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BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?

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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 12:25 AM

Birth control is genocide!??

Have you informed Planned Parenthood of this, Songwronger?

By the way, the Affordable Car Act does not mandate birth control. It allows it.

Songwronger, you are really reaching for it!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 11:49 PM

Federal appeals courts issue conflicting rulings on Obamacare Los Angeles Times

The legal battle over President Obama's healthcare law ramped up again Tuesday, as two federal appeals courts handed down conflicting rulings on whether the government can continue to pay subsidies nationwide to millions of low- and middle-income people to help them with the cost of insurance.

The split decisions on a central element of the law increase the chances that the Supreme Court will take up another challenge to the Affordable Care Act as early as the coming year.

The legal battle gives Obamacare's opponents another shot at trying to kill the law in the high court, a goal they fell one vote short of in 2012. In that case, four justices voted to strike down the entire legislation as unconstitutional. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. joined the four liberal justices to uphold the core of the law.

White House says it's confident in legal basis for Affordable Care Act
The White House reiterated its support for the legality of the Affordable Care Act after an appeals court ruling that some say could derail the law's success.
This time, the outcome at the high court would turn on whether at least one of the five conservative justices agreed to uphold Congress' broad goal of providing all Americans with insurance they can afford.

Soon after the Affordable Care Act won final approval in 2010, conservative groups pointed out an anomaly in its wording. The problem involved a key section of the law, which called for creating insurance marketplaces, or "exchanges," where buyers could shop for coverage. People with low or middle incomes — up to $94,200 for a family of four — are offered tax credits to help pay for the insurance.

These exchanges were to be run by states. But if states refused the job, Congress authorized federal officials to "operate such exchange within the state" and carry out all the required duties. However, in another part of the law, Congress said tax credits would be offered for insurance purchased through an "exchange established by the state."

Conservative legal groups have argued ever since that the wording "exchange established by the state" does not include the federal exchange. That reading of the law would block insurance subsidies in two-thirds of the nation.

Currently only 14 states, including California, run their own exchanges. In 36 states, including Texas, Florida and Illinois, the exchange is run by the federal government. Some states that ran their own exchanges this year but had trouble have announced plans to use the federal exchange for the open enrollment season that begins in November.

About 5 million Americans bought subsidized policies through the federal exchange this year, often reducing their costs by hundreds of dollars a month, healthcare experts say.


Read the rest at the link above. If the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit takes it up the 3 judge panel decision is moot.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 11:34 PM

I really don't care to debate you. From what I've seen you'll do anything to squeeze a couple more years of life out of the system, even at the expense of ruining the young.

I might debate, though, if you'll first address the genocide aspect of what I posted.

Obamacare mandates birth control, but birth control is genocide. I've cited my sources. How do you reconcile your support of genocide with your moral code, if you have any?


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 11:05 PM

That sounds like something straight out of World Net Daily, an extreme Right Wing e-mail rag.

In what way is the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional? Specifics, please.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 10:59 PM

Obamacare insurance policies inflict birth control on Americans. This is genocide. From the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide:

"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext-printerfriendly.htm

The genocide couldn't be any more clear than that, but I still vote for a fair trial before execution.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 10:44 PM

Obamacare passed in congress, even though it was unconstitutional. If the federal government can force you to buy a type of insurance, then it can force you to buy plaid neckties. Obamacare was an alliance of convenience between the fascists who want big business to benefit from government action, and Marxists who want to wreck the American financial system in any way they can.

So Obamacare passed, Obama signed it, and then when it was challenged, a criminal Supreme Court said that yes, the government can force you to spend your money buying certain things. This was the same court that said blacks aren't human and George W. Bush would be appointed (not elected) to the presidency.

And now Washington will start saying that they're ALL SUCH FUCKUPS. We didn't see this wording glitch in the Obamacare law coming. Sorry, but your insurance polices are null and void.

Obamacare is calculated genocide, given to us by a federal government that's been bought by anti-human banking interests. The goals of the program are to:

* Destroy the American financial system,

* Bankrupt you personally so that you are totally dependent on government, and then,

* Kill you off with lack of medical attention.

