lost everything due to medical crises in the past, but now, if you don't pay your premiums, the I.R.S. will send a SWAT team to deal with you.

Under Obamacare there will be higher premiums, feds kicking down your door if you don't pay, and death panels.

And Obama sold this to you. After he said he would expand Medicare. That's why I voted for him the first time, because of his Medicare promises. Now he is "signalling" Republicans that he's open to cutting Social Security and Medicare.

Not only does Obamacare need to be scrapped, Obama needs to be impeached.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 10:03 PM

The usual wagonload of dingo's kidneys.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 10:08 PM

All just complete crap lacking in any semblance of truth. What a total limpdick............


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 11:20 PM

Chicken Little Songwronger seems to be standing in a shower of acorns. He keeps running around in circles and shrieking, "I must post this on Mudcat!! I must post this on Mudcat!!"

And, of course, he blames everything on President Obama.

Warning:   racial hatred rots your brain, Schlongwronger.

The Straight Scoop.

There seems to be plenty of time to work things out amicably.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 13 - 11:27 AM

From what I've. Read it seems evident is that extending Medicare, and setting up a system where private insurance didn't have a stranglehold on medical provision would have been very much Obama's preferred solution, But American politics made it impossible, and you've got is the best he could push through in face of entrenched opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 11 Oct 13 - 06:27 PM

Obama didn't encounter opposition. He lied. He said he would give us a benevolent government healthcare system, then he adopted the worst of the Republican proposals. He lies on every single topic.

And now the culling of the elderly will begin:

Thousands of Medicare doctors fired

Neurosurgeon says Obamacare worst thing since slavery

Plus, the "liberal" media is gearing up to launch a campaign to sell Obama's DeathCare to America:

Will Obamacare become plot fodder for CBS' Hostages and Under The Dome? A $500,000 grant awarded this week to USC Annenberg Norman Lear Center's Hollywood Health & Society program certainly suggests it's a possibility. In the latest push to get Tinseltown to promote President Obama's Affordable Care Act, the decade-old program has received the money from the private California Endowment to give Hollywood producers, writers and execs details about the newly launched health insurance initiative. "Our experience has shown that the public gets just as much, if not more, information about current events and important issues from their favorite television shows and characters as they do from the news media and online resources," said Hollywood Health & Society's Martin Kaplan in a statement today. "This grant will allow us to ensure that industry practitioners have up-to-date, relevant facts on health care reform to integrate into their storylines and projects."

Obamacare Angles For Starring Role On Primetime TV

They're telling you that your entertainment will now be loaded with pro-Obamacare propaganda.

Sad state of affairs.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Oct 13 - 07:54 PM

Songwronger reminds me of the comment about "Nobody can clear an area faster than a trapeze artist with diarrhea!"

He cranks it out faster than it can be hosed off!

Don Firth