Obama and all who enabled him in this atrocity need to be arrested, fairly tried for genocide and then executed.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 10:36 AM

They're all in it together...the rest is just theater!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 03:47 AM

it is the Congress, not the President, that controls the purse strings... and we have a Congress that spends its time - while being very well paid- sitting on their asses and refusing to allocate funds to improve conditions. They would rather see American's suffer than do anything that might be seen as a "victory" for the other side... hey! guess what, the other side is US!!! as in the USA.

we are currently the disUnited States of America.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:25 PM

True...this problem existed before Obama took office..shit, he even campaigned on fixing it!!...but it's only gotten worse, and now with criminal negligence, in needless waiting lists and destroying their files...sorta like ,"If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it, period!"
....or, "I only heard it first time on the news, just like everybody else did"....or, it "..was a YouTube video, that started a demonstration?"..or remember those 'shovel ready jobs'??...etc. etc. etc. etc....

Actually govt. healthcare would be great...I've even benefited from it....but NOT like this new shit!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 06:43 PM

and why should medical service be limited to just a few hospitals? I don't know of single new VA hospital constructed in my state in he past 40 years... but I do know that Republican administrations have cut heir budgets & laid off staff over he years. While involving us in how many new wars with how many new veterans that will need care. You'd think they could do he math...

I would have made more sense years ago to provide vets with health insurance that covers the kind of treatments they need. If there's a market, it will be filled with providers... and have military hospitals for active service men & women that specializes in war injuries along with basic services.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guesr from Sanity
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:56 PM

Well, you could all try the V.A....but now they are thinking of giving out vouchers, to private doctors and hospitals, by choice of the vet.... maybe someone ought to 'snap now, and avoid the rush!'
With Obamacare, you can't afford to see a doctor, and with the V.A., the doctors are making more money, by not seeing you!!....and then they shred the records, that you were waiting to see them....don't you just love government healthcare.....betcha the insurance companies and big pharma have healthy bank accounts!!.....ooops, I forgot, Obama is for 'the little guy'....

Hey, would anybody like to buy investment stocks in bottled hot dog water???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 09:03 AM

I just got my e newsletter from the California University system which includes a number of broadcast & videos on the AFC and numerous other topics.

I once watched two professors give a hurdy gurdy concert... neat!


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 09:42 AM

anecdotal information is always uncertain if no background is provided.

a better question would be... who has actually signed up for the AFC insurance and what has been their experience... or first/second hand info if a relative or personal friend has done so.

I joined state service in order to get decent health insurance and a secure pension... met too many folks who worked 30 years for a companies that went under & took their pension programs with them. Of course, the CEOs made out OK.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,anectodes aren't evidence
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 09:19 PM

Nice story.
Proving what?


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 02:18 AM

About a year ago i spent a month in a hospital with an operation and my copay was $zero and zero deductable.. I guess $400 is an improvement.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 06:56 PM

Sawzaw, I just spent ten days in a hospital and three weeks in a nursing home. Cost, in the tens of thousands of dollars.

My co-pay? About $400.

No sweat.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 06:47 PM

Whither the obamacare suporters? Looks like they are so embarassed (their ass is showing) that all they can do is scream racism as per the rules for radicals hand book. Hehe, you got what you asked for. Enjoy!


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 07:40 AM

UK Independent on Sunday article Your views may, naturally, differ.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 05:07 PM

Don't you just think it's stupid when people call names that just don't apply(unless it's in humor)??....that happens ALL the time on here.....just to promote a silly notion, dreamt up by some 'so-called-liberal' elitist, to bullshit the gullible 'wannabe do-gooders'!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 12:03 AM

Racist!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 11:47 PM

And there you have the absolutely perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Resume your squabbling.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 11:26 PM

Greg, Telling Songwronger to 'Bullshit, get a life', calling him 'Shit Wringer', and 'fool', is not presenting another side to the discussion...the ONLY point you are making, is that you have no point, other than spitting out nasty, immature names.
Makes you look rather shallow, with nothing to say. Maybe IF you have a perspective, you should put it out there.
Just a cheery suggestion!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 11:12 PM

A pithy response, as uthual.

5 Disasters Yet To Come With Obamacare

1) Skyrocketing Insurance Prices: You think your insurance is expensive now? Well, just wait, because Obamacare is going to send the cost of medical care shooting into the sky like a rocket out of a trampoline factory. How could it be otherwise? People are now forced to buy more insurance than they need. Are you a 60 year old woman? Sorry, but Barack Obama still thinks you need maternity care and that costs more money.

2) Insurance Company Bailouts: While Democrats were telling the Occupy Wall Street crowd to support Obamacare in order to stick it to the insurance companies, Obama was actually giving those same companies the sweetheart deal of a lifetime behind the scenes. In return for supporting Obamacare, they got to charge more, Obama promised to use the IRS to force more Americans to sign up for their services, and best of all, he promised them a bailout if something goes wrong.

3) The Employer Mandate: There's a reason Barack Obama delayed the employer mandate and will probably delay it again next year. Depending on the estimates you believe, somewhere between 25-80 million Americans are going to lose the health insurance they have through their employer once it goes into effect.

4) Doctor Shortages: According to a survey done by the Doctor Patient Medical Association, 83% of doctors, "have considered leaving their practices over President Barack Obama's health care reform law."

5) Death Panels: Liberals have moved from claiming that death panels don't exist to admitting that they're built into the law and saying that they're a good thing. As Time Magazine's senior political analyst Mark Halperin admitted, "It's built into the plan. It's not like a guess or like a judgment. That's going to be part of how costs are controlled."

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/01/14/5-disasters-yet-to-come-with-obamacare-n1778605/page/full


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:56 AM

Bullshit. Get a life, fool.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 10:47 PM

Most states insist you buy auto insurance to drive, and it makes sense to protect a loan with house insurance, but Obamacare forces you to buy a product just to breathe. You can choose not to drive or buy a house.

The federal government does not have the right to force citizens to buy products. It's unconstitutional. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Being forced to buy insurance is a violation of liberty.

But I must admit that Obamacare is working wonderfully. The old are shifting the cost for their health care onto the backs of the young, which means the young will be fucked for life trying to pay off that debt. And then there's the big insurance company bailout that's looming. Humana's bailout request and the shape of things to come. The bailout, of course, will be passed on to taxpayers, so that's another right good fucking for the middle class as the corporations get even fatter off of tax money.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 09:00 AM

Obamacare forces you to purchase a product (insurance) from a private provider (insurance company).

Just like you have to purchase a product (insurance) from a private provider (insurance company) in order to drive a car, get a home mortgage, & etc. etc. etc.

Get a life, ShitWringer.

Being as there is a penalty for not filing, any contract signed under duress, is not a binding contract

Yes, by all means DO ask & the lawyer will tell you itsirrelevant in this instance.

Fool.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 02:46 AM

From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 02:36 PM

Q, Goofball hasn't registered, so neither of us can PM the orher. But trying to converse with him at all is a complete waste of my time. He's got a grudge against me, and that's why he stalks me and talks trash. Hard for me to say anything but what he shows up and starts bad-mouthing me.

By the way, I may not be around for a few days. I'm using a borrowed computer now because mine is having problems. Getting a new one in a few days.

Don Firth

Well, now it's April 2, and I just saw this post.......sounds like real 'stalking', huh?
Don is a whiner who makes up shit....enough said?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Apr 14 - 02:38 AM

Just for what it's worth.....ask ANY lawyer....Being as there is a penalty for not filing, any contract signed under duress, is not a binding contract......true story......

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 11:28 PM

I think it will all work out for most people most of the time in the end..there will be huge glitches and people will fall through the cracks but in the end more people will have access to medical care...this should make most taxpayers really glad because it should minimize family tragedies that require helping out relatives when you want to but really can't afford it. I have a sister really struggling right now and she is now on it and has not had a good plan for some time. it is a relief to me because i dont have money to spare right now if she should need much medical care.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 01 Apr 14 - 07:18 PM

As of today, in America, if you're not covered by health insurance, then you are commiting a crime.

Obamacare forces you to purchase a product (insurance) from a private provider (insurance company). And if you don't do it, then you are guilty.

Happy April Fools Day, America.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 12:20 AM

Official: Nevada health exchange seeing 'frustrated consumers and low enrollment

By Sandra Chereb, Associated Press Feb. 13, 2014

CARSON CITY — Meeting lower enrollment targets for Nevada's online health insurance exchange will still be challenging as the system continues to grapple with website and call center issues, a state official said Thursday.

"It has been a difficult month," Jon Hager, executive director of the exchange, said in a report to the Silver State Health Insurance Exchange board. "We have had website problems, long wait times at the call center, frustrated partners, frustrated consumers and low enrollment."

Hager outlined immediate goals that reflect issues that have plagued the system from the start: Fix the website and fix the call center.

An initial target of 118,000 enrollments by March 31 — the last day to sign up and avoid penalties under the federal health care reform law — was substantially reduced to less than half. Now, the exchange is hoping to get 50,000 sign-ups by the deadline, a goal Hager conceded is "still a challenge."

As of last week, roughly 24,000 people had selected plans through the exchange, called Nevada Health Link. Of those, 16,000 had actually paid the monthly premium.

Given those statistics, the exchange will have to sign up as many people in the next six weeks as it did since Oct. 1 when the web portal went live.

Xerox, the contractor that designed Nevada's system, has come under fire for computer glitches and woefully underestimating staff needed at a call center to assist consumers by phone.

Hager said the company in December tripled the number of developers working the project and last month added management and business analyst resources, resulting in faster corrections when problems arise.

Additionally, as of last week, call center staff has increased to 183, with another 66 undergoing training. The center also has expanded its operating hours to 6 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. weekdays and 8 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. weekends.

Wait times have been trimmed to less than 30 minutes in most cases, he said, a big improvement from more than an hour in January.

Hager said hiring another contractor could not be accomplished until October 2015.

Others noted that an initiative petition has been filed to eliminate the Nevada system. That would have to be approved by voters in 2014 and 2016.

Board Chairwoman Barbara Campbell said she would rather keep the business in Nevada instead of turning it over to the federal government.

Board member Marie Kerr of Reno called the system "kind of a mess" but added it "would be a tragedy for the federal government to take over."

While sign-ups for private insurance have been slow, the number of people signing up for Medicaid has surged.

Three times as many people seeking health coverage through the exchange have signed up for government-backed Medicaid or another insurance program for low-income children than purchased private coverage — 69,000 vs. 23,000. Those numbers don't include people who signed up Medicaid through the state Division of Welfare and Supportive Services.

In January, Nevada's Medicaid caseload grew by 36,000 to 377,363, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. Since the start of the year, more than 50,000 Medicaid applications have been referred through Nevada Health Link alone.

As of Wednesday, the agency had a backlog of 57,000 applications awaiting process.   

The executive director of the Silver State Health Insurance Exchange is resigning.

Jon Hager, who came under fire in a Feb. 13 exchange board meeting for cutting March 31 enrollment goals from 118,000 to 50,000, left the agency Thursday afternoon.

    Board members told Hager in their meeting that it was time to put together a "disaster recovery plan" to help fix technical problems that have plagued the exchange's Nevada Health Link website since it launched on Oct. 1.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 07:20 PM

For you folks who think calling it the "Affordable" Care Act will mitigate the crime:

This inspirational, disabled family lost its health coverage, and it's Obamacare's fault

The Daverts are just one of the thousands of American families who lost healthcare coverage after Obamacare forced their insurance company to cancel their plan.

But the Daverts aren't like any other American family. Twin children Austin and Michaela have brittle bone disease, as does their mother, Melissa. Their father, Ken, has cerebral palsy. Though their handicaps–and medical expenses–are significant, life together is not just manageable, but happy, in their Bay City, Michigan home.

Things have become much more difficult, however, since recently implemented provisions of the Affordable Care Act cause their insurer to drop the children from their health plan. And even after spending hours and hours navigating the labrynthine HealthCare.gov and demanding answers from confused call center bureaucrats, Melissa Davert's children remain uninsured, despite their constant medical needs.

And she knows exactly who is to blame.

"We did not put ourselves in this situation," she told The Daily Caller. "The government put us in this situation."

Melissa and Ken are covered under Medicare. Medicare, however, has never included their children, who are covered by a separate plan.

Under that plan, which was well suited to the family's needs, the children's combined health-care costs could not exceed $2,500 per year.

Nevertheless, they received a letter in the mail informing them that the plan had to be canceled. The letter named the Affordable Care Act as the culprit, as first reported by the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.

This was a surprise to Melissa, who recalled President Obama telling Americans that, 'If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.'

"We thought we could keep our insurance but I guess that was not the case," she said.

Melissa immediately went to the exchange to find a new plan. To her disappointment, the best plan she could find was four times more expensive than the old one. It would obligate the family to pay up to $5,100 per year for each child. Taken together, that's an almost $8,000 increase over the old plan.

Unlike some other families, out of pockets costs matter a great deal to the Daverts, who have frequent medical needs–some regular, some unanticipated. Melissa said money was tight enough for them when they knew their medical costs couldn't exceed $2,500. Paying up $10,200 each year seemed unthinkable.

Brittle bone disease impedes natural skeletal growth, and people afflicted with it are more likely to break bones and develop infections. A recent accident sent Michaela to the hospital for surgery, for example....

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/14/this-inspirational-disabled-family-lost-its-health-coverage-and-its-obamacares-fault/#!


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 02:36 PM

Q, Goofball hasn't registered, so neither of us can PM the orher. But trying to converse with him at all is a complete waste of my time. He's got a grudge against me, and that's why he stalks me and talks trash. Hard for me to say anything but what he shows up and starts bad-mouthing me.

By the way, I may not be around for a few days. I'm using a borrowed computer now because mine is having problems. Getting a new one in a few days.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 07:29 PM

Just trying to get re-elected....

Democrats playing politics again....they both do it...

..maybe they should have READ it the first time!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:45 PM

Shit??....I'm Not the one spreading illogical agenda driven drivel on here.
Obamacare is a farce foisted on the public, promising several things, and delivering NONE, except deception...and THAT is PROVABLE!

As I've Said before, any of those phony 'representatives' who voted for it, without even reading it, should be thrown out of office for fraud!. They were elected to represent the PEOPLE...and instead, they've used their office to force people to pay their cronies and get nothing in return!..and those who promote such practices are fucking criminal morons!

You use the PM!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:19 PM

Gfs, F; Why burden mudcatters with all this shit? Use the PM or shut up.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 07:56 PM

Whereas I agree that there is no 'liberal logic', you employ it all the time!

Here, try this: Explain how Obamacare is a step in the 'right direction', when it is a law to do business with the very companies that fucked it up in the first place.

As soon as that doesn't make any sense, but you search for a rationale, you've taken your first step...and you're not a 'short distance runner'. You spend copious amounts of time trying to make fact out of whims.

OK...Ready?...Start explaining!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 07:40 PM

Goofball, you are like a worm-sized version of Ouroboros, the legendary giant serpent who spends eternity eating himself, starting with his own ass.

There is no "Liberal logic" or "Conservative Logic." There is LOGIC. It's like mathematics. A system of thinking, There are what might be called "schools of thought," which some people regard as "logic," but that betrays a lack of understanding of the nature of logic.

You have obviously never taken a philosophy course in college. That is, if you even went to college.

High school?

Grade school?

Nursery school?

Oh! Abandoned in the woods by your parents and raised by gerbils. I see.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 07:13 PM

Firth: "Oh, by the way, Goofball--There is no such thing as "Liberal logic" or "Conservative logic."
There is only LOGIC.
I'm not really surprised that you don't understand this."

Oh, I understand it quite well....'liberal' logic makes no sense whatsoever...like creating laws based on fiction....or the Obama-care-Affordable part...it's all bullshit...but you seemed to make sense of it...hence, 'liberal logic'!!

"I'm not really surprised that you don't understand this."

Matter of fact, I still think you haven't sorted out the difference between 'Progressive' from 'Regressive'....otherwise you wouldn't have said Obamacare was a step TOWARDS 'Progressive'....when it compels people to patronize the reason for needing 'reform'......(regressive)....

Illogical.
Look it up..then apply the definition.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:14 PM

Oh, by the way, Goofball--There is no such thing as "Liberal logic" or "Conservative logic."

There is only LOGIC.

Logic is the mathematics of thinking. Aristotle made this abundantly clear some 2,300 years ago. Logic is the framework of clear thinking.   

I'm not really surprised that you don't understand this.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 10:14 PM

Oh?..Then you explain it!
I know about 'pool'.....do you know about corporate profits?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 02:58 PM

Goofball displays his ignorance every time he opens his yap. He hasn't the foggiest notion of how the ACA works, he just starts shooting from the lip.

Ho hum. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 04:27 AM

Why was healthcare needing a reform, because insurance companies ran the cost up....and now they are even higher??...and where is that money going???...Oh yeah, those guys, who 'we' HAD to fix it from!

Liberal logic...but it WORKS!!!..THEY TOLD US SO!!

Good grief!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 04:18 AM

Oh, I bet you say that to all your friends....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 01:30 AM

You seem to have an obsession with anal orifices, Goofball. Now, I wonder why that might be?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 12:37 AM

Are you referring to the head up your ass?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 12:12 AM

That's "Mister Weasel" to you!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 11:26 PM

No, I use it as a verb too...Fuck off, weasel!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 11:13 PM

Goofball, is the only adjective you know "fucking?" Ye gods, it's "fuck" this, "fuck" that, and "fuck" the other thing.

Well, whatever your sexual orientation may be. . . ?   

And "Are you so intoxicated with your need for notice that you are ignoring your friend's advice??.....and plainly being more stupid than you'll admit????"

Jaysus, Mary, and Joseph!! Look who's talking!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 10:55 PM

Firth: "And George Soros is one of the Good Guys. Yes, he's a Liberal/Progressive. He's a billionaire who has donated many....."

Firth: "The Koch brothers are a whole different breed of skunk."

Firth: "Warren Buffet has pointed out that if multi-billionaires, like him, would give half their wealth to charitable causes, they could end poverty in this country and still have enough wealth to continue to live lavishly themselves. And Bill and Melinda Gates are of the same mind.".....(except Billy is for decreasing the population with 'vaccines'...but that's another story..)


Now Brain-bound, Remember your good conscript Geek?..Apply what he REPEATEDLY posted to 'the sides'.......and guess who's funding them....

What do both have in common?


Sciencegeek: "It must hark back to the Big Lie propaganda tactics:
never allow the public to cool off;
never admit a fault or wrong;
never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
never leave room for alternatives;
never accept blame;
concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong;
people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one;
and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

They're even neighbors!

I don't believe ANY of their bullshit, as far as it being 'one side or the other'...what part of 'M-A-N-I-P-U-L-A-T-I-O-N' Do you NOT understand???

Fuck what they say..(I'm sure certain con men are just captivated by it)..WATCH what they DO!!!! THERE IS NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE....and through them the people are being burned. Fuck, they are not getting any more attention than they deserve...and the best thing would be to call it what it is, and walk away! Maybe if the people weren't so whooped up thinking that they 'have to do something' or 'get something', the hook for the manipulation might just lose support, and in it's place should the demand go out to get the fucking corruption out!

There, you even have the living example right in front of you...with the aid of your buddy....just remember, I DID tell you back then, that is a two way street....but in disagreeing you will claim number two on the list:....."...never admit a fault or wrong;
never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
never leave room for alternatives;
never accept blame;"

Are you so intoxicated with your need for notice that you are ignoring your friend's advice??.....and plainly being more stupid than you'll admit????

Check it out.

GfS


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